Can this PC still game after 10 years?

[@ShibaMiori]

1:20 damn, the cex jokes always gets me.

[@mt6739fan]

Ha

[@johanbuis1369]

Honestly the script writing deserves a shout out 😂 the bits are pretty damn underrated on this channel

[@SB-pf5rc]

this is exactly what i was gonna say! iceberg scriptwriting keeps me coming back, but this one was exceptionally fun.

[@RedPillAlways]

Do you think they sell Cex Dolls like Gamestop does

[@bernardjazz6344]

Still using my i5-4570 rig, I originally paired it with a 750ti & 8GB RAM and eventually upgraded to a GTX 970 & 16GB RAM. The CPU is a little beast all things considered but 4 cores really holds it back with modern titles, capping games to 30fps works but it's definitely time for an upgrade now.

[@Orcawhale1]

Gamers just have a tendency to base everything on the most demanding games, thereby thinking that all games require 8 cores and a RTX 3090. When in reality, they don't. I saw this constantly back when i used to work in retail. And why people keep saying "1080Ti is amazing, it's lasted for 6 years, so far". No, you just failed to properly analyze your own needs.

[@darthwiizius]

You could get whole heap more performance out of that 970 with a new platform. If you want ultra budget a 10100/105 can be had for 60 quid new with a new PCB and RAM putting you in at new retail for as little as about £160. I'd still go AM4 though personally because you can go from ultra budget to high end on more or less any AM4 PCB. The only question will be whether you need PCIe4 or not, as B550s come down on the now dying socket that could be worth a look.

[@JJ.IceFish]

My 4790k/GTX 980 rig lasted me almost 10 years. I think it’s time for an upgrade because you are right, 4 cores really is a limiting factor, I went from those specs to a 12400F and 6800XT, a world class difference

[@PatalJunior]

@@Orcawhale1 Yup, I might only need a celeron if I'm only playing solitaire and social media stuff.

[@Orcawhale1]

@@JJ.IceFish Cores and threads are treated the same by games. So it's not the cores, it's the archiecture and instruction set. A modern quad core will be miles ahead of a 8 core FX 8150 or 6 core 5820k.

[@ejohn180]

You almost had my exact first personal build in early 2014! I was 14 at the time and learned loads since then. G3258 (oc to 4.5GHz on stock cooler), That same gpu Sapphire R7 260x 2GB OC, Gigabyte B85 D3H motherboard, 2x4GB GSkill Ripjaws 1866MHz ram, 1TB WD Blue HDD, and a corsair cx450w bronze psu. Nearly 10 years later and I now have a career in a local shop building and repairing computers. What was just a nerdy obsession allowed me to get my own place. Feels like I don’t have to work a day in my life!

[@dadgamer6717]

Love this format of showing games by age. My first pc was an i5 3470 SFF 2nd hand office pc and the legendary 750ti!

[@joekoch8485]

Great work Good Sir!

[@ms-dosmanfred249]

I love the quality of your videos!

[@Bushidounohana]

Nice reflection on older hardware here. While I recently built a new rig, my old 2013 small form factor machine held up surprisingly well and was still chugging along. As you note, and as others have commented, the beauty of PC gaming is the individual component upgradability. What was originally a 3770, 16 GB, 660TI, 500 GB HD for me remained fairly relevant simply with an SSD and GTX 1060 upgrade several years ago. As you also note, though, time and gaming devs march onwards. While the machine remains a banger for basically a decade-plus worth of gaming at 1080p, I had to have a new machine to enjoy proper 4K gaming.

[@murdergorilla4087]

I ran a i5-4670k overclocked to 4.6ghz on a gigabyte sniper z87 and gtx 770 sc with 16gb of ram and an 840 evo ssd until last year. It ran most things I played well enough but then replaced the gpu with an reddevil 6750xt for a little bit then built a whole new am5 build.

