Can the Titleist TS3 Driver keep up with Cobra F9?

[@bobbydwyer7718]

I literally cracked my 910D2 about 4 hours ago in a lesson after 10 years use... I am one of those loyal Titleist fans.... every cloud has a silver lining though, I'm looking forward to testing the TS2 & TS3 now! So a timely video...

[@5wisher5weet]

Bobby Dwyer I wouldn’t feel guilty buying a new driver if I cracked my driver face

[@slice2scratchgolf302]

“A little toey but I’d be happy with that” as the ball carries 313yrds into the middle of the green 😂

[@greenteam4573]

Got fitted and picked up Cobra F9 Driver 9 degree with Fuji ATMOS Black TS 7x and absolutely love it! Thanks to you guys for providing me good information on the Cobra, been a Titleist Driver guy for all my life, would not have considered Cobra without your insight…thank you

[@costby]

You guys are amazing and show value everyday you come out on KZbin.

[@wesleyburgess31]

The Mizuno is the one i got my best results from. First time ever sniffing 300 yards(total) and i actually got it out to 312 twice! I really liked the TS3 also and love the look and sound of it.

[@MikesaBhoy]

Looking forward to this. Would you guys ever consider a head to head of new 2019 OEM (like flash) vs older model (like epic) but customized. I’d be curious to see if customizing makes an older club better than a new one. My suspicious is yes it would. Would be interesting.

[@PapiGearHead]

I just bought this driver and saw great results during my fitting with Titleist. I had a concern whether newer drivers need a harder look but glad to see its still in the mix in 2020

[@jamesquan8727]

Guys, Thank you for the review, really excited to have this face off as I was fitted for both. I am still an avid titliest fan, moved to ping G due to price/ performance. Now I'm loving cobra due to the gains . Ping G was the most forgiving at the time but the F9 hasn't made me reload yet!! As for looks ? I have the white version and it's a thing of beauty. Great review , feeling better that I can get that 2 extra yards and at £150 quid/ bucks cheaper. with the saving I bought ts2 5 wood ! Win win. Brand loyalty? Not me so long as I can keep gaming Japanese irons I'm happy. Bombs away Matt ! Great work guys, as always!

[@snwman862]

Honestly probably one of the best golf videos I have ever watched

[@cjaneway4]

Just did a fit and it came down to these two. Numbers were extremely similar but I seemed to have better feel with F9 and dispersion came in slightly tighter than TS3. Performance was great with both in either Diamana DF or Accra TZ6 M5. Accra had better feel... like nothing I've ever swung. Super excited to get it in.

[@xRelyT1]

Got the ts3 after just buying random drivers on eBay, the difference in accuracy is insane, and I hit it longer with the extra confidence!

[@MikeDoba]

Somewhere in some dark corner Mr.Crossfield is fist pumping

[@station2station544]

Or crying...as his club got beat.

[@travissherriff3368]

Well, since he wanted a high toe strike, got it, and the thing only dropped a mph or so but no loss in distance, I think his claim has been debunked as far as how it performs for Matt.

[@taimaster612]

@@station2station544 Titliest has never claimed to be a long hitting club like Taylormade or Cobra. They're more for accuracy and control. If you watch his video he even says that after he hits the ts2 and ts3. He also loves the new M5 and M6 drivers but because he is sponsored by Titliest, he plays with those clubs. When he tested the M5 and M6 driver, he drove himself when using his Titliest driver.

[@station2station544]

@@taimaster612 I play the TS3 w/ Tensei Orange CK Pro 60s. My comment was more on Crossfield's fragile psyche.

[@nickmillar3975]

Tai Master crossfield hates tm

[@CarolinaGolfer2]

Love it guys..Great stuff. Loved the consistency of that flight Matt!

[@golfraven5669]

Thanks for this test. Indeed the TS3 is the best sounding driver and for me it is very relevant. With all the new 2019 drivers you may think Titleist is put in the corner but it keeps it well up with the big boys. I love my TS3 and will stick with it for a long time.

[@michaelwilliamson3737]

Another great video. I think the key thing to take away for viewers is that a correctly fit driver will 100% perform as good as anything that comes out. And like mentioned, due to swing changes over time people will see improvements by upgrading to what fits them currently, if it's been 18+ months since the last fit.

[@austinlauer1910]

Great guys! Just shows how similar performance is between the major club manufacturers and that it is important to get fit. You also showed how there isn't really any major improvements year to year but incremental.

[@ThunderMk2]

1 mph in ball speed equates to up to 2 yards, all being equal. The Ts3 is class!

