Can You Beat Bowser at the Beginning of Super Mario RPG Remake?

[@bob1986]

Yeah just like in the original SNES version. If you deplete his HP he just taunts you and stops taking damage while the Princess tells you to attack the chain.

[@PlatinumLucario]

Here's how the Bowser fight is programmed in both the original and the remake: When he takes damage, his HP will decrease for just a microsecond, before the game reads the flag function for "acceptable damage", which is a piece of code that ensures that the enemy will only take damage when the specific conditions are met, and because this always returns false (since it's tied to a boolean function), his HP is reset back to 288 instantly. And even if you forced the HP value to 0 in memory, the game will still prevent the fight from ending, due to this function that checks for "acceptable damage". Some enemies have this boolean function applied, while others don't. Those that don't will just hit the "if (hpZero == true)" statement as usual. After all, Dry Bones is another enemy that has this "acceptable damage" function applied to it too, along with many others that expect a cutscene afterwards.

[@evolutioner8573]

Wow are you a programmer?

[@PlatinumLucario]

@@evolutioner8573 I am a programmer, yes, but I am terrible at writing code lol Though I reverse engineer games, more specifically, DS and 3DS

[@Jords250]

@@PlatinumLucario where you learn to read code fam

[@PlatinumLucario]

@@Jords250 Through the years from taking courses irl that teach programming, learning how to use keywords, functions, creating functions, etc. And from experience from almost 15 years of reverse engineering video games

[@ahipmom3104]

Unwinnable fights = unplayable games.

[@supervolcanobladerharris131]

"What a joke! Put some muscle into it!"

[@Jonah871]

Proceeds to do 0 damage

[@snippygamerz1858]

I feel like even if you hacked it so you had geno and used geno whirl and it guaranteed 9999 damage bowser would either not fall or he would and it just soft lock the game kinda surprising that they didnt program it that if you succeeded in dealing enough damage the chain would break anyway but from bowser stumbling into it

[@arzfan29]

Geno whirl only works on enemies and exor head because they don't have resistences set, also the point is teaching you to change targets and look for unique ones, neccesary in later fights, the game can't let you just attack bowser until you win

[@snippygamerz1858]

@@arzfan29 thats true but since he hacked it so he had max stats for mario it stands to reason that you can remove the resistance on bowser and other enemies for that matter

[@lillii9119]

Here's my theory: all enemies have a self.defeat() function that occur whenever HP < 0 This usually launches the regular battle complete script unless a boss has another special script For Bowser, this script would simply not exist, hence letting him take damage into the negatives infinitely

[@mk8-mkwil117]

Well I believe they did this to prevent the game from crashing if you try to defeat bowser and it’s auto fight so breaking the game sequence by hack using cheat just crashes the game so they programmed an anti cheat. Just like what happened in paper Mario or Mario & Luigi game it just crashes. So the developers put an anti cheat to prevent the game from soft locking or crashing.

[@gogereaver349]

yes stuff like game genie where a thing. they of course coded it even if you hit him with a insane amount of damage it would still trigger the normal action of telling you to break the chain.

[@QuidamByMoonlight]

Oh, what a bummer! I feel like that should result in an alternate way of finishing the battle on replay! That would be cool if Bowser fell off or something but oh well!

[@MasterKnightDH]

Enemies have a flag that is used to prevent death outside counter scripts, which is how Ninjas have their death reactions. I'm pretty sure Bowser has this flag flenabled for him too.

[@mariomontenegro1648]

3:45 just like you with the thumbnail

[@TheOmegaDragon]

It's the classic "enemy that got nerfed when they join your squad" mechanic. I hate it when devs do this.

[@MrVariant]

Lol this game is even easier than the original but yes it's as tedious as the useless useful spell tvtropes talks about like poison if it doesn't power creep like he pitiful ff2 4 damage on ultima weapon with 25k. Saga scarlet grace ambitions it is needed, as well as those pokemon stadium toxic fire spin rental rapidash locks 😂.

[@goldenyoshistar1]

Bowser's Health Bar in this game: (Infinity)

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

And of course when you get bowser you get 80 HP

[@SuperNickid]

@Nintendo Unity: The early game was smarth to have anti-cheat on the first fight, since it is just a scene it will refused to progress diffrently unless you do what the scene ask. Also since Bowser is important to the story and you get to team up with Bowser later on. But if they put an alternat story in the remake where the normal story continue when Bowser is defeated physically that maybe Bowser would not be able to become your partner later on.

