Can you beat Factorio with a Sushi Megabase?

[@DocJade]

A couple things: Q: Why didnt you go straight for launching rockets? / Why did launching a rocket take X hours? When I started the run, my immediate goal was to hit that 200 spm, i didn't want to build a base to launch the rocket just tear it down again to setup the megabase. If the goal was to just beat the game, this run definitely would have been a lot shorter. (maybe it should have been?) Q: Why didn't you put the sushi circuit on its own power grid? I'm stupid. (also oops) Q: What's with the french subtitles? I was automatically generating the english subtitles for the video in my editing software, and it lost it's damn mind and randomly translated the entire thing into french, which i thought was pretty funny, so I uploaded them, as is. Also, if you have constructive critisim about the video (or questions in general!), please let me know! i really do want to hear it

[@AustralianCapitalist]

I would love a round 2 with these ideas. Plus having the production cells not in mass groups. The spreading out of iron furnaces was great for example. And not putting fluids in barrels, would be a massive headache saver

[@DocJade]

​@@AustralianCapitalist yeah i only barreld the fluids because i knew it would be a PITA, and as for spreading out the production, yeah i thought about it during the run, but at that point i would have had to basically start over to rebuild it Definitly would have made the base a lot better oh also long inserters to reach more than one belt, why didn't i do that???

[@commanderfoxtrot]

The question I have is: Why not use Ghost Placer Express?

[@DocJade]

I consider that mod to be basically cheating lol

[@commanderfoxtrot]

@@DocJade How? It lets you place blueprinted items just by hovering over the ghost, and only if you have the item in your inventory. It expedites a regular process slightly. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@Hoopaugi]

"Man sushi makes malls easy" is like saying "Man terminal lung cancer makes retirement planning easy"

[@memeymeme3645]

Bruh

[@moose8896]

@@memeymeme3645 OMG you will never guess whos washing Brad's car!

[@ReefTheManokit]

@moose8896 who's brad?

[@MuwaUWU]

I mean terminal lung cancer does make planning easy

[@cryochick9044]

I mean Not really, sushi is my go to for malls in modded. They add complicated recipies I sushi it

[@nimblesheepvenomous3811]

Do you think the Factorio devs refuse to watch these videos because they too live in fear of what they have created

[@Escafrost]

Devs use these as inspiration for the expansion

[@sugoistalin7809]

The Devs 100% do not fear what they've created, they reval in the chaos like the ruinous powers themselves.

[@AtrakKarta]

Doc: "I'll just make a side-sushi belt for extra iron." Me: *Looks down at plate* "This is just rice." Doc: "It's plain sushi."

[@Schmidtstone]

the fact that you researched robots before the pickaxe upgrade gives me chills

[@jakedanielsen4512]

Have you ever mined manually by the time you could even get that upgrade?

[@calvindang7291]

@@jakedanielsen4512 Steel axe is for removing buildings and trees faster, not ores. Once you get bots it becomes a lot less helpful.

[@SomeoneProbably-cf9es]

every time i start a run i leave that as the final research because it is almost entirely useless.

[@shingshongshamalama]

Me foolishly opening this video: "There's no way he can possibly make something more horrifying than Dosh's enormous sushi machine." Me five minutes later watching you build a MODULAR GRID-BASED SUSHI BASE: "I am a fool."

[@JohnDBlue]

I practically NEED to see what Dosh thinks about this monster 😂😂

[@drokles2125]

I think even Dosh would find it insane even if he just did a rail grid based Seablock base that mixes one way and two way rails as he saw fit

[@raizors1331]

​@@JohnDBlue You can find Dosh's comment somewhere. And yes, it's the best complement for this warcrime of an idea

[@JohnDBlue]

@@raizors1331 wait he commented??? Shit now I have to see it

[@astiasinus]

Uuups 😂😂😂😂

[@Electric_Bagpipes]

Dude literally made a multicellular organism. Complete with the random ass fluid transfer between cells, its perfect.

[@katuli3677]

Dude also literally made many cancers in this organism

[@avg.player]

Random "ass fluid" transfers? 🥶🥶🥶

[@Ryan_Richter]

You may have aged over 200 hours during the playthrough, but your cpu has aged much more.

