Can We Prove That God Exists? (feat. Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P.)

[@vf6068]

Hello fathers, just wanna let you know how much I appreciate your work and sacrifices you make to be shepherds.

[@Donna-cc1kt]

I’m that little old lady. I understood you and took that journey in the simplest way and God revealed. I watched the laws all nature & animals that all abide by. I see His love and care. That is the Father I’ve come to know and desire with Faith, Hope & Love. When Jesus declared the two greatest Commandments He drew me in. May God bless you both. You are challenging and humorous and your educations are admired.

[@99GAZI]

A Franciscan and a Dominican friar walk into a KZbin video… 🤣 loved the combo

[@ruthnoelmarie...9061]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@manuelmartinsoriano3326]

The collab we never knew we needed, thanks be to God!!!

[@svetlanabarrow6026]

Don’t need to prove anything. He is here with us always, and he is watching us, loves us and supports us. And I love him. Seen with my own eyes many times.

[@MrCapi55]

For A heavy subject, An Extra Heavier "Explainer" A magnificent Triple Gift from OUR LORD for us. 1. A Masterly Interconnected Neuro Transmissors on Fr. Gregory´s Brain. 2. The Solid Education of Faculties by Fr. Pine. 3. The Privilege of listening to how this "combination" brings us Into The Resolve of Such a Fundamental Question (Even when your layman servant has to "rewind" the video in many parts for following the Continuity of Quite an Explanation). Thank You Very Much BOTH of You Fathers: The Exposer And "The "Inviter". May GOD Pay You.

[@terricolarusso2639]

I love Fr Pine! I don’t understand most of what he says but the fact that learned men have studied and teach those around Gods existence

[@fionajardine4263]

Nailed it! Thank you Fathers ☺️ When I came to understand faith as a gift rather than I theory I needed convincing of it gave me such peace but I love to be drawn in to my faith deeper through the gifts of reason and intellect. Thank God for all the gifts He grants us!

[@jenlovesjesus]

I came to believe in the existence of God by the grace of God. I wanted to know if God exists, so I asked God to tell me, and He answered my prayer. He showed me that Creation could not exist without God.

[@leonardkozakiewicz8290]

You might want to search the internet for the phrase "circular logic".

[@evantyler888]

@@leonardkozakiewicz8290 I was going to say the same thing, though I do believe in God and am Catholic, having been agnostic before. Anyway, what she said is still impactful but just goes off the premise that she sort of casted a net not knowing what was out there (or if anything was out there at all), and was overwhelmed to find what came back.

[@onemore5952]

So if I ask god and he does not answer, then I am to take that as proof that he doesn’t exist?

[@Love-jf7rs]

That’s actually a quick short-cut to finding God. One could always take the longer route of investigating different religions, and all their sub-groups and trying to figure out the whole maze… Or try to gather enough supernatural evidence to then compare various religions with…which can become dangerous… Quickest and easiest way is Jennifer’s -with nothing to lose really (just a quick prayer)! If God doesn’t answer within a week…then you have to work for it… ;)

[@evantyler888]

@@onemore5952 I can confidently say yes.

[@lauraingeorgia5052]

God has no beginning and no end... & all things had to have been created by someone/something. All this makes me brain hurt. I just KNOW God exists.

[@NoSoupForYouu]

I heard an argument be made that as someone who creates a computer is not in the world of the computer but outside, so is God who created the world but is outside of it. Our world is bound by space, time, and matter. God however, is not

[@a.d1287]

@@NoSoupForYouu lol thats from kent hovind

[@georgesmith364]

me and you are proof he exists

[@follower8815]

God doesn’t have a beginning because He is outside of time. The idea of a “beginning” is only possible with time. Without time, there is literally no such thing as a beginning

[@trentrossdale638]

@@NoSoupForYouu very true and well said! Also love your name!! Lol

[@DeckerBlueray]

I love the interactions between these two fathers

[@nariko47]

Ascension PresEEEEEEnts!!!! 🎉😎 say wuuuuut [air horn] 🙌🏼!!!

[@krokiety5712]

WOOT WOOT

[@mirtham2372]

Wuuuuut!!!🙌😊

[@yvettechua-carrion9224]

Thoughtfully and beautifully said! It goes beyond ,"Quid quid movetur ab alio movetur."

[@crimson_auror]

It often takes a personal encounter with the Lord for a non-believer to believe. I wish I could logically explain God but ultimately it requires faith.