[@arzfan29]

Bowser's brother from lost levels joins you and he's way more friendly

[@ashmander3465]

Morton Koopa Sr joined the party

[@TheFawfulExpressMustardO-cx6mw]

Bowser would probably end up being captured by Smithy's forces due to being too weak after his fight with Mario.

[@LuigiStrikeForceChaz]

The one time Bowser was actually unkillable! 😂

[@AsAventurasdeGui]

That happened in Paper Mario too, I believe

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

​@@AsAventurasdeGuiYes. Of course, the reason there is different - it's a battle you were meant to lose, rather than having an alternate win condition.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario 64 are one of the few times Bowser has a plot armor.

[@RAPTOR948]

The monster list didn't lie, it's just the mechanics of the game with a failsafe to ensure the story sequence plays out. Nintendo knows that speedrunners will be trying to rush the game and try to break sequence, but Nintendo has set sequence locks to make sure speedrunners softlock themselves. It's not the monster list lying, it's more the mechanics checking to see how much damage you did, and then trying to put you on the required sequence to continue the game. The boss fight can't end unless you do as you're told. It's meant to be a tutorial.

[@WalterKowalski]

I know some games there is a boss you aren't suppossed to beat, but it is technically possible without cheating if you do extreme excessive leveling beforehand, but it doesn't change anything, and the following cutscene is the same as if you lost normally. I heard about one game where they anticipated the possibility, and had the boss express surprise, but then a cutscene where they attack stronger and defeat you regardless. To actually change the story by defeating an unbeatable fight would require extra work from the developers, so unless they planned for it, most games it will have no reward or a glitch.

[@AndiousWandarier]

Are you talking about Suikoden 2? Because that has an early boss fight (Rowd) where, if you actually win, you get an extra line of dialogue before he calls for more guards to arrest you in a cutscene anyway. More impressively though is the war battle you're supposed to fail at preventing one of your generals being captured, because later he escapes with some valuable information that the enemy's tactician wanted you to have, but if instead you somehow succeed (which is EXTREMELY hard AND relies on random chance going your way), not only do you get to use that general in battles he isn't supposed to be a part of, but later you get an amusing scene of the enemy's tactician simply showing up at your base and personally handing you the information, which comes across as feeling less like you wrecked the story and more like you put your opponent in a really embarrassing situation.

[@lpfan4491]

Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga in a nutshell: Well, at least the western versions of the game, the japanese version patched it so the bosses affected have an HP limit and you cannot touch their "safetybuffer" that is meant to keep them alive for the scripted end to happen.

[@Retromatize]

Devil may cry 5 has this. If you kill Vergil at the very start of the game, when you're Nero and you're with Dante, you get an ending but the game expresses it in a tone of "seriously... This is how you end the game? You didn't even start it yet."

[@lpfan4491]

@@Retromatize It is slightly hilarious how that plays out in Heaven and Hell difficulty.

[@psyme-]

Lufia 2 had this. If you beat Gades when he first shows up, he'll be mildly surprised, but then just swats you down in the cutscene. You do get a good weapon for beating him in that fight, though.

[@Mechagodzillareturns56]

When Bowser has too much Plot Armor

[@chrisofstars]

Well, she did say, "Attack the chain." 😌

[@dalaxdercrisper957]

Long short answer : it's impossible to defeat Bowser even with hack or cheat.

[@superdino8524]

That’s some new level of OP right there

[@TheY2AProblem]

Don’t tell me you fought 9999 of those Shelled Warriors to get to level 30.

[@SomaCruztheDemigodofBalance]

Hacked.

[@NeopiaCentral]

Would be fun devs had fun sometimes and put specific dialogues and cinematics when you cheat something you cant do

[@bradleynoble8101]

1:46 In that case there goes your switch. Do you know what hacking into a switch does to it if you're not careful or experienced enough?

[@brianwilkinson8578]

Bowser goes oh so you cheat, so can I

[@destroyermcw626]

Hmmm so I’ve heard some people don’t like turn base like Final fantasy yet this was a thing by Squaresoft as well.

