Get Away With Anything? (Plato + Zelda) - 8-Bit Philosophy

[@theproplady]

I'd gather a group of friends together and toss the ring into Mt. Doom.

[@benaaronmusic]

That sounds like an epic journey. You have my sword...

[@ShapezPuller64]

Ben Aaron And my bow...

[@Dja05]

Can't we juste take the eagles :v ?

[@ShapezPuller64]

Gianni Carrea Nah, not enough axes.

[@lonecommenter6793]

Better steal a car with the ring though. One does not simply walk into Mordor.

[@saeedbaig4249]

Plato's reason to act moral is essentially because more people are happier knowing that what they are doing is right. The problem though is: a)A psychopath can be completely happy without being moral b) Different people may act in different ways according to what they think is just, and thus can both be happy (even if one of them is wrong).

[@Ukobarrywawa]

+Sideeq Mohammad Plato was speaking about an ideal average person in most of his writings. The Greek philosophers often wrote as if their ideologies were the only ones worth caring about and were undeniably correct. They very rarely considered the fact that the average person is not a philosopher.

[@djayjp]

You guys are both forgetting the role of reason with regards to morality.

[@saeedbaig4249]

djayjp What exactly is the role of reason with regards to morality that you're referring to?

[@jonathansclassroom8811]

@@djayjp plz answer the mans question

[@djayjp]

@@saeedbaig4249 eg game theory or duty of care (Kant), or maximizing options/choices. I'm also working on a theory relating physics to a naturalistic, universal, objective morality. Basically, it's not about happiness (but that can be a likely, somewhat coincidental, result). Also, even with respect to happiness, the issues you raised were largely addressed by Utilitarianism. You're right though: Plato's views were problematic and incomplete.

[@greggreg2027]

Shorter version "Activate God Mode cheat, beat game. Are you happy for beating the game this way?"

[@vitorbernardo9789]

I would save middle earth.

[@colbonthecob2530]

+KAMENRIDER DEATHFUL He could, just not simply.

[@vaulttechnition2576]

Why walk there when you have giant eagles to ride on?

[@SamuraiPipotchi]

I would TOTALLY abuse that ring. Not quite for injustice though. Robbing a bank would be dumb. Free holiday however? Maybe! Side note: Plato's theory is basically the cause of Lord of the Rings.

[@garret1930]

+Samurai Pipotchi I'm pretty sure the ring of Gyges isn't from plato, he just mentioned it in his book

[@marsyasthesatyr]

@@garret1930 yeah, lmao in book 2, its actually socrates and some other guy (who came up with ring of gyges) and the whole justice thing is socrates' response

[@Bob-B-.]

I would get a job. Jk I'm already invisible to prospective employers.

[@ZS05]

+Victor lol funny but true for me too. :( It's good to laugh about it sometimes, but I really do hate how jobs can be handed out to handsome a-holes over people who worked hard to get their fucking degrees. Got an Associates' and still no job.

[@utubrGaming]

What would I do? Hide in a dark cave, eating raw fish and jump into a volcano.

[@AntiGravityC9]

Headlines after getting that ring: "Robbers mysteriously robbed of their robbed goods, murderers mysteriously murdered, rapists myst.. "

[@AxelLeJeff]

Yeah, vigilantism seems the way to go. So long as it's methodically justified.

[@thatbozo]

Plato disagreed with retribution; why respond to malevolence with malevolence when you can reform the criminal and make him and you a better person?

[@moebius435]

thatbozo I don't know if that really is something Plato said, but it does seem very wise.

[@thatbozo]

He states it in book 1 of the republic when Polemarchus states being just is owing friends goodness and enemies badness. Socrates (Plato) argues that being bad to a bad person only makes them worse 'like beating a horse' and that it is paradoxical for a good person to create more badness in his surroundings

[@moebius435]

thatbozo I read it in my second year of college, but damned if I can remember it ;)

[@AkichiDaikashima]

So Plato effectively came up with the idea of the Id/Ego/Super Ego before Freud? That's pretty cool! :D

[@FerroNeoBoron]

And Lord of the Rings too apparently.