[@trailora6843]

It ultimately requires faith (which is why we have to pray for the non believers). But to receive faith, one has to be open to it (in the sense of being open to the Truth). That's why it is so important to discuss with non-believers about God and Creation, because we can make them transition from "God does not exist, it is a lie invented by men" to "I don't know, maybe God exists" and even "I don't know but I am willing to believe, I open myself to God and I will see what happens". In that last case, God's Spirit begins to work on the person and faith can be born

[@ten_tego_teges]

@@trailora6843 Oof, well said, very well said!

[@leonardkozakiewicz8290]

I have been waiting on a personal encounter with a god all my life. Haven't met one yet.

[@hudgaming_7022]

@@leonardkozakiewicz8290 I have. The craziest experience in my life that solidified my faith.

[@RidesInforests]

This really helped my comprehension in a way I definitely cant explain. Thank you fathers. God bless.

[@cormacks7036]

Im a struggling catholic. Ive recently gotten back into my faith, but every day is a struggle. A priest that I am close with is trying to get be to hear a call to the priesthood, and though I am trying to train myself to hear that call, I don't know If i want it. I feel like if I fully believe in God, then there is nothing more important than me becoming a priest. I am such a scientifically focused mind that leaving it up to "having faith" isn't enough for me. It is frustrating because I want to be 100% in the faith, but my own mind is stopping me from going all in.

[@johnhammond6423]

It seems to me that you are struggling with your faith based beliefs because your critical thinking skills [which are commendable] are getting in the way. Does this not tell you something about the validity of your faith based beliefs? I say this with respect my friend, I respect your right to your beliefs, but as an atheist myself I like most atheists find life without religion and religious dogma is the most satisfying and refreshing way to live our lives. John.

[@annkirstirusiana5965]

@@johnhammond6423 As Fr. Gregory Pine mentioned in 9:09 "By faith, our minds are brought to perfection. That doesn't mean that we just leave our minds behind. We want to advance towards God with all the resources that he has given us, both light of reason and light of faith". You do not need to throw your reason away, what you need is to grow your faith more then let God lead the way. I will pray for you. Have a great week!

[@annkirstirusiana5965]

As Fr. Gregory Pine mentioned in 9:09 "By faith, our minds are brought to perfection. That doesn't mean that we just leave our minds behind. We want to advance towards God with all the resources that he has given us, both light of reason and light of faith". You do not need to throw your reason away, what you need is to grow your faith more then let God lead the way. I will pray for you. Have a great week!

[@johnhammond6423]

@@annkirstirusiana5965 Sigh, thank you for the sermon. But I am an atheist, I don't believe in your God. _'You do not need to throw your reason away'_ Using my power of reason is one of the things that lead me to atheism. _'you need is to grow your faith'_ Faith does not lead to reality. Good testable verifiable evidence does. With respect and in a spirit of friendship my friend, John.

[@annkirstirusiana5965]

@@johnhammond6423 Hello :) My reply was supposedly for Cormack S. Did not intend to mention you in my reply (not familiar with KZbin's reply mechanism). Thus the double comment. I thought it was deleted already. Apologies on any negative impression that this may have caused. I do hope for you to one day arrive at the limits of yourself and discover what is more. Peace, Kirsti

[@Richie016]

Work of God's spirit, in the life of a believer, confirms about His existence.

[@rjskeptic5273]

No it doesn't.

[@Richie016]

@@rjskeptic5273 Your viewpoints do not justify the truth.

[@rjskeptic5273]

@@Richie016 nor does yours.

[@Richie016]

​@@rjskeptic5273 I did not ask from you, Did I?

[@Love-jf7rs]

There are such things as miracles and the supernatural that God works in a believer's life.

[@catherinewetzel417]

Fr Gregory and that intro is so classic him. 😂 We were friends/ classmates while at our university.

[@michelemcdermott75]

Love you both!🙏

[@benedictaang1875]

👍👍👍thank you Fathers 🙏🙏🙏

[@Ceci00]

Your guys videos are wonderful loving watching you both....🌻🙏🤗

[@Wintersghost135]

If one ever finds themselves to be of the agnostic disposition, they may find a pragmatist approach useful. I noted at a young age (teens), that the children that came from the “good” families - the families that promoted God, goodness, wisdom, love, patience, etc - these children tended to have the qualities that most would wish to possess. They had overall happiness that came with good grades, a work ethic of studying hard, the wisdom and righteousness to stay out of trouble, etc. This was in contrast to a lot of trouble makers from broken families I grew up around. If there were no benevolent creator, humans would live according to the law of the jungle like all other animals - the most successful killers and thieves would be the happiness and have the greatest longevity. That’s not usually the case for humans. Humans seem to have a different set of laws than the rest of the animal kingdom in that humans that tend to cause trouble, tend to only find more trouble for themselves. That’s enough evidence for me to follow God and his laws.

