Can Tottenham SHOCK Arsenal? | Miles vs Flav

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[@sean9446]

‘The proof is in the pudding!’ Rory is going to have a fit! 😂

[@hyywe240]

Puddings is massive

[@HiimFieldy]

it is a saying never heard someone other then rory say it isn't

[@slayingroosters4355]

​​@@HiimFieldyhe is right in a sense because the original saying is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" but "the proof is in the pudding" is 100% the more commonly used modern version of the saying 😂

[@olavjorvik94]

He’s been practising it for a week, apparently, so him and Buvey can team up and make Rory go crazy😂

[@mpd7878]

How Rory said that lol he a baby who thinks he a old man 🤣 he knows fuck all about football.

[@shunsha8606]

I could feel the delusion from Miles

[@Haitiankid22]

Saying Son doesnt get in the team over Eddie Nketiah is madness🤣

[@superbeedge]

Postecoglou won multiple titles at two different Aussie clubs, won the Asian cup with Australia, won the J-league with a club that hadn't won it for 15 years, then went to Celtic.... versus one FA cup.

[@gegenpress1695]

Arteta winning an Fa cup is more than anything spurs have achieved in decades. It’s hilarious how spurs fans said this about Jose, Nuno and conte and Arsenal under Arteta wiped the floor with All of them.

[@karmaascendant3936]

@@gegenpress1695yeah sure Arteta beat them. Doesn’t mean he’s necessarily a better manager. Ole beat Pep’s City’s team fairly regularly as well. Thomas Frank’s Brentford did the double over them as well. Being able to beat what looks like a superior foe doesn’t necessarily mean that you are better but that you are good yourself. By this point in his career Mourinho had won a Champions League.

[@jamescollins2629]

​@@gegenpress1695mourinho did well with spurs, the sacked him before a cup final against city because he was against the superleague, not his fault spurs owners are useless

[@hsiang7]

It wasn't even Arteta's team that won it either. They finished 8th the next two seasons after that. Just a new manager bounce. Even now Arsenal in my opinion are VERY overrated. The statement that they "came close" last season is even an overstatement. City wrote off their last two league games because the league was already won and they had a Champions League Final coming up. They still won by 5 points. If they took those last two games seriously they would have won the league by 11 points and nobody would be saying it was close.

[@LeechyPlatinum]

Literally this comment means nothing. Ange became a manager back in the year 2000 and Arteta became a manager in 2019. 19 more years to win trophies, what a stupid analysis 😂… oh and heads up the FA Cup is worth more than any of those previous trophies in terms of overall quality, history and relevancy.

[@lewislindsay8390]

It's a far-fetched statement but the idea Flav raises about comparative difficulty is probably a bit fairer than it sounds when he said it so blankly between Brisbane Roar and a Prem team.

[@jazzoj5]

I can see what he's trying to say, but the big difference is the pressure

[@Laid_Back_17]

Came here to say the same, levels. And you can argue that big levels have bigger challenges, but if you dealt with what is considered big challenges in ur league you’ll have the tenacity or the know how to deal with the challenges of the big one. I probably made an even worst explanation than him with this comment. But hey if one gets it, he alrdy gets it

[@garyc2630]

Even with Celtic, Ange has gone to every club and ELEVATED them, those are the facts.

[@dylanmcintyre6080]

He had way more pressure with Celtic than he does with spurs

[@lakersouthpaw]

If you take only managing the club in a vacuum, then it's a valid point (to an extent. PL players will have bigger egos). However there are other factors like expectations, pressure, the media circus in the UK that make it very different.

[@kind-hearted-thievesjoe1512]

I wish Flav was better at debating. He has good points but he allows himself to be derailed by the other two.

[@lakersouthpaw]

He has some good points and some absolutely shit takes lmao. He doesn't help himself. He can't be objective, which is understandable.

[@eldante4139]

As if the Arsenal supporter can be 🤣 saying that no Spurs players would get in the Arsenal team. 🤣🤣 after one season finishing higher than Spurs but winning nothing. Embarrassing

[@DrSpasticat]

Didn't let flav explain the point, worse leagues have worse players worse facilities, depends on style of win, if a bottom championship team, not burnleys super team get 100 points it's still equal to prem results despite being the league below

[@Francadam]

The Aussie league is so bad that any half decent manager would look like pep and saf rolled into one. Ange is a decent manager, and if he wants to debate the goat of the Aussie league managers then he’s got a great case, but you can’t come to the European table, slap your Aussie league title down and go “bet none of you could do this”

[@randombants2167]

@@FrancadamI’m sure the point he’s saying is that with the Aussie league there’s a wage cap so everyone has the same level of players and squad and ange “coached” them to be invincible

[@alexholt6810]

​@@Francadambut it raises a good point could arteta do what ange did at brisane roar and yokohama mariners? Brisbane roar werent in a good place a yokohama had never won a title, could arteta do the same? He couldn't do much with arsenal until they started spending money, he needed better quality players to play his style (thats not a critism)

[@pixelpeek9963]

@@Francadamno, you’re right, but it’s not irrelevant. You can’t disregard every achievement someone may have just because it isn’t in the European leagues that we’re all much more aware of. Ange is the most successful manager ever in the Aussie league and guided a Japanese team to their first title in 15 years. None of the successes have been with a huge influx of cash either. All it does it prove what he is claiming to be - a good coach.

[@tomwilson6893]

@@Francadam The Aussie league has only been around since the 2000s though

[@Litkovian23]

Nketiah ahead of Son is insane, and I’m an Arsenal fan 😂 I would start him over Martinelli fr

[@Chirag_Arikella]

in no world son starts over martinelli, maybe over jesus

[@KiIIaInc]

Son had to change his age to compete with Martinelli 😂

[@Hikoplouyr]

​@@Chirag_Arikellain every world Son starts over martinelli,son has better pace,dribbling and 2nd best finishing in the league behind haaland, also how many golden boots has martinelli won?