[@razor7241]

Matt, I was looking at a video from last year and your swing has REALLY improved!

[@clubchampionmedia]

thanks Dave!

[@frankd1682]

Comparing apples to apples, it looks like the F9 edges out the competition for both distance and dispersion, which if distances are only incrementally different, then dispersion is the most important consideration, IMHO. Great job gentlemen!

[@fergusreeverealestate.7409]

I went and tried the F9 driver again this week. I really wanted it to be my driver and match my 3 wood (I love the cobra 3wood.) Unfortunately the f9 just can’t match my g400max numbers for consistency of distance and dispersion. The f9 did have the longest hits- but also the most wild ones as well. The occasional extra gains were not worth it for me. So now I’m going to pull the trigger and buy the g400 max. Going to try a few shafts again with my fitter, but last time it looked like a hazardous yellow 6.0 was working best for me, after we tried a few different options. Thank you for the advice you guys give- really helps to educate so that players can understand more and then have an informed 2 way discussion with fitters- not just taking the first thing they give you and not questioning or double checking. Really do appreciate it.

[@mikebest634]

Very nice test guys , I find watching Matts testing of heads and shafts to be very good as he is with out doubt the most consistent I have seen .Your detail to fitting with shafts is second to none .Could we see a bit more of Ts2 up against some other drivers Cheers .

[@mikecook8059]

Nice job! Love these type tests. Looking forward for the next one!!!

[@nv00021]

Brilliant Boys..... I have both drivers and I find I hit the TS3 longer but I have more control over the F9.... both are incredible and as always love the content!

[@paultaylor67]

Such a good video... Loved the comparison to the Cobra... Keep doing these types of videos!

[@TheBradleyp63]

Matt is killing it today. The best I've seen him swing.

[@ToddRichmond]

I had a fitting at Club Champion this week and we did the "blind test" with shafts on my irons. The fitter didn't tell me and I didn't look - just hit. The data ended up telling a very clear story, and ended up going from DG120 S300 and 1 degree up to i95 regular flex 1 degree flat. Was repeatable average differences of about 17 yards and every other stat improved. Part of that is working with a teacher on my swing over the past couple months, but the initial fitting I wasn't as educated on the details (thanks, TXG!) and was more biased on what I thought the right answer would be. Yay, science!

[@clubchampionmedia]

Good to hear!

[@ToddRichmond]

@@clubchampionmedia I heavily credit you guys. My initial fitting (coming back after a couple decade layoff) was a mystery to me. The one this week I was able to ask informed questions and work with the fitter instead of just accepting "an answer." Knowledge is power and you guys are giving us a firehose to drink from - in a good way. Keep up the great work.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Thanks Todd! Happy we could help.

[@johnanderson6614]

First time fitted today. Got a TS3 with Fujikira 2.0 shaft. Got over 12 yards more distance off my 917 d2. Mostly due to swing speed , launch and spin. Also narrowed disbursement.

[@damianplante4580]

Love the video's would love to fly up their and be fitted by Ian

[@murph6253]

Same here, gonna have to dust off the old passport

[@ianstyring9602]

Great video as always guys. Brilliant stuff.

[@jergernice1]

I’ve had both. Currently gaming f9. Ts3 better spin numbers simulator. Outdoors spin numbers fine. Thin shots better with cobrA toe shots better with ts3. Still evaluating f9 but love look and feel.

[@michaelwilliamson3737]

I think for the average club golfer that launch monitor numbers are chased rather than trying to get some on course testing done. You definitely need to play some holes with a club before buying.

[@jergernice1]

ive tested the cobra extensively. ive decided the forward weight position reduces spin but not nearly enough to justify the loss of forgiveness especially if your miss is torward the heal or toe. this club is fantastic on low strikes.

[@byee3742]

Another great video guys! Cant wait for the Flash and Srixon video.

[@Golphins]

Would love to see some different shaft comparisons with a driver and see how much the shafts that claim to be low/high spin actually differ. Rogue silver vs. black for example would be awesome! Thanks for helping the community with how un-biased you gentleman are in all these videos.

[@peal333]

I play Titleist woods because how they look, feel and sound. Without a doubt, the TS drivers are a huge improvement over the previous generations, well worth the upgrade!

[@josephdubiel7129]

This is another great review guys. Very nice job. I favor the TS3 myself although I play the Ping G 400 Max which I love.

[@taylormilton3]

Great review good information for the people out there that say the Titleist and the Cobra.... just cant compete with the big boys. Keep the great reviews coming.

[@Andy_4470]

I love these vids fellas, they're just superb

[@oldgold5848]

Interesting the difference in carry with the higher launch and lower spin........ I still think the cobra is the daddy!

