Can You Be Saved Without the Eucharist? (Aquinas 101)

[@marlenesmall5527]

Whether or not everyone needs it, I found during the pandemic that I needed it. The first time I went back to mass I had tears in my eyes when I received communion. And I wasn't the only one. I didn't know how much I needed it until I couldn't receive it.

[@anthonyw2931]

thank you for yet another illuminating video. Quite frankly, I'm learning on here than I have ever done in all my 50 years of life about the faith. God bless you, all.

[@Man.Well93]

nice profile picture, is he your son?

[@boku5192]

@Man.Well93 You are clearly unwell..

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

To respond a comment, I would say this: There are many, many ways to LOVE God: praying, praising, fasting, good works, venerating the SAINTS, venerating the HOLY CROSS, participating in the Sacraments, etc. . But notice that, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO WORSHIP GOD: the celebration of the BODY and BLOOD of CHRIST: the EUCHARIST.

[@evans3922]

Then why laity is deprived of the Holy Bloood in Roman Catholic Church?

[@gregorybrown4664]

​@@evans3922good question; the answer is that we are not deprived; the Eucharist is the entire Risen Christ (body, blood, soul, and divinity) whether received under the form or bread or wine. Hope that helps. God bless.

[@winstonbarquez9538]

John 6:53-58 say it all.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

John 6 is a very moving part of the Gospel... " 35Jesus answered, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to Me will never hunger, and whoever believes in Me will never thirst. 36But as I stated, you have seen Me and still you do not believe. 37Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. 39And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” " Once Christ Picks You, nothing and no one can take you away from Him.

[@topmosh2677]

@@SeaJay_Oceans Does that mean there are those He doesn't choose?

[@JC_Forum_of_Christ]

@@SeaJay_Oceansthis explains it “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭63

[@davidmammola8156]

@@SeaJay_Oceans We can rebel against Him. It's called free will. You are very mistaken. Nothing outside of us can tear us away from God, as it says in Romans, but that does not include our own free will. That's why even the elect still continue to sin at least venially during their earthly journey. Even the saints went to confession.

[@Catholicity-uw2yb]

ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all. But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the Gospel revelation or enter the Church. The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace, which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.”

[@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk]

This is a profound quote. Thank you. I’m a Jewish convert to the Catholic Faith. I’m the only Catholic in my family. By the grace of God, for some reason known only to Him, He chose me. I pray so much for their conversion. It’s very comforting to read something like this.

[@Catholicity-uw2yb]

@@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk God bless you and your family.

[@djparsons7363]

Nothing that comes from the Catholic church has any value, their teachings are demonic.

[@Alkemisti]

I have two questions: 1) Are Anglican, Lutheran, and Old Catholic (Utrecht) eucharists valid? I have understood that according to Catholicism, they are to some degree but not entirely. What does this mean? 2) If a priest knows that someone coming to the Holy Communion in his church is an Eastern or Oriental Orthodox, a member of the Assyrian Church of the East, or a member of the Union of Scranton, is he going to deny the eucharist from that person? What about a Lutheran or an Anglican?

[@sanguinesteven790]

Anglican Ordinations are invalid, this is dogmatic and was defined by Leo XIII if I'm not mistaken. This means their "Eucharist" is not valid. Lutheran "Eucharists" are also valid, although the specifics of why this is isn't 100% known to me. I think it has something to do with the fact that their ordinations are also invalid. Old Catholic Eucharists are valid as long as they have valid ministers, but the Union of Utrecht as started to ordain "female priests" and those "priests" "Eucharists" are also not valid. As for your second question, as far as I know, a priest has an obligation to deny any non-Catholic person Communion. If you are in a state of mortal sin, you cannot receive Communion worthily. If you are not a Catholic, you are in a state of mortal sin, and therefore cannot receive Communion worthily.