[@daytimerocker3808]

I put together a 4690k gtx 970 for a friend dirt cheap. Runs warzone pretty well so cant complain

[@bimbim1885]

I just really like how you're pretty on-point for your video's use-case scenarios about an average people that wants to tinker with their "old" rig. I especially like your Tales of GPU/CPU archives that shows some things are still acceptable without being a perfectionist enthusiast

[@arthurwintersight7868]

I have an AMD FX 8350 Black Edition (released in late 2012) which features 8 CPU cores at 4 gigahertz each, 16 gigabytes of DDR3, and my biggest issues have been the graphics card and a ten year old AIO. I just replaced the AIO with an air cooler, the graphics card was replaced a month ago, and I'm about to install a 1 terabyte SSD with a fresh windows install. The funny thing is, it's not even my main computer anymore - I recently built an AM5 machine - but I want this older one to become a living room PC, and a backup machine for "just in case" something happens to my other computer.

[@telegummis]

oh my gosh, this video is very different from the other you've made, you are much braver with your talking. I love it

[@ultraviolet2497]

12:30 I really liked that transition, really good stuff!

[@thekangaroo1880]

I am riding with the backround music while you're explaining the specs 🔥

[@eldibs]

I don't remember when I bought it, but I ran an AMD FX-8320 all the way into 2020, and the only upgrades I gave it were an extra 16GB of RAM and a GTX 960 in 2015 so I could play The Witcher 3. It still lives a happy life as my niece's PC for Minecraft and Roblox, though I did add in a cheap SSD to boot from.

[@armedready1]

I'm still using an Fx8320 now.

[@eldibs]

@@armedready1 And there's nothing wrong with that. It still functions just fine.

[@armedready1]

@Eldibs I do want to upgrade at some point in the future just never got around to it.

[@DaWolfetrax]

To think I had a similarly specced PC that I got for bday back in late 2013 with i5 4440, Gigabyte B85-HD3, Gigabyte Windforce R7 260X and 8GB of DDR3 1600MHz Kingston HyperX Fury and a 1TB HDD - which I still have in my current build and works phenomenally to this day is quite nostalgic. Then one of my first major upgrades, apart from a budget Fractal Design case and a 250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD, was swapping the GPU for a GTX 1070 back in 2016. Great times in PC gaming for me, wish I could go back in time and relive it once more...

[@KeyToTime]

So true. I bought my first pc (with my own money) back in 2014 with money from a service job while I was still living with my parents. I still had it pretty much intact up until a few months ago! 4790k and a GTX 980 though so it lasted pretty well. Feel like I had way more money then than now!

[@andystech101]

A Friday budget build what could be better 😎

[@mihalick42]

6:15 is literally me with 2600k and 960(4Gb)

[@kasperschmidt5665]

I had that exact R7 260X gpu model, I remember it running at 99 degrees Celsius, then changes the thermal paste to Thermal Grizzly Cryonaut and that reduced it to 92 degrees Celsius... it ran pretty good at the time.

[@rainbowbunchie8237]

Dude... That's not normal lol

[@brym4467]

@@rainbowbunchie8237 thats just how AMD is. u usually undervolt them.

[@rainbowbunchie8237]

@@brym4467 It's not, I had a 260x. 55c under load. My R9 280 under load overclocked never breaks 75. My HD 5850, 6850, 6870, RX 6600, etc are all the same way. My RX 6600 is sucking back 178 watts board total now, and sits at mid 60's under load.

[@brym4467]

@@rainbowbunchie8237 my rx580 ran at 90 all day but after a undervolt 75 degrees. both my hd6870 ran at 90 until they all artifacted after a year or 2. the only cool amd i ever owned was a hd5770 LOL

[@rainbowbunchie8237]

@@brym4467 That's really weird. Low quality thermal paste maybe? I've never had an AMD card run hot, though I skipped out on the 290X Most of mine have been Powercolor however, and those have pretty beefy coolers on them. And as to the paste theory, I repasted my RX 6600 and shed 10 degrees at idle, 25 under load. Though I got it back up by allowed the GPU die alone to pull 150 watts.

[@MultiHunterOne]

This one hits particularly close to home as I used to have a build with an i5-4670k which I overclocked to 4.2 GHz (I think) on a very similar MSI Z97 Gaming 3 motherboard (gorgeous all black boards red highlights and with a lot of internal conectors, these were amazing back then, wish you could get something similar nowadays), a GTX970 and an array of 4 seagate HDDs connected in RAID 0 to make up for SSDs being so expensive back then. I'm still teary eyed when I look back at it, especially that I had to sell it to afford a gaming laptop which I would take with me as I was moving out to study. Now I built myself something which beats the shit out of that build but it's still good to see that those components really did stand the test of time quite well.