[@Chirag_Arikella]

@@Hikoplouyr one is 22 the other is 31 lol. martinelli is tied with firmino as the highest scoring brazilian in the league at that age btw. and had a better season son is just in form. he does get ahead of gabriel jesus but as a forward but definitely does not get ahead of martinelli

[@eldante4139]

Son is just in form? He’s one of the leading goalscorers in the premier league of all time (100 club), regularly exceeds his xg, extremely good finisher and player on the break. He’s definitely clear of Martinelli

[@TheRickySpanish]

The Arsenal don obviously doesn’t watch Spurs other than when they play them. Son is not a left winger, at most he’s a left forward or inside forward. Never been a winger coming from a Chelsea supporter

[@mikem8211]

It's been 4 games ffs 😂

[@TheRickySpanish]

@@mikem8211 Son has been at Spurs for years

[@gtr5973]

I’m an Arsenal fan but you can’t say he’s a better manager than Postecoglou at this point. Ange has won leagues in Australia and Japan with salary caps in his first clubs there. To assume your average EPL manager can do that is being wilfully ignorant of the challenge. He’s a had a career across multiple clubs over years and years and it’s been ages since he’s been sacked.

[@iamnasay6944]

ole can win the league in france if he manage PSG..prove nothing,,

[@astro9219]

Brendan Rodgers won everything with Celtic in Scotland and got Leicester relegated, so it’s not a benchmark. Also, Arteta has only been managing for 4 years. As for salary caps, the playing field is even in that scenario and so the point is moot. Ages since Ange been sacked? Arteta had never been sacked 😂

[@Hinderz]

Yeah I’m an Aussie Arsenal fan and what Ange did in Brisbane (compared to every other manager that’s come in from Germany and Holland) was ridiculous. He had them absolute levels above every team in the league (working under the same constraints). It was the most remarkable display this domestic league has ever seen. He also took a very average Socceroos team to winning a continental comp. That’s not to say he’ll be successful at Spurs (because it’s still spurs) but the guy is legit.

[@effayeyeayzed]

But everyone seems to forget this is Arteta’s FIRST job. He’s held his own and now excelling at the cream of the crop of competions which is the Prem and now CL. Great okay Ange has won in Japa, Australia and Scotland but the better manager/tactician/coach is Arteta. To change the image and culture of a club successfully is proof of that.

[@sebaraghi4576]

@@astro9219Arteta has been around for 5 years you melt, and he arguably should’ve been sacked based off results, he came 8th, he was just kept for sentiment, if it was Chelsea he WOULD HAVE been sacked. Also, Postegclou had the best PPG record in the history for Celtics, he won far more than Rodgers, and he’s been around even longer than Rodgers. Arteta isn’t the better manager.

[@adtastic1533]

Im an Araenal fan but this Arsenal fan needs to put more respect on Big Ange's name. Winning the league in 3 different countries is definitely a bigger achievement rhan winning 1 FA Cup with Arsenal. Not saying which manager is better just you cant deny what Big Ange has done.

[@CarlM96]

the guy just wants to shout about arsenal and arteta and he'd have had to actually think critically and listen to Flav so he just chose to shout over him and not even try and understand what he meant.

[@Francadam]

Not really, arteta could easily go win the league titles ange has if he wanted, he’s just been taking on a bigger challenge. My Nan could win the Scottish league with Celtic, even Rangers challenging them is a rarity these days

[@primetimeab3216]

It’s definitely not 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@zombie-xj7gc]

Winning with celtic is irrelevant

[@josephcottrell4180]

Why is an Arsenal fan calling him "Big Ange"? You think Spurs fans are saying "Super Mik Arteta"?

[@Mattmo675]

Miles' prediction aged like milk💀

[@gavinbailey2188]

Bissouma dominated the Arsenal midfield when he was at Brighton. So easy he was dancing at the end.

[@joshuakiio438]

Who was in the midfield for arsenal that game?

[@jasonjc2264]

@@joshuakiio438wasn’t it Xhaka and Partey. I could be wrong

[@user-rh1iv7yp2c]

His last 2 games against Arsenal for Brighton he got beat

[@kintib7606]

@@jasonjc2264it wasn’t

[@lolollololol2758]

@@jasonjc2264 xhaka was playing left back it was lokonga, odegaard and smith rowe. a completely different midfield than what we will see on sunday

[@brendanconnellan]

6:29 Miles and Adam's reactions to this statement just prove what Flav is talking about. It's premier league ignorance. You can only beat what's put in front of you and you can only do that with the resources provided to you, and Postecoglou has proven in multiple leagues and with the national team that he is a top coach and manager. Wherever he has been, he has been winning and transforming teams to dominate their leagues like never seen before. Just because he's new to the prem, doesn't make him any worse than a guy who has been here only a few years and is in his first job, and his career backs that up.

[@wespicedmemes]

Yes!!! It’s la liga ignorance for me as well. Ppl say Messi is the greatest ever but I’ve won everything put in front of me for my school team. I was top scorer in every tournament and won mvp. This is the exact comment I’ve been waiting for!

[@Codie__]

@@Fyt11089 and what about a salary capped Australian league? Are you still going to disregard achievements there?

[@retoschlatter5461]

flav talking about other people's premier league ignorance is hilarious, considering his usual statements about other top leagues in europe usually 😂

[@-jol2don-793]

@@Fyt11089curios if you have the same argument with the bundesliga, they only have one team winning but managers coming out of Germany are highly rated and their achievements aren’t diminished.

[@mjbarber771]

​@Codie__ His achievements stand for sure. And managing at different levels shouldn't be disregarded, but has Ange managed against Pep, Klopp, Emery, De Serbi etc? He has been a big fish in smaller ponds.

