Can TT:120 Survive Longterm? - 2 Years On - A Model Railway Discussion

[@duncanmcgill9752]

I am an OO modeller and am becoming very impressed with TT. My aim is to build a TT layout for my grandsons as they don't have the space for OO scale.. I hope that the stock items increases to include SECR period rolling stock and locos.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Fantastic, that's brilliant to hear! It might be a while before they get round to SE&CR stuff (and Hornby have never fully leaned into the Pre-Grouping era anyway) but you never know... another manufacturer take a look it. Best of luck with the layout and thanks for watching 😃

[@DaveC1964]

I started modelling in tt:120 for the positives you spoke of, in my youth I modelled in N gauge, but on returning to the hobby, I found now turned 60 it was just too small a scale. TT is perfect for me I’ve even managed to go a step further, ballasting, landscaping, even chipping my tiny 08 shunter to dcc. Thanks for your videos on here, especially the tutorials, it’s given me a lot of confidence in trying new techniques. Lastly, I do think we should rejoice in anyone joining the hobby in any scale, the more the merrier 😊

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Great to hear you've found TT to be the right scale for you and it's fantastic that you've been able to make more progress with your layout. Best of luck with it and thanks for watching 😃

[@HighFell]

Nicely balanced review 2 years on. I started High Fell as Hornby TT:120 was announced, 2 months before Hornby’s range arrived and you are spot on with offering a point of view based on genuine experience. One mistake many of the ‘experts’ make is by saying ‘that wouldn’t happen’ often some research shows things did, like A4s on freight and even shunting! The models are beautifully detailed and well made and we have the right scale/gauge combination for the first time in RTR UK outline modelling. I’m sure as the ranges grow in depth we will see more prototypical layouts emerge, just like in O, OO and N. An interesting feature of TT:120 has been that it is being bought to build layouts with, not so much by collectors or just kept as basic ‘train sets’ that aren’t developed. I would suggest in year 5, TT:120 will be one of the top 2 selling scales (new) in the UK and the hobby will be much bigger than it is now.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

It really does seem that a lot of the naysayers are people who have no experience with the scale from a practical sense. While I was never against TT:120, I do fully understand the reasoning for it a lot better now that I've actually built a layout in the scale. For those who seem insistent to drag it down my advice would be just to move on and pretend it doesn't exist. It hardly makes any difference either way and it allows those who do enjoy the scale to enjoy their hobby in peace 😅 Thanks for watching 👍

[@MarkJT1000]

Its certainly brought me into the hobby from having no real interest in model railways before and I'm loving it, my credit card bills are testament to that 🤣 I am modelling around eras 4 and 5 so I'm having to be patient waiting for more locos and wagons to become available. Unfortunately it all seems to be taking far longer than I expected for new releases and restocking to take arrive at Hornby, which does worry me.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

That's fantastic to hear and this is what I feel TT:120 (and by extension the whole hobby) is all about. Getting new people to engage and take is a fantastic achievement. Don't forget that delays happen in every scale and this isn't strictly a TT:120 problem or even a Hornby specific problem. Perhaps in the future they would be better to keep things secret until release (which I suspect they already are doing) but then people will complain that there's nothing new coming so they can't really win 😅 Thanks for watching 🤩

[@RodericCeorlred]

Will TT:120 survive in the long term? Well, that same question was to be heared here in Germany in the years 1990-1992, when after the reunification, the last big manufacturer of TT models of that time, Berliner TT-Bahnen got in very serious financial trouble. After a period of numerous and quick changes in ownership and management of Berliner TT, the company was finally acquired by Tillig Modelleisenbahnen and were converted to Tillig TT, a brand existing to this day. In comparison, Hornby's TT:120 range has not been in such troubles at all. Yes, of course, we are all waiting for the 66s, where the deliveries had been delayed... again. But there is a substantial range of models and accessories that allows for building a convincing (and most important, satisfying) TT:120 layout. And the amount of quality models that were made available in the last two years is still astonishing to continental TT 1:120 modellers. Arnold have announced their Vossloh DE18 diesels in TT scale about three years ago, and it has been delivered in November 2024, just in these days, and that's it. Tillig's 2022 announcement of Baureihe 78 tank engines is still not out yet. Just for a quick comparison - and nobody in Germany does foresee the ehd of TT 1:120 to be at hand. On the other hand, Hornby's TT:120 models are selling well here. Almost all the TT modellers I have been speaking to are satisfied with their British outline models that fit well to TT scale, and these models have become beloved additions to their existing continental-outline layouts, be they German or Czech or Polish or what not else. They may not be prototypical, but it's fun to see them running out in the wild. They just don't understand that lamenting that some British modellers are constantly moaning about: the end of Hornby, the futility of TT and so on. It is a wonderful scale with wonderful models already available and lots of accessories that have been made to scale. It's a great developnemt, seeing that almost nothing of all this was here two years ago!

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Delays with new models are (frustratingly) the norm as in the grand scheme of things they're to really an essential to life. It's also that thing manufacturers are more cautious these days about getting a product right, even if that means delaying it over rushing it out. But it's great to hear that Hornby's TT range is doing well on the continent and is satisfying customers over there too. Knowing how high quality European models tend to be I was curious as to how Hornby's much more simple models would be received but it does seem like it's doing well. To be honest I don't really understand moaning about TT/Hornby/etc either. I think some people just like to have something to moan about but the silent majority are generally pretty happy. They don't tend to complain online that much because they're busy happily playing trains! Thanks for watching 😃

[@RodericCeorlred]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Hornby TT locos have a reputation to be reliable runners, and modellers do understand that a less complex prototype does mean a less complex model than a Tillig Baureihe 01, just as an example. There had been some motor issues with the A1/A3/A4 three-pole motors with some of these burning out after just a couple of running hours. But Hornby customer service do react quickly when these faulty models are sent in for repair, which is another bonus, compared to some manufacturers here on the continent (hello Roco!) and to be honest, motor issues with my A4 Falcon were the only ones I have experienced to this day. No ever-returning search missions for fallen-off details on the layout (Roco Baureihe 44), no need for extensive wheel and track cleaning after just one running hour (Tillig Baureihe 01), just put your A4 or your Duchess on the tracks, couple it up to its train and run them for hours is what modellers over here enjoy. We're hoping to enjoy more of these wonderful models in the future, and may that be a long-lasting future!

[@benbedothu]

Thank you very much for this reply, as a ČSD/MÁV TT modeller, I feel exactly the same! It's great having Hornby in the TT family and I did my best supporting them. even though it doesn't fit into the prototype I model, I bought an almost complete HST set (I don't even have the room to run it) with two HM7000 decoders, because I had been dreaming about owning an HST model since I first saw them in a 1993 Lima catalogue. Ever since I was sure that I'll never own one, as I had to model in TT due to the size of my family's flat, and then, by a miracle, here they are. I love them! But of course, in the 1990s I thought I would never see an HST from up close, as travelling to the UK was financially impossible for a Hungarian elementary school student. And now I get to travel to the UK every few years, either for work or as a tourist, and had my fair share of spotting HSTs in England and Scotland. TT is great, and I wish the best to all UK TT:120 modellers!

[@trevorbellTT120]

I'm one of the new people brought into the hobby by TT120. I love it, and wouldn't model in anything else. I was encouraged at the NEC to hear Peco have plans for more rolling stock in the scale, other manufacturers were open to dipping their toes in the water.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Fantastic, it's always great to hear of new people coming into the hobby regardless of the scale. Yes there's definitely a lot of work going on behind the scenes and it'll be exciting to see where the scale goes next. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Rick70567]

I was selling off my Hornby OO, after it just sat there for years getting dusty ! I visited the Hornby website to get an idea of current prices where I discovered TT for the first time. Now, two years later I have it all ! Love it to bits :)

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

That's certainly an interesting way to get back into the hobby and shows there's no one clear path to taking up TT:120. Thanks for watching 😃

[@andyherb]

In the hornby tt:120 catalogue they have mentioned about the next Loco's they'll do include 9F, Britannia and Black 5 to name a few, also alot of coaches and wagons they have planned to release. For Peco they have hinted about another wagon coming sometime next year. So alot to look forward for the scale!

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

And remember it's not just Hornby and PECO now, there's plenty of new manufacturers getting involved like Revolution, Modelu, WHWW, MSModels... to name just a few. Thanks for watching 😃

[@andyherb]

Exactly, just yesterday I placed orders with WHWW for lamps, huts, hunt couplings and another with Modelu for there new Colour Printed Footplate Crews! Should really bring some life to my layout!

[@davidharle952]

Great video, thanks. As a pensioner living in a very small bungalow the TT 120 has been perfect for me, I had a board made up and it stands on its edge in the hallway, It's carried in to the room when I want to use it. I thought of N Gauge but I'm afraid with my clumsy hands it's rather too small for me, so TT is just about right, still a bit fiddly but at least I'm enjoying building and using the layout. Hopefully it will go from strength to strength and Hornby will support it long into the future.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Great stuff and it's fantastic to hear that TT has given you an opportunity to have a layout in a small space while still being reasonable to handle. Thanks for watching 😃

[@RG-Models86]

I think we can safely say that TT120 is here to stay. 👍 Hornby got the ball rolling, and no doubt other manufacturers will jump on board in the future.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

It does seem to be that way. If the old Triang TT3 stuff is still being used by people to this day then I can't see TT:120 disappearing anytime soon - despite some people's wishes 😅 Honestly as Hornby and PECO's ranges continue to grow I think more manufacturers will start to see things that they could compliment with their own products. Thanks for watching 👍

[@MemberOfCast]

TT gauge appears to be on a promising path to becoming established in the UK. It began similarly in Germany and has been successfully present in the market for over 40 years. Particularly in Eastern Germany, TT is highly popular. It serves as an excellent compromise when H0/OO is too large for the available space and N gauge is too small to manage.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

To my eyes this is definitely where TT:120 shines and it'll be interesting to see whether Hornby can find a customer base for their range with continental TT modellers too. With several European brands under their umbrella and the Class 66 on the way this seems to be on their radar already. Thanks for watching 😃

[@nickbyrne1962]

Well done! That was a very incisive, balanced, and informative review of TT120 scale two years on from its inception. I currently model in N Gauge and am very aware that as the years advance my eyesight and dexterity might not be conducive to continuing to model in this scale - and TT120 may well provide me with a viable alternative in years to come.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Glad you enjoyed it. That's a really interesting perspective that I hadn't considered. Usually people think of O Gauge as being the "senior scale" but I can definitely see TT having it's advantages for those who previously modelled in N. Thanks or watching 😃

[@garthcox4307]

