Can We Trust the Media? (Baudrillard) - 8-Bit Philosophy

[@XieYali]

Audible advertisement on Baudrillard episode. The irony is thick.

[@AlexMagma]

AND it has a fake citation of aristotle as a joke

[@leunammikyasa64]

Capitalist realism

[@crudboy12]

This is the most ironic video to have sponsor ads on.

[@tahamoujtahid]

jup thought the exact same XDD

[@BrandonByerly-Sam9501]

Perhaps that used it as a hint! Maybe their sponsors aren't what they say they are!!!

[@afkueczq3441]

AND IT'S AMAZON LFMAO

[@supermanadamio]

This is great. Can we trust 8-Bit Philosophy?

[@thebatmanover9000]

supermanadamio They give the content and it is up to us to form our own truth from it.

[@SandyRodriguez]

supermanadamio i personally think we should never trust no one ever is our right and job to question everything around us. dont be another sheep.

[@rolandsmith1953123]

thebatmanover9000 how can you from your own truth if you only see one small side of that truth?

[@thebatmanover9000]

roland smith You should do a response video to this one.

[@CaptCutler]

thebatmanover9000 The way this video is presented, no, it's not up to us. There is no dissenting view on this to contrast. No "truth" to be had. We can only choose to accept the statements as agreeable or not. I find it very agreeable, but then again, I am not familiar with any positive arguments for modern media, lol.

[@baileyholden654]

i love how this ends in an ad! who can trust 8-bit philosophy???

[@swinuyasha]

Bailey Holden at least the ad was at the end of the video. lol

Bailey Holden Oh, the irony!

[@burningjungleghost]

At least it was an informative ad and related to the topic with some creativity. Warner brothers makes anonymous masks, doesnt mean they are "good guys" This is the reverse type of situation.

[@danterowland7293]

"Don't be a dick"- Socrates

[@crisisofdemocracy8940]

Dante Rowland "Go fornicate yourself!"-Socrates

[@mccl0ut]

"The problem with quotes on the internet is that they are often not true" -Abraham Lincoln

[@crisisofdemocracy8940]

Inverted Upside Down"Anything is a dildo if you're brave enough."-Abraham Lincoln

[@THEGREATMAX]

Crisis of Democracy "That's what she said" --- Albert Einstein

[@Tumoxa89]

Dante Rowland "Never trust a quotes posted on the internet" - Lenin

[@mckennakearns202]

i just think its ironic that a media source is telling us whether or not we can trust the media

[@MarkArandjus]

Can We Trust the News? Short answer: No. Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooo.

[@MarkArandjus]

***** b cuz

[@fadi77fadi77]

Mark Arandjus i c

[@jasonulloa]

parasiticjustice o k

[@YisYtruth]

Baudrillard always makes my head spin, even in this more digestible version.

[@eliseweusthuis]

I find that whenever I watch the news with someone who is knowledgeable about the subject it turns out to be either incomplete, inaccurate, irrelevant or taken out of context.

[@TheoryPhilosophy]

This sort of analysis, while pertinent, often contributes to the placement of Baudrillard into a thinker of the media. Baudrillard's ideas of simulation extend much further, questioning the relationship we have with biology, nature and history to just name a few. By avoiding these domains of Baudrillard's thought, I fear that we construct an image of Baudrillard that is wholly not his own but is the one we bestow upon him for the convenience of being able to talk about what we find important (i.e. the media). Still good stuff tho!

[@112steinway]

I wonder what Baudrillard would think of the selfie.

This is predominantly why democracy is pretty much nearly impossible in a Capitalist society. If the media has to make money using advertising, please corporate sponsors and compete with other media outlets, then it creates an incentive to tell you things which are not true or embellish non-events to attract more viewers. The corollary is viewers will be naturally drawn to the channel which entertains them the most. The so-called free-market is designed specifically to give us what we want right now, without acting ethically on what we need, which in this case is unbiased, pertinent information on the world. We are, after all, trained to be entertained by advertising and frivolities.

[@pauliedibbs9028]

As a viewer, I very much appreciate you placing your sponsors at the end of your videos. One could only wish all content providers had such respect and etiquette towards their audience.