[@jacobdennis5365]

Son is a golden boot winner, no one in the front three of arsenal has come close to that

[@shallomhabu1153]

The argument with Arteta winning the FA cup with Wenger/Emery players, is like saying Tuchel won the UCL with Lampards players. That argument and narrative is highly FLAWED!

[@mikesingh6099]

I mean, tbf, Lampard signed Mendy and Silva who were huge contributors, also Havertz who scored in that final. That team was not bad, Lampard just sucked. It’s also supported by the fact that the team is almost completely new now and is leaps and bounds better than any arsenal team in the last 10 years. Don’t see how it’s flawed

[@stewylambino4925]

Bissouma over Partey AND Rice is mental. Bissouma full potential doesn't even touch Declan now. Good player, but Rice is two-three levels clear.

[@celticbarry9877]

Rice couldn't lace Bissouma's boots. Like comparing Harry Kane to Messi. Bissouma is pure football and quality, Rice is a good big workhorse.

[@stewylambino4925]

@@celticbarry9877 Not even gonna try and disprove that statement, just not even worth it, I just know that misconception will continue to be disproven more than it already has. All Im gonna say is only one of them competed with Rodri in technical stats, and did it outside the top 6, whilst also being the "big workhorse" everyone knows he is. Pure football and quality has and will prove itself soon enough.

[@stewylambino4925]

@@celticbarry9877 Do you see it now? Surely you see it now? The 6, The 8, it don't matter, he will dominate.

[@VIL670]

Flav's comment about Brisbane Roar and the Premier league makes total sense. Just because you go down the leagues doesn't make the difference in the teams in that league any different. You're always going to have teams competing at the bottom and the ones competing near the top. The difficulty is still there to take a team from the bottom to top of the table promotion contenders and Ange did it. If it were so easy why has Wrexham been in the National League for 15 years.

[@sagacity7819]

No but managing in the prem is completely different levels than managing in the australian league 😅

[@jcdalrymple16]

@@sagacity7819bro Arsene Wenger literally signed for Arsenal after managing Grampus Eight in the J League…

[@VIL670]

@@sagacity7819 What's the difference in managing a bottom table team in the Australian league to a bottom table team in the Premier League?

[@b0sH]

All leagues are not created equal. Yes it's all relative but that doesnt make it easily translatable. The skill set isnt the same, the recruitment isnt the same, the tactical nouse isnt the same. Ange has so far proved he can beat Bournemouht, Man United, Sheff Utd and Burnley, draw with Brentford and lose to Fulham.... would you expect any competent manager to not achieve that with this Spurs squad?

[@Francadam]

It’s impressive and that’s why he got a move to a better league but there’s a reason it’s not considered on the same level as if he did that in the prem

[@yukonadventurexc]

Bissouma is pure quality. Man looks like a different player with a decent manager. I'm a Liverpool fan and id take him in LFC midfielder.

[@jdf2100]

doesn't matter, spurs fans arguing that he's better than Rice are insane

[@hellohi1445]

@@jdf2100that’s not insane at all lol. It’s a valid argument to be had. Rice is probably better yeh but I mean I’m taking bissouma in my team over rice lmao.

[@jdf2100]

@@hellohi1445 sorry but you can't go missing for an entire year then pop up for a few good games and be near the conversation of a player who has been doing it consistently for years. Bissouma can be compared to Caicedo

[@hellohi1445]

@@jdf2100 that’s not always true tbh. Everyone would take son over saka/martinelli for example. (Please don’t tell me that you wouldn’t take son💀) But yeh right now rice is better but I mean end of this season, I’m very confident that bissouma will show why he’s better. I genuinely can’t see what rice can do than bissouma can’t. Bissouma has everything. That’s not disrespecting rice, that’s just credit to bissouma.

[@jdf2100]

@@hellohi1445 well obviously everybody would prefer Saka or Martinelli due to their age. Son will probably do well this season but he's getting on Fair enough, but I'm very very happy with Rice. He's always the one that people try to compare other players to. Enzo Hernandes vs Rice, Caicedo vs Rice, now Bissouma vs Rice. Probably because he's the only one who doesn't go missing for big patches

[@Dblakester24]

Bissouma over any arsenal midfielder and I don’t ever wanna see the disrespect to Son like that again. Madness. All those times Kane got hurt and Son moved to striker, he did just as well at scoring. Don’t ever but Nketiah and Son in the same breath. The disrespect is wild.

[@Blender589]

Where was Son last year?

[@danreddits3796]

Based on what? 5 games? Rice has been cooking since he was a teenager and Partey was unplayable at times last season too. You smoking something?

[@p.a.t.79]

@@danreddits3796did you see bissouma on Brighton. You lot have fucking amnesia I swear to Jesus.

[@p.a.t.79]

That’s what I’m saying the disrespect to son is nuts. He would cook any defender on your team

[@Dblakester24]

@@danreddits3796 Partey smoking it into road Z every game. Never rated Partey. Bissouma has been doing it since he was a kid too, probably like 99.9 percent of every other player on the league. Declan is dribbling through 3 players with ease and then also being the most active player on the field in terms of covering the field. Bissouma’s ceiling is higher for sure. Udogie will probably be top 3 left back in the league by Christmas and probably the best left back in the world in the next 2-3 years. Spurs are actually going to start cooking soon.

[@JK-hq1nj]

Miles really said son is not getting in over Eddie una 😂😂

[@cosminm5270]

The attitude of this Arsenal lad is what’s gonna make all neutrals watching this root for Spurs. And I’m a Chelsea fan.

[@mohamedadan1031]

Root or no root they r getting pumped,There is nothing 14th placed chelshit can do about it

[@oluogunmola9230]

Then you arent a neutral if youre a chelsea fan are you. Fool

[@samueljohnston1043]

A Chelsea fan that doesn't like Arsenal!!!! Well I never.

[@jemi3869]

That’s usually the way it goes with Arsenal fans lol

[@Marine5481]

Ok?

