Can this EV convince a petrolhead? Cupra Born hot hatch EV driving REVIEW 58 vs 77 kWh

[@autogefuehl]

►Follow us on Instagram @autogefuehl and @thomas.letsgo ►Subscribe here: kzbin.info ►Compare our extensive VW ID3 review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/paGXeYJsfK12brM ►Compare the Opel Corsa-e: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnOxqKpqhKl3kJY 00:00 VW ID3’s evil twin! 00:55 Length, wheels and suspension details 02:17 Rear design 02:58 Frunk? 03:10 Battery and power choices 03:45 Fast charging update 03:59 Key fob and doors 05:11 Interior with microfibre 05:25 Sports seats 05:48 User interface 08:13 Head-up-Display (HUD) with augmented reality 08:23 Touchscreen 12” 09:25 Energy consumption and range 10:13 Storage space 11:02 Rear seats 12:22 Trunk / boot 13:09 Color and power comparison 14:02 Agile driving Cupra Born 58 16:30 Sound? 17:00 Normal suspension 17:53 RWD effect 18:37 Comparison Cupra Born 77 with e-Boost and DCC #Cupra #CupraBorn Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.

[@sktaylor99]

This is the first video I've seen with AJ. Excellent presentation and a great review. It seems to improve on the ID3 in every way it can. Let's just hope they sort that infotainment system out.

[@autogefuehl]

Highly appreciated!

[@wusibeaumontmahoney1278]

AJ you are a great presenter - always enjoy your work. Keep it up.

[@autogefuehl]

Highly appreciated!

[@huckfinn5654]

Nice work AJ! So pleased you were able to do a back to back between the 58 & 77 kWh versions, as that answers the questions I had. Given the need to spend my own cash, and assuming I had enough of it (!), the Born 77 might well be a Tesla M3RWD beater, or at least an equal opponent? I think it's true to say the cost of insurance would be substantially less for the Born than for the Tesla. I'm looking forward to a Born GTX, I already know VW have been working on an ID.3 GTX for a while, so that's likely to be announced before the SEAT. But, VAG do really need to sort out that haptic steering wheel and the slightly laggy screen as part of the upgrade.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

With the big battery you can drive nearly 30 % faster for the same range. 😉

[@alexop3225]

Doesn't work that way. Power requirements increase exponentially with speed because of the atmosphere through which you travel.

[@OrlandoMGarcia]

@@alexop3225 that speech was smoth AF

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@alexop3225 Latest results from Teslabjorn range tests: Cupra Born 58 at 90 km/h 3 ⁰C: 334 km ID.3 77 kWh at 120 km/h and 5 ⁰C: 325 km 🤷

[@bosman8644]

The only 2 windows switches is briljant! Every time when i want to open the front windows i open the rear windows in the e-Golf because without looking u first find the lowest switches and these are the rear windows switches!

[@AHarker100]

That microphone is the size of a country!

[@wintersun398]

or at the very least, the size of a large house 😂

[@dasautogt]

Thanks AJ. I likewise think it looks better than the ID.3 however.... I'd still opt for the Skoda Enyaq was it, Thomas put out yesterday. 👍

[@sharkflower123]

This is the car I want! I just can't buy it when it cannot tow and don't have real buttons on the steering wheel, Matrix LEDs, ambient lighting in the dashboard and V2G....

[@reintrandininskia]

I don't really get this Cupra model. Cupra was supposed to be SEAT's high performance brand and all we got is this new ID.3 skin. This model should have stayed within SEAT's lineup like it was meant to be originally.

[@andrewchron]

If it was Seat , it should be cheaper than id3. They cant make it cheaper right now , so they brand it Cupra with higher standard equipment so that they can justify selling it around 40000 euros.