[@Heinrich.Denzinger]

1)The only time that Communion is "valid" or that bread and wine become the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ is if the person saying the prayers is a validly ordained priest. He also has to have the right bread and wine and say the correct words. This rules out nearly every protestant community aside from some extremely rare cases of I think a couple Anglicans who were validly ordained by bishops. So typically only the apostolic Churches (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and other Eastern and middle eastern churches) can confect the Eucharist. Catholicism does not teach that protestant Eucharists are valid. 2) If a priest knows that someone is of another faith tradition, he likely will deny them Eucharist. This is not out of being mean or exclusive, but for their sake. We see Holy Communion as more than just God giving us grace, but binding his Church closer together. Those who receive the Eucharist are to be of the faith of the Church providing the sacrament. In receiving the sacrament, we display our faith in the Church and our unity in belief with all other Catholics. We also read in 1 Cor 11:29 that those who receive unworthily will drink judgment upon themselves, so we generally do not allow non-Catholics to receive Holy Communion. Although we as Catholics generally do not allow protestants to receive, we aren't as strict with other apostolic churches. However, others like the Eastern Orthodox tend to tell their followers to not receive from us, so we make people aware so that the EO doesn't get mad at us. In summary, a priest will not fact check everyone that comes for Communion, but if a priest knows someone is not Catholic, they likely will not give them the Eucharist.

[@Heinrich.Denzinger]

@@sanguinesteven790 Please not only review your comment for typos, but also for misrepresenting the teachings of the Catholic Church.

[@sanguinesteven790]

@@Heinrich.Denzinger Did I misinterpret any teachings?

[@Heinrich.Denzinger]

@@sanguinesteven790 You misspelled and typed "Lutheran "Eucharists" are also valid" when I think you meant invalid. When it comes to the Church's teachings, you said, "If you are not a Catholic, you are in a state of mortal sin." Where is this taught?

[@therese_paula]

Amen! God bless you, Father!

[@Caleb-w6l]

"Then Peter began to speak to them: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him" (Acts 10:34). Millions who have been born and died without ever hearing of Jesus, let alone the Eucharist, can be saved by God's mercy. The real question is why anyone who, having met Jesus and celebrated the sacrament would ever want to do without it...

[@johnwagner6662]

Well said. An energizer for today.

[@rgtinkess]

I must commit to memory that prayer!

[@Theziz8]

I have a question. Could the Eucharist be taken with a repentant heart, one who has acknowledged his sins in front of God, but has not confessed them in front of the church? Is the Eucharist not a sacrifice for the forgiveness of our sins, past and present?

[@donaldkeith139]

I have to ask what you mean by repentant? Does it mean you have completely moved on from the sin and no longer do it?

[@noblesseoblige7112]

Yes for venial sins but not for mortal ones.

[@sanguinesteven790]

One must go to Confession before receiving the Eucharist if they know they have mortal sins staining their soul. If you only have venial sins, you can take the Eucharist, and I believe the Eucharist will wash away those sins (or something like that, don't quote me on that)

[@Heinrich.Denzinger]

Hypothetically, yes (see Canon Law, paragraph 916). However, the Eucharist is not a replacement for Confession. The Eucharist is a re-presentation (not a representation) of Christ's sacrifice on the cross, however, receiving it unworthily condemns you, rather than saving you (1 Cor 11:29). There's no such thing as forgiving present sins. You can only repent of past sins, and present sins you need to stop, and if you persevere because you think you will be forgiven, this is the sin of presumption.

[@byzantinedeacon]

The Eucharist is the reason why we will be resurrected

[@djparsons7363]

Baloney, it has nothing to do with resurrection, it's a useless ritual, totally pointless.

[@terryadkins9831]

Do this in memory of me

[@djparsons7363]

There is more to it that you aren't aware of, that command doesn't apply to just anyone.

[@marknovetske4738]

Thanks 🙏

[@themeat5053]

I do.

[@bentonpix]

It's very interesting that both man's damnation and his salvation is centered around eating.

[@DonBailey-od1de]

To even ask such a question is absurd. Its like asking if. You need air to breathe.

[@rickswineberg]

The word "anti" in antichrist does not mean someone who is going to be openly anti (against) Christ. That word "anti" in the original Bible language can actually mean "IN PLACE OF". So could the bible antichrist be someone who has actually put himself "in place of" Christ? Well, we have further Bible evidence to support this. In 1 John 2:18-19 it says that there were "many antichrists", who "WENT OUT FROM THE CHURCH". In other words, John is pointing to the fact that those "antichrists" were WITHIN THE CHURCH!! Not only that, but Paul in 2 Thess. 2:3-4 calls the man of sin the "son of perdition". Now there is only one other place in the Bible where the name "son of perdition" is used, and that is in John 17:12 talking about JUDAS! And what was Judas? A professing follower of Christ Jesus. Someone who deceived from WITHIN the "church". "The leader of the Catholic church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers). The Pope is considered the man on earth who TAKES THE PLACE of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity." (John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3, 1994). "ANTI" - Christ = "IN PLACE OF" Christ!