[@Westsidehoodie]

bissouma has been amazing this season

[@jerotoro99]

Yes, but not better than rice

[@Blender589]

​@@jerotoro99and played 4 or 5 games and Spuds have declared him best in the league 😂

[@comeon1503]

@@Blender589 Much better than rice

[@comeon1503]

@@Blender589 Thats what we saying. THIS SEASON bissouma is maybe the best cdm

[@snaggiz]

Spurs fans are impressed because they got a guy who can make three tackles a game. There’s levels to this and Bissouma got loads more to prove to even be in the conversation.

[@samlewis3555]

Some of Flav's takes are absolutely delusional, there really isn't a point in having a debate like this if no one at the table is trying to be objective.

[@ashearera]

I’ve never seen a channel use the phrase “the proof is in the pudding” as much as this 😂

[@pierrezapata90]

Including food channels literally making pudding 😂😂😂😂

[@nikkojdacula3415]

How can they belittle Ange managerial career? Ange has more experience as a manager than Arteta. He manage Australia men's national team and won an Asian cup. After that went to Japan and help relegation team Yokohama Marinos to stay a float and win a J-league cup. Went to Celtic and won a treble. It shows that this man has the ability to win.

[@Kehley82828]

Playing against shit managers, shit players in shit competitions. Beating city in a community shield final is in a different stratosphere of difficulty to winning a league with Celtic.

[@mikkelespe-li4721]

An fa cup in his first season is far more impressive than all the things ange has done. The managers that manages to stay at an premier league club is already an elite manager. Ange has not proved that yet at all. He has won vs a terrible utd side and newly promoted burnley and sheffield.

[@coyscoyscoys2685]

​@@mikkelespe-li4721so his whole cv is discredited by a team that wasn't even arteta's (by players or style of play either)? What are you idiots on about 😂

[@josephisabum5011]

@@mikkelespe-li4721 what an ignorant statement man

[@kufkzxkxzvkdvkxz]

Nketiah over Heung-Min Son has to be the biggest piss take of all time. Nothing he says can be taken seriously after that.

[@samuelfortune6435]

Postecoglou has an international trophy

[@tomwaters5359]

It's not an international stage 😂

[@magik410]

​​@@tomwaters5359does the emoji make you feel cool? Bell end

[@tomwaters5359]

The emoji is the issue here okay 😂😂😂😂😂😂 have some more ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊

[@luchito1337]

​@@tomwaters5359so if it's no an international stage, what is it wanker?

[@googleacc6022]

Celtic made Brendan Rodgers seem like a legend While Rangers in the the same league made Gerrard seem like the next best manager to come

[@danielmaltby352]

Mate Gerrard won a league when there was no fans ffs putting Gerrard that took 3 years to win the Scottish League btw in the same breath as Ange or even Brenden go give yourself a shake mate

[@TJW-YT]

@@danielmaltby352 He won the league going unbeaten. The point is it says more about the league than the managers themselves, it's not that he's as good as Rodgers or Ange, it's that the league is so shit it doesn't really matter how good they are.

[@danielmaltby352]

@@TJW-YT in a stadium with no fans training ground games and like a said your leagues a 1 horse race aswell

[@jmac4652]

@@danielmaltby352 Nice

[@jakeb3989]

Gerrard won 1 trophy out of 9 offerings and Rodgers got Leicester top 6 finish and FA Cup. Spurs are a far better-resourced team than The Foxes.

[@garyc2630]

This fans comments on Bissouma are wonderful considering he absolutely bossed the midfield yesterday. Didn't matter if Rice was on or off the pitch.

[@Tony_jr12]

I'd take bissouma all day ahead of rice. I'm a Leeds fan so no bias on either side

[@s0ydivision396]

As an Australian I can not stress to you enough how big an achievement Ange taking our national team to our first international honour is much more impressive than anything Arteta could ever hope to do with Arsenal.

[@115ffpandthephantomtreble]

Nobody gaf bro 😂

[@s0ydivision396]

@@115ffpandthephantomtreble gave enough of a fuck to put your opinion out there tho didn’t you 😂

[@spades381]

@@115ffpandthephantomtreble most educated arsenal fan

[@115ffpandthephantomtreble]

@@spades381 👂i didn’t read that

[@fowfow7119]

Playing dead teams

[@Dionysus66]

It's quite clear a lot of Arsenal fans here haven't actually been watching any Tottenham games. (although I think Flav might have been pushing it a little bit for the combined xi haha)

[@DaeSpurs]

You can tell the Arsenal fan doesn’t know football. Bissouma is the best 6 in the league rn. When did Arsenal fans start saying Ben white was the best RB in the league? He doesn’t know Pedro porro? Cmon bro

[@slone2698]

if you think bissouma is the best in the league then that clearly sums up your ball knowledge 😂😂

[@Moosem90]

Wiles in 23 is a force to be reckoned with

[@seamusocaoimhe8280]

It absolutely eats Arsenal fans up that Big Ange is revolutionising Spurs. It’s wonderful viewing. 12/10. Would watch again.

[@guy4375]

To back up what Flav is saying and put context to it, when Poch was appointed as Tottenham Manager Crystal Palace (newly promoted to the PL) were closer to Tottenham in revenue than Spurs were to Arsenal!!! Now Tottenham's revenues are above Arsenal.

[@TheDecline99]

Congratulations on the “more revenue than Arsenal” trophy.

[@gokuamvs4660]

​@@TheDecline99Cliche NPC response, the parent comment just shows how sustainable Spurs have become in a natural way without any financial doping ..

[@guy4375]

@@TheDecline99 No one celebratinmg, so end the being a dick poster crap. Just adding context to where the two clubs were and are now as was stated in the original post.,

[@fangdog29]

That'll get completed turned for the latest financial year.