[@jazminescamilla230]

I love how this video is about the danger of advertising and then at the end there is an audible advertisement. Just ironic. I loved this video btw so I am not hating

[@marb9708]

That is why scientific method is the real tool of progress and knowledge. Rational thinking. Factual Skepticism. Despite the silliness of modern postmodernism.

[@ArdbodiedE]

For as long as we percieve the world through our senses, we can never be sure that what we're observing is actually "reality", anyway

[@nicoleboudreau2646]

Boxjuice But at least what our senses detect do not conflict with each other. The main issue is the incoherency of the media.

[@dutchangelo6557]

It's real enough for me :)

[@dutchangelo6557]

Perceived reality that is.. Not the news as we get to perceive it haha

[@Unethicist]

Boxjuice Yes, you are, in fact, observing "actual" reality. But the subjective one. But for the objective one, there is nothing to talk about. Its existence cannot be proved, and since it had not disappeared, its absence cannot be proved either. It has always been absent.

[@thebatmanover9000]

I trust internet news to a higher degree, mainly because I can fact check the claims better here than from a television.

[@PrakashMatthew]

lol how the episode ends with audible and gone girl cracked me up..hope they're still funding you :D

[@markobarrows4304]

OK this is a new high watermark. Fucking painfully hilarious. Props to 8Bit.

[@donfolstar]

It appears as though people were lying their asses off for the last poll.

[@DarkArtistKaiser]

donfolstar Whys that?

[@edwinkuria1887]

I miss this real of Wisecrack. Self-fulfilling prophecy, much.

[@burrcorley]

That's hilarious to follow this one with an advertisement

[@jetipre1839]

It's a paradox: That we require advertising revenue to support an honest interpretation of a 20th century philosopher's critique of advertising in a consumerist society. Here, we are consuming critical thought. If relevant and truthful, not difficult to ingest, even if itself fed by advertising of some sort.

[@Kingcob7]

Congratulations on your sponsorship 8-Bit Philosophy team :) It seems like a good match :)

[@aserta]

In the world after the cigarette experiment (for those who know, high five) nothing can be trusted. Heck, even things right before your eyes should be questioned. I think leniency and complacence have worked against us in the worst ways possible when it comes to media and even historic retelling.

[@jrizos]

Best video series on KZbin, bar none.

[@albucarcassartist]

you've got to believe in the Durden

[@Kwikfix747]

You are the best thing on youtube. The internet founders would be chuffed w this content reaching people

[@Majnun74]

I’m reading ‘Simulation & Simulacrae’ right now. Extremely fascinating in a Francis Bacon Idols of marketplace kind of way.

[@markuskrakowski1022]

This series is so facinating

[@TheSBincorporated]

To all of those who question the trustworthyness of the media, you must also ask the question: "Can I allow myself to trust, and if so, to whom?" Of couse what is so amazing about philosophy, is that it creates more questions than answers, and they can only be answered by those who are questioned. There is no definitive answer for sure.

[@vincent.mazkett187]

Can we trust the media OR its SOURCES they found???

[@codycurtin2295]

I forgot all about these videos! I was in a rush this morning, late to my high paying advertising gig (freelance economy amirite!) and needed my daily Baudrillard boost so as I can continue to increase the ecstasy of communication that the masses are all hooked on. Anyways none of this is real, and neither am I, tootles!

[@Pattycake1165]

It seems to me that all philosophy boils down to is that the only thing you should really focus on is your personal happiness and forget about the problems of the world cause there really is no use trying to change anything because it is what it is. Sounds like a solid way to live, sign me up.

[@XieYali]

***** Actually, I think that might be the main root cause of the whole problem.

[@hesta72]

It's so hard to distinguish news/information from advertising... especially when the source trying to explain this to me is really an ad for audiobooks :O

[@lifeismusicization]

The irony in the audible ad. Baudrillard would not be amused.

[@Ch0c0lateThunder1213]

I wish I could've seen this prior to my readings of Baudrillard - an actual reading of Simulacra and Simulation, Symbolic Exchange and Death, Forget Foucault, Seduction, Fatal Strategies, etc., was ridiculously hard for me, given that I was reading them by and for myself (not as a requirement for a Philosophy class, as I'm still in High School). I think that another one of these centered on Symbolic Exchange and Death would be great, or better yet, one exploring the concept of reversibility in relation to Symbolic Exchange would be great. I'm not saying I don't understand the concepts, albeit trivial, rather it's that a lot of people usually have trouble grasping the concepts of Symbolic Exchange and Reversibility, if not for the more notorious concept of seduction (i.e. "The subject desires, the object seduces."). Thanks again, I'll definitely direct people that are interested in a Intro to Baudrillard to this channel/video. I think y'all should do one on Deleuze next; Baudrillard does read like a Dark Deleuze, in a sense.