[@parnopsiripornpak428]

Fantastic video guys. Very enjoyable watching Matt hitting it. 180 ball speed seems to be the new standard? XD

[@davidwilson1952]

great comparison vid gents, keep it going.

[@dougmael]

I'm using the new Cobra F9 Speedback driver (9* loft with a Matrix DEUS Tour B counterbalanced shaft at 45" long and a 6g weight in the forward position plus the 14g weight in back). It's an absolute monster, and the longest and straightest driver that I have hit in several years!

[@razor7241]

I’ve had a TS3 for 5 or 6 months and got fitted for a Veylik shaft and love it. I have no desire to test another driver as the TS3 is long and more importantly, the Straightest driver I’ve ever owned!

[@cprince7749]

To be fair, I am a Titleist fan but it's hard to imagine a driver being better than the Cobra for Matt. I went through a fitting in January and hit the TS3 a few miles per hour faster, clubhead and ball speed and the dispersion was significantly better with the Titleist for me. Good stuff!

[@Ader03A]

Stoked about this test!

[@maxcaysey2844]

I'm looking very much forward to see your review of the TS4.. Please do a comparison with that too! :)

[@jeffdutton138]

Keep up the great content! You guys are great!

[@barrysmith7291]

Another brilliant fitting guys , first class👍

[@stephendibari7704]

Great comparison! Would have like to seen Mizuno ST-190 in the mix too

[@BillyTheKidAudit]

Great update test guys!. I'm thinking you guys need to get out of the studio and do a full course vlog for us supporters, we can all pretend it's for "content " and that your round would not be for personal enjoyment. #TXG #POWERFUL

[@dylancoo5133]

Great job guys! 50K subscriber contest video coming soon!!??

[@mikegravelle8038]

Good Stuff, As Always !

[@jeromeo12]

What steroid brand is Matt using now? Asking for a friend.

[@5wisher5weet]

jeromeo12 titleist should make Matty a driver and call it TRT

[@davidmaxfieldgolf]

3mph may not be much but it clearly made quite a significant difference in distance. The cobra added almost 20 yards

[@TenPester]

The sadness in knowing that i've been trying (Scotland) to find a fitter that can come close to this service in the home of golf, knowing i'm probably not going to get what i'm hoping for after watching these videos.

[@dabaumga]

Ian, you guys are the best! MASH IT today, Matty!!

[@steinfonell4915]

Brilliant stuff!

[@anthonyz2989]

Hey guys, love the content, keep up the great work. I am curious, why is Matt's efficiency so low? Shouldn't a perfect strike on a new driver approach 1.5 smash factor? I swing slightly slower than he does, usually 117-120 clubhead, and I sneak up on 1.5 SF on solid strikes. Is it just how the GCQuad is reading the clubhead speed/ball speed?

[@LJ-ig5sl]

Good on Cobra for introducing a lower price point driver that's as good, if not better then Titleist. Seeing as we only ever see price increases from the bigger industry players will hopefully put them on notice. Especially when considering all of this equipment is manufactured overseas for probably $40-$60 dollars a head, and the gains you receive in distance are barely measurable over the last 5-6 years.

[@chrisfreitag2603]

Excellent video. So in March, will we have TXG’s March driver madness? Take the 8 best fitted drivers based on your initial testing. Rank them 1 to 8 or blind draw and have them face off, 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, etc. Let us know what the criteria for a win is and have them face off. How far will Matt hit them, before or after McDonald’s.

[@thomascairns4216]

How much of a fitting can be done on the srixon z585 driver? and the mizuno st190? thanks

[@kenk4764]

I wish you would have added a few hits with the Mizuno ST190, in look and feel, I think its closer to the Titleist footprint.

[@bluelizard7995]

75k been around since I think 6k. Way to go boys!,

[@davelewis6191]

Curious how forgiving do you find the Cobra F9? When distance and speed all seem close, what is the most forgiving?

[@frankd1682]

If you look at the last chart on the Vlog comparing the the F9 and TS3, it looks like Matt's dispersion and distance was best with the F9. But Matt's a machine so not sure what us mortals would do...

[@chrisgilligan4968]

"Not my best hit....a little high toe" - ~15 yards left of centre line 362.

[@Grassy721]

Hi txg! Big fan of the channel. I'd like to ask you a question about my fitted set. I got fitted a couple weeks ago in Korea to Titleist 718mb x100, M3 hybrid tour ad ut 95x, M3 3hl tour ad GT 8x, and M3 driver kurakage xt70. Im hitting all of the great EXCEPT my hybrid. I can not seem to hit it at all everything missing right with inconsistent strike and low spin. To me it feels like the shaft is too stiff and not enough head weight? I don't know much about shaft characteristics so i would really value your opinion on the shaft combination I am using.

