CAN WE MAKE PIRANHA PLANT TOP TIER?

We did this a while back with Ganondorf, now let's see if we can do it with one of the other worst characters in all of Smash Ultimate - Piranha Plant! Let's put our brains together and see what we can do to make this weed actually kinda viable. And plus we get to watch Cosmos get destroyed by Plant.
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[@schmidtyyy2026]

Piranha Plant video? More like a roast Cosmos video.

[@originssb8160]

Trueeee

[@10cesc4.]

He does that to himself. He’s not an aegis player no matter how hard he wants it.

[@jaceimations]

i think hes switching back to inkling @@10cesc4.

[@talkingweevil3172]

Well I mean lucky is just good not necessarily that cosmos is bad

[@MasterAbeer101]

Seeing Marss get mad at Cosmos is so funny 😂 but honestly I love this little series of suggesting buffs to the lower tier characters. Keep it up Marss

[@bridgergriffiths4364]

As someone who used to play piranhaplant in tournaments, you missed one buff to his recovery and its the main problem with up b. Piranhaplant up b does not grab ledge when the head reaches it but instead when the pot reaches it so it is the easiest move to two frame, i have gotten two framed with ness bat because of this, make the ledge grab trigger with the head reaching the ledge or make the head invincible during up b.

[@luciatheorphan]

two framed by ness fsmash now that is hilarious

[@happycamperds9917]

There's no 2 frame hotbox on tight angles. Once you master how to use it it's actually one of the best recoveries in the game IMO.

[@bridgergriffiths4364]

@@happycamperds9917 I would have to disagree, while the tight angle does help immensely with the two framing the only good thing about it after that is distance but since it has no maneuverability you just become a very easy target to spike/edge gaurd.

[@alejandromolina2802]

@@bridgergriffiths4364 The tight angle is very easy to see so I just grab ledge and I prepare to back air immediately so it just makes its already predictable recovery even more predictable

[@bridgergriffiths4364]

@@alejandromolina2802 TRUE

[@Soundman97]

Cosmos lost to a plant player?!? Was this common knowledge cause it’s new to me

[@Emewn]

Yeah Lucky is very good and Plant is underrated imo

[@Creepo_J]

Skill differential

[@duu1981tiansquare]

cosmos has lost to every single person who has ever played smash bros

[@destruktow5891]

​@@duu1981tiansquareyou could put a random input bot against cosmos and he would go 3-2 against it

[@Soundman97]

@@duu1981tiansquareyo that’s crazy I can’t believe I beat cosmos

[@amphicyon4359]

Love how partway into the discussion it just turns into Marss taking mental damage from green goblin Cosmos

[@licensedpotato7]

I was honestly more hype about Plant than any character revealed in the base roster. It’s so sad what they did to my boy

[@E_Fig05]

I love Piranha Plant. I'm in love with characters that have unorthodox attacks, like Pac Man and Villager.

[@JooshReact]

Duck Hunt moment

[@E_Fig05]

@@JooshReact Duck Hunt's fine, the playstyle just never clicked for me.

[@Hydra_Scope]

Marss getting genuinely mad at this set is comedy gold

[@JooshReact]

The idea of Down-B being a command grab got me so excited dude Imagine if, instead of Down-B pulling the opponent to you, it pulls you to the opponent and does that little bonk thing that whiffing Incineroar Side-B does, and then you could follow up with drag-down Nair, Ptooey or double-jump down-air

[@Mattroid99]

I honestly would love it to be kind of a tether grab and move it to up b lol Both because it would be extremely funny to see the plant grabbing the ledge with his bite and because his current up b is such a terrible, boring move and I would rather make this one replace it and give it another cool move

[@11_turtles]

Cosmos lost to Plant & DK on seperate occasions. With Aegis nonetheless, this is so sad

[@johnowens9216]

Depends on the dk tho cuz alot of them are savages at that level

[@MerryBlind]

Give the plant back its triple jump!