[@IsaacDavis69]

I feel like the bombastic imagery in this video meant it was criticizing its self

[@g4merlyfe]

I like the use of reward sequences from games of my generation.

[@benaaronmusic]

So entertaining and thought provoking. Love the videos, Wisecrack.

[@vhsaves]

The tied up woman at 1:02 is giving me Déjà Vu.

[@WeirdedOutShiba]

this reminds me of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy

[@knightwing0169]

Very pedagogical❤️ Umpteenth.

[@jackronesto8182]

Funny, I just finished a semester-long project concerning the advertising and sensationalizing of the news. This video would have been great to show when I was doing my presentation a week ago.

[@alaen2]

I miss these videos :(

[@nicholascraigen8856]

I love 8-Bit Philosophy. Keep up the good work!

[@franciscocannalonga7884]

Yes! Excellent, the more Marxist philosophy, the better. This video already tackles some of the critiques made by Guy Debord in his Society of the Spectacle, but that could be a great video too. Other Marxist thinkers whose thinking could render some great videos: Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer - Dialectics os Enlightment Herbert Marcuse - Eros and Society or One-Dimensional Man Louis Althusser - Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses Raymond Williams - The Long Revolution Erich Fromm - Fear of Freedom Walter Benjamin - The Work of Art in the Age of its Mechanical Reproduction One wild card - Andre Bazin's theory of realism in film (What is Cinema?)

[@AqworldsAuildere]

Damn! That captioning is beautiful!

[@undeadpresident]

I trust anything in 8-bit with nostalgic Nintendo game graphics and music.

[@Third_Eye_on_the_Sky]

undeadpresident Lol! They were definitely betting on that. Using nostalgia to peddle hidden misinformation amongst a little truth what a joke.

[@JuanPabloSelvaje]

Pretty light on the Baudrillard.

[@Mad_S]

4:13 no, no. I feel sufficiently worried.

[@kaleidyscope86]

Yes, the lines between informative content and advertising certainly are being blurred...

[@gestet]

Ok so the great irony of this vid was near the end when the audible ad came on!

[@Permafry42108]

rule of thumb: don't trust. Falsification is what allows us to learn the closest to truth possible. Scientific truth may not be infallible due to fundamental philosophical conundrums, but so far its the best method we got.

[@Tabooveggie]

I feel like I'm watching a metal gear solid cutscene.

[@MarcAbela]

Probably just me but... Not a personal fan of the digital music which at times blends or even covers the speaking to which I am trying to deliver most of my available attention. Something tells me the message would travel further if not surrounded with what many (me at least) might contemplate as just signal noise... Otherwise great work, great review, thanks for speaking about Baudrillard, and the content got my like 👍 .

[@bhiav]

2015: Can we trust the media? 2023: I should have taken this question a lot more seriously. My arm hurts and everyone I know has myocarditis.

[@jorng1986]

*looks at actual baltimore protests* *looks at news* no

[@jamtmill]

Best episode yet. keep it up

[@himanshuwilhelm5534]

Is there a video on "nothing is true, everything is permitted"?

[@SkittlesInYourHand]

The way I look at most interactions, trust others 0%, family members 10%, and yourself 50%.

[@ISamuelII]

To ask the question is to invite ridicule. Of course with their primary goal to sell advertisement time slots to the greatest bidder... and if you take careful notice, you will see an advertisement included with in a freeway crash story. They are there to sell things, books, movies, events, politics, views, and you allow it.

[@ISamuelII]

ISamuelII ps, Paul is dead. The give away is in the chin and ears.

[@chestyp1]

When are you going to make a video about Dewey or Wittgenstein!

[@Lutarin]

its ironic, after the media, advertising and news teme then you do an advertice for audible

[@hot4crocs443]

This brings the question, "Can we trust 8-Bit?" and furthermore, "Can we even trust ourselves if we're feeding ourselves possible false information, and believing that information wholeheartedly?" If we begin to believe lies, how will we know the truth? In fact, how do we know that this isn't even the "real world"? What if this is all a figment of imagination, or some masquerade for a select few to hide them from the real life? I'm bantering again... aren't I?