[@hanswurst6742]

I think you guys should keep mentioning that while it's cold outside, the car will have even less range. So 1.: As always the company lies about realistic range. It has been like that since forever and i don't understand how this is not beeing regulated. 2. They exaggerate range even more with e-cars. If you use any of the "tech", your range will drop significantly. 3. And in the cold it's even less. I worst case scenarios you can expect 50% of the range they claim the car will do. This needs to be adressed frequently, so people are able to make informed decisions

[@abraxastulammo9940]

They are very honest in providing a range calculator on the website.

[@hanswurst6742]

@@abraxastulammo9940 What are you on about. They say the car has 420km range and in fact it does not.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@hanswurst6742 420 km are no problem, remember ID3 already went 531 km as demonstrated by Mr Egolf.

[@JustDriving4K]

Good job, thanks for sharing it, greetings from Just Driving 4K!!

[@davidperry3531]

Very good review but as a hot hatch it is going to struggle against the traditional petrol hatches mainly due to lack of a decent sound. Looks good though and with petrol prices going through the roof, there will be a lot if interest in this car. BTW, Garmisch is beautiful.

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers David!

[@ruxod9002]

Just ordered a BMW i3s

[@SwissOliver]

Thx a lot AJ. I would really know if the real range 58 vs 77 batterie is such a difference in real life

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers! Yes that will be very notable

[@Diogo-tu3yk]

Regarding the window switches, not sure they save any money with this solution but it looks definetely better and more futuristic :)

[@effervescence5664]

I much prefer this to the ID.3, it's still a shame you can't have the big battery and glass roof due to weight. Touch and screen controls should be banned, citing the Telsa crash in Germany due to trying to alter wiper speed and now with UK and other governments legislating against them I feel like they will become a huge issue much faster than people expect. The only other thing I dislike - drum brakes, anyone old enough to remember what hot hatches were like with drum brakes under spirited driving remembers that after awhile they no longer brake as the drums distort from heat. Arguably the regen braking should help solve that issue but if you were to track day the car I fully expect to be buying new drums at the end of the day.

[@garrycroft4215]

Yes he was given BS about not needing disc rear brakes. My i3s is 500Kg lighter has full one pedal driving but still has discs all round.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Anyone remembers the burning front brake of ID3 with a reviewer from Netherlands? 😜

[@garrycroft4215]

I would go for the model you didn’t have, that is the 58kw but with the e-boost, it’s quicker still. However despite the BS they told you about the drum rear breaks it is to save money which brings me to my other grip, why has it not got real one pedal driving?

[@johnblund700]

How is the regen braking? Is it only hard in cupra mode or the same in normal mode? I want hard regen like the Mini Cooper electric.

[@elias-frihet]

What's that rattling sound that can be heard now and then?

[@giorgos346]

why the fck would i take the boost mode when it only gives me 20 hp more and for only 30 sec??

[@fuhrerhosty]

Answer to the video title is definitely no LMAO. If an EV can convince a petrolhead to switch it's positively not going to be an ID3 with different styling that's going to make anyone switch to EVs.

[@toffetamboer]

I drive a Model S and I am used to the silence. Very glad there is no artificial sound as a forced substitute for engine sound. Okay, I can imagine some will miss engine sound if they are used to a V8 or boxer engine. But most people drive a small, boring four or three cilinder. Who cares about that sound anyway ;-)

[@TwujStary5000]

37K is a reasonable price?? for a small electric car?? that's a pure nonsense. average Joe wont be able to afford a new electric car so no chance EV's will replace petrol cars any time soon.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Deduct 9570 EUR in Germany this year.

[@dwade3202]

37k for a car with shit range. Meanwhile diesels still go 1000km with decent power

[@lethuliv5500]

@@dwade3202 do you often drive 1000km?

[@dwade3202]

@@lethuliv5500 love when people ask that. No I dont, but I do go 100km and I need to fill up my car once every 10 days, where with EVs in the winter I would need to do it daily while waiting like a moron for 40 mins if someone isnt already on it and not to mention degradation of range.