As a general observation, peco manufacture in the UK as do dapol to an increasing extent, yet their prices are often cheaper than the made in China brands. It's time that production and jobs were brought home as its clearly possible.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

There's a big difference between manufacturing track and (generally fairly simple) rolling stock in the UK. With Dapol in particular I believe their tooling is still done in China and their finely detailed locos are still made entirely in China. If it were actually a realistic prospect to bring all production back to the UK then newer companies like Accurascale and Rapido would have started out with that. Thanks for watching 👍

[@russellhodges1009]

I was looking for this scale but didn't know it would ever exist. 00 was a bit too big and N too small, i went to a local show about 3 years ago and thought N would be the only option to get a bit of decent running on a loop. When i saw TT announcement i dived in and two years on it's absolutely gorgeous. I don't care about what is running behind any engine because I'm not a train buff.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Fantastic, this is great to hear and sounds like you're the perfect candidate for TT:120. It's definitely interesting to see a new group of modellers come through who aren't necessarily concerned about how realistic the layout or trains are and I think that mindset is what a lot of traditional modellers are struggling to understand. Thanks for watching 😃

[@colint7583]

Great video. I'm another modeller who returned to railways because of TT120. To the people who say their isn't enough to buy, look at the state of my bank account, I seem to spending far too much on the scale 😂😂😂

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

That's fantastic to hear! Yeah I feel your pain there 😅 It's certainly impressive to see the amount that Hornby have released in the last two years. I don't think any other manufacturer has achieved that in a single scale during the same timeframe. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Michaelgoestofrance]

I've been a Continental HO and N modeller for years. However, TT:120 brought me back to British modelling. My main interests are eras 7 and 8. To be honest, I'm quite happy with the pace of releases for those eras. The scale is a bit of a side project for me but is one I definitely intend to continue to expand. I'm hoping the upcoming 37 and 31 have liveries for eras 7 and 8 (I'm guessing they will to accompany what has been released so far). One thing - it may be worth mentioning the upcoming wagon by Revolution Trains. It's a very tentative step into the scale but it's a start and interesting nonetheless.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

The pace of releases has definitely been decent, I don't know of another manufacturer who has released the same amount of newly tooled products in a single scale over the last 2 years. I would hope that Hornby see the potential of the 37 and 31 and while I doubt we'll get an huge Accurascale style range, it definitely provides lots of options for future releases down the line. Thanks for watching 😃

[@VictoryWorks]

I think your summary of it currently being "the in between" scale is spot on. Not only in between for it's size but more about who it's appealing to. It can't currently appeal to the "prototype" modellers because there's just not enough RTR (and also second hand) or accessories (everything that's not rolling stock) available to create a good depiction of a single area/era whereas OO and N can do that. However it's clearly a lot more than a starter set generic 0-4-0 with some basic wagons on an oval. One day it might have enough scope to be able to create legitimate "prototype" model railways but today it's not at that point. I think that's why it's struggling to be appreciated by a lot of existing modellers.. because it's a model train product from a company that has been THE name in UK model trains for decades, but it's not for us! We're not the intended customers.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Absolutely, it's not necessarily aimed at "proper" railway modellers and that's totally fine - but it also doesn't mean that it's not worthwhile, especially if it's bringing new people into the hobby. I think the Hornby Steampunk range was an example of how TT could have gone. Again that was a range not aimed at railway modellers but because it was done cheaply and didn't really have much general appeal it was dropped fairly quickly. Hornby have learnt from their mistakes though and TT in comparison is much better range for the casual enthusiast. Thanks for watching 😃

[@bentullett6068]

I am mostly a 00 gauge modeller but seeing this scale has definitely made me consider it. Only issue is the lack of rolling stock and different region and era models because current most of the steam locomotives and pre 1970's rolling stock has been LNER express focused, which is not a bad thing but it doesn't get the interests of those who like the GWR, Southern or LMS locomotives and rolling stock. Hopefully more will arrive and hopefully some of the manufacturers who were doubting the scale will eventually be brave enough to produce locomotives to help expand the scales interest.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

And equally if they had tried to cover every region they would have spread the range far too thin and people would still complain so they can't really win. Starting with A3 and A4 was a given considering how popular they are in 00. Building those out with subsequent releases, especially with the upcoming J50, makes building an LNER themed layout a more realistic prospect now. And those who specifically want to model SR and GWR do have plenty of other scales to model in. I imagine Hornby (or other manufacturers) will get there eventually but I think it's unrealistic to expect the scale to be everything for everyone right from the get go. Thanks for watching 😃

[@gregmacdonald927]

Excellent update. Think we now need more to take the plunge and get to exhibits with their layouts, as you managed with Teaton. Catch up soon

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

It'll start to happen over the next few years I think. Obviously my layout was built in 6 months which is bit ridiculous but others will more likely take their time. It is also possible too that if most TT modellers are more casual that they don't necessarily want to exhibit their layouts. Not everyone is all in on the hobby - there's a lot of people who just do the occasional bit on a Sunday afternoon and then leave it for the rest of the week. Thanks for watching 😃

[@vaudevillian7]

I hope so, it’s the scale I’ve wanted to see brought back here for a long time, sadly I’ve not bought any yet because there’s nothing available I want to model

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

The question there is, do you wait until there is something you want to model or do you support the scale while it's getting going to give it a better chance for the future. There's no right or wrong answer to that by the way, I'm just wondering aloud. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Proper_Chuffed]

This was such a well angled video mate, you’ve nailed it. Very insightful and thought provoking. I do hope Hornby expand their tooling into both the Souther and GWR going forward, I think that will help a lot of those on the fence take the plunge. Keep up your exceptional work, you’re an inspiring leader in this space. Hylt

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I suspect they will at some point - they've already hinted at their future plans. But equally adding more models to the eras/regions they're already catering for makes those even stronger rather than spreading the range to thin. Thanks for watching 😃

[@speleokeir]

From what Hornby said about the initial phases it sounds like Southern will be last. GWR Castles, GWR Prairies and GWR 5700 pannier tanks have been mentioned, plus LMS black 5s, LNER J94s, BR 9fs and Britannias. For diesel class 37s, 47s and 60s.

[@muir8009]

It's wonderful to see so many positive comments here. Not only regarding tt, but also Hornby's efforts. And for all those who mention Hornby's financial issues: they seem to overlook bachmanns parent companies deep financial issues. Just seems to be Hornby bashing. Anyway, I have just bought my first hornby tt set. An oddity as I've been with continental tt for the last 30 odd years. However it's just I really like the size, not for space, or detail: it's the size that just works so well for me. And with this in mind, apart from the fact I adore A4's, I got the British because it's tt scale. And just a comment regarding the range, I feel people forget it took nearly 20 years before dublo got more than 4 locos. Triang took nearly a decade to reach anything remotely like the current tt range after two years. British trix went through the sixties with around four locos, Graham farish had three, Lionels first years had a representation of the NYC S motor, that was it, so really, we're almost spoilt with the current British tt range. I waited nearly 2 years for my preordered tillig E77. Tillig had two preorders at the same time, the BR78 and E77. Such was the popularity of the E77 tillig had to put the BR78 on hold, and the E77 still took 2 years. The only bugbear I have is why did they name it tt120? It's just tt. The triang range was deliberately given the name of tt3 to differentiate it from tt scale. So the tt120 nomenclature differentiates it from tt3 which differentiates it from tt. Anyway, great video, and so positive. One of the amusing things is you mention people might think you're biased because you like the scale. And yeah, that's because you like the scale and are happy with it. Most of the negativity appears to come from those who don't own tt, and have no interest in the scale.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Yes it does seem like a lot of people who have issues with TT:120 are people who have issues with Hornby in general (whether valid or not) and the new scale is just the latest target. I definitely agree though that very few scales have had such a good start. While it's impossible for Hornby to keep everyone happy, the fact they've released so much in 2 years alone shows their commitment to the scale I think. Sure modern manufacturing has definitely helped but then the models of today are much more complicated and involved than those in the past. I suspect the reason TT:120 was chosen is that, in the UK, most railway modellers still associate TT with TT3. It's interesting that both Peco and Heljan referred to it as TT:120 so presumably Hornby followed their lead on that one. Thanks for watching 😃

[@modelrailfan37]

Great video! I’m of the opinion that TT can survive as long as more companies get involved so that more and more models are made, and I’m really hoping that say Bachmann, Dapol, and Accurascale join TT120. Also out of curiosity are you doing an advent calendar this year? I saw Sam’sTrains shorts and it made me think of your calendar series from last year and the year before, but I haven’t seen any videos pop up yet

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I very much doubt we'll see Bachmann get involved as they already have N, 00, 009 and now NG7 to worry about. Similarly Dapol have N, 00 and O... perhaps Accurascale might take a look in the future but I think they're playing it fairly cool at the moment. No advent calendar this year I'm afraid. It was a lot of work last year and didn't really get much interest so I've focused my time on other festive content instead... all to be revealed soon! Thanks for watching 😃

[@modelrailfan37]

@ that’s true that Bachmann and Dapol are already involved with lots of scales, but honestly them branching out a lot is what is making me think they might do TT. I totally get why you aren’t doing the advent calendar if it was a lot of work, I’m looking forward to your other Christmas videos!

[@stevebendell702]

I have just started out with model railways, I always wanted one but size was an issue, not enough space to create a decent layout in OO, N gauge to fiddly for my flat fingers. I have been following the progress of TT since its launch, or since I saw the start on the Hornby TV series. I have now just purchased a starter set to get myself going with the intention to crreate a layout in the new year. Unfortunately it has been sent back to TMC with a Loco fault, so all on pause temporarily. I was inspired by your TT layout. Thank you.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Great to hear you're looking to make a start in TT - although less great about the faulty loco. Hopefully TMC can get it sorted for you fairly quickly so you can get going properly. Thanks for watching 😃

[@DavidJones-hd1jj]

An excellent, balanced video. Thank you.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Glad you enjoyed it David. It's nice to be able to delve deeper into these sorts of topics. Thanks for watching 🤩

[@lukecarruthers]

A really interesting overview thank you! Having "returned" to the hobby about 6 years ago TT:120 wasn't around to choose at that point. Had it been, and with the amount of products available now, I might well have opted to restart in the new scale, having has 00 as a child. With the amount of it available at launch I still think I'd have stayed in 00. Very interesting to hear the "more relaxed" point being put across so well too. Space wise I do think it's a winner.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I definitely think TT will only continue to get stronger as the range grows, though I can definitely appreciate the fact that for the first year there wasn't much available. I really do think the casual of the hobby is much better catered for now, especially at a time where it seem manufacturers are heading more and more towards niche prototypes and additional gimmicks which not everyone (beginners especially) are going to want or need. Thanks for watching 😃

[@lukecarruthers]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Absolutely agree. I've got at least one of said prototypes in my collection and another planned purchase but totally get that mainstream models for TT:120 are they way to go. Did you notice whether the multi gauge test track at the NEC had TT:120 on it? There was so much to see I didn't take note.