[@edricsantiago9490]

CEX, it makes me giggle every single time 😅 Kudos for this video sir. I am also using a setup around the 2013-2016 era. An i7 4790k + Z97N-WIFI + 16Gb ddr3 2400 trident rams + Asus 1060 Strix on an prehistoric SATA HDD! I can still play games at 2023 @1080p but I need the power of FSR just to get 60FPS on AAA releases.

[@drakata27]

Enjoyed the video, cheers mate

[@telsan4291]

I recently purchased a Alienware x51-R3 with a i7-6700 16GB RAM, 500GB SSD for £250 on ebay- I managed to squeeze in a RX6600 GPU (using x2 6 pin to 8 pin adapter) even though processor is 8 years old, it’s freaking awesome and play all games at high/ultra at 1080/1440p which is good enough for me. Reason for this purchase was as I wanted a SFF console sized gaming PC to fit in the living room and it delivered. Maybe Icetech can venture into the ITX SFF & low power territory next 😬 Great video btw, those CEX jokes always make me chuckle 😆

[@matthiasrauert8397]

I can tell u that a midrange system can hold almost ten years. From mid 2012 until spring 2021 i used the same system mb was an asrock extreme z6 with an intel i5 3570k and gtx 670 ti from windforce and what i belief was one of the first generations of ssd 125 gb by western tech. and a 1 tb hdd from toshiba all packed in a termaltake big tower. Man that thing rly was almost immortal i got it well over a year before the ps 4 was released and it still run for half a year when the ps 5 had come out. Never forget man, what a trooper.

[@tyrkukulkan]

I know someone who was running an i5 4590 PC from 2014 into 2022. It was upgraded to a 4790K in 2022 as Hyperthreading makes a difference in modern titles. It would still have an R9 280 if that hadn't suddenly died. That was begrudgingly replaced with an RX 5600XT in 2019, just before the GPU drought. That PC was built with an SSD from the start though but only a 120GB one as they were very expensive. My PC from that time only had a 64GB SSD as a boot drive but it had been a high end build in 2009.

[@denkbor]

All your videos are amazing. I'm surprised you don't have millions of subscribers 👍👍👍

[@IcebergTech]

Thank you so much 😀

[@BREEZYM6015]

I've been gaming on an FX8320 rig since October 2020. Has a Radeon 7950 3GB and 16GB of DDR3 RAM. Works fine for most games at medium to low settings. I got the PC pretty much for free so I can't complain.

[@NO_obs]

Would be cool to see benchmarks of the 2013 machine with an ssd and maybe 16gb ram just to see how much those effect performance

[@zimbu_]

What a name for a company. I can just picture the man who wanted to be called the "CEO&founder of CEX" or "the man behind CEX" or "CEX boss" fifteen years ago sitting in a parent-teacher meeting with his daughter and making sure he says "complete electronics exchange" every time.

[@aavvironalex]

Always great videos!

[@IcebergTech]

Glad you like them!

[@ABRetroCollections]

In this era, I was running an ASRock Z97 Extreme4, Xeon E3-1240v3 (free from an HP workstation), and GTX 770. I ran that system before I upgraded to a 1600X and GTX 1060 6GB.

[@Pasi123]

Nice cex machine

[@myke687]

I still have my LGA1156 and LGA1155 running, i7 870 and i7 2600k respectively. SSD, RAM and videocard still makes it relevant today for casual gaming and most of my workload (rendering and AutoCAD).

[@FlergerBergitydersh]

75hz Freesync monitors really are lifesavers for old systems like these. Every budget gamer should have one now; they're dirt cheap, and it makes worrying about a solid 60 a thing of the past.

[@Xetanyl]

i was running an hp z400 with a xeon w3520 and Quadro 4000 for 2 years or so before upgrading to a 3080 and 5800x3d. i do miss the days where every little setting, config file and resolution mattered when playing a new game.