[@hviw8670]

Ferroneoboron san I don't think he ever claimed credit for the Ring of Gyges, only his comments on it.

[@geirtwo]

Ego/Id/Superego can also be found in the bible.

[@Coppermeshman]

​@@geirtwoin what form?

[@geirtwo]

@@Coppermeshman The bible talks about the flesh and the law.

[@SYN4REVr]

Should probably take it to Mordor, toss it into the fires of Mount Doom, you know just to be safe.

[@Redem10]

What If You Could Get Away With Anything? I know this is 8-bits philosophy, but I think Grand theft auto should have been used here

[@Khrene]

Well, GTA has some 16 bit releases, but Plato's Gurren Lagg- er, the Allegory of the Cave was done with Zelda so yeah.

[@ACanette]

I think thery stuck with Zelda because Plato was already used with Zelda.

[@mso1ps4]

it's 8-bit games solely.

[@DusBeforeDawn2008]

Wasnt there a gta on the gameboy colour? They could use that

[@TheRachaelLefler]

Omg this idea is the inspiration for Tolkien

[@TheMagicRat933]

While it will most likely never transpire in reality, the thought alone of truly being able to get away scot free with anything honestly scares me. Sometimes I've woken from lucid dreams and been pretty freaked out by the stuff I let myself get away with in the dream world under my control...

[@DementedEmperor]

I would be a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All would love me and despair!

[@Kenshin1913]

Some CEOs of corporations should be reading more Plato.

[@Indubidably0]

^NPC

[@beingsshepherd]

Hillary Clinton.

[@FalconPan]

Best one yet :D I love the rhetorical question at the end - gets us viewers thinking more than usual haha

[@Volstreed]

"The just person knows committing unjust acts messes with your soul" xD

[@animedorkify]

I disagree with Plato on this one. Plato seems to define only one kind of happiness - a true happiness. This may be because he only sees the world through only his perspective. Others might find happiness in different ways. Where one might dread something, another might enjoy it. Happiness is not universal.

[@alfredodiaz297]

Indeed. Plato is only interested in an universal happiness, true happiness according to his theory of the forms. To him any happiness that is subjective is not true hapiness but an imperfect copy of it.

[@Ndo01]

nick volta I assume he means the requirements for happiness are not objective.

[@mistermaita]

Happiness is universal. Your line of reasoning proved that the METHODS of obtaining happiness aren't universal, with which I totally and completely agree. It does not follow, however, that happiness IN ITSELF is not universal. I would even go so far as to say that the the goal of acquiring happiness is universal, too. For example, a masochist wants to suffer but only because he ENJOYS it. I simply can't bring myself to believe that a truly rational and sane person who doesn't want to be happy even exists. Happiness is everyone's goal. Sounds pretty universal to me. Edit: Some typos.

[@RnW154]

nick volta hmmmm....I believe what you guys are getting at is the difference between joy and pleasure. Joy: A harmonious mood that someone can have despite material condition (think a monk who is happy despite having nothing and is paralyzed or something) Pleasure: Usually a temporary mood fulfiller that's based upon material condition (think mtv rapper with a drug habit) Happiness is a frame of mind that can appreciate everything and not be subject to change due to material conditions (think rainy day or having your sweet heart break up with you) If you get a high off of killing/robbing people for example...what happens when there are no people to do those things to? your pleasure runs out and you cease to feel good. Why one might not be able to call it true happiness (joy) but subjective happiness (pleasure)

[@RandomlyAwesomeFilms]

nick volta eudaimonia is the end of our means

[@the-engneer]

This episode in particular gave me a good philosophical realization. Whenever I would start using cheats in a video game the game would become boring almost instantly, and I think life is the same way. If you can live forever, and have infinite wealth life would be fun for a little while, but would become incredibly boring, and less meaningful

[@Coppermeshman]

I don't know, just because the essentials of a game have been acquired it doesn't necessarily mean that the game has lost its meaning, it only means that the focus of the game has been fundamentally changed. A Meaningless game would be one with stagnation. If One had a finite life with finite ability and was in a struggle to achieve goals that half the time lead to nowhere, the One wouldn't be necessarily happy, nor would it be the most desirable position. In a cycle of life and death, an neverending struggle against death with continuing the game to the next generation at best or death at worst, it isn't stable. I can understand the possibility of stagnation with infinite life and wealth alone, however undeniable the possibility of improvement when such problems become apparent.