[@Section....7-k5f]

Always been OO guy. But lack of space always an issue. Hornby recent Tt sale , filled my boots. Hornby also sorted out exporting so no hidden charges or problems and reward points were good as well. Got the Scotsman’s set with sound including all export costs and post to Germany for under €200 and also got reward points against next purchase. Also Germany has a good TT scene and tillig track works with Hornby so all good. 👍.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Awesome, great to hear the sales have tempted you into the scale - I suspect that was a big part of why they were held and not, as some scathingly reported, to try and get rid of TT stuff quickly. Great to hear you're able to mix it with the Tillig stuff too - again I think here in the UK we often forget that TT is popular on the continent too. Thanks for watching 😃

[@anthknill]

I’m new to the hobby just starting out. Like many others I was gripped by the Hornby program and TT scale with simon kohler flying the flag. I’ve got a few models of various locos and stock. Everything I have im impressed with and would recommend the scale to anyone thinking about it. Great video as always and have enjoyed your TT journey 👍

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Great to hear from someone who is also enjoying the scale. Often we only hear from those who have had problems or want to be negative about things but we often forget there's a silent majority of people who are more than happy with TT. Thanks for watching 😃

[@duncanmcgill9752]

Meant to say, what an excellent and informative video, thank you.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching 👍

[@yorkiepudd2]

Very interesting video and lots of relevant points. As an aside, I've used Derails after seeing them mentioned on here and the prices, and service, with outstanding 👍

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Really glad you enjoyed it and great to hear you've had a good experience with Derails too! I wouldn't recommend them if I didn't 100% believe in their service. Thanks for watching 😃

[@paulsummerside]

Interestingly it’s the TT120 scale the spurred my renewed interest in model railways after numerous decades away from it. My initial conclusion after a certain amount of research into the periods I wanted to model and the types of engines I wanted to have, I ended up going with 00 scale. And have now gathered an example of each type of locomotives I want and am going to have a layout based upon the now abandoned coastal railway that used to exist where I moved to. Of course this does me using 00 rather than TT or N scale it does limit me. Thing is, when Hornby do increase their ranges, TT would probably offer what I initially wanted. Just not yet.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

But the interesting thing there is that it was the launch of TT:120 that initially piqued your interest even if you did go down the 00 range in the end. Thanks for watching 😃

[@paulsummerside]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy And of course I may yet go down the TT 120 route at a later stage as more models applicable the my aims.

[@PeggyDez]

I'm a TT:120 convert 🤣 I ditched OO and N because in N and OO there's a massive selection. But if you model a specific region, there's chances you'll wait ages for a particular model. N and OO have become expensive. With TT:120 since the selection is small, you don't risk over spending. Also as per one of their recent financial reports TT:120 was actually one of their most profitable ranges. So it's doing exceedingly well. Many many many retailers have reported that sales are strong. And everything is selling out.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

This is definitely a consideration for my Dad who has got into the hobby through TT - he's not overly concerned about having a large collection and is quite happy with the limited choice that's currently available. Yes I agree that TT does seem to be working for Hornby. I'll be interested to see what the reports for this financial year look like given that it's been quite a busy year for the scale. Thanks for watching 😃

[@shaunlockitt-jx1zd]

I live in Australia and model Queensland Railways in HOn3.5 which runs on 12mm track,I also have had a love of British steam. I am thinking very seriously of buying some TT:120 trains to run every now and then. I have been looking at them in the shops and am impressed with the detail, I think it has big future as I believe any new people coming in to the hobby may find this an attractive option because of its size and after all it is the proper scale.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Awesome, sounds like a fantastic idea and if you already have the track to run it on why not give it a go. I wonder if you could have some interchangeable scenic items to fit the different scales... certainly food for thought! Thanks for watching 😃

[@madmerlinsart]

Lovely round up of the gauge. I hope Hornby have something planned, a Christmas or New Year reveal is what I'm expecting. As for myself I've finally committed and brought the wood for my baseboard, even if I don't have a design in mind. But after putting some track down on the boards I got I'm now considering an end-to-end, possibly U shaped layout.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I think Christmas/New Year is wishful thinking. If they had an announcement they would have made it at the NEC last week. New Year is typically their 00 gauge range launch and I suspect they'll want to keep the announcements separate for the moment. Personally I don't think we'll see the next TT:120 announcement until Feb/March once the Class 66 and J50 have been released. Fantastic news - great to hear you've taken the first step and are coming up with layout plans too. Best of luck and thanks for watching 🤩

[@madmerlinsart]

@ThatModelRailwayGuy yeah true. That's what happened this year.

[@richardfenngriffin2406]

I completely agree, the model railway camp is a big tent and there's room for all scales in it. I think a little of the apprehension around it's launch was the worry that OO or N would lose out due to resources concentrated on TT. This has turned out not to be the case, especially with N, and I think most modellers are now comfortable with the new addition to the model railway family. Personally, I've modelled in N for years primarily because of what I want to achieve in the space I have. I can see TT has a real advantage here as they do seem to hit a sweet spot between the two most popular scales. However, I've been reluctant to start anything in TT as the models released are from very disparate eras and if you trying to model a particular locality (or prototype) this is a major disadvantage. However, I accept all your arguments and the hobby is very broad and above all its about having fun.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

TT120 is only 0.48mm/foot larger than N Gauge, so why bother with a new scale. Back when Triang launched their 3mm/ft version of TT it was slap-bang between N and OO and failed to make any in roads into the market in an age before the invention of home computers. Triang TT lasted a decade in production. Whilst there is space in railway mode.ling for all scales and gauges there are not enough people for all of them.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Yeah it definitely feels like there's space for TT:120 in the hobby and there's a lot of people taking an interest in it. If you already model in N Gauge I wouldn't say it's worth stepping away from that unless you have good reason but for newcomers TT certainly seems like a viable option (especially if you're not worried about prototypical modelling) that offers a great compromise on space while still giving the models a bit more presence and ease of use over TT. Thanks for watching 😃

[@andrewhotston983]

Derails are indeed an excellent model shop - very reliable and friendly.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Great to hear another vote of confidence for Derails. Definitely a great model shop in my experience too - there's a reason why I consistently recommend them. Thanks for watching 👍

[@jwg72]

TT:120 forces mixing stock/eras due to the limited number of RTR options - but it is worth noting that the guage is more prototypical than OO scale... so in some ways it could end up being more prototypical (if it survives).

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

It's certainly more prototypical in terms of the track gauge in comparison to the body shell. That along with TT:120 being a well established scale outside the UK already is a big reason why Hornby didn't go back to the TT3 scale. Thanks for watching 😃

[@stephendavies6949]

Hello again. If I was starting out in the hobby, I would definitely seriously consider TT120. It's a sweet spot between 00 & N. I like running prototypically long trains, and these would be far easier to achieve in TT than they are in 00.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I think there's a fair few people who, if they weren't already invested in a particular scale already would consider TT:120. Thanks for watching 😃

[@BuggleskellyStation]

We've been asked for more TT120. We already sell buildings and figures in TT120 but wer're bringing out our first wagon in 2025 too :)

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

This is good to hear and it definitely feels like there's great support from smaller manufacturers like yourself where 3D printing is a lot more flexible in terms of rescaling existing products. Looking forward to seeing your wagon next year... I presume this is a custom print on a PECO wagon? Thanks for watching 😃

[@benbedothu]

Additonal models British modellers may want to pay attention to are the European prototypes that are equipped with hooks to be tied down on ferries. Many of them didn't actually go to Britain a lot of times, but for example a boxcar made by Hädl is actually not only equipped with the hooks but is made to the British loading gauge. I can imagine that those boxcars were more frequently spotted on British land further away from Dover than other European prototype vehicles.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Certainly wouldn't be terrible to put behind the Class 66 along with the wagons from Hornby and Revolution just for some extra variety. Thanks for watching 👍

[@charlesscaling9466]

The additional scale is probably a good thing for companies. The problem with model railway products is they rarely wear out or get thrown out. There’s a humongous secondhand market with models lasting for decades. This makes it hard for manufacturers to keep selling stuff which we see because they’re either continually attempting to add details (which makes the models more expensive and fragile) which many people don’t need or they’re making models of increasingly obscure prototypes in an attempt to keep selling to people. Therefore a new scale in a more compact size makes a lot of sense for companies as it could be an entirely new market

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

There is something to this. Previously we've seen a big increase in detail which has kept modellers making repeat purchases - look at a model from the 90s compared to one from 2010 for example. What's interesting is whether the level of detail will start to plateau and if that's why we're seeing manufacturers moving towards additional features like smoke/lights/moving fans/etc to keep things fresh. Certainly there's a lot of newer models where the older versions stand up quite well again again the more modern counterparts - the Bachmann and Hornby 9Fs are a good example of this. The Hornby one is (in my opinion) better but if you already owned a Bachmann example there's no real reason to upgrade. Whether TT:120 will have modellers moving to a new scale though is doubtful I think - especially when the level of detail on these smaller models is not quite up to the same standards of 00 just yet. Thanks for watching 😃

[@briancooper562]

I do not know about Hornby but my first set was TT in the 1960's (early brown plastic set track similar to Marklin M). Also Tillig (European profiles) have been doing TT for years (since 1945). There are also HOm meter narrow gauge which uses 12mm track and point work.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

This video (and by extension the channel) exclusively deals with the UK side of the hobby so while TT has been around for years worldwide, it's the first time TT:120 has been available in the UK. Hope that helps and thanks for watching 😃

[@henrybest4057]

What TT120 needs to succeed is for other big manufacturers (Bachmann, Dapol, Accurascale, etc) to come onboard. Only that kind of competition will keep the scale growing. Without it, I don't see a long term future for the scale. Too many modellers (and clubs) are committed to other scales for it to succeed.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

But why does it need existing modellers to take the plunge when it's already doing very well with newcomers and casual modellers. While I would love to see more major manufacturers come on board, if it carries on like it has done so far with Hornby regularly bringing out more models then personally I think it'll be absolutely fine - it won't grow to become the most popular scale but that doesn't seem to be intentional anyway. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Perchpole]

I spoke to the Hornby rep at the NEC last weekend. They were showing off the new moulds for their forthcoming class 37 locos. I asked why they hadn’t launched the TT range with a ubiquitous favourite like the 37s - which everyone would want? He didn’t have an answer. Stupid is…