[@teenhydroponix134]

can i ask you to defend what i see as a very flawed world view?

[@nuchbutter]

"Concupiscence". I've never used that in any sentence I've uttered or written. Compelling. Because that's the word I'm using for your discourse.

[@bethhoward1982]

These guys are great! What a JOY!

[@BrianAHarkins]

Doesn’t “Let’s kick this pig” have to do with kick starting a Harley?

[@jenlovesjesus]

I wonder, too 🤔

[@lauraingeorgia5052]

That makes sense to me. ☺️

[@lc8119]

I would have not put that together on my own. Thanks for explaining it.

[@christianzwaga9434]

It’s from the Movie Down Periscope

[@Donna-cc1kt]

Yup. So that would mean let’s get started!

[@ibperson7765]

Hello Ascension. Great video. Hey I wanted to let you know two things: one is Im realizing more and more how powerful evolution is in helping some people stay trapped in atheism. Second is evolution is falling apart. An honest take is that it has been disproven. And we never hear about it. Before my change I thought the distance from atheism to theism was shorter than from theism to Christ, but in retrospect that wasnt so. Even if we go ahead and initially presume the self-contradictory philosophy of scientific materialism, we still end up finding overwhelming existence of design and intelligent intervention/creation: 1. Evolution is falling apart: A. I would point someone to a video “the origins of life have NOT been explained” by synthetic organic chemist James Tour. So the first cell is a impossible. With our best tech, we cannot synthesize the simplest possible life of any kind. Many think otherwise but they start with kits that contains organic stuff. Abiogenesis is a sound law. B. Secondly there is no proffered way to increase complexity. From the book Not by Chance we have, “Of all the point mutations that have ever been observed not a single one has increased complexity in the genome. Not one”. Yet the genome contains the info and complexity of a book from the earth to the moon. It can weed OUT unfit forms or optimize a variable value (neck length) but not add complexity. C. On here is one called “Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s..” where the Yale information theorist (and atheist) has mathematically proven that proteins with hundreds of amino acids could not have formed as proposed even if we set the number of generations equal to the total number of single- and multi-cellular organisms that have existed in earth’s history. Theres a quote in that one at 50: 10 that sums it up. That discussion is one of the best Ive seen as it includes brilliant dudes and multiple sides. D. Finally, Darwin thought the Cambrian explosion was a challenge to his theory and very hard to explain. But he thought it was 70 million years long and that cells were simple blobs. We now know a cell is like a city, and that the Cambrian was a mere 5-10 million years. ~60% of multicellular evolution including *all major animal forms* suddenly appeared during the Cambrian. Someone added information to the biosphere’s genome from the outside during the Cambrian. Despite hundreds of thousands of fish fossils having been cataloged from around the globe the last century, and tens of thousands of invertebrates fossils, we have no transitional animal alive today. *Nothing* between the simplest vertebrates (fish) and invertebrates. The gap is so large the intermediate forms should have been robust enough that something survived. Even worse, no such fossils have ever been found! (Three minute one on here “Evolution debunked: fish fossils”) E. Dogmatic and cens*rious evolution-worshippers shut down legitimate science all the time with b*nnings, intimidation, firings, refusals to publish. A rather dated (and kinda goofy) one showing this is “expelled: no intelligence allowed” (i watched it on 2x and even skimmed some but is quite clear). It has since gotten worse. Stephen Meyer is a creationist and Christian, but I do believe is honest. He claims most cellular and evolutionary biologists admit privately evolution as proffered doesnt explain origins or new forms (“evolution explains the survival of the fittest but not the arrival of the fittest”). Even though I had decided the guy was generally honest I was pretty skeptical of that, until I saw the “expelled” thing. 2. With the magnitude of the cosmological constant being pinned down, all of the many cosmological physicists (except one named Sean Carrol) agree that the both the initial conditions and the fundamental constants are on a knife-edge for any complex existence at all and have apparent fine-tuning, and that this begs explanation. Even Alan Guth now acknowledges this. Most of them hope it is anthropic, but Roger Penrose (co-author of A Brief History of Time) says the complex and intricate fine-tuning is so impossible that anthropic is no longer reasonable. (It is vastly more probable to quantum fluctuate into existence for an hour, with memories and a local environment included than find one in the on of 10^XXX universes, which we have no evidence exist). Not only is it now evidence that chance didnt do it, but if designed then the designer is a mathematical genius beyond all comprehension to have created this. Very prominent theoretical physicist Michio Kaku wonders if a universe with any complex ensembles of matter could be achieved any other way at all, since it is so intricate and balanced.