[@witchplease9695]

If I could do anything I'd do nothing lmao. I'm forced to do so many things all the time that doing nothing and just chilling is what I'd want to do.

[@pairot01]

Des lazy fuck

[@witchplease9695]

Joaquin Pirotto thanks

[@TheJaredtheJaredlong]

I'd walk the ring into Mordor and have it destroyed.

[@benrocks832000]

I love this channel

[@Divercitylife]

Wisecrack, I commented on a video about how the background music and sound were to distracting. This is way better, thank you!!

[@Billchu13]

Run into stuff... Being invisible means that my sight wouldn't work

[@FerroNeoBoron]

I guess you'd have to make some kind of contact lenses that capture a small amount of the light hitting them and amplify the signal to your eyes. You wouldn't be 100% invisible but you'd be pretty close.

[@StrongBlair]

Ferroneoboron san Contact lenses wouldn't help. The light is passing right through the back of your eye not making contact with the light sensitive nerves.

[@FerroNeoBoron]

StrongBlair I meant that the "contact lenses" were behind the manifold of invisibility and that they opened a hole in that manifold that let in a little light. Obviously they wouldn't be normal contact lenses but we are talking about invisibility here.

[@MrJ1S]

steal from the banks not from friends. hang out in female gym locker rooms. and have the greatest youtube prank channel of all time

[@MSOGameShow]

And end up like Sam Pepper. Then again, the whole bitchfest about him is so out of control it's not even funny.

[@aaronwidenor9743]

MSOGameShow I'm sorry, are you saying that we should just ignore when a guy like that trespasses on people's personal space?

[@MSOGameShow]

The whole Sam Pepper thing should be dead and buried. The offending video is gone and he's received immense backlash. Hell, people even used this as an opportunity to file rape charges against him (funny how things like this work out). And, yet, people are STILL talking about him. Sam Pepper is not the worst thing to ever happen. Instead of bitching about some guy on the internet long after the situation is over, you'd think these people would find a real issue to tackle now. By the way, if Sam Pepper were, say, Samantha Pepper, and pinching the asses of men, none of you would be bitching.

[@aaronwidenor9743]

If Sam were Samantha Pepper, her behavior wouldn't be part of the long history of men feeling they are entitled to women's bodies, and then laughing it off when the women get angry. That's why this can't "blow over," because it keeps happening and not enough people are condemning it.

[@ericmsandoval]

1:12 GILLIGAN AND THE SKIPPER!!! That game used to drive me crazy as a kid!

[@renav.3239]

If I think about it, I don't think I'd have much use for a ring of invisibility. it'd probably end up some kind of thing I have until I needed it for something specific, although what I can't imagine. Getting out of dangerous situations maybe?

[@freedomdividendnews5042]

I've had a lot of "friends" steal from me. Some people will always be thieves.

[@Jobsih]

If I had a ring that made me invisible I would do the best Frodo cosplay ever

[@RichardDuryea]

I wonder if Plato ever met a sociopath?

[@GallowglassAxe]

I wonder if this is where Tolkien got the inspiration for the one ring. A magic ring that turns you invisible and corrupts you. With the ring the wearer believes that they have amazing power and many view themselves as the rightful ruler.

[@CrackThoseClaws]

Yes, definitely.

[@Asal181]

I am defiantly showing this to one of my professors I love this, as a guy who is not just a fan but contiplates on my own philosophy just seeing what I love put in a game is dope haha

[@ekstrajohn]

I'm starting to binge watch all of Wisecrack and I'm starting to wonder if "Zelda" was introduced only to make an otherwise boring dry video on Plato (which I think would absolutely NOT be dry and boring) more palatable to the masses. Well, if not explicitly, mixing in video games or pop culture is still a good delivery device for the format. Well done Wisecrack, perhaps you gave this more thought than it appears.

[@burgogaming1]

That's only if the person's self interest is to be happy.