[@Pasi123]

I used a HP Z400 with a Xeon W3520 (i7-920), 12GB RAM, GTX 660 in 2013-2016. I then upgraded to a Z400 6-DIMM version with a W3550 (i7-950) and a bit later upgraded the CPU to a 6c/12t X5670 and GPU to a GTX 960. And in late 2016 I upgraded to a OC capable board Asus P6X58D-E and OC'd the Xeon. I'm still on the X58 platform with a OC'd 6c/12t Xeon, 24GB RAM and a GTX 1080 Strix. I do also have a ThinkStation S30 with a Xeon E5-2690 8c/16t, 64GB RAM and my old GTX 960. Sadly newer workstations like HP Z4 are still really expensive so they aren't that good option for budget gaming systems

[@Obie327]

My late 2012 build was an Intel i5 3750k/Z77/1866mhz 16 gigs/Nvidia 550 ti/560 ti. (And A 500 gig spinning rust) Ivy Bridge carried us almost to 8 years before Zen+ around 2018. (intel motherboard memory issues or the security exploits sealed its fate) This review must of been painful for you with the Spinning rust HDD. Brilliant review and thanks for the detailed hard work.

[@Fernando-Rodriguez]

I bought a PC with an i5 4570 with 16 GB of ram, a 124 GB SSD, 1T WDB HHD and I added a GT 1030 and another 500 GB HHD with emulation and light gaming in mind, it runs my games just fine, I play Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield 1, CS GO, MK11 and lots of older game.

[@Latham06]

wow your videos are so well written

[@McShizzle]

Maintenance maintenance maintenance. Make sure your components are properly cooled, you do your dusting every season and to replace your thermal pastes for CPU and GPU from time to time. Your PC will stay strong for years without failure.

[@Lexicon-ff6or]

Thanks!

[@theofficialpollo]

Great video as usual! I'd love if you tested the GTX 960 since it was my first GPU, but I remember it strugging with stutters in 2017 before I replaced it for a 1060 6GB. (Maybe because of my FX 8350, of maybe because it was the 2GB model).

[@giserson2]

When I built budget PCs for people at that time I always went for an FX 6300 + R9 270 combo at that kind of budget as it allowed for 1080p 60fps at high settings in most games at the time. The R9 270 might not support some modern titles that require feature level 12_0 or higher, but by the time that started to become a problem most people would've upgraded to an RX 470/570 or similar. At the time the R9 270 was almost 50% faster than the R7 260X, which is why I always recommended it as a minimum, it also performed 30% better than a 750ti.

[@certs743]

Fun video. I am still using a decade old machine but the CPU alone the Xeon e5-2665 was $1500 US at the time. My T3600 from Dell is maxed out with 64GBs of quad channel DDR 3 RAM and I have both a SATA SSD for boot drive and a 6TB enterprise grad HDD for mass storage. I just upgraded the GPU to an RX 5600XT. Since I run Linux I don't care about dropped Windows support at all and so far AVX 1 is still fine to boot all the games I currently play. That being said I know most people don't have access to the cast offs of animation studios like in my town.

[@disadadi8958]

My build was like €1000 in 2013 with 3570k, gtx 660, 8gb ddr3, 120gb SSD :D That chip was a monster overclocked easily to 4.4GHz.

[@InternationalLiaison]

Im on a i7 4790 with RTX A2000 and Im easily getting atleast 7 more years out of it! On a side note. The i5’s are pretty much dead due to unenjoyable frame stutter on demanding triple title games. 4 cores no hyper threading limits the bandwidth needed especially for online games like Dead By Daylight. Dead By Daylight always has to recalibrate latency and where you would be in real time so without hyper threading its not only frame time stutter, its also calibration stutter. For online gaming its a big thumbs down for i5’s and no hyper threading.

[@sneekeruk]

Still using a Xeon 1270v2 from 2012, just with a 1060 in it and its only just starting to struggle with more stuff so will probably have to do a bit of upgrading in the near future.