[@guy4375]

@@fangdog29 No they will not. Spurs revenue without CL was £444m (last set of accounts filed June 22). Arsenal's were £327m for the same period (£120m less). Next set of accounts due to be filed have Spurs in CL, it is therefore expected they will report revenues comfortably over +£500m for the first time in their history (only City, Utd & LFC with higher revenues), Arsenal's will not be any higher than est £410m. The new stadium has increased commercial revenue from €84m to €183m and increased match day from €52m to €127 an increase of €159m!!

[@Thwze]

Can’t believe he tried to get a single spurs player other than Maddison in there 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LeWacoKid]

Son craps on Martinelli.

[@emucards2481]

Did Miles actually say that Eddie Nkeitah is better than Son? Your opinion doesn't matter after that. Absolute delusion

[@Chris_CFC1905]

As a Chelsea fan I want both teams to loose 😂 but if I had to pick a winner I kinda want Tottenham to win because I find Arsenal fans insufferable at the moment. How is it Arsenal fans are more sure of themselves compared to Man City fans who’s team just won’t the treble. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@NeplicanStudioRS]

The A League had a Salary cap, so managing Brisbane Roar might have been challenging in that level is a very valid argument.

[@Francadam]

No it isn’t, any half decent manager would be head and shoulders clear of their competition, so winning a league would be extremely expected

[@VIL670]

@@Francadam So what you're saying is Ange is a decent manager then?

[@NeplicanStudioRS]

@@Francadam Don't compare Brisbane Roar in context with EPL, but just looking at them in the A-League itself, it might have its own challenges. Plus one can only manage job they are given and for all the jobs Ange had, he managed to ace it. Trophy and great style of playing with each of the clubs he managed; from Struggling A-league teams, to Australia National team, to relegating battling Yokohama Marinos in Japan, to Celtic, and now in Tottenham. Its Early days, but for the past 5 game s for Spurs, it has been absolutely great. COYS!

[@Francadam]

@@VIL670 yes I’ve never said he wasn’t, but in a conversation about him vs arteta he has nothing

[@Francadam]

@@NeplicanStudioRS ofc you can only do the job ur given but they still don’t mean much in the context of comparing him to prem managers. His achievements there don’t limit his potential but they also don’t serve as evidence of him being a truly incredible manager

[@craigewins9293]

Ange has won more trophies than Arteta, is yet to bottle a title challenge and has managed and won a major international trophy with his home country. Plenty of proof that he's the better manager. Based on this season alone, which is all what is counted for now, Bissouma is better than Rice 8 days a week. Unplayable at times

[@Thenamesjackson753]

unibrow mckola supposed to be the unbiased one is laughable. Guy called Arteta a c*nt on the club when arsenal played united.

[@calumroche2851]

That is unbiased. It's not an opinion, it's a fact; Arteta is a c*nt.

[@killerdream6539]

he's right, bcs the level of players is the same in those leagues

[@cosminm5270]

Flav made some great points there, especially about Postecoglou.

[@SonnyBurch-u3r]

Did I just hear that Bissouma is the best CDM in the prem… 💀

[@s0ydivision396]

I mean statistically, this season, so far? Yeah, proofs in the pudding really.

[@BRKS80]

I support Arsenal, and I am not from England, but Arsenal fans are truly as dilusional as England fans in international football.

[@karanshah2384]

So by Flav's logic neither Pep nor Klopp are better managers than Ange since there is no evidence to prove it?

[@denis1632]

Spurs will surprise everyone this season, and if Postecoglou stays at the Club Spurs will fight for the title in 3-4 years, ofc also winning until then 1-2 trophies. I know maybe it sounds crazy but from what I've seen in these 5 rounds, Tottenham is playing football guys and when I say football i mean beautiful football they should even have 5 from 5, but Brentford got lucky.

[@allenqueen]

Asking the question: How would Brisbane do in the PL- to support the point of Ange being worse than Arteta; is the single most stupidest thing I've heard this season..

[@aircooledantics5347]

Flav far more neutral and open minded in the selection than Miles, who was just ridiculously partisan. The comments re Bissouma were nonsense.

[@mtaaaa6393]

Nah saying tottenham should have 3 of the back four is crazy. Declan Rice over Bissouma despite how good he’s been. I would go Son up top though

[@randy2152]

Arsenal fans are born deluded

[@mrbotan5416]

Because only Son and Madison get into this Arsenal team and even then there'd be some debate. Son, what he historically has done is carrying a lot of weight, he started well this season which helps. Madison i'd say is a sure starter over Havertz, so thats one guaranteed. It's harsh on Bissouma because everyone (Miles included if you watch Filthy Fellas) agree he's an unbelievable player. But right now he's behind both Partey and Rice, there's no debate there. But he has the quality and ability to reach their levels for sure. You don't need to be open minded when one team is leaps and bounds ahead of the other. Would you expect City fan to compare their team with Spurs? How many Spurs players would get into the City team? The same team Arsenal almost surpassed in the league last season? Spurs are playing good football and this season they will prove a lot of people wrong for sure, but they are competing for top 4 (5 now) while Arsenal are looking for a title.

[@kunrick1327]

Bisoumma? Guy sat out all season last year & suddenly he is better than rodri after 4 games lol 😂

[@pixelpeek9963]

@@mrbotan5416how can there be “no debate” that Bissouma is behind Partey and Rice? Partey is made of wheatabix and spends most the time injured, and even then there have been plenty of games that he’s been criticised for his lack of pace b determination if he gets beat. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, far from it, but you’re living in fantasy land if you think he’s in a different league to bissouma. There’s a good reason arsenal fans were crying out to sign him before Spurs did.

[@lemonlid]

I understand the statement made of why he thought Postecoglu is better than Arteta, but the way he made it was stupid

[@louismacco9311]

This aged hilariously well. Udogie had Saka pocketed the whole game and Biss absolutely bossed the midfield with Sarr. They were lucky to have two goals two very unlucky mistakes.