[@tawmas1593]

If I ever had that kind of ring that would make me invisible, I'd probably cast it into the fires of Mount Doom, where it was forged

[@Doomroar]

I would still be here watching these videos, they are addictive!

[@nightsage217]

Throw it into Lava? I dont need an old wizard tells me nonsense.

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

I would use it to be a superhero because who the hell wouldn't?

[@prometheus9096]

Me =) because i dont belief in self-administered justice. That is what a superhero dose :D no law, he decides oh bad guy i punch him ^^ ... in reality superheros are really only criminals them selfs.

[@only-mint]

+Prometheus That's a vigilante.

[@prometheus9096]

+swarm 3003 no superheros have no permission from anyone and they full fill judicature and executive authority in one person. Makes them pretty much criminal for me ;=)

[@only-mint]

+Prometheus Then explain to me why the authorities aren't mad at iron-man.

[@prometheus9096]

swarm 3003 because its fiction and not the real world^^

[@HenrikWestgaard]

Let's just say the girls' locker room would be haunted and there would be a lot of 'ectoplasm'.

[@armandomartinez2291]

This brings up the question of what is just and what is unjust

[@Lack_of_response]

invisibility ring + sheet with holes in it = best ghost costume ever. Then i would lease it out to researchers so they can figure out how it works and make more invisibility tech.

[@FerroNeoBoron]

On Halloween I'd stay visible and put on a bed sheet and pretend I'm a ghost and be intentionally bad at scaring people. Then I'd let the sheet slip off and simultaneously go invisible and see how many people I scare the crap out of. But on a serious note, I wouldn't really want to do anything that would be to the detriment of other people. I might do weird things knowing that I have physical privacy like dance badly in public places.

[@OttoPussner]

I like to think that this is commonly reflected in modern society even with our own acknowledgement of such. "First World Problems" are challenges and issues that are easy to solve and harmless to fail, but since there is an inherent lack of challenge for some people it creates this sense of inflating/creating problems in order to achieve happiness, as stated in this video, despite them already having material wealth and comfort.

[@christianweibrecht6555]

my interactions on the internet taught me that people will be toxic if they can be with impunity

[@DarkSky94400]

I think the ideas of Plato should be our motto

[@crackmonster99]

I'd be evil and corrupt I'm not gonna lie.

[@politure]

lol ironic

[@MarketResearchReading114]

Its hard to be evil if you steal from the corrupt.

[@nobrainQQ]

You are such a good person that you can't even lie here? I doubt you would do anything with the ring other than turn it to the authorities.

[@bloodstoneore4630]

crackmonster99 I'd probably take over the world and do some shit

[@williamblazkowicz5587]

I'd be pragmatic, I'd use it to benefit myself.

[@MonotoneGaming]

No matter how just someone believes they can be or wants to be, there is no soul on earth that wouldn't use such power for their own benefits, even if its something small. Like sneaking in to see a free movie or stealing a candy bar. Theres nothing that says it would make me completely undetectable, does it block out smell, sound? Would I get picked up on infrared? If I was totally invisible then I'd never take it off, if the power also is endless and doesn't wear out. Be a super hero and become a mysterious being that no one will ever know the identity of until I die.

[@thebatmanover9000]

It does not matter if we could get away with hurting others in some way. If we behave in ways that harm people it decreases the success rate of our society and also our chances of survival in the long run.

[@hrnekbezucha]

Being careless and genuinely evil is usually the easier way. Having invisibility ring and using it for my sake only without consequencess would make me feel bad. I'm not doing bad things because I wouldn't get away with it but because I don't want to concider myself a bad person. Being bad suck.

[@jaggerkelly3487]

Think of it in this way my friend.. We are all bad people, we've done things bad in our life times that can not change and who cares if we're a little bad we don't live long might as well make life better for our selves while we are still kicking ;)

[@hrnekbezucha]

Can't agree with that. If your decessions are predetermined by your past actions than you're nothing better than an animal that is not as capable of thinking. _It's okay to be bad because everyone else is._ That is just a pathetic excuse. It's okay to be lost and it's okay to be scared but it's not okay to be making it harder for everyone else in the same general situation.