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

Keep up the good work

[@RadioDemon10]

my old PC was nearly the same, my friend uses it now, i7 2600 and a R7 260X 2gb from saphire too and 16GB ddr3 1600, its still surprisingly capable, but i upgraded to a i7 7700k and a 1080ti with 32GB ddr4 3000

[@Zakkious]

Best channel on KZbin

[@Bdot888]

I didnt build my first pc until 2016 and it had a FX 6300 which came out in 2012. That cpu surprisingly held well until I upgraded in 2020

[@jimtekkit]

Recently I did a Core i5 4570 build (basically a budget banger from spare parts) to use in the shed where it gets hot and dusty. It's a great chip considering you get a 3.6GHz turbo clock. I paired it with an RX570 8GB, which is more than enough considering that I have a disliking for modern games (around 2017 or later).

[@threzz3]

I am running a PC 2013/2012 era i5 4690 16gb ram And a r7 260x with 1gb And go well in almost every title

[@JamesTamesGames]

i actually had this same case a decade ago, except the white/blue variant. The Neos looked pretty good for the time/price.

[@WOTRetro]

see, i bought a 4770k back in that time, it is still running today. Only recent i observed games and programs that clearly want something more in compute. When i bought it, it was High End, with 16 gig of ram, and a 120gb ssd to boot from. It was also my last time i bought SLI, in form of two 4gb 770 GTX Cards. I had to drop one of them fairly quickly, SLI was on his last breath at the time. Some games didn´t want to touch the second card at all. Only recently did i upgrade the GPU to an RTX 2060. That will buy me some time.. i want to upgrade to an actual Ryzen, but Mainboard and Memory prices have to drop a little bit more. And yes, i manages to live through corona with a single 770 GTX 4gb. Even Cyberpunk was okay.. even more, i loved that game. Still think people overreacted. I had a potato PC, and less bugs then with every Bethesda Game i know. But okay, when you want to sell big numbers, you have to deliver. Uh, That got off topic quickly.

[@armando1is1great]

Even thought i've been on a 2080 and 5600x for a while now, I was selling and changing my build all the time before. Sometimes building is more fun than gaming for me. That said, i had plenty of fun for a few months on just a ryzen 3 2200g. Played some classics I missed like Max Payne 2 and No One Lives Forever, and some less demanding games like Persona and Fallout NV. Emulated some GBA games too. Gaming is what you make of it. Some people just can't accept anything less than ultra setting on the latest games. There's so many great games from the past I've missed that I can't imagine never having something to play, on any hardware

[@WOTRetro]

@@armando1is1great i totally understand that. But even that fades when 3D Mark tells you that you are on the top 1% of all systems. I had build my systems since when the Voodoo 1 was new. You miss not much jumping a few generations now days. With your setup not really worth updating at the moment, but of course a lot of fun.

[@AncientED5]

9:26 NOO JACK DONT DO IT

[@eskimo4130]

Fun video again bud

[@KairanD]

Excellent content, as always! It would be amazing to see how far this Core i5 can go with a better graphics card. Do you have plans to test it?

[@IcebergTech]

Yes, in the follow-up I’m going to test each individual upgrade separately - CPU, GPU, RAM, and SSD- and see which one has the biggest impact on performance.

[@gjits5307]

I was on a heavily-overclocked i3-540 from 2010 to 2021. I would largely describe the first 7 years of ownership as "fine" and the last 4 years as "startlingly rapid decline with respect to newer titles"

[@DiamondDepthYT]

I still run my i7 4770 rig (upgraded from i5 4670) with 32gb of ram (upgraded from 16gb), a gtx 1660 (upgraded from a gtx 660), an MSI z87 mpower max motherboard, and a 256gb ssd + 2tb 7200rpm hdd. I play lots of Minecraft, but I'm even able to play Virtual Reality on it!

[@LeitoAE]

If you have a system like this the sata SSD upgrade will give you a new breath and improve not only games loading times and help to decrease stutters, but also change overall system feel to a mind-blowing effect. Also SATA ssd can be moved to a new system when you finally upgrade for example for storage of older games. I keep there titles before 2020 and their loading time is just fine.

[@filenotfound__3871]

My FX-6300 + GTX 560 still kicking I even still use a compaq 615 laptop from 2009

[@nekrovulpes]

Got a 3570k still going strong. Well, kinda. 4.2ghz overclock kept it putting in work. Originally had a GTX760, upgraded somewhere down the line to a 1060. Used to be my pride and joy playing Battlefield 4 in my bedroom at my parent's place. Still serves well as a living room media and modest gaming rig (emulators for daaays). Also yeah 6:04 hit hard, I worked at Maplin at the time, ordered in most of the parts on staff discount lmao

[@ashce10]

Man that HDD stutter... I assume a boot SSD with the page file on SSD would make it much better? It wouldn't be very expensive and could make this machine somewhat viable today

[@ismaelsoto9507]

Yep if the page file is on a SSD it helps a lot, a decent amount of games are fine on HDDs if you aren't using it as a boot drive and page file.