[@lethuliv5500]

​@@dwade3202 Well it is an valid point. I have both an ICE and an EV and while I can go a long way on a full tank my regular travels are about 10km one way. 4-5 times a year I go 300-400 km in one go. You could easily do 100km with the EV and then fill it up during the night. I think most EV owners charge their car at home during the night. I have never charged my EV on a charging station on daily usage (Have not used the EV for one of the 400km travels yet, will probably try it this summer).

[@davidkinsella]

Can anyone comment on the seats support? One channel said they're very soft and didn't hold you in like the Leon seats. I have sport seats in my Golf and they're very firm on the sides and are great.

[@alexgrazie93]

Any car that is surpass 10-12k euro is too expensive for normal people.

[@Keoponloeu]

So why don’t people just drive Dacia sanderos, Volkswagen ups, and cheap Chinese cars. The answer is, not everyone buys their cars all out. A lot of them just lease or finance their cars because it is the best way to buy a new car. Idiot……

[@funkyfin3023]

Needs the twin motor to be a Cupra. Too many of the poor id3 cost saving features for me to want to buy.

[@yes8032]

As a petrolhead it’s a nice car but still wouldn’t get one of these

[@thomastcrapper4100]

Good stuff. My ears though caught something clattering in the cabin during your driving part. Sorry. It's just so irritating. To me.

[@EVChris]

I prefer the cupra born to the ID family because it has a better cabin quality and a real big front armrest, still don’t like the touch capacity buttons and that you can’t get a towing hook and no matrix lights 👎

[@stepan.poluianov]

I'm likely a minority, but I do like the design of ID3 more than one of Cupra.

[@tomquimby8669]

I just thought it was a Thomas that had a car body crease fetish but no it turns it's a channel fetish, The single simple crease running through the door handles, the highlights on the C pillar, What a waste of effort. luckily viewers can skip the frivolity and get to the driving. waiting for the born 4wd

[@DariuszTech]

Nice looking EV i have to say. However I'll stick to my family estate MG 5 EV 😁👍☺️

[@ahoyskid]

Too slow for me to make the jump. I’d prefer to see somewhere in the neighbourhood of 280hp. Dual motor ofc.

[@Mindseas]

I really like what you do on this channel, your reviews are very well put together and informative, without much fluff. But I'm a little confused why this are you putting out a third review of this car, without really any new information? Don't get me wrong, it's a great car and it's nice to see more Born on here, but maybe another angle than the "typical" review would've made for more interesting watching. 5 Months ago you gave us: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6OnhqZ5ppalsLs And 9 months ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoSxhZWrhbBge6M

[@jovada]

These MEB cars are getting boring now. No, we know there's no frunk, yes, we know the battery sizes, etc... Kudos to Autogefühl off course, but VW is milking the same platform too much.

[@zilboubmalyzayatsky5466]

Where is the performance in this video ?

[@m4ini]

Out of interest, what kind of "feedback" are you expecting from the accelerator pedal? To be clear here, an accelerator pedal doesn't give feedback. Ever. There's nothing that could make an accelerator pedal give feedback, in any car. I also disagree that "engine vibrations" are a sign of sportiness, or would detract from the experience if they're missing. A V12 Ferrari doesn't vibrate, not sure about you but for me personally, that's still plenty sporty. I agree that sound is desperately missing, the EQS and Taycan handle that part considerably better. That doesn't mean we need to make up metrics ("accelerator pedal feedback"), or overstate them ("no vibration = not engaging").

[@hanswurst6742]

37000€ for this is not reasonable. This is basically a polo. Polos used to be below 20k new not too long ago. And they didn't have that much plastic. Since seat is arguably a cheaper company than VW, then how is double the price just cause it is electric "reasonable". These are the comments than make me think, this channel will not be too critical of most car companies, because the fear beeing blacklisted. Which makes this review not objective at all

[@autogefuehl]

Why are you so offensive this time? We are not afraid to speak up, we ve shown that time and time again. Pricewise, Cupra/Seat has a win margin of a couple of hundred Euros per car. Not saying that’s cheap, but that the price is competitive in the market.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@fxkraft1037 He does not know about car size cathegories, Polo is one below.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@fxkraft1037 MEB is a new platform though.