[@philliparnesen4493]

I have never once heard this philosophy expressed but this is pretty much how I have always lived my life. No matter how much I may want to at times, taking selfish or unjust courses of action makes me feel like I am lessening myself. So I don't.

[@Rhomega]

If I had a ring of invisibility, I would cast it back into the fires of Mt. Doom.

[@satchelfrost6531]

Now I'm wondering if the movie Hollow Man with Kevin Bacon is a reference to Plato's republic book 2.

[@halfpintrr]

I would sneak into an art museum after hours for uninterrupted viewing. I wouldn't take the paintings because art belongs to everyone, but I just want more time alone with the painting. Aside from that, I would love to help people. Maybe by being an investigative journalist? I could get into places that no one else can.

[@xiiiz5703]

If I found a ring that could make me invisible, I'd throw it into the fires of Mount Doom.

[@tanukioh]

If I had that ring there would be so many shenanigans.

[@FirstRisingSouI]

What would I do with a ring that makes me invisible? I don't know, but it would probably involve looking at women.

[@uwishtobeme2]

I'd go to the grocery store and steal avocados. They are $2 each, that's the real crime here. Wall Street can wait.

[@falnica]

So that's where Tolkien got it from, as his friend C.S. Lewis wrote: It's all in Plato

[@ZonsoAvalune]

>soul There is no soul.Plato was a totalitarian mad man and a mystic.I compleatly agree with Socrates on this one,reason=virtue=happiness.

[@Zarrov]

this still applies. Just replace soul with "mind".

[@ZonsoAvalune]

Yep

[@Pnoot]

Probably just end up pretending I was a poltergeist for a laugh tbh ;p

[@sunwooooooo]

Mess up Gopher's load order.

[@YaoiHuntressEarth]

It was fun to guess where all the sprites came from.

[@17spyguy]

I would probably try to help others but also help myself every now or then.

[@kieran10202]

Plato is completely wrong. Happiness is in the heart of the beholder, therefore whether the person has benefited from their schemes is up to the person, is the person happy or not being king by dead-men's shoes? you can't universally declare that they aren't, some people might be, and can you really blame them for it? It's wishful thinking to believe the world is that convenient, and that a human being must be good to be happy. I'd say there is an objective reason not to use that ring, and it's because in the real, probabilistic, non-hypothetical, non-ideal world, one day it might fail you, in fact the more it is used, the higher the likelihood that it will stop working. I wonder if this story inspired lord of the rings? I have often thought that the One ring symbolised this power, to break rules and laws and feel no consequence, but as tolkein writes: "the ring is treacherous."

[@orion8981]

For as smart as Plato (probably) was, I don't think he quite got the concept. For quite a few people, their happiness is measured by their gain in life, not by the justice they adhere to. As such, Plato was quite wrong in this regard. The shepherd was more likely than not quite content with his new station in life.

[@sharstarg2414]

If I could get away with anything? *evil laughter* Oh, I wish! Of course there's a moral to the story, but if I were immortal then id discover it much much much later!

[@yasoum9286]

I would stay invisible so that no one talks to me

[@demiurge9212]

Best answer 👍

[@afrikasmith1049]

I would use the ring in case i end up in dangerous situations like Bilbo Baggings, or if i wear a spy, or masked hero.

[@fartzinwind]

Most people would probably get hit by a car or something. Spend too much time invisible and you would likely stop thinking as much as you should about how important it is to be seen in specific circumstances, such as crossing a busy street.

[@hmalba7864]

If I found an invisibility ring, I'd turn it upside down, get a suit of armor and a sword, a horse, and ride around making people think I was a spirit knight. Or I could lose the helmet and make them think I'm the Headless Horseman :D

[@jamesdalton5259]

These videos are great, simplified, retellings of the philosophical ideas that really get to the core of them in a still thought-provoking way. I'm a teacher and I would love to be able to show these to my middle school students to integrate them into my lessons plans. However, I could never due this because of some of the language. Is there anyway you would consider recreating them in a more toned down format (just in terms of word choice)? They're a great tool.