[@sebastianmatyka6027]

Biss couldn't match Declan in 1st half when he was around, only bad mistake by Jorginho made spurs shine, Saka scored 2 goals so how Udogie had him in the pocket? He is a good defender thou.

[@Rdx-op6xc]

​@@sebastianmatyka6027dont do if's and buts because without romero deflection and bad luck penalty they can't pass our goalkeeper😂

[@fabz7647]

@@sebastianmatyka6027wtf was you watching lol biss pocketed rice and odegaard come off it pal, Udogie pocketed saka lol saka got a big big deflected goal and a penalty pal still biss pocketed him, we gifted you 2 goals ffs your deluded as hell

[@Oliverfree666]

Bissouma gets in he's that good people have short memories. He was class for Brighton unreal dribbling ability to get out of tight spaces and now we are seeing it again. Rice can play as an 8 so i would have bissouma rice and odergard. Maddison unlucky not to get in

[@morlar]

Vicario, P.Porro, Saliba, Romero, Udogie, Bissouma, Ødegaard, Maddison, Saka, Son, Martinelli. 7-4

[@madhatter393]

Lol

[@TheJohnCooperShow]

Perfect XI

[@siddhanth3044]

Raya White, Saliba, Romero, Zinchenko Rice, Odegaard, Maddison Saka, Son, Martinelli

[@marcusmartin6349]

Ben White is miles clear of Pedro Porro

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

White wasn’t even starting at RB when Partey was fit lol

[@dunkno69]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall the reason for that was purely tactical

[@momo_du_bendo1239]

no zinny to invert so partey did@@Duval-In-The-Wall

[@dayko1329]

Proud of Miles I can see him going on a journey like Specs.

[@gmac742]

All this channel does is steal ideass haha

[@pierrezapata90]

They're taking about football. And the same matches that everyone will be talking about on any given week when they happen. Why are you watching? Baking recipes?

[@Invicibles441]

Did he say son is not getting over Eddie 😂. Omg son is so underrated

[@Thwze]

Whenever people compare arteta to other managers why does everyone always skip over the fact that arteta is literally 3 years into his first ever job as manager and has more trophies than spurs in over a decade

[@songbird5842]

Cause he doesn't have more trophies

[@gegenpress1695]

@@songbird5842he does. Arteta won a Fa cup which is more than your beloved spurs have won for decades. Don’t cry about facts

[@calumroche2851]

Because they were comparing managers. Look waht you wrote and give your head a wobble. Is Spurs a manager? Ange won 3 last season.

[@jorgedelarosa7550]

We won FA cups in the shittiest era for Arsenal. Spurs in their golden era won squat

[@StormierSm1tty]

I know Rory got triggered at Miles saying 'proof is in the pudding' lmao

[@samibrownbear]

Mckola is presenting really well. Great intro. See him majoring as a pundit 👍🏾👌🏾🤌🏾

[@samibrownbear]

Maturing*

[@phantomdasilva]

Completely correct not to discredit Ange achievement in "lesser league" such as with his time with Brisbane Roar. While the EPL has its own unique challenge such as more pressure and dealing with ego of famous players, and dealing with the elite coaches of the game, it's far more easier implementing an attacking football style in the EPL then in the A-league Have you noted that the further levels that Ange has progressed the quicker he has in implementing his style of football. Ange's Brisbane roar first season second bottom, Yokohamas first season battling relegation, Celtic struggled in the early 6 or so games. Tottenham immediately undefeated so far. Dealing with higher quality players there is no barrier in convincing them that they are capable of playing attacking football. You don't need to convince James Maddison that he has the ability to play attacking football. He knows he is capable of that. While in Brisbane Roar there was a nation wide culturally inferiority complex that attacking possession football is what happens overseas and that Australia does not have the skills or ability to dominate possession and games. Australia football players win games by being physical, working hard and showing "fighting spirit" not with possession, passing football and attempting to dominating games. Ange view was completely radical and revolutionary in Australia that our players are just as capable of playing possession football, he will show footage of peak Barcelona dismantling Real Madrid and said that was the standard to aim for and people thought he was naïve and quite frankly insane. This is the reason why it took a long time for the players to adapt as he has to challenge cultural inferiority complex, kick out senior players who didn’t believe that Australian players had the technical ability and build confidence to players who never played this way before and encourage them that they are good enough to play that style and quite frankly reverse lifelong cultural entrenched brainwashing telling them they aren’t good enough. He didn't have the reputation of a foreign superstar coach (and in fact was considered a joke after the Craig Foster interview) to help him convince the player. The fact that he was able to succeed and today is still considered the greatest A-league side of all time is a miracle. So when he arrive at Tottenham, this is quite frankly much more easy to get the buy in from players to convince elite players they are capable of dominating games and playing attacking football and we are seeing this with the quality start of the season.

[@p.a.t.79]

Someone who knows something and isn’t cornered by the English blinders. The way this guy shrugged off his achievements actually speaks levels to how clueless this Arsenal fan is.

[@ndexer]

Well said

[@phantomdasilva]

@@p.a.t.79 I think it’s understandable to dismiss coaching record based on the league he succeeded in. For example I doubt Aussie’s will defend Graham Arnold, Patrick Kisnorbo, Ernie Merrick, Kevin Muscat etc to the same degree who also won A-League titles as well. However context is king, it was the way he won the league titles that mark him as a coaching virtuoso not just the league title. IMO he was ready for EPL after he success at Brisbane Roar he just needed someone to give him the opportunity. Even Kevin Muscat who is now succeeding in Japan and has succeeded in Australia with attacking football has questions marks, as he has proven he was able to continue Ange success but has not proven to implement a style via revamping/rebuilding the squad

[@MemphesX]

I hope they actually see this be ause the Ange disrespect is unbelievable. The privilege and superiority complex you Poms have is incredible.