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

That's an easy one to answer - because they launched with an even more ubiquitous favourite the A3s and A4s. As has been said time and time again, Hornby can't make everything all at once. The fact that the Class 37 will be one of the first 10 locos in the range shows that they know how popular it is. Thanks for watching 😃

[@andrewstevenson5449]

A good, balanced video. I modelled in HO and N 1:160 for many years, partly because foreign manufacturers simply made better models in the second half of the last century, but mainly because the scale to gauge ratio is correct (EM and P4 with all the necessary scratchbuilding then were simply not on the cards. What has brought me back to railway modelling is TT, and the fact that for the first time ever British and European models are the same scale, so i can mix and match without compromise.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

And for everyone that wonders why Hornby didn't go back to the old Train TT3 - this is why. It's nice that we finally have a RTR scale in the UK with a prototypical track gauge and the mixing of stock will definitely be a big bonus in the future. I can see Hornby's upcoming Class 66 being very popular as a result of this. Thanks for watching 😃

[@NewModelRailway1]

I am quite encouraged by the vibe of enthusiasm for the TT:120 scale which is confirmed by the voices from the crowd still saying 'I want some of these locos/wagons' or 'I want something from this era/region'. There is an inherent market positivity embedded in those statements and it's down to Hornby to satisfy those demands (as quickly as they can) in order to maintain the momentum. With reference to the 'TT:120 Sale', there are only so many Easterner sets (and other stuff) that the market will currently absorb so the excess needed to be offloaded (for various reasons). Think about it, you won't sell an Easterner set to someone who already has an Easterner set (at least not at full price). The punters want something extra, so therefore there is still a hungry market for TT:120 products and a passion for the scale itself.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

The interesting point to note is that the negativity is only fuelled by the fact that lots of people are taking up TT:120. If no-one was interested in the scale then it would have been forgotten. It does seem to be the inherent success of the scale - and especially a win for Hornby in particular - is what peeves the naysayers the most. Let's not forget that The Eastener sets were pretty much sold out for the first year of TT. I suspect Hornby have since over produced to satisfy that demand. Now that they've got a better idea of how few/many to produce we should see this situation less in the future. Thanks for watching 😃

[@ronnyskaar3737]

Very interesting. I like the TT scale due to space. But remember you were able to produce a lot of buildings and walls yourself. Do you think for instance Metcalfe and others will deliver TT soon? Would be interesting to hear third party manufacturers views.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

And as I said in the video, the majority of the stuff I made for they layout I then made available for others to buy from my shop at the lowest possible price. We still have a few kits to go but additionally there are also plenty of other options out there from other manufacturers like MS Models and the Hornby Magazine range too. Metcalfe have ruled themselves out of TT:120 unfortunately. I think it would have been brilliant but apparently it would require machinery to be set up in a different way so it's not feasible which is a shame. We do have more and more manufacturers coming into the scale though. Look at Revolution and I know there are a couple of others keeping an eye on it behind the scenes in case there's something in their existing ranges that might compliment a future TT release. Thanks for watching 😃

[@ronnyskaar3737]

@ThatModelRailwayGuy Thanks. Will be exciting to see.

[@Dylanstrainz]

These. Videos are changing my mind about tt 120

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Hopefully in a good way! The scale does seem to have got an unnecessary amount of hate and while I'm not trying to convince anyone to take up the scale, it would be nice if some of the more vocal "haters" could pipe down for a bit 😅 Thanks for watching 👍

[@paulgilbert9346]

When I was 7 in the 1960s my parents bought me a TT rail set for Christmas. TBH I was far too young for it and ended up destroying it. However, it did give me the railway bug. I ended up moving to OO because TT had died as a scale in the UK and this is what worries me. TT died in the 1960s because there was only one manufacturer producing stock in the UK. Sadly I don’t see the likes of Bachman, Dapol or any of the smaller manufacturers being really interested in TT (Peco gets an honourable mention for trackwork and limited rolling stock of course). They say that history has a habit of repeating itself. I really hope that another large manufacturer emerges soon both for Hornby and the scale’s sake.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Bachmann and Dapol won't take on TT:120 as they already have multiple scales they work on. For Bachmann in particular 009 and NG7 both fill the comparable slot that TT does for Hornby. But I know there are some smaller manufacturers who are keeping an eye on TT and if Hornby announce anything that they could possibly compliment with a releases of their own they'll look into producing it. Revolution are a prime example of this. We've also seen huge support for the scale among smaller manufacturers making scenic items, especially within the 3D printing community, so overall I would say that within 2 years TT:120 is already better supported than TT100 ever was. Thanks for watching 😃

[@45degreesmodelling]

Revolution Trains are releasing some modern wagons and Peco have said they're in it for the long run, more wagons are due from them. This scale will only grow as modern houses/living spaces become smaller and smaller.

[@kellypaws]

There is a regrettable amount of supposition in this. The question of TT surviving *certainly* doesn't require any layout building. Nothing is less relevant to that basic question. It does depend on: 1. Is TT selling in sufficient quantities to regain the initial setting up costs? 2. Are sales figures currently growing or falling? 3. Does the cost of trying to increase sales outweigh the potential profitability of additional investment? 4. Are the products currently making an acceptable profit? (And is Hornby well enough managed to actually *know* which products make money, and which do not. This I very significantly doubt.) No one outside of Hornby really knows the answer to these questions, and I would strongly suspect no one in Hornby does either. But, the financial results very, very, very strongly suggested that TT is not highly profitable, or profitable at all. The accounts definitely did *not* show that demand was increasing at the same rate with each new model, it showed a 'flattening' of demand after the initial 'early adopters', other potential buyers are sitting waiting to see where it goes as they aren't flush enough (or daft enough?) to throw a lot of money into a scale with a, lets be kind, eclectic selection of available stock. On the sheer management accounting of the situation, it isn't particularly likely that TT120 will survive any longer, or as long, as TT3 which was produced for 7 years. It's clear that tooling costs are more of an element now than they were then, simply because models are all more detailed. I would think 5 years is more probable. Hornby are of course stuck with TT120 as they will have amortized their tooling costs over a specific period and if they 'cut their losses' early, then it will be obvious to the market, but far more importantly their investors, that they have another financial problem. The latter could very easily finish them. So they have to keep going, and I suspect they have to keep telling everyone it's all going very well. Given that Hornby aggressively pushed other manufacturer's (Heljan) away from TT120, they successfully ensured that the popularity of the *scale* would be damaged for the benefit of their market position. Extremely unintelligent, as in the long term, they shot both their own feet and then worried about how far of a walk it would be.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Your negative Hornby bias is showing here I'm afraid. I would argue strongly that having practical experience with a product does indeed matter. Numbers on a screen don't tell the whole story and won't allow you to figure out the real world pros and cons of using something. It also becomes all to easy to cherry pick facts here and there but there are some serious issues with that. The biggest being that you say TT isn't profitable for Hornby. The latest financial results we have for TT come from a year where it was mostly sold out and therefore are not representative. Once we get the results for this current year where a lot of new products have been released we'll have a much better idea of where the range stands. But the fact that it was sold out in the first place is a good indicator. But if we're in the habit of only highlighting certain things shouldn't we also point out that The Easterner is Hornby's best selling starter set across their entire range... or does that not fit the narrative? Regarding Heljan, Hornby did not aggressively push them out, Heljan exited of their own accord. They'd have had plenty of opportunity get their products out before Hornby - who have also said they would like to see other manufacturers embracing the scale. Look I get it, Hornby bashing is a popular sport these days and TT:120 is a big old flashing target. But those who write out big long comments like this rather prove my point that TT is doing well, otherwise this video wouldn't have anywhere near as much engagement as it does currently. It would have gone the way that Steampunk did in that nobody cared after a few months. It's fine to be against TT, it's fine to be against Hornby but realistically if it bothers you that much it's time move on and focus on a part of the hobby that brings you enjoyment.

[@robertmarsh3588]

​@ThatModelRailwayGuy excellent points. I really don't understand the motivation behind some of the anti Hornby and anti TT120 bias from many observers.

[@mikesmith2905]

British TT (Table Top), near enough to 1:100 or 3mm per foot has been around since I was a kid in the late 1950s, TT at 1:120 has been popular in Eastern Europe for a long time and firms such as Aughen still cater to it. I assume Hornby have adopted the 12mm gauge so people can use other makes.Being something of a niche the prices tend to be lower than the more popular scales, so kids are likely to get sets for Christmas.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

The 1:100 scale was only really in use for just under a decade and still ran on 12mm track - just the body sizes were bigger to allow the large motors of the time to fit inside. Similar to 00 and H0. Now that motors have gotten smaller, when relaunching the scale there was no need to stick to the older scale and it made sense to go with the rest of the world so that everyone was on the same page. Thanks for watching 👍

[@sodor_dan-da-man]

I can't wait for the J50 and the 57xx in the works as they took will be in the paint shop lol

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

The J50 samples are looking great when I saw the decorated samples at the NEC last week. The GWR stuff is a while off yet from what I've heard so I wouldn't hold your breath. Thanks for watching 🤩

[@davidgreenwood5160]

A very interesting video and you make many good points. I am one of those who are interested in TT because as I get older N gauge is harder for me to work in but TT doesn’t have the range of products I am looking for especially as I would want to model GWR or BR Western region steam and I have invested a lot in n gauge. Sadly it does appear that some in the hobby are so set against Hornby or so wedded to their own view on what model railways should be that they would rather see the hobby die than TT succeed. You are right that it is designed for newcomers and those who want to have fun (perish the thought) I hope it succeeds and it may one day provide a true alternative to N and OO

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Right now if you want to model GWR specifically then N Gauge is definitely the obvious choice - that may not always be the case but it's certainly the situation for now. It is certainly frustrating that there are some out there who are so against TT that they'd rather the hobby suffer as a whole. I just can't understand that line of thinking at all and honestly it baffles me why anyone would want to discourage anybody else within the hobby. I don't think TT will ever be as popular N or 00 but it honestly does seem like a viable option already for those who are happy to accept what it can and can't provide. Thanks for watching 😃

[@MikeNRail]

I was brought back like many others into the hobby by the TT announcement in 2022. I got the Easterner set and then preordered almost everything and ended up with an extensive collection. I started building a 5ft x 2.5ft layout and had track down and ballasted. I then put together a spreadsheet of what I'd spent... and that was a mistake! I got frustrated by my layout design at this point and realised I needed more space. So at that point TT offered no advantage over OO. Part of this is due to the points (both Hornby and Peco) being larger radius than N/OO setrack. I also had a shelf layout in TT part built (for the 08 and 66). At this point I re-evaluated what I wanted and decided to sell all of my TT items. I then planned an N gauge layout for the 5ft x 2.5ft baseboard I already had, and OO for my shelf layout. With the proceeds from selling TT I was able to obtain all of the N and OO rolling stock I wanted without restriction with a considerable amount left over! I think the strengths of TT are overplayed and the strengths of OO/N underplayed by some people in the hobby. For someone coming to it completely fresh, TT is an expensive proposition. Some people don't want to buy used and that's fine, but you can save an awful lot of money and have a much greater range of items that way in either N or OO. Minor point but my decade old used N gauge items actually run more smoothly and reliably than my TT stuff ever did. My 08 had issues with the pickups that ended up being replaced but still not perfect, my A3 had issues with it's front bogie and derailing on the Hornby curves. My A4 made an awful grinding noise that I was never able to fix. I'll give Hornby some leeway since it's a new scale but even the latest Duchess had issues with gear binding up, and the shafts dropping out of the 43 and 50. For the scale to survive and grow, these issues shouldn't be happening. I still think TT's future is slightly up in the air with only really Hornby involved still. It needs other manufacturers (ignoring Peco releasing endless PO 5 plank wagons for a minute) to commit to it really. At the moment I think it'll remain quite small compared to the other scales. Over time Hornby need to expand their range to a similar size as Tillig has in Europe, and get into a regular release cycle like we see in other scales. On your point about the recent sales - there was a material difference between Hornby's TT sale and Bachmann's. One was discounting models barely 6 months old and it wasn't Bachmann!