[@quentonc5806]

my dad has a 2014 monster with 4x4 ddr3 now 3x4 ddr3, with a i7 4790k, with a r9 290x 700w psu other specs i forget byt it holds up today he can play cod mw19 1080p low over 100fps, i gave him my rx 580 and it still runs to this day no issues

[@KingVulpes]

9:48 Switch users: cries in 30fps

[@h1tzzYT]

Well it was pretty obvious that 260x wont have a chance after 10 years, but i think upgrading that system (from the video) would be so much better than getting brand new one. Here i compiled small list for it: 25€ - 16gb 1600mhz ram 2x8 240€ - rx 6600 xfx swft 210 ~50€ - i7 4770/4771 55€ - 1TB wd blue sata ssd In total that will be 370€ if you decide to upgrade i5 4570 cpu and it will run pretty much everything at comfortable high-ultra settings at 1080p or 1440p at 60+ fps😊

[@bolm1]

This is why an ssd is usually the best thing to get first in an old PC. Guaranteed boosts in all load times for pretty cheap

[@SOG98]

My first PC was an AMD FX6300 paired with a R9 380 from Sapphire. 2GB of VRAM. Man, those were times.

[@Sanquinity]

Back then i had a i7-3770, 16gb ram, the gtx750ti, and a hard disk instead of an ssd. And i upgraded my gpu to the 970 soon after. Even to this day the 970 is a damn beast.(i have it as backup after getting a 6600xt) Though it's really starting to really show its age now with only 4gb vram.

[@ChristianSandviknes]

I actually got a 60 GB SSD in 2011, with a new PC at the time, which had the fanciful AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition and 2x 6870 HD Radeon cards in crossfire (had to disable one of them a lot of the time, due to game-support) - but you were right about the RAM (8GB) and this was about 400 USD higher than your computer, though most of that was the extra GPU and fancy motherboard (ASUS Crosshair IV Formula, Socket-AM3)

[@alltheotherhandlesaretaken]

Would be interesting to see a “cheap and cheery” upgrade for this rig. An extra 2x2gb of ram from ebay and a sort-by-cheapest 120gb ssd for a grand total of $15 or less can improve the gaming experience significantly.

[@VikingDudee]

Some more ram, SSD and maybe a slightly stronger GPU, that i5 should do pretty well considering its age.

[@NikiDaDude]

I bought my first SSD in 2013 and it wasn't that expensive, though the rest of my PC was pretty crap in comparison to this computer. Everyone made fun of OCZ SSDs but mine is still alive and in active service 10 years later.

[@user-yv2cz8oj1k]

SATA 3 SSD's were new, but we were happily shelling out £120 for a 120GB drive when we saw what it did to the speed of the operating system and the boot times.

[@facuuaf]

I bought an FX-8350 in 2015 and I still regret that purchase to this very day. I was basically bottlenecked on every 8th gen game and couldn't go past 40fps on any resolution. Now that I've updated to a Ryzen 5 7600, everything is silky smooth with my RX 6600

[@Mini-z1994]

Also feel free too do a video on some upgrades for this. A pair of ssd's swap the cpu too the 4770k with a 240mm aio, 2x8 gb ram sticks for dualchannel & 16 gb in total. Add in a graphics card like the rtx 2060 or rx 6600 should present a solid performer despite such an old platform & despite holding back the gpu a bit with that 4770k.

[@rmking_beats]

cant wait to go cex shopping

[@mattk6827]

Realizing how much more intensive games have become. Went from a 4690k/hd7850 1gb with games running around 60-80fps on a 60hz 1080p monitor. Moved to a 12700k/3080 12gb and 1440p 144hz monitor. Newer games? Running 75-90fps (some faster). Holy crap my old system was woefully unprepared. lol.