[@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk]

This is why Jesus established one Church with the authority to teach. This is why He guaranteed His Church not to teach error. His one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church has taught the Truth handed down from the Apostles for 2000 years. Thousands of churches founded by people other than Jesus in the last 500 years are teaching errors, interpreting Scripture incorrectly, and contradicting each other. Thank God for the Catholic Church.

[@paulcapaccio9905]

Nothing but trolls here

[@jacktracy8356]

Ephesians 2:8 KJV "For by grace you are saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast."

[@antoniomoyal]

Faith without works is empty. Look it up. Livevthe Church from Christ.

[@jacktracy8356]

​@@antoniomoyal Faith that saves does produce works which is fruit. Also look this up where Christ Himself says the following: Luke 5:20 JKV "And when HE (CHRIST) saw their faith, HE said unto him, Man, your sins are forgiven you." Luke 7:50 KJV "And HE (CHRIST) said to the woman, your faith has saved you; go in peace." Luke 8:48 KJV "And HE (CHRIST) said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: your faith has made you whole; go in peace." Luke 17:19 KJV "And HE (CHRIST) said unto him, Arise, go your way: your faith has made you whole." Luke 18:42 KJV "And JESUS said unto him, Receive your sight: your faith has saved you." Also, take note of verses such as Ephesians 2:8 KJV "For by grace you are saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast."

[@videonmode8649]

@@jacktracy8356 Absolutely faith is necessary. But you must cooperate with that grace as well. Show me your faith without works, and I by my works will show you my faith.

[@Theziz8]

I understand what you're trying to convey and you would be correct. However, the Eucharist is the definition of a gift from God, because it is CHRIST's literal blood and body!

[@jacktracy8356]

@@videonmode8649 Cooperate with grace is double talk which is really saying you must work alongside grace for it to take effect but the Bible already has answered grace vs works in bringing salvation: The most damage the devil does is to convince people that you must earn or deserve salvation by religious and/or good works which is contrary to GOD's Word. Grace and works cannot go together. They cancel out one another (Romans 11:6 KJV). Romans 11:5 KJV Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election (chosen) of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. If you desire to present works to GOD for salvation then you must present to HIM sinless perfection from day 1 of your life right up to the finish BUT if you have ever sinned then the penalty for sin is death. You will either have to die (cast in hell) or believe in the real death of the real CHRIST on a real cross shedding HIS real blood and giving HIS real body in your place once for all. Real faith produces real works which are the effect of salvation not the cause.

[@russellmiles2861]

According to the Roman Catholic church; Jews can be saved. That is, no need to except Jesus as Lord and Saviour Next question

[@RafaelGarcia-ue6uc]

The Church teaches that only *converted* Jews can be saved. Same goes for any other non Catholic. Only a converted X can be saved - Following the dogma of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

[@russellmiles2861]

@@RafaelGarcia-ue6uc That is false ... but Apologist are so want to lie

[@39knights]

@@russellmiles2861 You both have some error. The Catholic Faith teaches that those people of Good Will who by invincible ignorance have not received the gospel yet respond positively to the commands placed in their heart may be saved. It is a far different thing for people like yourself, who having knowledge and truth at your disposal, still refuse to obey God or discover the Truth of the Catholic Faith and remain in wilfull ignorance out of pride. As for the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus; it was primarily directed towards Catholics and those who had left the Faith as a warning for their return as they were once given the Truth and since rejected it. For those whom much is given, much is expected. WHen you compare the fate of someone in the middle of the Jungle who never heard the gospel with an ex-catholic then you are mixing up how each of the above apply. Those who had the FAith and left it are judged differently than those who have knowledge of the faith but refuse to enter it (like yourself), compared to those who have knowledge of neither through no fault of their own.

[@Catholicity-uw2yb]

@@RafaelGarcia-ue6uc ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all. But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the Gospel revelation or enter the Church. The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace, which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.”