[@Corrieography]

answering the REAL questions.

[@LuceSeyfarth]

Well it's as they always say: You have to burn the rope :D ...oh sorry, wrong game

[@fawfulthegreat64]

I wonder what would happen if you hacked in Mallow and used Thought Peek

[@josecl3487]

That’s exactly like in the original

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of Can You Beat Bowser at the Beginning of Super Mario RPG Remake? Momentum 100

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

One trick i have no learned thanks to no equipment runs. _jump upgrades the more you use it_

[@PKMNwww411_MkII]

Set FP to at least 14 to use Ultra Fireball

[@kaimaeneh3278]

1:40 what’s the website of the cheat 1:45

[@selphiusaeterna]

imagine if they added an ng+ where you could have beat him here.

[@jacobdiekhuis102]

You said you used a cheat. What's the cheat

[@diegog4142]

Can anyone tell me what the cheat code he used to get Mario to level 30 at the time 1:46 ?

[@Maelael]

I did this on the orignial SMRPG, and Boswer stopped attacking.

[@Delivery-Witch-Express]

What's the intro song from?

[@e-mananimates2274]

You mean the goofy music that sounds like some silly monster marching?

[@Delivery-Witch-Express]

@@e-mananimates2274 Yeah when the video immediately begins and ends

[@e-mananimates2274]

@@Delivery-Witch-Express That is Dodo's theme from the Super Mario RPG remake. It plays when he pecks the statues.

[@Delivery-Witch-Express]

Thank you @@e-mananimates2274

[@e-mananimates2274]

@@Delivery-Witch-Express No problem!

[@ashmander3465]

Nice find

[@GamerFunOriginallyAarush]

That’s interesting!

[@jarredkrum9894]

I knew this from snes mario rpg lol

[@zediahtimmons3482]

In the original you can soft lock on bosses if you over kill them

[@MarioThePlumber64]

Piranha Plant History. Since 1985

[@dylanzlol7293]

Why cant the game let you beat bowser fair and square?

[@unknownafton]

Most possible HP Bowser can lose while using cheats: 59994

[@stevenpavelish6017]

When the game is smarter than the player

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

*When the game cheats the player

[@martijnp]

If the game was smarter they would have had an actual sequence for this, like a lot of the FromSoft games. They picked the first available and laziest option after "don't softlock"

[@nicholasrolfe316]

got me.

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

Just like the SNES version

[@MystaryTV]

So If He Has Infinite Health How Does Master Smithy Take Over His Castle Then!? 🥴

[@wagnerramosmidichannelabso514]

Nailed the 666th like in this video.

[@ExGanonMain]

Just like last time…

[@clamojoat1938]

you cant because its a rigged fight 😁

[@Kimahri01]

I do it in Super Nintendo, don’t try it here, I wanna see the game quick 🤣🤣🤣

[@chris_neira]

Short answer: No

[@Tailsfan5338]

Yep of all the other bad bowser boss fights in mario history the one in super Mario rpg legend of the seven stars in my opinion is the worst bowser boss fight of them all. And the reason why is you have to damage the chain constantly until it keeps biting on the bone. That’s literally it. You don’t even need to damage bowser. It’s pathetic and gets nothing to feel at all. Who is in charge to design these bowser boss fights?

[@urrutiap]

No you cant beat Bowser in the beginning. what makes you think you can anyway? Youre supposed to deal with the chandelier anyway. Thats how its supposed to be since the original game. Duh

[@arzfan29]

We fucking know that asshole, the point is just seeing what the game does and doesn't allow in the code, we might get a unique break in the games script like beating bowser at the start of paper mario, these things need to be tested

[@dalaxdercrisper957]

No shit. This video shows what if.

[@BlueAizu_]

You aren't _supposed_ to beat him like that, but the point of the video is to see how the game handled this scripted battle. It's interesting to see if the devs put any failsafe measures to account for the possibility of winning in unintended ways. There's a similar fight with Bowser in Paper Mario where you're meant to lose to progress the story, but if you use cheats to win the game doesn't know what to do and crashes.

[@nightmaregengargaming6517]

First

[@hectorjuanquinones4937]

This is why I dont see remake game play!! Look look I discover america dude we already knew you cant best bowser wasted of time vidwo!