[@stephenmacdonald6093]

The pressure in the PL isn't the same as the pressure at an OF side. No PL club can understand that. No PL club is expected to win every single game home and away in every single domestic competition. The fact that Ange done that at celtic makes him a higher quality manager than arteta which I think will be shown by the end of the season

[@Dionysus66]

Agreed. He has more experience, has managed a variety of different clubs including the Aussie national team, he has revolutionised a lot of these teams and won competitions in every role he's been in. He's been persistently underrated his whole career, but it only makes him better.

[@stephenmacdonald6093]

@Minyvan66 he certainly has a higher pedigree than arteta has. Arteta hasn't been up to much at arsenal other than 1 strong season where he won nothing anyway. Something spurs get constantly beaten over the head with

[@sawarunan]

13:25 lol Bissouma not getting into the Brisbane Roars is crazy

[@doubletapthatdotty4597]

They’re on about arsenal no?

[@iamnores]

Saying Arteta has to go if he doesn't win the league is stupid AF. Why would he have to go? Who should come in and do the same with HIS players and HIS playing style?

[@BigDaz1882]

Gwarn Flav

[@user-dp5sm3jk2l]

this is why you cant debate Arsenal fans in football - "Jesus is better than Son!" What the **** is this guy smoking???

[@Lonnakkoful]

I hate Spurs, but kinda sympathized with Flav (even got his point on coaching in Australia). But when he said Bissouma over Rice and Partey I checked out.

[@user-dv4rh2my1x]

"What would Arteta do with Brisbane Roar" - exactly.

[@dannymason5873]

This Arsenal guy movking Spurs for losing the cup match against Fulham like Arsenal couldn’t beat them when Fulham had 10 men and Arsenal only scored their second goal because Saka tried to pull Bassey’s arm out of the socket and he was down on the byline for about 3 minutes which they ignored and played on! 😂🤣🤯

[@fangdog29]

You know spurs are going to smacked. Why do you even pretend otherwise

[@dannymason5873]

@@fangdog29 I’m not I can’t stand Spurs we knocked them out the cup!

[@beachrelax9702]

Judging Ange after 6 games isn't fair, judge Ange in 3 years when he wins the Treble. Amen. Pin.

[@comeon1503]

Not lost in 50+ home games in a row

[@MrNileM]

Spurs have beaten us in the league at the Emirates one time in about 20 years. They’re in for another defeat at the carpet this Sunday.

[@samuelfortune6435]

League yeah but we’ve knocked you out in a cup at your home ground

[@vexed_v]

@@samuelfortune6435Swear youve just been knocked out of the Carabao in the first round by Fulham B no one cares about knocking someone out in a cup unless you win it.

[@thomaswiedner2524]

@@vexed_v 9 different starting players lol

[@andymore62]

Having Adam narrate this debate is ridiculous. He hates Arsenal more than the Spurs fan does.

[@warisop]

Only 2 Spurs players get into the combined XI and we all know it. Son and Maddison, over Jesus (just because he's reinstalling himself in the first team after a nasty injury) and Maddison over Haverts/Vieira. That's it, and if you don't think that you don't know ball.

[@astaidi]

Combined 11, GK: Raya, LB: Udogie, CB: Gabriel and Saliba, RB: White, CDM: Rice, CM: Maddison and Odegaard, RW: Saka, ST: Son, LW: Martinelli. Depending on how this season goes, I could see myself pushing Maddison up to the wing and putting Bissouma in at CM, but I'm not doing that with 4-5 games played. Loved the signing of Yves, but this season is his proving ground under a good manager, not a stickler that's stuck in his ways.

[@EthanS95]

I always thought that Arsenal and United fans had the most deluded fans, but christ the delusions of Flav are actually something to be marveled at. Bissuma better than Rice, Spurs being built for knockout football, and the master of all, its the same to manage in the Australian league and the premier league. If any other fan said that they'd be slaughtered.

[@likkleliam_]

This arsenal fan is so obnoxious. Lost the debate when he said „but look at what wenger went on to win“.. acting like postecoglou hasn’t been in the prem since the summer. So we giving one time but not the other? What has arteta won then since coming in? Bottled top 4, the league..

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Is this done on current form and what players have done THIS season? Because then Udogie, Romero, Porro, Bissouma and Maddison are definitely in

[@celticbarry9877]

Van De Ven over Romero for me, Romero is good and I like him but Saliba is like a better version of him, more calm, slick, technical. Van De Ven is quality also, quicker than both of them, good on the ball and defends well also and I think like a better version of Gabriel.

[@CynisterHD]

Don’t know why miles can’t have a simple conversation and not laugh and be disrespectful every 5 seconds

[@nicholaspaliobagis8902]

Imagine thinking Bissouma isn't class.

[@jerotoro99]

Nobody’s saying that, he’s just saying he isn’t better than rice, which is true by the way

[@arsenesson8033]

blud said christian "own goal" Romero😭🙏

[@sammutphil]

Brutal interview... Past 10 years arsenal have been better. Simple. Its about trophies and Tottenham have none. Spurs are getting better and were closing the gap but for the guy on the right to say that there is little between the teams is just poor. Ang looks great and spurs are playing well, and could even beat arsenal on sunday but they are not be the better team. The pod should have stopped when the guy said management the aussie league is no different than the prem.

[@louiewatson1442]

Hypothetical thought experiment regarding weather it’s only about trophies and not league position. One team has won 3 trophies within the ten years but been relegated to the championship. The other has maintained top 4 in the PL but won nothing. Who’s the better club?

[@sammutphil]

decent scenario, but that is not the one we have. In the past 10 seasons its 6-4 in terms of finishing above eachother in spurs favour. With spurs finishing 2nd once and arsenal 2 times. if the ratio was 8:2 in favour of sprus, maybe... @@louiewatson1442

[@karlcs901]

@@louiewatson1442but Arsenal weren’t relegated to the championship so that’s irrelevant?