[@neonpop80]

+hot4crocs It isnt real at all. Its an illusory projection from a system that acts like a mirror creating the illusion of an 'I' from which a point of view is experienced. The creator of this projection is consciousness and the self is lost in its perception and beliefs to forget how to self reflect and turn the mirror so as to see the truth of things, that when looked so deeply into oneself one can find emptiness. You come up empty. And that is where the treasure we actually seek but deny out of fear and avoidance of self dissolution lay. We suffer from a dissociative disorder obsessed with looking outside of ourselves and grasping on to false imagery to comfort the lie and a-void the abyss that is the pool of void from which we peek.

[@CarlosSanchez-ev3bn]

so this episode is about simulacra simulacrum .....look it up ...have fun.

[@Tsalviatti]

I've been reading 'How to read Donald Duck' and I really think that the theories on the book could be an excellent follow-up for this episode.

[@roberts.9299]

Did even try to answer question, and ending was hella ironic.

[@gothicfan51]

3:05 who's that guy on the right? He looks like Richard D Wolff, but it would not make sense to have him there...

[@EliValk]

Gothicfan51 It's Baudrillard, the philosopher they're talking about. Indeed, he looks a bit like R.D.Wolff.

[@aintsaint1405]

THIS IS ART

[@DeathMetalOnToast]

The viewer polls are a cool feature, you should try to implement those more :)

[@MrETV20]

We don't KNOW anything man you can only THINK and be correct and no matter what ANYONE THINKS there whole lives reality is absolute

[@leondeziozgara9849]

The comments about the final ad are hilarious

[@bishopvilleunited]

In lieu of this media vid, you should do one on Marshall McLuhan - Medium is the message, hot/cold media, Laws of Media (personal fave).

[@CrazyRandomLord]

the newsgirl from conquest of the crystal palace

[@antediluvianspy5371]

This one didnt need to be a question. They are there to desensitize us to violence and keep us apathetic.

[@valentinogal781]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 That was the most simplistical way, I have ever heard it explained before.

[@PrincessOzaline]

What was that sprite that looked like Miaka from Fushigi Yuugi

[@CarlosIsDown]

What was that about Newscasters being lost?

[@MichaelLoydMoZ]

This is perfect! Thank you! ^_^

[@Bruno-hd9qo]

2:58 Media, messages. events, photos, STALKERS lol

[@andrewtickel6804]

If we can't trust the News can we still trust the Olds?

[@LoZander]

audible has over 180.000 books

[@Sardonicus]

Where are these polls conducted that are shown at the end of the videos?

[@johnyossarian5226]

Yo this is all in amusing ourselves to death by Neil Postman and Culture Jam by Kalle Lasn

[@PMetheney84]

I went to audible. You have to make a subscription and pay 15 $ each month to get the free book, if I understood it right. Ironically, this makes a pretty good point for the question raised in this video.

[@metawyrm]

No smoke without fire.

[@ambarigreyson3000]

Do one on the society of the spectacle

[@mmichaelson]

People believe that wrestling isn't staged? The business is pretty transparent about that now.

[@Volstreed]

Whoa, proliferation of images. Depending where you get your news you'll see global warming as a problem or a myth. Good video.

[@ubermom]

78 Unexptected Ways to Cook Fire Ants!

[@kobathedread]

I trust you 8-Bit Philosophy.

[@tommason8386]

Great vid thanks

[@nineshinoda]

the funny irony of this particular video :3

[@Aaron.Reichert]

fun watch

[@chosenonetyler7906]

If they can fake Paul’s death, I can’t see why they can’t do it with the other members😢

[@qazmko22]

You guys talk about Trusting Media and don't talk about Noam Chomsky or Manufacturing Consent? Why not?

[@DannyDoomsday]

Lovely.

[@ryanjbou]

If it comes from Brian Williams.

[@gideonprakke2115]

This is me reacting to teens react to me reacting to teens react!

[@themaypole]

I knew he wasn't rle English, I'm English and can hear any flaw in an accent. It's mainly around his As and D for Ts, still great tho