[@Ohana9999]

will you pay them for it or why do you expect them to do that for you?

[@Demolitiondude]

There must be more to the soul than just those three aspects.

[@CusterDawg]

This ring example of plato's serves as the main idea behind the Deathnote series. Sure "kira" has goods intentions, but he has done great wrongs too. The ends never justify the means imo.

[@ThanatosZero]

A ring of ivisibility? Fun times, you can do a lot of nice things with it. For example, you can play yourself as a helpful ghost and nobody will ever know that it was you, who made them smile. You will never take the credit, but that is not important. Their smiles in their hearts are.

[@Jaxonbass]

I would cast it back into the fiery chasm whence it came.

[@SSJKamui]

I would throw the ring into the fire and prevent Sauron from getting the Ring. LOL

[@canoai]

I love this channel + plato is the man

[@optiTHOMAS]

Brilliant! I wouldn't be able to do things to people to get ahead in life as it would continuously haunt me and cause me grief to those I had wronged. There is tranquility to being just and true to yourself. I think that does make a stronger spirit and increases your happiness subconsciously. 😅👍🏻

[@Coppermeshman]

What if One had no such consequence of neither, even if they had such conscience?

[@Lunalite]

With a ring like that, I would honestly help people

[@Kira1Lawliet]

What would I do if I have an invisibility ring? Set off on an adventure with my wizard friend, an Elvin archer, and other Hobbits to stop the warlord of Mordor and save the world. Isn't it obvious?

[@MrHolidayy]

Honestly, i'd take out the knot out of this love triangle without any hesitation.

[@johnyossarian5226]

This seems like an early take on the clash between the id, ego, and superego

[@AmeshaSpentaArmaiti]

i would harass SO many people while invisible. i'd be HR's worst nightmare.

[@Raziel312]

What if you could get away with anything? You'd get Joffrey from Game of Thrones! That's what happens when a kid grows up having never heard the word, "no."

[@ArdbodiedE]

This Plato guy ripped that concept off from Lord of the Rings!

[@brianstiles1701]

I'm afraid I would become a super criminal. Perhaps I could assuage my conscience with Robin Hood-like generosity.

[@yellowscorpion100]

I'd probably go crazy with it.

[@ThanatosZero]

In nothingless lies but pure spirit. When we think of nothingness we perceive it as a sort of vacuum devoid of everything. But that is a illusion, as nothing can ever be devided, as we are all connected. What devides us, are illusions we perceive as reality. The believe love must be earned is one of these nutured and cultivated by society made of people, who believe themselves unworthy of love.

[@nickbonarski5417]

If I found an invisibility ring inside of a mysterious chasm I would probably hold onto it very dearly and reluctantly give it to my favorite nephew on my hundred and eleventieth birthday so that he could embark on a 3 book adventure to Mordor to throw it into a volcano. For real though I feel like the Lord of the Rings illustrates a pretty valid possibility of what could happen if someone had a ring like that.

[@omenwatcher]

I tried thinking of some, if I cheated on school work and got away with it I would still feel the repercussions later by not having the knowledge and understanding that work would have given me.

[@Niko29144]

I always thought Tolkiens idea of "Lord of the rings" was new.

[@kennymos9007]

I love this fucking music.

[@MyRedHulk]

I would be so unambitious with that ring. Like, I'd take candy, or maybe 5 bucks, and use it for tiny things. Maybe. I might be spending too much time pulling pranks on people than to actually do anything evil with it.

[@GokayCEKLI]

I believe plato is wrong because morality is subjective one might justify their criminal actions as good by their standards and still think they are on the right. So killing the king for example gyges might think the king is a tyrant therefore he ended his tyranny with his power. I saw similar relative morality in the anime Death Note where kira think he is sacrificing his life for saving world from criminals but in the end he was just an egomaniac obsessed with power and control.

[@Shintenpu]

I would throw it down Mount Doom's pit of lava.