[@liamdoesmath2106]

How to make piranha plant top tier? Easy, just replace all his moves and stats worth those of pyra/mythra. Boom, he’s top tier now

[@megaeeveex]

lunch break time to watch marss

[@octaviodelbarrio]

I love that marss was getting sick of how cosmos was playing while playing coconut mall theme in the background lol

[@misterwiggles8771]

the crazy thing is if you give Piranha Plant more air accel then the whole kit comes together. The same could be said for so many characters tbh Edit 3 minutes later: Marss acknowledged it even lol

[@reallygoodsnusnu]

Plant is actually one of my aegis counterpick characters Edit: making ptooie do max distance every time is a nerf Also use f tilt like lucina jab

[@meesironman]

Make up tilt actually hit on the sides like lil macs

[@hakunahmatata9103]

My first main ever. Love this character

[@monsters2771]

just as an idea for the intro it would help to have plant using the moves in the training lab instead of marss just talking in the chair for the full minute

[@Bradley_War]

Marss and Nairo give cosmos so much sh*t 😂

[@SydwasheretheIII]

Marss gotta install the Nairo plant mod

[@bomitchell]

Yall don’t seem to understand that plant is different lol. Lucky plays that character so well. I hope to see more of him shaking up the game.

[@talkingweevil3172]

Ikr they don’t understand how different plant is and how good plant can be

[@TheCrimson_Phoenix]

10:53 this entire sequence had me shitting my pants 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Creepo_J]

Turnaround is a b reverse but in opposite steps Input a direction, set stick back to neutral, special button

[@mister-sheep]

I was not expecting the Marss roast of Cosmos but I'm here for it.

[@Matpit18]

Just play Piranha Plant every time you face Cosmos. He’ll make that character look BROKEN.

[@talkingweevil3172]

No the thing you need to do is watch lucky play piranha plant and plant will seem broken

[@Cozmix-7]

Marss getting angry at the same time as the commentators is the highlight of this video

[@KonkyDonk]

Pirhana plant needs intangiblity on its head for a few of its moves. Up-smash and F-tilt only have it on the lips which is weird. Also make his head intangible during ledge grab because he is by far the easiest character to 2 frame because the head pokes above the stage.

[@StarChargerStudios]

ALREADY IS 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@chesterjabieski4003]

On the subject of changing characters . . . You know zss’s win screen, the one where she raises her leg in a high, slow arc? Speed that up and make it her up tilt. It has to combo into up air when character enters tumble.

[@jesusdavid4309]

you shoud se more piranha plant videos, every fight is hilarious

[@JohnDavid-eq8jx]

In my opinion, a tier list doesn’t matter when it comes to choosing your main, cuz if your actually GOOD at the game, you can beat players with good or bad characters. Some people just think that taking the easy way out and picking someone too tier (I’m looking at you Steve) means you’ll automatically be good.

[@E_Fig05]

Piranha Plant's Down B shouldn't have the head hurtbox. That would make it better.

[@talkingweevil3172]

Say you don’t play piranha plant without saying you don’t play piranha plant

[@E_Fig05]

@@talkingweevil3172 I play Piranha Plant a little. I mean that he shouldn't get hurt if his head gets hit.

[@talkingweevil3172]

@@E_Fig05 his head isn’t hurt. It only gets hurt if you hit the pot before plant shoots his head out Edit: sorry it can get hurt from some angles at the right time but if plant hits it it will not be hurt

[@DukeThwip]

Unsurprising plant sweep

[@MoFiTheMagnificent]

Lucky is an insane player tbh

[@777paito]

I was playing world of light the other day and had Piranha Plant with speed buffs and found out being faster in exchange of being lighter could really work for plant, youre not good in neutral but you can edgeguard faster and easier

[@zaneharrison4435]

as an MN native lucky is my goat and i think more credit needs to go his way for beating a player like cosmos

[@malachimyall4567]

Just give Plant a zair

[@plabcentral630]

Plant has 4 moves. The ball, the cloud, the nair and the upsmash.