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I can't help but feel you've contradicted yourself slightly there. You say that TT is too expensive but then when Hornby have a sale that's somehow bad? Like I said in the video, part of Hornby's plan with TT is to capture more casual audience. One the initial "must have it NOW" Pre-Order purchases have had their moment the prices are reduced a few months later - this used to be the situation across all model railways not too long ago. If Bachmann are holding onto stock that's not selling for longer then that's a bigger issue and isn't good either for the consumer or Bachmann themselves. Not forgetting of course that Bachmann tend to have higher RRPs than most companies to begin with. Thanks for watching 👍

[@45degreesmodelling]

So you gave up on TT because of your bad planning? That's what I took away from all your waffle.

[@drewsmodelrailwayworld4856]

Excellent round up of what I think is a great scale, if I wasn't already heavily invested in OO I would definitely go for it, I found N just a bit too small even though I choose it for my first real layout as an adult, and the original TT which Triang quit in 1969 was no longer an option, ironic then as the tables might be turning. Of course 'N' and 'OO' have a strong base but TT120 is a real contender for that market you mention with a bit more to offer than the niche scales also available. ...Drew

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I think there's a lot of people who are in the same position. The intention of TT has never been to take people away from 00 or other scales - but instead to provide a viable alternative for those who have yet to settle on a scale by providing some benefits on space/cost/etc. Thanks for watching 😃

[@splicetape9435]

I'm in a weird spot. I model at OO scale, but of a fictionalized versi of the Great Lakes Region. A small loop is standard guage for connecting the town to the main line, bit the majority if the layout is 2ft3in narrow guage industrial railway. I've been rooting for TT scale to become popular to have track available to asd a 3ft indistrial line to better match up with the prototype railway I'm using as a basis.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

So presumably the PECO TT track range has been a big bonus for you then? Thanks for watching 👍

[@sodor_dan-da-man]

I think it has the potential to grow and survive. Currently have 3 TT projects on the go. Basically repaints of 3 locos. But I also believe Hornby are missing a trick and currently there is no license items. So they missing out by not going for a Thomas licence. Yes the 00 Thomas range used old toolings to make the characters but Hornby have the opportunity to make simpler tools and make the range as TV series like Bachmann have. It will bring in younger modellers into the scale. So that would be my plan alongside their current plans to keep the scale going forward.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Bachmann have the UK licence now so Hornby don't have the option of making TT:120 Thomas items, even if they wanted to. Personally I don't think it would be a good idea, Bachmann have it covered in 00 and already have a really extensive range. But generally licensed products cost more to produce... The Flying Scotsman is a good example of this - remember how the initial TT sets were called The Scotsman and featured Blink Bonny instead. Thanks for watching 🤩

[@sodor_dan-da-man]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Bachmann have the world wide 00 and n scale licence..each scale has its own licence. In the USA Bachmann hold the licence there for 00, N and gauge 3/ G scale yet Lionel make Thomas in 0 gauge and they did g gauge the same time as Bachmann. But personally I think a licenced product would be an advantage. Thomas is my suggestion as it's my area of expertise as they say. Could easily be done for cheaper than the current A1/3 for Gordon for example of they went simplified like the TV models and not base the tools off the "proper" engines as others would say. Further more if the licenced product was cheaper then technically it has a second jobs where it can be a cheaper model to buy to discard the loco body and use the wheels, chassis and motor etc to make custom engines for those who enjoy that challenge. Sort of TTs own railroad.... Sort of

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Regardless it still wouldn't work for Hornby. If it was a serious prospect they wouldn't have given up the Thomas license in the first place.

[@sodor_dan-da-man]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy true but you can see what I mean though and any potential. Thomas was just the one licence that is a proven one to use as an example

[@gregmacdonald927]

@@sodor_dan-da-man Thomas is not for me at all, however I agree with your thinking. Can’t see why Bachmann would hold a license for a scale they don’t produce. If we agree that Sam is the biggest uk KZbin channel, look at the views he gets for anything Thomas related. It’s miles above his other stuff. That to me suggests a market opportunity. The bonus for the rest of us would be readily-adaptable basic models. Just my tuppence-worth.

[@tagsdm]

Well, I'd say TT will make it. You've shown us what can be accomplished even at this point with your own layout. Manufacturers have a responsibility to keep the ball rolling, so to speak, with more inventory. If I were to go this route, I'd want to see some iconic locos and stock, say a Black 5, Jinty, a class 47 and a Deltic or maybe a GWR 57xx. They're off to a good start with the A4, gronk and so on.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

All of those would be a good shout, especially to build out the LMS region stuff. The 57xx would be nice for GWR modellers but wouldn't really fit with anything else so I'd personally replace that for a TT Austerity instead and save the Pannier for when more GWR locos/rolling stock can be released. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Coventry_Railworks]

I was also sceptical when it launched, I couldn't see how TT120 really offered anything different to what was out there in terms of a way to experience the model railway hobby. I still think that's the case to a large extent (it's still RTR models at a fairly premium price point much like N and OO,) but it does seem like the high quality train sets have done their job in bringing new and casual modellers into the scale thanks to being interesting and good value. There's enough of a following to make a go of it now, and if Hornby stick to "rule of cool" and just make things that TT120 modellers will be interested in even if it's a little eclectic, I think it'll be ok and will steadily grow. It is probably a good scale for the younger modeller, where N might be a little on the small and fragile side and OO takes up more space than is available. So if it's sold as a user friendly, good value range with play/exploration interest, then it makes sense. I do like the models a lot!

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

This was pretty much view initially too - until I actually built a layout in the scale. This is what I mean when I say I have experience with working in the scale because having built layouts now in N, TT and 00 I totally get the point of TT and where it fits within the hobby. Maybe that's not something that becomes truly apparent to some of us until we actually try it for ourselves. It's not just younger modellers who find N to small and fragile. There's actually a lot of people out there who feel the same way (especially if they're beginners) where TT offers a nice compromise between smaller sizes and more durable models that are easier to work with. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Coventry_Railworks]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I'll definitely give it a try one day. I wonder if Tillig track could be used to make a TT version of T-TRAK with small modules?

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Triang's version of TT (3mm to foot) lasted 10 yearsbefore they pulled the plug. Hornby's Lyddle End series of N Gauge buildings were in production for about 7 years. This means that it's too soon to say for TT120. But personally, I don't see it lasting as the market is already saturated with OO, N, and O taking the lion's share. IIRC the mode.ling press in the 1950s and 1960s was saying similar things about Triang TT, but it could never attract enough new modellers to break even and thats the same issue TT120 faces.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

But the goalposts keep moving. When TT:120 was first announced everyone said "let's see if it's still around in 2 years". Now we've reached that milestone suddenly the conversation has shifted to "will it still be around in 5-10 years" which is naturally frustrating for a scale that is actually doing quite well for itself. If the market is oversaturated then why have we seen lots of people, especially newcomers, taking up TT? On that basis I would say that TT:120 is already more successful than TT3 was, especially given the amount of support out there from smaller manufacturers. Thanks for watching 👍

[@loispadgett6306]

I love all scales of trains. TT120 is a nice looking scale hope one day to get some, but harder to find in America. I do N scale and Z scale for now but do have one On30 set. Thank you for sharing. GOD BLESS from America 🚂💕🚂💕🚂💕🚂💕🚂💕

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I don't think Hornby TT:120 has really reached America yet - naturally their focus is probably more on continental Europe as that's where TT tends to be more popular. Thanks for watching 😃

[@loispadgett6306]

@ThatModelRailwayGuy One day hope to find some here in America then will buy one but in till then will in enjoy watching the layouts and trains running from UK.

[@andykopgod]

I cant fault TT its perfect for me, limited space for OO, dodgy eyesight for N, the quality is brilliant, im new to the hobby and love TT

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Fantastic, I’d say you are one of many who have found TT the best the right scale for them. Glad it’s working for you and thanks for watching 😃

[@stecki5362]

I can't find TT:120 in the USA, but would love it as I do want something between HO and N for how much space I have to do a layout.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

The funny thing is that I think TT used to be quite big in the US so I'm surprised it seems to have dropped off. Maybe it'll make a return although I'm not sure the introduction of British locomotives would create that initial spark. Thanks for watching 😃

[@benbedothu]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy MTB manufactures TT:120 American prototype locos and there is a large modular group of Continental Europe and American TT:120 in Canada (maybe Vancouver?)