[@greenlaw6503]

'pff good people are happy, but that doesn´t mean that evil ones cannot be', 'Plato is selfcentered, because he liked philosophy, he thought that happines comes through a life similar to his', and so on. These arguments I see in the comments section assume that happinness come without justice, and that justice is only a social convention without practical and individual consequences... Just the ideas Plato rebutts in this dialogue. Maybe u disagree with this, but please, elaborate your perspective considering what Plato really tried to demostrate. If u don´t want to, that´s right and I´m sure ur insight will be valuable, but I´m also sure that u would like to have a deeper understanding of these, the most famous chapters of political philosophy. So, here is what I think and ´ve read. Plato used dialogues to sustain his ideas. But his dialogues are not narrative fiction. They tend to be starred by real people, like Socrates and Gorgias. In this case, it was not Plato main´s character, Socrates, who presented the 'Legend of Giges and his ring', It was Glauco, Socrates young friend and lover. In chapter 1, we had the book topic presented ( Justice) and the classic arguments rebutted. The characters were acquaintances, like Polemarco, or rightfull enemies, like Trasimacus. In fact, when the first chapter is ending, and Polemarc decides to continue the rituals for his recently gone friend, Socrates tells Glauco 'now you are the heir of the discussion'. This is, at the same time, a casual comment, and a note for the reader. It means 'now we abandon the common and socially known ideas. Now we go deep into the rabbit hole'. What is not said is 'only with true love and friendship can we do this journey', cause 'true friendship is admiration and honesty to each other'. No surprise, then, when we see Glauco take to its last consequences the picture of an ideal 'tyrannt'. A man who can exercise power and dominance without havingg to deal with the obstacles other tyrannts had to dealt with. Plato sustain, 1. that the tyrannt is slave to his or her passions and 2. that there can not be true justice if the whole community has not justice as its main value. Then, individuals cannot be happy, because justice is what liberates them from passions and fears. Contemporary examples: I do not believe that the most powerful dictator of the Arab Gulf is happier than the last artist that lives in California. Why? Because there, in California, probably, institutions are better than in Saudi Arabia. When u get out to the street in S. Frisco u´ve got art, tecnology, respect for nature and diversity. Justice. In any arab or african country, u have poverty, destruction or arbitrary governments or rulers, shaky dinasties and limited education. In those kind of places, only tyranny, passions and perversion are the source of pleasure. But, of course, never of happiness. I´m sure some wouldn´t agree with California as an example of virtue or justice, but would understand the point, anyway. That´s why, when Plato ends his argument, he realizes that pure justice does not exist, which also means that the ideal city does not exist. Camelot is out of reach. So, he ends the chapter with one of the most famous phrases of the history of philosophy: 'let us build a city with words'... And these ideas could only have come from true friends with authentic admiration for each other. That is the last assumption of the text. That, if we cannot have justice in the city, we will have justice in our small communities of philosophers and travelers. Because justice is the base of any human group of equal members. That´s why even in the brotherhood of thieves there are remanants of justice (chapter one) I do not believe Plato was 'right', nor hi was 'wrong'. I believe the argument, its power and implications are more interesting that those I see in the comment sections of this, for the most part, outstanding viideo and approach

[@gracileferrante4313]

I appreciate you

[@paulraeni3854]

Honestly, if I could turn invisible, I would probably stay that way so I didn't get asked to do things. More time to be writing. :P

[@LightoYagasamiSan]

I would have to run to mordor and destroy it.

[@CSLucasEpic]

How about this: After he became king by murdering the previous one thanks to his magic ring, Gyges realizes that he is a terrible person, he feels absolute remorse to the point when he has to use the ring just to keep himself from seeing his own reflection near a water pool. Gyges wants to make amends, he does not know how since the ring can make him invisible, but can't resurrect the king. In his remorse, Gyges then tries to be the best person he can possibly can, he tries to be a just king, but he believes he will not succeed in this because he really has no idea how to be a just king to his subjects, so he gives away all the riches he managed to get to the sick and poor instead and abdicates the throne. But he still feels remorseful for what he did, he hates what he did and can't satnd himself anymore, and ends up killing himself. Was Gyges remorese worthy of forgiveness? Is his intetions to atone for his previous actions enough to turn things around and make him a good person? Or is he condemned to always be a bad person?

[@MrHellothisisme]

So that's where Tolkin got his inspiration...