[@plabcentral630]

I forgot upthrow

[@kaiandersen6054]

Lucky is such a good player. Hes from the minnesota local i go to and he is so good. One of the best pirahna plants ive ever seen and one of the best players ive played against

[@usern4metak3ns]

does marss not know his alter ego is chokemos?

[@ThatPenguin]

What do you mean? Piranha plant is already S tier.

[@greedo194]

Cosmos is gonna have a hard time the next time he plays nairo's plant on stream

[@heyiammike]

Laughing so much it hurts.

[@Joshy_369]

Top tier in my heart ♥

[@omlett6482]

now i wonder how Marss would change the other Ledge trap low tier, DDD, since he doesn't really share that many flaws with Plant but has a similar gameplan for the most part.

[@Mykahaia]

Finally! the big questions

[@aidenzorn8322]

Plant gang??

[@Fearaligator123]

PLANT GANG

[@bagel933]

PLANT GANG

[@talkingweevil3172]

PLANT GANG

[@legendarysoil1064]

Piranha plant could get to high mid tier at the highest because even with more advanced tech you’re still playing a mildly shit character with bad buttons

[@talkingweevil3172]

This character isn’t as bad as people say if he wins neutral you will suffer. Also lucky is an amazing piranha plant player.

[@MinminDestroyerOfLowTiers]

Plant may be very bad, but he can actually be kinda fun, he allows a few different playstyles

[@ShinOrashi]

Give Ike his 1.0 NAIR with his other current kit, and he’d be bottom high tier again. . .

[@jonemillester]

Just give sonic movement and good frame data and EWGF

[@johnowens9216]

Tbf lucky is definitely the best plant main out there. There's no shame to losing to a plant if the sauce is evident

[@loganpowers3875]

No, even if you did, Piranha is better off forgotten.

[@lunespeon7055]

I love the plant! Holla at me for a match! 😊

[@happycamperds9917]

IMO removing the SDI multiplier on Up B and making it frame 5 or something might be enough to make Plant top tier.

[@Matthew_Ross]

Goated marss content

[@benyancey6454]

I recently played plant in at my local and got 3rd place. It was rough tho cause I lost to the same olimar player twice talk about a hard matchup

[@meesironman]

Side be needs to come out faster. Backair needs a massive aerial lag reduction. If you fastfall backair from the ledge you literally die. Up tilt needs to hit grounded opponents on the sides of him like little mac or falco. Down b should be aimable instead of just slowly rotating to a side. His up b needs a hitbox on his head and it needs to be less 2 frameable. Nair needs less landing lag so you can reliably combo out of it.

[@stijnstolze3018]

i forgot this character was even in the game

[@Marss_NE]

I will never forget

[@talkingweevil3172]

This character is amazing

[@calebanderson1368]

I like his bair

[@Tonjit41]

9:24 No no. He's RUNNING into a move. Cosmos doesn't know what walking is. Legit can you bully/coach cosmos more? Watching him play is always painful. I literally skip his sets because of it.

[@garrettbradley23]

I play plant and I want to know how plant would be it down b was 360 degrees rotation

[@talkingweevil3172]

It wouldn’t be helpful cause then ur just attacking the ground unless in the air but in the air he can already turn almost 180 which is all you need unless you want to take back something you did so it would just give accommodation for if you made a mistake

[@Oscorpior99]

But fr, who letted them in the kitchen when they put Piranha Plant in E tier. Id give hin a solid B

[@modernprimate3279]

Plant already is top tier wym

[@awesomeized1432]

Did mats say that pirhanna plant has a bad recovery? Like half the cast has a worse recovery than plant honestly. Like it’s exploitable for sure, but when I think of a bad recovery I’m thinking like Max or Doc or Gannon whose recoveries actually suffer for distance.

[@TheSharkAnt]

The Belmonts also have a worse recovery than Piranha Plant.

[@dabiskitt]

PLANT GANG

[@nealrussell3483]

Why did Nintendo not base his off a character that actually exists, like maybe... PETEY PIRANHA?

[@talkingweevil3172]

His ultimate is petey piranha. And it is a real character

[@GrimThrasher]

You should check Lucky, he's a amazing Plant player!