[@ramellis65]

txg tour how accurate are these monitors especially the ones they have a golf galaxy. i just got the Cobra F9 and dont slice it at all. i am just curious on how accurate they are with spin?

[@robderka]

Have you guys tested the effect of using loft sleeves to add or remove loft on performance? I was wondering if I lost any performance putting my 9.5 deg M4 up to 10.5 deg. I'd think the CG would be lower and I'd get more spin and forgiveness. However, I'd get a bit less distance in that config compared to a standard 10.5 deg driver.

[@joeyheyne3255]

With speeds being similar and Matt's performance with both drivers being more than acceptable, get the F9 and put the extra $50 you saved towards the shaft!

[@bradleypeyton6500]

Hi Ian, still loving the content. Curious about something to do with shaft weight. I've been fit into Atmos Black Tour Spec 75 shaft with F9 at 10.5° (I swing at 112mph with neutral AOA). In the F9 hybrid I'm in the stiff shaft but the shaft weight is basically the same. Is this an issue? I was flushing it when I tested. Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@jeremystanger]

I'm glad you guys are doing this. It's obvious that Matt is swinging it on a whole new level compared to when he initially tested the TS3.

[@Sean-tn5nv]

Yeah did I miss the video where he picked up speed?!?!

[@wesi782]

@@Sean-tn5nv in some vid he said he is training with super speed sticks (I think Ian doing it too) and taking lesson with Larry Cheung

[@stevewhytegolf]

Just put the F9 in play two weeks ago but cant seem to find the setting that makes it carry 330!!!! Send me some of your speed please Matt!!

[@ramellis65]

Also where did you get the custom weights i am looking to go a little heavier in the heel.

[@huntercollins739]

Guys, great stuff. When are we going to see an M5 and M6 test?

[@hawkey100]

Curious on why Matt only hit the F9 3 times vs the Titleist being hit about 10 times at least. Seems to me that if you're going to do one driver against another, you'd give each one an equal amount of hits. The previous F9 review Matty had a ball speed in the 184 range which is far cry from the 178 today and his yardage wit the F9 was obscene . Today's ball speed was almost the same at 178ish but 10 yards more in yardage for the F9 , hmmmm. In my mind, the F9 is clearly the winner here. Anyway, love the videos, keep'em coming

[@zanderxxxcage]

Great video again guys but what would happen with a heavier weight in the TS3 cartilage 🤔🤔

[@timchow3121]

Great review. I was wondering, with all the hype about the new pxg woods, can you, do a review on the gen2 drivers and fairway woods?

[@stevedaly6826]

We LOVE the cobra price in comparison 😍

[@SvingitGolf]

How much weight in the toe? I'm looking for less closing of the face with my TS3. I got fitted for 2 extra gram in the toe and C1 setting in a 9.5 head.

[@clubchampionmedia]

4 grams

[@SvingitGolf]

@@clubchampionmedia Would it make any difference between 2 and 4 grams? Thinking on getting a 4 gram to try to keep the head open for little longer.

[@nicomol4882]

Great video guy's. Both these clubs seem to perform great when hit well! I was wondering though, if the strike isn't as perfect as Matt's, how do ball speeds from these drivers then compare. I am normally more worried about my bad strikes ( which sad enough still occur regurlarly) then the good ones. How do these clubs handle those and is there anyway for you to compare that? Do they have "weak spots" that kill the speed or trajectory? For example; Do not hit a F9 low toe, or ts3 is a great club except when you tend to hit it high. something like that. Which driver performes best after a lousy strike! keep up te good work!

[@LCL03]

At 7:53 after the first adjustment, that can’t be set at B4, right? 8.75*

[@therealnivel458]

Great video guys. Curious how would you fit someone who is very inconsistent. 120 mph swing speed. Slices 220 yards. Pull hooks. All over the face. Good drives 300+ but very rare. Obviously a swing change is needed but how would you fit this person.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Every player produces patterns over the course of a fitting that an experienced fitter can assess and use to recommend the right equipment - tons of people think they're too inconsistent to be fit but we would strongly recommend going through the process, at the very least you'll learn a lot about your swing

[@mangoman2148]

I volunteer myself for this. 117 swing speed, 200 yard wide dispersion and guaranteed to strike every single part of the face over the course of a fitting. Can Ian tame the beast? Entertaining viewing for those at home.