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Nketiah over Son is CRIMINAL, relax bruv 😂

[@sonofCW]

Miles is typical of an Arsenal fan. One decent season and now he's ABSOLUTELY deluded.

[@gegenpress1695]

“One decent season” 😂 you’re literally a spurs fan. You support a team that’s the laughing stock of the premier league. Brendan Rodgers had won more at Leicester than your banter club spurs have for decades 😂 talk about deluded 😂

[@karlcs901]

Bro Spurs fans are deluded after 5 decent games 😭

[@stuartswanton1676]

Miles said Arteta went into an Arsenal team who were in dire need of new philosophy, new system and giving them a lease of life which is all true, but we could potentially be saying that about Ange in a few months time. To do a comparison 5 games into a season is very harsh.

[@Blender589]

Yes few months time, not 5 games in.

[@Dionysus66]

​@@Blender589There's no point doing the combined XI then. It has to be clear, are we rating players solely on their current form this season? Are we rating them based on their legacy and careers? Do we count previous seasons? Are we building an XI that works, or just all the best individuals? Depending how you answer, the combined xi will be very different.

[@Chrismccollum85]

Last time I saw Flav do a combined team I nearly deleted my KZbin account. Knew he would come up with some nonsense here

[@dillon0492]

Ramsdale, Ben White, Saliba, Gabriel, Udogie, Rice, Odegaard, Maddison, Martinelli, Son, Saka No other starting XI is correct

[@slev6592]

Not putting Romero in the combined 11 is insanity.

[@HYPERVENTILATIONZ]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@andymore62]

Gabriel and Saliba are better. Romero was poor for large parts of last season.

[@slev6592]

@@andymore62 Gabriel and Saliba would be poor in a back three with dier and davinson Sanchez as well. Romero is a World Cup winner who is considered the best CB in the world by the greatest player of all time.

[@thomaswiedner2524]

@@andymore62 both would have been worse than romero in that shithole of a defense

[@HYPERVENTILATIONZ]

@@slev6592 thanks for the goal romero 👏🏻👏🏻✅✅✅

[@hallas706]

Unbiased fan here, idk what the spurs Donny are on about in the combined 11. Ramsdale White Saliba Gabriel Zinshenko Rice Maddison Oddegard Son Jesus Saka Only correct combined 11.

[@comeon1503]

Only correct Raya Udogie Romero Saliba Porro Bissouma Ødegaard Maddison Saka Son Jesus

[@simondlouhy8949]

This is a great format, with Buvey as a mediator tho, it would be legendary.

[@purplepatch25]

The things these kids miss is that, we didn't suddenly call Wenger a world class manager after we started playing good in his first few games.... We started calling him the professor after the stints he did at Arsenal not because of what he did elsewhere..

[@JammyDo]

Being an Arsenal fan. Even though we won trophies, Spurs had the better team, going into UCL final is a massive achievement in recent history even though it won't count or remembered.

[@martinford4553]

Saying that though as a spurs fan we got lucky to get that far. We should have been knocked out three times in that run. Barcelona during groups, Man City and then Ajax. The thing about spurs is we always have hope because we are good enough to do it but can never finish the task.

[@ashishbadoni2862]

Its trophies mate!! Man utd are piss poor right now but it doesnt take away the glory they have achieved. Spurs had glimpses of best but got derailed. Arsenal in their worse were able to get trophies.

[@therealpubby15]

Can’t wait for Jesus to score over son this weekend hahaha

[@TJW-YT]

Tottenham over the last 10 years were basically Arsenal during the late 2000s into early 2010s when it was RVP dragging the team to top four. That was Spurs and Kane. The first question is a bit awkward because Spurs were probably the better team over the last decade, that's why they finished above Arsenal 6 out of the 10 times compared to Arsenals 4, but I would expect 99% of Spurs fans would rather have the 4 FA Cups and 5 Community Shield wins in that time. United fans (Adam included) were saying they had a better season than Arsenal last year because they won a Carabao Cup - so, with that logic, only one winner when you look at 4 major honours compared to 0, or 9 compared to 0 if you wanna do the Sir Alex and include Community Shields. Also let's clear this up with this whole "Celtic are a big club because they won a European Cup in the 60s". Back then the format was a knockout format from the start, no groups. They played Zurich, Nantes, Vojvodina and Dukla Prague before facing Inter in the final. Celtic have never topped a CL group since the group stage was introduced and have only made it out of the group twice. They aren't this European royalty that people give them credit for.

[@edislettuce4218]

sorry to correct u because u make good points but Celtic made it out of the group stage 3 times, in 2006, 2007 and 2012, but nonetheless your point of celtic winning it in the 60's is true that there was no group stage. That's why i get mad whenever anyone says Forest have more UCL's then us but during that time it was easier to win because of less teams, we went through many matches to win our first UCL

[@GatherYeRosebudsWhileYeMay]

Why can’t Adam just not show a bias. Every single piece of content he puts out he’s never ever impartial. He backs up tottenham countless times, anything to spite arsenal such a petty dude.

[@GeorgeMJohnson5]

What's the point in having a debate if you're just going to disrespect Spurs? And let the cocky arsenal geezer talk over Flav when he's making valid points.

[@Enigma_FN]

Flav is so biased and doesn’t even try to hide it. Puts Pedro Porro at rb over Ben White purely because White isn’t a natural rb but then proceeds to put Son who isn’t a natural striker at striker. Plus putting in Udogie and Bissouma after 5 games is absolute insanity. You can’t even use the argument of I’m just going off based what I’ve seen of him in the prem with Bissouma cause he’s already been there a season and was bang average. Son and Maddison are the only ones that get in until the Likes of Udogie and Bissouma do it for a lot more than 5 games. Plus “Bissouma is the best defensive midfielder in the Prem” might be one of the most horrendous takes I’ve ever heard in my life