[@lumenessente]

yo lucky my goat he was best in my state for a bit

[@Potbelly535]

I play piranha plant all the time now

[@mitchellc5832]

What do you mean? He’s already S tier, I’m confused.

[@spitzdfs]

Bro lucky is the goat

[@thelastskywalker437]

Oh no I'm too early. Alert me when the funny comments are here

[@FairtrynumberIforgot]

Plant bair should be as strong as bowser F-smash.

[@ryanfrancis3839]

Why/how is Cosmos so bad? I'm genuinely curious. Surely he has at least one fan that knows about this man.

[@CruelSunSsb]

cosmos is not bad, is just REALLY inconsistent

[@deadbeat061]

Peak Cosmos is OD, but playing Aegis actively makes you worse at the game. Mythra gets away with so much that you forget how to play proper neutral

[@britarian]

play isabelle next :DD

[@codyhuddleston]

I'm not great at the game but I'm in plant gang and my buddy says plants OP but I beat him with luigi too and he doesnt say anything

[@teakaykilla8958]

Yo the boy lucky from mn!!

[@tspin5642]

Idk nare can drag down.

[@jeffreybrown8422]

Piranha Plant has 3 air stalls that all force the opponent to commit to options or can mix-up you timings and Plant can up b from the corner and get back. I don't get this bad recovery claim. It's not as exploitable as it looks even on the up-b I usually scoop people in it and stage spike them for edge guarding without a disjoint. Obviously a good player with most tools can his Plant's up-b but BAD makes it sound like one of the actual bad recoveries and it's better than average for sure. Plant is good off stage. It's not just the ledge, Plant is almost better off stage completely. GO pranking people off stage with Plant, it's fun and intuitive. And you can always make it back. I'd like to see more Plant's living off stage like they float above their home pipes with LETHAL GRACE.

[@jeffreybrown8422]

GANK GANK (forgot that)

[@meesironman]

His up b is incredibly 2 frameable and without a jump he's defenseless. At least when you go to spike most characters, theres a hitbox that might trip you up on their up b but pirranha plants is on the side where its useless.

[@jeffreybrown8422]

@@meesironman patooie and down b are both air stalls and hit boxes. You can mix your ledges timings and he can't be defenseless with the air stalls that have hit boxes and always enough time to use all three. You're playing in 5mil GSP

[@meesironman]

@jeffreybrown8422 hahaha good one! You're over here claiming I'm at low gsp when you're the one playing against opponents who apparently aren't competent enough to wait out a couple very slow and obvious air stalls. Not to mention, his "unstoppable" air stalls all have plenty of counter play that a decent opponent will capitalize on. Have you never ran into a captain falcon that up b's you right after you do an off stage down b? Have you ever had an offstage patooie reflected back at you and you die at 60? What about when a lucina just waits and then counters your recovery? What about ness sitting there down smashing? Stall all you want, a good player is going to get you regardless (maybe one day you'll run into one!). Sometimes stalling only gives them more time to set up. Instead of making unbased claims try actually playing the game.

[@sol6483]

No

[@TheSharkAnt]

If I were to add a change I would make to Piranha Plant, I'd probably decrease its weight so that it doesn't get comboed as easily.

[@2cbo_o]

ive been saying pp is tlop tier for years and they calñled me crazy hes actually so good especially his edge guard fuck all u haters hes besxt characteer

[@talkingweevil3172]

His only problem is winning nuetral but if plant can do that you WILL suffer

[@grandmastr2602]

Always has been

[@Trattt]

How to make p plant top tier with one simple change? PK NUETRAL B (Make plants nuetral b controllable like ness up b)

[@talkingweevil3172]

That would make it worse cause it would be so slow

[@xdifficultviper9916]

Most of this video is just trashing cosmos, but hey it’s deserved cosmos plays like he’s the main character when it’s abundantly clear he ain’t got that plot armor 😂😂

[@talkingweevil3172]

But the video should be praising Lucky. The only sets I’ve seen lucky lose was always Steve.

[@ryanlevy2863]

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