[@cjwenger]

Hi guys, just coming back to these great F9 videos again after getting mine. In this video Ian turned the loft on the TS3 down to 8.75 degrees and then tested against the F9 in 9 degrees. Was the F9 the 9 degree head or the 10.5 degree head turned down 1.5 degrees??? I would assume with the flight characteristics and the fact that the heavyweight was in the toe for TS3 that the similar maneuver for F9 was to open the face, can you confirm? Love your vids!

[@hosoiarchives4858]

Lol I'm still playing a 12 year old Wishon driver and it is amazing

[@nickohrstrom9478]

Any thoughts on making the audio into Podcasts? Sure it isn't ideal not to see the visuals but it would sure help those of us that are always on the road traveling and still would like to keep up with your work. Keep up the great work, thanks for the consideration.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Podcast has definitely been talked about, not sure when but it's on our radar

[@bwillfly1]

How often should someone get fit? Once a year?

[@TheVirusOfHumanity]

Best driver shaft for most carry on a 105-110 mph swing?

[@wardn53]

You should fit these driver with the same guy who hit the Tour Edge. Would like to see how they all stand up. Also I thought you were going to talk about the grind on wedges?

[@tonykart15]

Will Puring the shaft will that make it even better??? I’ve noticed that you guys don’t test fit drivers with pured shafts....

[@shaunross3602]

First.. love the content.. question: isn’t a same shaft comparison doing a fitted f9 an injustice? Matt was blasting the Fujikura Pro 2.0 chosen and weighted specifically for the F9 head/shaft combo.... “The Beast” was a different set up. Doesn’t fully fit and optimized beat out same shaft comparisons that might not be ideal for one head set up to the next?

[@jergernice1]

Wouldn’t the swing weight be higher in the cobra with the new weight? Vs ts3?

[@banditbaker1675]

I am bringing forward my afternoon nap so that I don't miss this one. My money is on the F9 by a short head!

[@samoliver3031]

A big thing was made about the cobra being priced at £349 and the TS3 at £449. So apparently a lot more bang for your buck with the Cobra. Would the shafts required get the price points to a more similar level? Or are you consistently getting more value out of the cobra. Same for the srixon too

[@MattPisching]

My prediction: when fit optimally, they are going to be very close. (And if I happen to be wrong, I'm scheduling a fitting soon to replace my TS3!)

[@jasonpentico1016]

Matt Pisching h

[@Sean-tn5nv]

Could you guys get a 10 year old head same CC to compare with a new driver same loft and shaft. My driver is around 10years I think but I do wonder if a new head would give more ball speed - I know a fit would defo help but on a pure ball speed same loft/shaft/CC would be interesting. Thanks guys!

[@geedubb-q1u]

Titleist fans love the drivers because they look normal when standing over them. No crazy shapes or colors.

[@gatsslegacy9380]

Is he using a strong grip? Thanks

[@phiily7golf]

Ian if the top 10 guys in the world don’t have you fit them. I would ask of them “ You mad bro ? “

[@jonathancane8631]

The mid 180s ball speed came with a different shaft in the cobra didn’t it, so was the cobra really optimised?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Different shaft in the prior test, but more importantly about 3mph faster swing on that particular 184mph ball speed shot as well. The retest was to show how the two heads would perform on the exact same day with the same shaft on the ball speed metric.

[@golf007sd2]

I was fitted for the TS3 driver and 3-wood (same shaft on both: Fujikura Pro XLR8 61S [TSG])...so far I love the results. About 2.5 weeks ago I tried the F9 at my local driving range. The range pro placed a shaft that closely resembled mine. I felt the F9 head and shaft combo was a bit heavier; thus my timing and contact were not up to par. Clearly, having a proper fitting would have helped. Looking forward to this test.

[@joshuaprok4354]

That was shaft, I believe the Cobra head is significantly lighter than most

[@golf007sd2]

@@joshuaprok4354 Could be....not sure what the two driver base weight would be naked; hence no insert on the TS3 and no weight on the F9.

[@EvalHellBF3]

There’s got to be a point in the near future when manufacturers just can’t improve on the numbers because of the regulations, do you guys think this will be sooner rather than later? Great video again 👍🏻

[@bwillfly1]

Guys, after the adjustment on the TS3, the graphics read that Matt was playing 8.75* of loft at B4 setting. B4 increases the loft by 1.5* and flattens the club. How did the launch come down with with this setting, which increases loft?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Left handed settings are different than right hand settings on Titleist settings. B4 in LH is .75º down in loft and flatter

[@bwillfly1]

TXG Tour Experience Golf ahhh.. got it!