[@damianinCanadaTT-OO]

Nice balanced view. I know they are not in the same subscriber zone as you but PeachyTT120 and Modeloco have both built layouts. Modeloco is also a OO modeller so it’s so TT120 bias

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Yes absolutely. To be honest I was talking about the really big channels (as in bigger than me) some of which have been less than complimentary about TT:120 despite not really exploring what the scale has to offer. But there are certainly lots of channels out there showing what can be done with TT and for anyone on the fence I would always recommend getting multiple viewpoints to make up your own mind rather than relying on one opinion alone. Thanks for watching 🤩

[@jamesmorgan3623]

I really like the scale, both aesthetically and practically, but the release of new locomotives, rolling stock, and track needs to be much more frequent.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

And yet the Hornby TT:120 is the fastest growing range in model railways at the moment. In less than two years we've had 6 brand new loco releases, 2 more due imminently and tons of rolling stock too. What other manufacturer has achieved that in the same timescale? It makes you wonder what Hornby would have to do to keep people happy. Thanks for watching 😃

[@jamesmorgan3623]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I'm sure that's true but I am new to the hobby and came in with an expectation of much more. I'd like to be buying unique 5 or 6 locos a year and 30 or 40 wagons - plus a few more exotic things like cranes. I'd like to see them reusing the CAD models from the OO range, scaled down. Where-as it seems like (judging from the class 37 coverage) they are starting from scratch.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I'm afraid that's a fairly unrealistic prospect for any scale, not just TT:120. Another option is that Hornby could hold back certain models to stagger the releases over the year... but I'm not sure that really benefits anyone, certainly not Hornby. Reusing the CAD from their 00 gauge projects isn't possible. The track gauge to body ratio is different for a start, not to mention the internals for different motors and setups. It's not like 3D Printing where you can just scale it down, you have to take lots of different things into account like the thickness of plastic for injection moulding so that models are still well detailed but not too brittle or delicate. BUT Hornby are able to reuse the research they've done for previous projects. The J50 is a good example of this - a popular tank loco in their 00 gauge and they'll have a good idea of the crucial measurements, what liveries/numbers they can do and the variations in the tooling needed to replicate each one authentically. That's a decent chunk of time saved as you skip straight to the design stage and I'd suspect a lot more future models in the TT range will take their cues from what has worked well in 00.

[@jamesmorgan3623]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Thank you for your detailed reply. I do accept that my expectations where too high.

[@chuffinghell-UK]

I’m hoping that Hornby intend to produce LNER teak coaches, especially considering they have already produced The Flying Scotsman and Mallard

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I think they've previously mentioned wanting to do them themselves in one of their roadmaps for the scale that they released during the initial launch. Since then though we've not heard anything new so it's difficult to say how far along they are. Thanks for watching 😃

[@chuffinghell-UK]

@ I’m a OO gauge modeller but I’m thinking of switching to TT120. I did have second thoughts due to the amount of negativity towards the scale but you might have changed my mind.

[@grahamariss2111]

TT120 in the UK has one problem, it is principally dependent on Hornby with other manufacturers other than Peco having pulled their recent product plans. The problem is that Hornby are in serious financial trouble and whilst those problems causing this crisis are much more deeply rooted than launching a new scale, they simple lack the resources to properly establish what in fact is the ideal scale for the 21st century, small enough to fit in UK homes but big enough to do everything well. Thus much of what you say about the scale is i.e. simpler models, is because that is what Hornby has made it to be not necessarily what it could and or should be. The problem is that Hornby as it is now cannot continue, so unless other manufacturers enter the scale (would love to se Accurascale, Dapol and Rapido bring models to it) the scales future is entirety dependent on how what is Hornby's current business can be restructured into something sustainable.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Sorry but I heavily disagree. TT isn't more simple because Hornby lack the resources to make it better, it's more simple because it's target market doesn't require (or want to pay for!) something that will make the models significantly more expensive. But what are we actually talking about here when we say the models are more simple? The Class 50 for example is an outstanding model with incredible detail, tons of lighting functions plus the option of sound if wanted. This is equally true of their 00 gauge range too where some of the latest releases from Hornby are spectacular, putting them on par with the other manufacturers. You seem to forget that Hornby has a new team in place and things are slowly starting to turn around but it's not going to change overnight. Right now TT:120 is one of the things that is working for them too so they're not going to jeopardise that. It's also unfair to say other manufacturers are dropping out when that isn't really the case. Heljan pulled their plans over 2 years ago now when they realised Hornby were more serious about TT than they were. But since then we've had lots of manufacturers producing and supporting the scale and from the discussions I've have there's a few more keeping a close eye on it behind the scenes. Thanks for watching 👍

[@TheBlueAnorak]

Undoubtably it will suceed. For those who dont have a lot of space but have some, it is a better option than either N or OO. For those who are older and who's eyesight isnt great or have a slight hand shake for N it really is a netter option. I'm building a period TT:120 railway and the only thing missing is loco build kits with traction power units and driving wheels and loco mouldings - whoever delivers that (coachesxand trucks too) like OO has, will be on to a winner. With that the serious modeller will take up the scale and it will take off.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Nice to see someone thinking on the positive side... I was starting to think I was alone 😅 I agree it would be great to see some loco kits in the future. I believe there's a few people out there designing body shells but the lack of power units at the moment are a big issue. If someone cracks that, I agree that it'll bring a whole new set of modellers over to the scale. Thanks for watching 👍

[@T4Van-E-daycamp]

I would like some of your arches style & retaining wall as used on your tt layout.. but i can’t see them in your shop..

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Hi there, if you can't see them in the shop try resetting your cookies for the site - sometimes I doesn't update properly (I'm working on a new site currently in my spare time so this hopefully won't be an issue in the future). For now though here's a link to all the laser cut kits: shop.thatmodelrailwayguy.com/product-category/model-supplies/laser-cut-kits/ Hope that helps and thanks for watching 😃

[@45degreesmodelling]

This scale is only going to grow and grow. I think 2025 will see at least one main manufacturer join the TT scale (not including Revolution). To those still moaning, why? It doesn't impact you, let us TT modellers be happy.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Definitely agree with the sentiment that those who aren't interested should just move on. If anything, the fact a video like this has provoked so many comments shows that TT is doing well - if it wasn't no-one would care. Personally I think whether we see any new manufacturers enter the scale will depend on what Hornby announce next. If they have something already that will compliment Hornby's range - like Revolution have with their JNA wagons - then it'll definitely be a consideration. I doubt we'll see anyone jump in with a loco straight away but some rolling stock would be a good way to test the waters and see how profitable TT:120 is. Right now the risk is high but equally the existing range is small so you'll have a higher percentage of TT modellers buying your potential products. Essentially you don't want to jump on the bandwagon too early or too late. Thanks for watching 😃

[@garthcox4307]

I wasn't convinced of the need for it given n gauge. However if it succeeds and brings new people into the hobby then that's a good thing.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

That was my initial reaction too but having now built layouts in both scales there's a surprising difference between the two and I can definitely see how TT:120 fits into the hobby. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Chris_98_]

Would never have modelled if it was not for tt. I have built one layout where I impressed myself with my abilities so now expanding into automation and a layout rebuild.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Fantastic - these are the stories I love to hear about the scale. It starts of with that initial curiosity and expands in such an incredible way that can lead to all sorts of amazing things. Best of luck with it and thanks for watching 😃

[@bbej2016]

The trouble with TT120 is no Southern or Western locos or matching coaches,and it's not reliable yet class 50 and Hst driveshafts dropping out also prices on some items are the same as 00 gauge which is what killed the old TT3. I have a vast collection of Tri-ang TT and love it .if they make some southern items I would be more interested.

[@triangttvstilligtt1184]

I agree needs more choice it's all LNER AND LMS,I like it but with no society/club like The 3mm society I think hornby should have done TT3MM .but it's here and I hope it survives but I'm not sure if say dapol or accurscale come in it might do better.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

And here lies the problem. What's better - to have a focussed range that makes building a prototypical layout slightly more possible, or having a completely random range that covers a bit of everything? For every comment here saying there's no SR or GWR models, there's another person saying the range is already spread too thin. To me that says you can't keep everyone happy and Hornby are better to stick to their current plan. Thanks for watching 👍

[@triangttvstilligtt1184]

I think a random selection would be better then Hornby could select the best sellers and build on it.its better to sell stuff people want than stuff they don't .most people who do TT120 vids only do it for money.i've been doing TT vids OVER 5 YEARS and make no money and only have 200+subs.and don't have my tongue up hornbys bum.

[@bbej2016]

​@triangttvstilligtt1184 again I agree most TT120 youtubers are in it for money from affiliated links and subscribers,ads etc. and a random mix off locos would have been better.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Sorry but I have to stop this right here as this is wholly incorrect. Most TT modellers making videos don't do it for money, they're modellers just like everyone else. If you want to make money then starting a model railway KZbin channel is a stupidly inefficient way to go about it. Furthermore Hornby really don't give anyone special treatment. I have very limited contact with them - out of all the manufacturers I'd say they're one of the more reserved in this regard. The idea that all TT video makers are somehow in Hornby's pocket is utterly ridiculous. To get back to the point in hand your suggestion that Hornby make a wide range and the focus on what sells is exactly what they've already done. They know what sells well in their 00 gauge range and that's what they've focused on for TT:120.

[@aleopardstail]

TT:120 had the advantage of a more or less clean sheet, there are some bits that worked well for this. e.g. the "trainset" points are actually done properly and don't look ridiculous. also the couplers while a bit bulky seem to work very well and work well with remote uncoupling. the idea that all locomotives are DCC ready out of the gate is also good, and there are no "ancient" low grade models out there, its all high quality stuff. the drawbacks are mostly stock availability if you want to run a specific time period/location - this is more a function of time and it is getting better for me its neither one thing nor the other, but its not a bad concept

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I definitely agree that there are lots of good parts to TT:120. Even with the major issue being a lack of stock for certain regions/eras that's not so much of an issue for the target audience of more casual modellers who are quite happy to run a HST alongside Mallard. Thanks for watching 😃

[@timharrison2894]

The comments on here seem to support what you're saying about TT bringing in new blood which can only be a good thing. I think definition off success you the guage would be significant investment from another large manufacturer... Like if Dapol announced 3-4 GWR locos for example

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Yes there's definitely going to be a different definition of success from Hornby's own point of view and the wider hobby overall. While I agree it would be nice to see another manufacturer take the leap in a big way I think we're a way off that yet. I suspect we'll see rolling stock items come through first to test the waters like how Revolution are doing. Thanks for watching 😃

[@benbedothu]

Hornby deliberately chose a few eras and companies to bring out locos for first, so that a modeler could have more than one kind of loco on a prototypical layout. And you're right, that leaves large areas blank for other companies to shoot at. Now GWR is still available, but soon Hornby will have to make announcements in that area as well, so after that, only the two smaller members of the big four will remain.