[@YuukiHotaruu]

You should factor in the upgrade over the years to keep the system up My old PC goes from an B75 platform with an i3 2100 and 8gb of ram to an i7 3770 and 16gb of ram when i finally replace it in 2021 and the first GPU in it was an HD5670, and ended up with an rx470 The minor upgrade here and these took it live far longer than it should be, but it served me well.

[@arthurwintersight7868]

There's no point creating unnecessary e-waste, if you can breathe fresh life into an old computer. Worst case, you fix it up and flip it for some cash, and it lives on as someone else's 1080p gaming computer for older titles.

[@patg108]

technically yes if reasonable expectation for it is taken into consideration

[@BravoSixGoingDark]

Still using my i7 4790k w/ RTX 3060 rig since Dec 2014. Next year 2024 I will hit the 10 year mark.

[@ToaRocky]

Had a build that was a little faster than this in 2013. Was a i5-4670 non K, GTX 760, 8 GBs of RAM, and basically everything else was the cheapest possible stuff they wouldn’t kill the PC. Started a life long love of computing. Now I’m an engineer at AMD. Ironic, considering that first PC.

[@endless2239]

man, every modern part was looking so good in comparison, till the gpu. a x400 series is now pricier than a x60 series gpu of 2013, what a world to play in.

[@williampaabreeves]

the G3258 would make a great ultra budget 2014 machine for a future video. As it can quite easily overclock to around 4.5-5GHz with some cooling, and its dirt cheap now so if you break it doesn't matter so much. With testing my own one, I've found it can match the single thread performance of a Ryzen 3000 CPU, although obviously limited by being a 2 Core 2 Thread with DDR3, still an interesting option to evaluate.

[@AbbasDalal1000]

13:50 the stutter is mostly the 4c 4t problem

[@liftedplane]

I'm so old I remember getting 20fps was acceptable and more than enough.... man how times have changed

[@R3TR0J4N]

I'm using a xeon E3-1230v2 (an i7-3770) and a 1060 3GB. It's manageable. Best thing I did was undervolt and stock boost clock my GPU, keeps the longevity of the hardware.

[@Birbb47]

I remember having that same z97 board and a G3258, my upgrade path was weird. Went to a i3-4170, then i5-4460 later on. I remember my G3258 did not like overclocking that high either

[@rathstar]

Going with the HDD, I understand why you did, but I don't envy you playing games with it :) Must have been a pleasant surprise to get a Z97 board in the CEX PC, should be easy to build a e-sports PC for when it comes to sell the rig, as you said an i5-4670k would be perfect along with upgrading to 16gb of ram.

[@IcebergTech]

It was more of an “aww, man…” moment. I bought a Z97 on eBay a few months ago which turned out to have a broken pin. It was cheap, so when I tried to replace it I thought I would be able to get another one just as cheap. I was wrong! After a few weeks I finally managed to get a good deal on an Asus Gryphon. Then I get this PC, and voilà, staring out at me… another bloody Z97!

[@yumenolala]

Wonderful comparison between the two PCs. It's great how putting just a SSD makes an old PC good enough for surfing. For the price spent on the X99 mobo and 5960x at the time of release, what can be bought today?

[@gedeuchnixan3830]

Well, about 10 years ago (around 2012/2013) my E6550@3.66GHz stable system got a 120GB Samsung EVO upgrade for 112€ including shipping replacing my 500GB SATAII HDD as boot and game drive, at a bit under 1€ per GB for the best SSD this upgrade was well worth it for the improvements a SSD offered over HDD. But then, for those who just got into pc gaming and weren´t gaming on HDDs for years already 1€ per GB probably was way too expensive, especially on a budget building a complete system.

[@GloriousKev]

lol at living with your parents in 2013. I turned 30 in 2013. I figured out how to buy a PC with a whole family lol

[@lanelesic]

I had an i5 3470, 8GB of ddr3 (2x4GB) and an R7 260 1GB that I replaced with R9 280x 3GB and much later with the RX 570 4GB. The time of 4 core 4 thread is over but it lasted long enough.

[@bobryan7927]

Hey spend 200$ and you get a 500gb ssd, a used 1660 super (100$) a Xeon 1270v3 and another 8gb of ddr3. Would spice that old machine up and keep it from being ewaste.