[@christopherfedkiw1976]

Yes! Through His Word!

[@ruthnoelmarie...9061]

5’6 and a half here ...my Momma in her glory day was 5’9 now is 5’4 so get ready to shrink y’all... 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@webtraveler0774]

Wow just wow

[@djaltm8]

Thanks gentlemen.

[@annew-mcmxli5857]

Love you both 💜

[@pauldudley1200]

thank you

[@susannaida1672]

The bible talks about God and the Holy Spirit.well done bothers.

[@mirtham2372]

Father Mark is hilarious!!!😂

[@Teamfra]

Love this 🤩🤩😎😎🙌🏻🙌🏻💫💫

[@barbaracimini1447]

You guys are so cute!❤️

[@GardenMinistry.]

There are people who have seen God ☺️ John 14:9 : Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time, and you do not know Me yet, Philip, nor recognize clearly who I am? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’ "

[@regis_red]

That's exactly that. There is proof, the issue is that it's not accepted.

[@GardenMinistry.]

@@regis_red Amen!

[@leonardkozakiewicz8290]

@@regis_red You were raised in a religion that taught the Bible as the proof of your god. Hindus were raised in a different religion that taught their holy book was proof of their gods. The Romans believed in their gods and their holy books. The Greeks in theirs. And so on and so on. So who is right? Do you even know that most of your religious beliefs come from other religions that predate your religion by centuries? You don't need to believe me. Look it up for yourself.

[@regis_red]

@@leonardkozakiewicz8290 I believe in the god who spoke to me one day and told me personally to follow him. I chose my religion willingly and I know Him. He is Jesus the son of God who gave His life for me. I've read about mythologies and religions since I was a child. I know them all gods. None are like Him.

[@yonirecinos7571]

Man o man this is real food 🥑🥑🥑

[@Bugsy0333]

Still waiting for the proof .

[@myrcha3875]

So true...

[@georgesmith364]

Hey Fr. Mark i have these "weird" thing going on were i have a Padre Pio relic that smells like Incense and a Rosary that smells like wine please help me figure out what is going on.

[@danielleellitson4870]

God made us all different according to the different needs of the community so that each work has a place and it’s all cohesive for the needs of the entire human race. Each person’s intellect is generally proportional to what role they need to play in salvation history. (Don’t want to give examples so as to downplay the intellect needed for each person’s occupation - just mean we need people who won’t become impatient doing menial things consistently for years (St. Joseph of Cupertino). Except, maybe for Mary and Joseph who were far more intelligent than their rural life allowed them to express. What I mean is, if you’re able to understand more why don’t you read more so that you can assimilate more. Getting to know God more on all levels of your humanity is an offering by you TO God, because it’s obeying the first commandment. To whom more is given, more is expected, so give everything. Your lofty understanding as well. Because if you pursue knowledge in obedience to the commandments you become like St. Thomas and co. (Your pursuit finds it’s perfection), but if you read up more just to pretend to be highbrow, know that you run the risk of missing the point and an uneducated person (St. Faustina) may end up knowing more than you and it will all be a toil in the wind and egg in your face… lots of words, small screen, hope that makes sense!

[@danielleellitson4870]

Egg ON your face? *English is not my first language = my excuse

[@danielleellitson4870]

But also: “interiorize”😜

[@leonardkozakiewicz8290]

I did use my intellect to try to understand God but all I found pointed to religion being a con to amass money and power. Would a real god allow all the evil and pain caused in this world in his name?