[@davidkinsella]

In Ireland, a top trim DSG Golf 1.5 is around €37,000 while the Born is €38,000. For lower spec cars an EV is a lot more money but comparing cars with higher spec, higher performance the price is very close. €1,000 is a small price to pay to get into an EV.

[@hanswurst6742]

@@abraxastulammo9940 Polo is not one below. The cupra born is basically a seat ibiza electified, which is a polo. And if you check trunk size and interior space. It is by all accounts a polo.

[@WarningHPB]

That infotainment system needs to go in the bin, will not be buying any of the VW group cars with it.

[@francisco9999]

I agree. I can not understand how such a concept, with so many flaws, went to series

[@stockey]

European Car of the Year 2022: Kia EV6

[@stockey]

EV6 or Ioniq 5 all the way.

[@garrycroft4215]

Different type of car here in the UK a hot-hatch is not an SUV

[@trevorsomers8344]

The electric Abarth has sound

[@ElectroMusicLab]

😉

[@clipsonplextorfield3230]

the need to save money @4.31 are you making a joke have you loked at the price its almost 50K fir the 77kwh version...... 50k for a car with a 385 trunk........ Car makers are realy trying to milk us. Hope chinees models com soon and crush them

[@alexop3225]

Not another ID3. Didn't know Seat was part of the Volkswagen Group... now another brand on the AVOID list.

[@minniesaab7255]

⚡🔝⚡🔝⚡🚘

[@zilboubmalyzayatsky5466]

Lol a Motorola car-zero performance -zero,tech - tesla stay ahead easy lol

[@artureff3046]

nEVer

[@MostCedric]

No EV can convince petroheads.

[@johnblund700]

No sound? That is what I want in an EV. Who wants his EV to sound like s fossil? maybe old farts that cannot stand the thought of a silent drive?

[@scottdc6971]

This is a review from a very negative presenter. Seems like he would be better suited to ice reviews. The range is terrible - let’s go nailing it round steep country roads! The car is too quiet, it needs sound - what? fake ice noises?! The designers had a blank canvas - no they don’t, they have to accommodate people like this presenter that wants an electric car with the same metrics as ice. Please bring back Thomas, he’s excellent and very unbiased in his reviews.

[@autogefuehl]

AJs review was great, he Presented it in a very balanced way

[@systemfails]

Vavv

[@hanswurst6742]

"we understand they need to safe money". Do we really? God forbid a company doesn't have 5% growth each year for forever. Imagine how insane this is, that worth just keep growing and growing and growing... Corporate greed knows no bounds. So why should the common man "understand THEY need to safe money"!?

[@dwade3202]

Save money while prices increase, makes sense

[@autogefuehl]

That’s how the car business works. Note that it’s nothing we appreciate

[@hanswurst6742]

@@autogefuehl I work as an engineer in the testing department at a big german supplier of the automotive industry. I know my company is as guilty as all of them, if not more. Still nobody should endorse or even normalize that behaviour. People need to be outspoken and critical about this. Because it's not that companies in the car industry don't make enough money. They make more than enough money. But thats not enough, is it?! They need to make all the money! In german we would say "Die Raffgeier kriegen den Hals nicht voll genug".

[@cy9nvs]

Cupra is hands down the most unnecessary brand out there. Supposed to be a sports brand but they only build FWD based cars based on VW, you can get a formentor with 150 hp, and this is just a standard id.3 with a short boost function to a super "sporty" 230 hp.. It's a joke.

[@goncalotr]

It sells and it isn't killing any previous reputation since it's a new brand

[@trevorsomers8344]

The V2 58kw eboost is the fastest

[@zilboubmalyzayatsky5466]

Lol really a bad car

[@norbertmachaj6127]

Thomas, where are you? This man is ok, but not good enough.

[@autogefuehl]

Check our channel and how many videos were launched the past days and u ll know where i am / was 😄

[@worldolivier]

Stupid car for me