[@YuukiHotaruu]

Upgrading over the years are the best way to keep the PC up to the usage need my old B75 system which finally rest 2 years ago had gone from the first i3 2100 and hd5670 to i7 3770 and rx470, budget then, but even when it finally broke, it still hold it pace in modern usage and games.

[@theHardwareBench]

Formula One's on so couldn't hear the video but I don't know why you chose the 4570, in February a 4670K was only £12 from CEX and even on stock clocks that extra 200mhz makes a difference at this level. If your board can overclock you could have got a bit more. I've done a build for £325 using one at a 24/7 stable 4.5ghz with power efficiency settings all on which is ripping through games with a GTX1070. I'm revisiting my £250 gaming build with a GTX970 coming next week so I can keep the 4770K and 16gb of ram and stay in budget. I have seen some good complete builds at CEX lately so I might buy one at a later date to test. 10 years ago I was running my 4670K daily at 4.3ghz (it was new so didn't want to hurt it then and didn't need as much power) so it would be legit comparison for this. In fairness I am still one of the top overclockers in the UK with 15 years experience but still I'd have seen the 4570 as sub standard in 2013.

[@shannonrhoads7099]

My first PC doesn't quite match up, but then again, I wouldn't recommend running modern titles on a Packard Bell Legend 610, a 486SX/25 with its 230gb HDD and 2mb of ram! Dang it, I'm old.

[@rossrogers8139]

I built my brother a pc for about 150$ with some hand me downs and he still uses it to this day. It’s an i7 3770k paired with a 970 and 16gb or ram😂. He plays just about anything that runs

[@robertt9342]

You are right about the ram, 8gb was considered the right amount, but this was transitioning from 4gb being acceptable a couple years earlier. 16GB was completely unnecessary. However, you are sort of wrong about SSDs. Budget gamers were buying them a couple years before, my 2011 budget build had an ssd for the OS and other applications and small/current title games, but most games still ran from an hdd. GPU would have between a 750ti and 260x, so you are right there. The CPUs that were in the budget category would have been an i3 or i5. FX CPUs we’re still a thing in the budget builds. Interestingly enough, the g3258 (OCing) was a big deal in 2014 for budget builds as games were very thread limited.

[@darkobakula5190]

I am surprised they did not allow for texture and geometry streaming combined with low LODS for distant areas based on hardware's capabilities in games such as Cyberpunk. Old games relied heavily on this due to limited hardware resources on consoles such as PS1 and PS2. LOD distance would vary based on the rate of streaming the PC was capable. And this was done without knowing anything about the hardware. The game itself would choose an LOD distance based on how quickly certain core components of the game would be streamed into the memory. An example would be GTA 3. If you had a good PC, the game would look fine and dandy but if your computer was slow what would typically happen is that chunks of area you are currently in, would either be really low poly and / or textures would be blurry and they would get swapped out with higher quality textures and assets the more time you spent in that area. But this solution would remove stuttering completely. Even if your PC would be capable enough to instantly stream in highest quality LODs into the game there was still no guarantee it would not fall back to lowest LOD and texture resolution based on how fast you were moving.For example driving a car really fast, you would see an area of the game with no NPCs, everything within that chunk is low resolution and the PC would slowly keep up the longer you were in that area, NPCs would populate, assets would be replaced by higher quality ones. While this solution was ugly and annoying to some people. It kept the frame rate consistent no matter what hardware you were using. Nowadays, games either stutter, fps could drop massively if you are not using recommended hardware specs and even having recommended hardware would not guarantee you a stutter, lag-free experience. If I had to choose between an ugly blurry world and performance issues, I would rather go with the ugliness and be able to play than being unable to play until chunks are loaded in. If you ask me, the performance issue is more annoying than having an ugly unpopulated world. One of the more modern titles I could think of that employ this strategy would be Unreal Tournament 3, Gears of War and even Batman Arkham trilogy used it to a limited extent.

[@lawrenwimberly7311]

I love that case... also, I was surprised at the capability of the r7 240 2 gig... It will play up to fallout 4 at medium settings on an I7 3770, and even on an i5 3470... (at least @ console equiv settings) WITH a spinning rust HD