[@Enigmatic_philosopher]

Upon reviewing the video, it is evident that there are certain unsubstantiated claims made throughout the conversation. These claims lack empirical evidence or logical reasoning to support their validity. Here are a few examples: 1. The claim that "god is invisible and because we come to knowledge of higher things through lower things." While this statement presents a perspective on how knowledge of spiritual realities is attained, it lacks empirical evidence or logical justification. The assertion that God is invisible and that knowledge of higher things can only be acquired through lower things is a subjective interpretation rather than a universally substantiated fact. 2. The claim that "reality does not have a sufficient explanation for itself." This claim suggests that reality lacks an inherent explanation and requires external sources, such as a first principle or God, to provide an adequate explanation. However, this claim assumes that reality necessitates a cause or explanation, which may not be universally accepted or substantiated. It is a philosophical assertion that requires more rigorous argumentation and evidence to be considered a valid claim. 3. The claim that "we're made to the image and likeness of God." While this claim aligns with religious beliefs, it is an assertion based on faith rather than empirical evidence or logical reasoning. The concept of humans being made in the image and likeness of God is a theological belief that may not be universally accepted and requires faith-based acceptance rather than empirical substantiation. In response to these unsubstantiated claims, it is essential to approach them with critical thinking and skepticism. It is important to seek evidence, logical reasoning, and empirical support when evaluating claims about the nature of reality, the existence of God, or the purpose of human beings. Engaging in open dialogue, considering diverse perspectives, and evaluating claims based on their evidential and logical merits can lead to a more informed and balanced understanding of these complex topics.

[@eskercurve]

Proof of God will never be satisfied in a secular sense. It truly is beyond cause and effect. It truly is beyond our senses.

[@johnhammond6423]

In other words God can not be shown to exist but is only a faith based assertion?

[@Historybuffhere]

You have made good points. I don’t think it is necessary to criticize atheist professors in supporting your argument. I suspect theist philosophers may question/criticize Aquinas’ arguments as well.

[@heloaafcha7914]

He didn’t criticize, he stated a fact.

[@skilletman16]

This video doesn't really explain the subject though

[@onemore5952]

👍👍👍👍

[@ruthnoelmarie...9061]

Seriously though...that psychotic look brought me here...🤣

[@Davidjune1970]

Even Christ avoided the samarian Villiage who he learned was not welcoming to his preaching on his way to Jerusalem. If someone doesn’t believe in God because they do not see any proof from leaving Christianity or other source … let them be, you will never convince someone who is anti-God. Only those who seek God actually find him, if someone comes to you seeking knowledge of God then they are open to learning.

[@lzdec1057]

Reason asking is I would like to share to a atheist but don't think this would let them come to God

[@Love-jf7rs]

Show them videos of recorded hauntings -those help :) (are many on YTube)

[@travisbicklepopsicle3255]

@@Love-jf7rs Recorded hauntings? Nah. What evidence exists demonstrating those videos aren't hoaxes, or aren't just natural phenomena?

[@Love-jf7rs]

@@travisbicklepopsicle3255 Look at the recordings from cctv of institutions such as police station footage or cemetary footage or hospital footage

[@thehausen5054]

@@travisbicklepopsicle3255nah. Watch William lane Craig, trent horn, or read Thomas Aquinas if you want to give supporting evidence for God. Not hoaxy staged ghost videos

[@theadventuresofedlucille]

why does Fr Gregory have scary looks on thumbnails with his bright eyes😂

[@MistaSCARY]

The Golden Ratio Proves God Exists... Intelligent Design Requires an Intelligent Designer... GOD

[@parysethibodeau9474]

Oh Fr Gregory the letters you’re going to get for that comment lol 🦵🐖🤣

[@lzdec1057]

Dunno if I was correct I told them . Have they seen a million dollar bill? They said no . Well it's there but they didn't see . Such as God we have faith he is .

[@andiebrodie3936]

Or dear Fathers to put it simply...let us listen to dear Saint Faustina who saw Jesus, those who have Jesus, have seen the Father - a little less wordy x

[@lala-no6hn]

😂 so funny way to explain

[@lzdec1057]

That is very confusing and how does it prove God's existence.

[@cnault3244]

"How familiar are you with St. Thomas Aquinas’s 5 proofs on the existence of God?" I'm familiar enough with them to know they aren't proofs for the existence of god. Aquinas presented arguments/premises for the existence of a god.

[@lzdec1057]

Person I want to convince believes in logic

[@m.j1417]

Lol same here man😩...he looovess science🤷‍♀️

[@myrcha3875]

It dos work because it happened to me and many times. You have to beleive and do what Christ told us to do and watch the result WOW.