[@Mark-bd5ci]

There is something called supersessionism, look it up.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

All are Saved purely by God's Grace, so none can boast. Period. Make a decision, be born again, get baptised, eat stuff at church every day. Read the Bible until you can quote it, & die in battle defending the Church. None of that can save you. It is solely by God's Grace Alone He Saves anything or anyone from this doomed world. We are all dead in sin, Christ & Christ alone grants God's Grace as a life giving Gift. Nothing else matters.

[@Richie_roo]

We believe the sacraments come from God's grace through which we are saved. . .so what's your point?

[@jeremymaxwell8898]

John 3:5 John 6 and Mark 16:16 make it clear that the sacraments of baptism, communion, and confirmation are necessary.

[@ElizabethDMadison]

We're saved through Jesus and His Body the Church. It is Jesus Who lives forever in Heaven, absolutely no other human can without union with Jesus. That is why no one can be saved except through Jesus and His Church. We are born into the dying and rising of Jesus through Baptism and the Eucharist IS His Body. It is Jesus. It's not some other "thing" mediating between you and Jesus. Be united with His Body or not, it's a consequential choice.

[@Onlyafool172]

Thats why we cooperate with grace lets let Jesus speak of those who have grace and yet do not cooperate with it Mathew 25 :14-30 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a] and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ What is this parable if not talking about God s grace and how those who keep it amd do nothing with it are sent to hell?

[@shortstopmotions]

But grace alone doesn't necessarily forgive my sins .I can ask God for the graces to not surrender to sinful temptations and graces to desire to fulfill the sacrament of confession and the eucharist. Also, Christ himself established the 7 sacrament of the Catholic church,so if Jesus established those laws ,we must follow them.

[@fly.into.theblue]

Only believing and trusting in Jesus Christ's sacrifice can we be saved. Ritual perform by men will not save you.

[@RafaelGarcia-ue6uc]

Just how is the grace of Christ's sacrifice given exactly? Principally through the sacraments of the Church that Christ Himself established.

[@videonmode8649]

So what did Jesus mean when he said: "no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit" John 3:5

[@Mark-bd5ci]

This "ritual" of the Holy Eucharist is body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord. How dare you reduce it to a mere ritual, a mere action, such ignorance of Scripture AND tradition, such impiety.

[@fly.into.theblue]

@@Mark-bd5ci The Words of God is pretty clear, Hebrews10:10 By that will, we are having been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 Day after day every priest stands to minister and to offer again and again the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. The keyword is 'once for all time'. Jesus said "It is finished" on the cross that means Christians or any priest do not have to offer the sacrifice everyday unlike what the Catholic priests told you.

[@Mark-bd5ci]

@@fly.into.theblue we don't offer the same sacrifice everyday it has been made once and for all. The Lord makes himself for us at Holy Mass through his Minister for our sanctification and in return we offer ourselves whole heartedly to the Lord.. You don't know what Catholic teaching is regarding the Mass, it's origin in the OT, it's fulfilment in Christ's sacrifice, first read what the Catholic Mass is about and then come back. I find it rather strange you clicked this video to post your comment as if you know it all. It's clear you don't and you have no business talking about things you know nothing about, rather take a humble approach and learn first. If you take this approach only then can God grant you wisdom otherwise you are wasting your time and stroking your ego. I would recommend you Fr Meagher's book on the Mass, it's rich symbolism, it's origin in the Passover and it's fulfilment in the Paschal Lamb of Christ offering himself to the Father. Good day

[@djparsons7363]

There is NO importance for the eucharist, it's a pointless ritual that means nothing.

[@frekigeri4317]

No, Protestant communion is a pointless ritual that means nothing as it’s only symbolic.

[@minui8758]

Of course… that’s why it’s the ritual meal the people of God have met around literally every single day since Pentecost (acts 2.42) and the very last command God in the flesh left with us in 3 of the Gospels and in Paul’s writings and said we’d be dead without in John 6

[@JC_Forum_of_Christ]

@@minui8758 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭63‬ ‭

[@frekigeri4317]

@@JC_Forum_of_Christ the spirit is in the flesh though, 🤣 you cannot get the one without the other.

[@JC_Forum_of_Christ]

@@frekigeri4317 😂 that’s not what Jesus just said.. you can’t deny that..did Jesus baptize??