[@genixia]

I would love to model in TT, but it will be years before there is enough GWR stock available, and much longer before there is a sizeable used market to help allay costs.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

If you want to model in GWR specifically then TT:120 isn't the scale for you - even more so if you're waiting for secondhand availability. The good news is that 00, N, and O gauge have plenty to offer Western modellers. Look at Rapido as an example - a 44XX, B Set coaches and a selection of GW wagons... that's an entire GWR branchline terminus right there so why go for a scale that doesn't have this availability instead. Thanks for watching 👍

[@AndyHudson-ModelRailwayBuilds]

I dont agree with your comment about TT not being a detailed modeler's scale, I'm mainly O Gauge but I have dabbled in TT because I can produce full to scale modelling of a location without the need to compromise. N and TT are closer than TT and OO but you can borrow from either scale and it works as I have proved on several TT builds. I do agree the scale is working well and will hopefully continue to bring more people into the hobby which is only a good thing for us all.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

You misunderstand, I'm not saying TT:120 can't be a detailed modellers scale but rather that the majority of people taking it up wouldn't consider themselves in that camp. There's always going to be exceptions to the rule like yourself. Thanks for watching 👍

[@HighWigsell]

I think you are right saying it is good for getting certain people into the hobby. I quite like the scale, but think I would have still gone 00 if I was starting from scratch. It's got a touch of the Betamax about it. It also feels expensive. I would also say that a better question is whether Hornby will survive. Looks like they have a lot of challenges ahead of them, and a lot of their products do not seem like good value for money. I personally haven't bought a single piece of Hornby in well over a year. But that is just me, I'm sure plenty of people have a different view.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Interesting that you feel TT:120 is expensive considering it's cheaper than 00 gauge and in some cases cheaper than N. I notice some of the retailers are selling Class 08's for less than £90 at the moment. Regarding Hornby, TT:120 seems to be one of the things that's actually bringing in money at the moment. Sure it's not going to single handedly save the whole company but remember we need to give the new team time to turn things around. Things don't happen overnight but having a strong brand like TT that's performing well is a big bonus. Thanks for watching 👍

[@Equoris]

Also, don't forget that TT is fairly well known and established in Europe, has been fir decades, especially in Eastern parts of germany, and central Europe. Hornby basically opened up the possibility for all of us on the continent to have british rolling stock on our layout! OO is pretty much non existent outside of the UK...(and I personally am not a fan of N scale, too small, and looks out of scale, for my eyes). It's a bit of a shame TT is not more popular outside of the above mentioned areas of Europe, so I'm pretty happy Hornby took the plunge!

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Honestly if Hornby don't do some sort of Eurostar themed set in the next few years it will be a massive missed opportunity. Thanks for watching 😃

[@benbedothu]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy PIKO actually has everything to do the newer Eurostars and they declined. I was really surprised by that.

[@kennydee8296]

could it be that TT120 is actually the optimal scale for the 21st century? the locomotives and rolling stock appear to have quite good detail, far better than N while allowing for more expansive layouts than O particularly where space is limited - I really do hope TT120 thrives into the future 🇦🇺 not sure that Australian prototypes will ever emerge though

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I suspect that’s what Hornby are hoping. Like I said in the video it does seem to be a nice middle ground between 00 and N and with the backing of a major manufacturer like Hornby it’s certainly getting a lot of attention. Thanks for watching 😃

[@andrewstewart-wright4131]

Will TT:120 be around long term. YES!

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

It certainly does seem like it, which is a good thing. Thanks for watching 😃

[@AndyBee-c6x]

I think Hornby have done a good job generally, but IMHO it really does need other manufacturers to come on board. To me (knowing nothing of business finance) there is quite a bit of low hanging fruit to be had and if, as it seems, Hornby are willing to talk to other manufacturers to avoid unnecessary duplication. IF, as reported by Peachy, there are at least 2 other manufacturers looking to produce a loco each, that should help give the scale the oomph I think it needs.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I would take any hints of other manufacturers producing locos for the scale with several handfuls of salt at the moment. I know there are a few keeping an eye on it but like Revolution it's more with the view of, do they have rolling stock in their range already which would compliment something in TT. Most are waiting to see what Hornby do next before committing to anything. Not to say that we will never see anything from another manufacturer but some have be predicting for 2 years now that another manufacturer is about to jump into the scale. Thanks for watching 😃

[@MisterCreamyDude]

I do hope this scale does well and I don't know how other people feel but I think if this had been TT at 1:100 like the old Triang stuff I might have had a go at it but at 1:120 its too close to N gauge for me, which I already have a lot of. Shame but like I say I hope it does well and if it gets more people into the hobby that can only be a good thing.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

If you already have a lot of N gauge stuff then I would say that neither TT:120 or TT3 would be worth it anyway - at least in my opinion. That said that, having been to a few exhibitions recently I'm constantly surprised at how much smaller N Gauge is than TT:120 when you actually see it in person. Thanks for watching 😃

[@chrisredding6673]

Yes, it is a 'nice' scale. N is good for - say - American models, but a UK train is about the same size as USA subway stock. 'N' sort of 'disappears' with the smaller locos and especially wagons. I hope it flourishes.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

N Gauge does have its advantages in the UK - especially with doing more modern stuff where you want big long multiple units. But I agree that TT:120 certainly has a lot more presence than N despite the scale not being all that much bigger. Thanks for watching 😃

[@kevhilditch]

Have you got any news on your flexible walling.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Check the Posts tab on the main channel page. The latest update was posted about a month ago, when there's any more news I'll let everyone know. Thanks for watching 👍

[@nigeljones3972]

Remember you can also model European scenes as well so not just British stuff. Great for this as so not have the issues that you have between OO and HO. Just a thought.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

There is that crossover although if I'm being personally honest I think the rest of the continent is more likely to embrace British outline TT models than the other way round. Thanks for watching 👍

[@DeathInTheSnow]

How does Hornby TT compare to, say, Roco TT or Tillig?

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

My experience is fairly limited to be honest but in terms of locos that Roco and Tillig models do seem to be a little more expensive (though not by much) but come with more advanced features which is probably reasonable. Thanks for watching 😃

[@benbedothu]

As a continental modeller who only owns an almost complete HST from Hornby, I can say that looks and details are really good, especially compared to older Tillig models. Decoder and speaker installation is more straightforward than for most continental models, except for maybe PIKO (pronounced the same way as PECO to annoy people). Running quality is somewhat problematic though, I had to set the minimum start voltage of my HST to quite high, otherwise, it would stall in curves that are actually broad enough for even six-axle diesels or long steamers from Tillig, Roco and PIKO. Because of the sheer size of an almost complete set and the great detail I'm really impressed with my HST. I was a little appalled with the floating back axle of the A4s and some other early solutions, but it seems like that for the Princess Coronation and other, newer models, Hornby have reviewed their practices and now their overall quality is in the top line of continental model makers. I own lots of Czech-built MTB models, that are robust, but obviously have a lower level of detail than Hornby or Tillig does, and I'm still fond of MTB models. Hornby made me a fan.

[@andrewhotston983]

The big question is whether Hornby will survive - without them, British TT is finished. And I wouldn't buy shares in Hornby at the moment. Now that the Coronation carriages have arrived, there aren't any Hornby items I'm waiting for.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

There is of course a big difference between a company not making anything you're personally interested in and a company failing to survive. Hornby now have a new team in place and while things aren't going to change overnight things do seem to be turning around. TT:120 is one of the things that is working well for Hornby at the moment. Also, let's pretend Hornby suddenly decide to close their doors. We'd probably see a similar situation to what happened with Hattons earlier this year except on a larger scale. I suspect there would be a lot of companies interested in taking on parts of the tooling across their ranges. Even the Hornby name itself would likely survive in some form just because of how recognisable a brand it is. People have been predicting that Hornby are going to go under imminently for several years now and it still hasn't happened. At what point does that negativity start to become a bigger problem than the moves Hornby are actually making. Thanks for watching 😃

[@andrewhotston983]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Yes, I hope you're right.

[@EdVanMeyer]

As long as they get the range of products, the price isn't high they will be ok, but N Gauge is cheaper second hand and that is their competition.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

The range is growing nicely and the prices are actually fairly comparable to N Gauge. With the recent sales an A3 is actually cheaper in TT than in N at the moment. But honestly I don't feel like they're in competition with N Gauge at all. Despite the size similarity its two very different markets and types of modellers who will engage with each scale respectively. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Jaherick]

I don’t think you can really compare 009 and ng7 with tt120 as they are more of an extension to existing scales. Tt120 is a nice size and I can see a lot of promise in it. As for me it’s not a scale I would model at the moment as I like small Southern and GWR tank engines and not express locos, but a lot prefer the larger locos. I think some got put off the scale initially due to Hornbys sales technics at the time of launch, with it not being in model shops, there’s something to be said seeing and feeling the model before buying (been caught out to many times buying over the internet). Seeing your layout at the Spa Valley Railway certainly impressed me as it was the first time I’d seen the scale in real life. Even though it’s not for me at the moment, the scale will be around for some time and it has slotted into place with the rest of the scales. I wonder if due to the limit of manufacturing space in China whether all the scales can be accommodated, will it mean a slow down of new releases? Anyway loved the build videos and the layout was great to see. Thanks.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Why not? Sure there's a few people who use 009 and NG7 as an extension their main layouts but there's also huge amount of people who only model narrow gauge. Let's not forget that the first 009 RTR models from Heljan had a lot of issues - ca you imagine if that had been Hornby? There would have riots 😅 Hornby's direct only sales for TT was as much about protecting the model shops from an untested range as it was to allow Hornby to make as much of a return on it. A lot of people seem to forget that but I guess it's more popular to bash Hornby these days. Hornby have also stated that the TT range is made in different factories to their 00 range and they have a separate set of designers for it too so there's no reason why the TT stuff would cause delays elsewhere. Thanks for watching 👍

[@TheHoveHeretic]

Back in 1968, the burning question was whether there'd still be interest in steam outline models. Well, we know the answer to that ... *but* ... I do wonder whether Hornby isn't aiming product at the same aging demographic it's become familiar with? Is that future market interested in Gronks and Tractors, never mind A4s and Duchesses? Even HSTs are now heading into preservation and classes are being stood down which I still think of as comparatively new .... and Pacers! I'd need some real market research to firm up my suspicions, but my gut is that I'd have concentrated on modern outline for the future market, with the odd "historic" models, likely as sets, to keep old buffers like me happy. 0 gauge? I barely have the space to have an opinion on 00, never mind 0 gauge!!