[@reznet2]

I'm a catholic, but every time I hear a Thomistic explanation it just comes across as such garbage. Why can no one explain this stuff well? I'm a THEIST and this doesn't convince me to this day... thank God for the gift of faith I guess

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

Every tuesday (I think), Fr. Pine livestreams on this channel and answers questions. If you have an interesting question, I would recommend you to ask him directly, he will gladly answer it (especially if it's about thomism ;) ). You have to be early, though, because he gets lots of questions. If I remember correctly, he lives in Switzerland, so if you live in the US, you have to be early. I live in Germany and last week he streamed around 5 PM at my local time, so depending on where you live, you have to be a couple of hours earlier. Btw, I don't know if you knew this, but if I remember correctly, you don't have to believe in Aquinas's teachings as a Catholic, because they're not dogma. They're the preferred teachings of the Church, but not "official". Transsubstatiation is still a dogma, but not Aquinas's way of explanation. I hope you know what I mean. It's like the Orthodox who believe it's a divine mistery but don't know the technicalities.

[@reznet2]

@@wilhufftarkin8543 Yeah, except Aquinas is a DOCTOR of the church so his teachings have SERIOUS weight. I've seen Fr Pine's responses and some debates and he's really not good at explaining anything, only confusing things even more. He needs to use simple language rather than leaning on his academic background. I am an engineer and many engineers do the same thing where they'll use extravagant technical terms to 'wow' the crowd but not end up explaining anything meaningful. I think it's just a waste of time unless you're in a theology or philosophy class. For the average person, after watching his videos I doubt they would be able to competently summarize what he says because its 90% technical jargon that needs MORE explaining-- like using the term catharsis instead of relief. Forces you to dig through to do even more research rather than having the explainer just be a good explainer. I'm not the only one with this problem, bud, and frankly unless you're a philosophy/theology student I doubt you understand what he says either.

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

@@reznet2 I think it's good that we have someone like Fr. Pine who is on the technical side of things. We already have so many apologists who explain things in simple ways, like Bishop Barron for example, so I find Fr. Pine is a good addition. Also, you have to keep in mind that Fr. Pine is a student himself, so I think he partially uses the streams to solidify the stuff he has studied for himself. I'm a math student and when I was an undergrad, we had a professor who thought it was very important that we read about the philosophies of ancient Greece (I love him for introducing me to this world). He never expected us to understand the stuff on the first go. When you don't understand something, you pause and think about it and read it again until you understand it. I honestly don't find most of the things Fr. Pine talks about that hard to understand and English isn't even my first language.

[@reznet2]

@@wilhufftarkin8543 bishop Barron is not any better at explaining things. He uses flowery language and darts in and out of truth and things that can be misconstrued. He coddles the ears and creates confusion. Why would we need Fr Pine if we wanted to get technical? We have Aquinas. What we NEED is better explainers. Cuddos to you if you can understand him where the other 90% of us cannot. In the words of Richard Feynman, "If you can't explain something in simple terms, you don't understand it."

[@homiesenatep]

Yup, it is impossible to really prove God. With the gift of faith, like you said, is the real way of 'seeing' Him

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

Let's turn the question round - Can you prove that God does NOT exist?

[@Valdrex]

We don't prove negatives. That would be like me asking you to prove leprechauns don't exist. If you claim god exists, show evidence for her existence. Given insufficient evidence, I remain unconvinced.

[@Regular_Pigeon]

soooo.... no?

[@Topazdemonia]

Besides of the obviously problem of why does reality need and a cause when god doesn't. I think some more questions would be, why is the presupposition commonly held by christian apologists that "nothing" is both, possible and the original state of existence?

[@josephmiller3672]

Both of these come to the problem of infinite regression. We can observe that reality (at least currently) is caused. We can also observe that things in reality don't cause themselves. We can go back and back, observing the causes of causes and the causes of those causes, but we can't do this ad infinitum. If causes have been causing from eternity, then there is nothing causing the causation, it's just turtles all the way down. There has to be something that causes causation but isn't caused itself, otherwise we'd just be back where we started. This thing can't have any potential to change, but it just has to BE because what it is, is that it IS. This isn't to show the existence of the Christian God or even a personal God, but just that there has to be something that causes everything else to be. To answer your second question, that presupposition is held because it's the most rational of all the alternative beliefs. If we don't, we have to answer the question of infinite regression. If "nothing isn't possible and the original state of existence, then what caused causation?

[@tryingnottobeasmartass757]

Nothing is not the original state of existence. Nothing means nothing. Nothing cannot have states of existence because nothingness is not a something that exists. Why does reality need a cause? The way the universe functions, every effect has a cause. This is how reality is. This is how the universe works. God transcends the universe. Since He is not subject to its laws nor is He an effect, He does not need a cause.

[@dezmondaigilo]

Question. Isn't the gospel both a thing of spirit and intellect. Don't peopl have to understand the gospel or the idea of God in order to properly obey the laws and commandments of God and Christ. Father Pine said everybody doesn't have to be philosophers. But only philosophers ever truly appreciate who God is and the miracle of life.

[@bogoney]

You should have heard what I told the pope . Prophecy does prove the existence of God simply because nobody’s that smart nobody’s that intelligent . I see people calling them selfs and other people them a prophet . But they can’t prophesied . If someone did do prophecy for real . People still wouldn’t listen. They would rather fight.

[@tomascua6377]

faith is the only proof of god period

[@philhart4849]

02:24 "God is invisible" presupposes the existence of the said god. 02:32 "Spiritual reality" is a nonsense phrase. 02:41 "Supernatural reality" there is no such thing as the supernatural. ... etc This presentation has got more holes in it than a colander.

[@justinmojica7112]

Obviously something can't come from nothing...though think bout that when you think bout evil suffering and death ...where did that originate? Cause and effect as a scientific fact proves the exsistence of some conciousness with a powerfull will that orchestrates this universe to behave exactly the way it dose to produce this effect orbit...gravity ...chaos? ...abyss Eccho??? 👌💘✌😠😇👿oh let's not forget shadow

[@heathenthatheretic5960]

@ 4:39 so the evidence of God is your inability to conceive that the world could have just been without a hand from your particular god. Our lack of understanding the universe and how it came to be is not evidence of a god at all. And the reason you're the height you are is souly based on genetics and your environmental pressures! Noo no no. You're blaming the human/atheist (Which I am) for the lack of evidence of a god or any god for that matter. That's like blaming an abused woman for her abusers actions. This is nothing more that a fallacious argument and the god of the gaps fallacy! @9:00. Faith is not knowing! Never in anyone's life have they said they had faith about knowing a math answer. We never use faith for anything that we know. We either know it or we don't. I don't say. " I have faith my car will start". Unless you're using faith in the place of hope. In which hope is not knowledge. It's simply wishing

[@wms72]

The god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, so they don't see the clear proofs of God that are in Nature.

[@josephinedorion1450]

NO. I CANNOT PROVE TO YOU THAT THERE IS GOD. BUT....you can make one. for GOD is whatever you want it to be. ( The GOD defined here as the lifeforce that runs everything there is. )

[@cnault3244]

"Can We Prove That God Exists? " Maybe. Step one would be to clearly define god without employing any logical fallacies. What is your clear definition of god?

[@rjskeptic5273]

god of the gaps argument from incredulity circular reasoning false dichotomy special pleading argument from ignorance begging the question Take your pick

[@rjskeptic5273]

@BasedLeaf "first uncaused cause," god of the gaps.

[@rjskeptic5273]

@BasedLeaf the argument is not a demonstration, nor is it evidence. Your use of the word created is special pleading. "rely on their causal power." Not true. I do not rely on my parents even though they are the cause. "wholly uncontingent." Name something wholly uncontingent.

[@teenhydroponix134]

@Typhus how do the things in our world rely on their causal power

[@teenhydroponix134]

@Typhus What do you mean by essence? How is it separate from its existence? Why must things in this world derive their existence from an extrinsic source?

[@teenhydroponix134]

@Typhus Why is it that existence CANNOT follow upon anything, given its primacy? I believe that is the crux of your argument, yes?

[@Big_Steve11]

Now all we need is a Jesuit and we've got the Big Three

[@Drudenfusz]

What makes you think that nothing was even an option? Maybe some laws of nature are the way they are because they can only be that way. Sure, we can imagine some things to be different, but our imagination doesn't create things, there are no dragons because someone can imagine dragons to be real. Maybe there is only one way the universe can be and that might not require a deity, since it was always going to be the way it is. The idea that people can train their mind on god sounds to me very much like self-indoctrination. If you enjoy that, have fun, but I find it somewhat unhealthy and thus decline to do that to my brain, but I prefer to keep an open mind for all possibilities.

[@onemore5952]

Drudenfusz, I take my hat off to you, bravo 👍👍👍👍

[@marianweigh6411]

Begs the question : why is there only one way the universe can be ?

[@onemore5952]

@@marianweigh6411 why does it have to be only one way?

[@michaelanderson4849]

This explanation can only stem from a sadly unsuccessfull education in natural sciences. A combination of, at best, popular scientific understanding of physics and unproportionally long time spent studying philosophy from a theological angle is a recipie for a sad cake.