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

There is definitely still a high interest in steam models - just look at literally any other scale or gauge. With TT:120 specifically it comes back to that more casual modeller rather than full on enthusiasts who just want a few nice pretty trains to run round their layout. There's a reason why Hornby launched with the A3 and the A4 and why those sets sold out so quickly. The market research that has been done (by various manufacturers and retailers) suggests that there is interest in modern day multiple units - but just not at the price those models would have to cost. Thanks for watching 👍

[@highdownmartin]

Personally I think it’s a shame that hornby didn’t adopt 13.5 mm gauge and 3 mm / foot scale. Which would be a finer version of the old TT3. Which is a ver appealing size, smaller than 00 so more train in landscape but not too small so it’s not electric mice. And there’s a lot of stuff available from the 3 mm scale society.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

But then we'd end up in the same situation we had before with TT3 being bigger than TT:120 which is used by the rest of the world. Personally I think Hornby made the right decision by going with the more commercially popular scale whereas 3mm is more suited to finescale modellers and those who are happy with scratch and kit building. Thanks for watching 😃

[@WillLees-em1jw]

How big is your layout

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

8ft x 2.5ft - the whole build process was covered on the channel from start to finish if you’re interested. Thanks for watching 👍

[@WillLees-em1jw]

Yes I did watch your channel from start to finish and very intresting and must have missed you saying the measurements.. I got !2ft x 4ft to play with.

[@RichardBCumbrianModelRailways]

I dunno man, Google trends suggest its on the same level as 009 per daily searches. I do think TT120 needs an assosciation or society to ensure the direction is maintained, that way the longevity is secured. Otherwise the scale is at the whim of Hornby's marketing department.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Obviously Google Trends aren't going to tell the full story but that's pretty good if true. 009 is a popular and much more well established scale in the UK than TT:120 is so for the scale to have reached that level in two years is pretty impressive. I can't help but feel that Societies or Associations are somewhat old fashioned, especially in the eyes of the core audience for TT:120. But a equivalent would be to look at the Facebook groups that's have popped up around the scale which seem to be very active with lots of modellers providing help, inspiration and support. Thanks for watching 😃

[@RichardBCumbrianModelRailways]

​@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I hear what you are saying but I disagree in the main. I think its clear that TT:120 is struggling to gain the traction enjoyed by N and OO scales. However, I believe this is precisely where an organised society can play a pivotal role. While Facebook groups may seem convenient, they often lack structure, accountability, and focus. They tend to become transient, spam-heavy spaces with limited real influence on the direction or growth of the hobby. Consider the success of 009-its rise wasn’t by chance. It was propelled by dedicated organisations that set clear goals, provided leadership, and created strong connections with manufacturers and enthusiasts alike. A similar framework for TT:120 could transform its prospects. A paid membership model would not only provide essential funding but also create a unified, accountable body to advocate for the scale. With proper resources, such a society could deliver effective marketing campaigns, work collaboratively with manufacturers to develop products, and establish a visible presence at shows. These efforts would ensure that TT:120 doesn’t fade into obscurity but instead carves out a strong, enduring place in the modelling community. Without this, TT:120 risks being little more than a fleeting trend. A well-supported organisation could be the foundation for its long-term success.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Have you actually spent any time interacting with people in any of the Facebook groups? Because they're definitely not "spam-heavy spaces". There's lots of great modellers in there sharing their projects as well as providing insight and useful advice for beginners too. We're even seeing members start to develop their own cottage industry products so I really fail to see what else a dedicated society could offer. Don't forget that 009 initially came from a place that was very much a scratch/kit builders scale where a society was needed, before it was adopted by the RTR manufacturers. TT hasn't had that journey and if you started up a paid TT Society it would be a really hard sell. I can't see many people wanting to join or see the benefit in it when social media already provides what they want. There is of course the 3mm Society who have seen a bit of an uptick since TT was launched in the UK. But certainly not enough to suggest that a dedicated society would be viable. Even Hornby's own TT:120 Membership Club has failed to get off the ground, despite being free. From the real world interactions I've had with people taking up this scale its generally being adopted by a younger core group of modellers who simply prefer social media. The fact is that the hobby is moving on and younger modellers are seeing less and less value in MRCs or Societies. This is often mistaken by some as the hobby dying out when in reality it's just evolving. That doesn't mean there isn't space clubs or societies in the future but social media plays a much bigger role for the new generation of modellers than it did even a decade ago. By all means, feel free to start up a TT:120 Society if you want to and I wish you the best of luck with it. But you'll need to find something of true genuine value to offer people that they can't currently get elsewhere in order for it to be worthwhile.

[@RichardBCumbrianModelRailways]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Point of order: I am interested but needs to be more than enthusiastic individuals on Hornby's pay role and really a community endeavour before I part with my cash. I really don't want this to be steam punk 2.0. I'm not anti Hornby and I'm not anti TT. Thank you for sharing your perspective. I appreciate the role Facebook groups play in bringing people together, especially in fostering a community for younger modellers. However, I believe there's a clear distinction between what an informal Facebook group can offer and what a structured, formal society could achieve for TT:120. Facebook groups are undeniably great for sharing ideas, projects, and advice, but their transient and personality-driven nature often limits their ability to enact real change or provide consistent advocacy for a growing hobby. Without the structure and accountability of a governing body, it's difficult to imagine how TT:120 can gain the traction and support needed to thrive in the long term. A society, on the other hand, offers a unified, sustainable approach. By leveraging membership fees, it can support marketing efforts, collaborate with manufacturers, and secure show presences to legitimise and expand the scale. A self-sustaining organisation would ensure that TT:120 doesn’t rely on individual personalities or informal efforts but instead has a centralised voice driving its development. I’ve seen this challenge first-hand in other hobbies. For example, a sports Facebook group I’m part (British Enduro Mountain BIke Assosciation - BEMBA) of operates outside of any governing body, and its effectiveness is entirely tied to key individuals. Without them, the group struggles to achieve its goals consistently. The lack of formal organisation limits its impact and longevity. To compare with 009, I’d argue that its transition from a niche scratch-building scale to mainstream success was made possible because of early efforts by societies and organised groups. TT:120 is at a similar crossroads, and without a dedicated society to champion it, the scale risks fading into obscurity. Ultimately, a society is not about replacing social media but complementing it with a formal infrastructure to ensure TT:120's future. While starting a society is a challenging endeavour, I believe it's a vital step to secure the scale’s growth and legitimacy. My intention is to explore how such an initiative, through debate, could support and sustain the scale, rather than suggesting it’s something I alone would lead.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Sorry for the delayed response, only just getting round to replying to this now...It all comes down to one question that I’m still not seeing an answer too: what specifically are you going to offer TT modellers that they want that they can’t get elsewhere? There’s lots of talk of “a unified, sustainable approach” but that doesn’t actually mean anything. You’ve rather proved my point by saying the societies helped bring 009 to the mainstream RTR modellers. TT doesn’t need that because it’s already achieved it. You also say you don’t want to lead this personally but if you don’t who will? It’s not like the community is crying out for a society. If it was then we would already be seeing something be put together, much like we’ve seen the resources for the scale that others have already created.

[@justinclayton3022]

Not sure TT:120 is fundamentally more casual / non-realistic. Sure current TT:120 layouts have to work within the limits of available stock / accessories. But TT has the correct track dimensions not available in 00 or N. The smaller scale also means it is easier to make more realistic railway configurations.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

You're mistaking realism in the models to the realism defined by the people actively modelling in TT. The scale and models themselves are highly realistic but the demographic of people taking up TT:120 are less concerned about building/running their layouts in a prototypical way. As I said in the video, the vast majority of those I've spoken to who have started out in TT are more than happy running an HST alongside an A3. This is the fundamental casual approach that we're talking about and is why Hornby have a bit more leeway with the scale. Thanks for watching 😃

[@michaela21212]

Why does Hornby make some TT120 coaches that need a minimum curve of Radius 3! Won't be much smaller than H0/1:87/3.5mm radius 1.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

As far as I know it's only the 57' coaches that are Radius 3. Everything else is fine for Radius 1 so if that's a big issue for you then just don't get the 57' coaches. Thanks for watching 👍

[@michaela21212]

@ThatModelRailwayGuy But why can't they make all the coaches go around radius 1 curves! Most of the locos only go around radius 2. Defeats the point, really.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Most likely because it would affect the accuracy of the models in someway. As modellers are constantly demanding higher detail and fidelity in their models there has to be a compromise in someway. So what's the solution? Either Hornby just don't make those models at all or perhaps in the future, if the sales of this one particular set of coaches is significantly lower than the others in the range, then they make the decision to remove some of the detail to get a better running design. It's also important to remember that the Minimum Radius' are often guidelines. A lot of the locos are stated to only go round Radius 2 but in reality will actually run round curves tighter than Radius 1 as plenty of people have already discovered.

[@michaela21212]

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[@Joliie]

I am very confused, the TT 1:120 has been around since the late 40's? must have missed some video or point on what 2 years means.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

This is the first time TT:120 has been been available for British Outline locomotives and rolling stock. Previously we had TT3 which used the same track gauge but scaled up the body shells to account for the motors needing to fit into smaller British prototypes. With motors now being considerably smaller, rather than relaunch TT3 Hornby and PECO made the decision to join the rest of the world. But while not new worldwide, TT:120 is very much new for the UK side of the hobby which is what this channel exclusively deals with. Thanks for watching 😃

[@Hacienda_27]

Should be called double T gauge

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

TT has been around for a while now and stands for Table Top which is probably why it feels more natural for most people to say "Tee-Tee". Let's not forget that some people also refer to 00 as "Oh-Oh" so at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Thanks for watching 😃

[@stormbowman7148]

Also, in case Hornby abandon TT, they will try and sell the tooling to someone else. There are several European manufacturers that would be looking into buying them. Point is: Someone else will try their luck. I am sure. That being said: I don't see Hornby abandon TT. The dooms day talk is mostly KZbinrs that needs to make content in order to make money. Negativity is the best money generator out there. It fires people up. I love TT, I think it is a great scale. I'm too invested in H0 though, but TT is a nice scale.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

I think Hornby would only ever sell of their tooling if they were going to cease to exist at all... not that I can see that happening either. I'd hesitate to say that all the negative talk is coming from KZbinrs. There are definitely some who feed off that negativity and play it up for the drama... but for the most part it's coming from forums and other social media where very vocal minorities are keen to cut Hornby down at any given opportunity. Thanks for watching 😃

[@stormbowman7148]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy The tooling is crazily expensive, if you are not going to use it, you will most likely try to get some of the expenses back. Anyway, I agree with the forums. They can be toxic from time to time. I did, however, see a handful of KZbinrs judging on the success of TT, just as it came out. A few kept going for a while but lately those voices have kept silent. For most, I think it falls in the category "I'm going to call it now, so later I can say: I told you so". 🙂 Thanks for the vid, always a pleasure.

[@MaxxD86]

Still waiting for southern and GWR stock…

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

You'll be waiting a while then. Currently it makes sense for Hornby to focus on the LNER to built up that range rather than spread their TT projects too thin. Thanks for watching 😃