[@JohnR.T.B.]

The most evident evidence of the existence of God is Jesus Christ, He is God in the flesh, for Jesus Himself has said "whoever has seen me has seen the Father", as Philip asked Jesus 'show us the Father'. His works and authority testify that Jesus is God, the Son.

[@mauicamua]

your claiming, not making facts with evidence. but good try and stau safe

[@chriskramschuester9492]

Get to the point guys … take notes from Fr Mike

[@nuno09]

A person who has witnessed and experienced a revelation is not a very good evangelist, when I see atheists trying to defend their position I can only see something like an 8 year old toddler trying to dismantle a midsummer night's dream and saying it is very dumb or it makes no sense. they have no idea what they are talking about and I can't find the words to describe what it is they don't understand, I just feel sorry for them. Edit: maybe if I really spend the time learning and researching all about these things that I could be an evangelist or an apologist, but there is something that is talking on the back of my head when I do that it says "I already know this why am I studying it?"

[@teenhydroponix134]

well, to me, it's the "believers" who seem to fumble with their arguments. what exactly is it about an atheist's argument that you think it resembles an eight year old's take on a midsummer night's dream?

[@nuno09]

@@teenhydroponix134 everything, as I've said I'm not well read in apologetics but I've personally experienced a revelation and I can't stress this enough, it's not that I only believe that God exists, (thus the term "believer") I know he exists. And whenever an atheist tries to make an argument against God its like convincing someone that the Sun is not real. You know it is real, and you see it you experience its effect everyday.

[@teenhydroponix134]

@@nuno09 Yes, we can see the sun. Please explain to me how you see god, as well as how the way you see god doesn't boil down to just how you interpret the world around you.

[@nuno09]

@@teenhydroponix134 I can't that the whole point of my post, as ive Said I'm not a good evangelist / apologist. I can't put into words how I see God. Tell me how can you explain to someone who is blind at birth what colors looks liie without alluding to your own experience.

[@teenhydroponix134]

@@nuno09 I cannot describe colours to them. They do not have sight. I can say that there are different colours, like there are different sounds or sensations, but i cannot describe colours to someone who doesn't have sight, just like i can't explain different sounds to someone who is deaf. That's not what's happening here. If an omnipotent, omniscient god were truly real, then his presence should be felt by everyone, yet it is not. My primary question is, how can you know something shows the existence of god? What if the things you assume to be the signs of a creator are simply just worldly events that you've interpreted in your own way?

[@socialismfails]

Anyone else questioning if this is pride month? Social media and the mainstream media is sooooooooooo subtle about it.

[@onemore5952]

Oh Socialism…. what are going to do with you, eh? 🏳️‍🌈🧸🌸🌈😀

[@leonardkozakiewicz8290]

Aquinas? Really?

[@benhutchinson9808]

Yes.

[@freshliving4199]

No. You cannot prove anything to anyone. They need to discover it themselves.

[@trailora6843]

You cannot prove anything to anyone, that's for sure. But that doesn't mean you don't have a role to play in other people's conversions. Jesus-Christ Himself asks his Apostles to make disciples of all nations. No one discovers faith by himself, it comes from God and life's experiences brought by God. But God works through people, so we have a duty to inform and evangelize. To receive faith, one has to be open to it (in the sense of being open to the Truth). That's why it is so important to discuss with non-believers about God and Creation, because we can make them transition from "God does not exist, it is a lie invented by men" to "I don't know, maybe God exists" and even "I don't know but I am willing to believe, I open myself to God and I will see what happens". In that last case, God's Spirit begins to work on the person and faith can be born

[@freshliving4199]

@@trailora6843 Is this how you found God?

[@observer73]

If you doubt that God exists, that means you haven't used your brain. Even the animals don't have that doubt.

[@juliemctague9756]

Total waste. I guess I had better read St. Thomas Aquinas a bit more. It’s why Catholicism is diminishing.

[@misterprogressive8730]

Terrible argument. Changing how the observer observe the observed would not change the observed. The observed is always independent from the observer. The observer depends on perception and understanding to produce an explainantion about the observed. When you observe nature and you find god, it is like observing a shrimp and seeing a crab. The argument from contigency is terrible one as well because being is not a constant phenomena. Being is always changing in time. Thus what is essential can never be pinpointed in a moving time but simply a snapshot of one specific moment in time. You should not let your philosophical growth to get stuck in the middle ages. The discussion about metaphysics is still going on untill now.