[@spaceguy5234]

Once you get past the initial disgust theres a sort of beauty to the sushi

[@noxabellus]

oh no we lost spaceguy to sushi induced madness

[@he3004]

honestly with a lot of calculation I feel like it could work the problem is crafting really slows down because items aren't found as easily solution is more items, but how much? percentages, we need to assign a certain percent of the belt to certain items, this meams to limit the amount of items to x*total belt count for example let's say we need 10 percent of the belts to be iron and we have 69000 belts, we should allow 6900 iron on the belts so every belt carries on average 1.5 iron at any given time despite having this solution, I have no idea how to implement it without having the human reset the item count for every single item every time a belt is placed

[@cewla3348]

@@he3004 factorio players will do maths on ANYTHING

[@thobbit]

@@he3004 Couldn’t you use a circuit on a specific provider chest and only have bots place belts, and only have belts available via that chest? The downside is that I think you could end up over saturating the belts depending on how that circuit is set up (via the inserter- I’ve never tried to use a circuit to count items taken out of a chest by bots so idk if that’s possible)

[@thobbit]

You could also set up a circuit on all yellow chests to detect if any belts get added to them, and subtract from the running belt count

[@A7fie98]

“Fun” idea for a drinking game, take a shot every time he says “oops”

[@stijnvanlankveld9893]

Are you *trying* to kill me?

[@nikidino8]

@@stijnvanlankveld9893 alright, just drink on every time he says now :)

[@DocJade]

If you pay close attention, its the exact same voice clip every time

[@Schulz8374]

Chicken 🐥

[@digistruct0r245]

liver failure

[@koytru]

"I took a twenty hour nap and woke up the same day" is some environmental storytelling that surpasses most movies nowadays

[@c_smathers]

three minutes in and you already have me audibly saying "oh my God that's horrible." Excellent.

[@NickiRusin]

got the exact same sentence out of me, glad the audience's reaction is consistent

[@Schulz8374]

Chicken 🐥

[@Jortpower2009-ev8io]

havent started watching becuase of ads but that cant be good edit: you are so right

[@RoseArtemis24]

My response was very similar too

[@vildis.]

"By the magic of making two of them" killed me 🤣🤣🤣

[@Schulz8374]

Chicken 🐥

[@Monoryable]

Good reference

[@koogco]

Probably a fellow Technology Connections enjoyer.

[@Vienuolee]

Oh, I see you use too much detergent in your dishwasher aswell!

[@Linventor]

was not expecting that reference here of all places

[@bigsad8881]

As someone who is currently in their first playthrough, the fact that this build is still more efficient than mine makes me sick. Also the phrase "we need to expand" gives me "just add another lane to the highway bro" vibes.

[@naterthan5569]

This reminds me of how a cell makes proteins, just random diffusion of different proteins that happen to bind to ribosomes when they get lucky enough. I wonder if you optimized so ingredients are produced on average closer so their consumers if the base would end up being more efficient. I also think that maybe making the lanes between the cells 2-way and making the intersections truly 4 way maybe could have balanced out the distribution of items better.

[@CheshireCad]

Other people's brains: Logistics bot network for delivering dopamine and serotonin neurotransmitters with circuit-network combinators conditionally controlling their production and usage, combined with LTN train stations for cellular macronutrients. My brain: Sushi Megabase.

[@vantuz8264]

@@CheshireCad with regular "oops" shutdowns?

[@cewla3348]

@@CheshireCad THE COPPER GOES WHERE IT WANTS! sir, it is in your lungs. SO BE IT!

[@PBOZAI]

I would expect evenly distributing each recipe across the base would lead to better throughput. Each block of the same recipe is effectively competing with another, so spacing them out makes it less likely to starve each other and more likely for any resource to randomly run into a consumer.

[@mennovanlavieren3885]

Was thinking the same

[@he3004]

long handed inserters to pick up from two belts instead of one could also have helped

[@PBOZAI]

He knows Dosh already did this, which means he must have figured out a way to do it worse… this is going to hurt, isn’t it?

[@PBOZAI]

2 minutes and 45 seconds later: ABJECT HORROR

[@bobjoe3492]

@@PBOZAI it's beautiful 🥹

[@yasohiro]

Around 34:58 youre talking about the north-west bias, and after racking my brain ive come to the following conclusion; Since your blocks go clockwise, and each time it encounters an edge that doesnt split, it adds a little bias. Now, if it was a perfect square, that wouldnt matter, but due to the V-shape there are more edges at the bottom than the top, so a slight bias. Towards east. And just from how slight that should be, i fear the total playtime already...

[@MGSLurmey]

This makes so much sense.. how have you not gotten more attention on this comment??

[@TheFinagle]

One very easy trick to ensure your count combinators keep accurate counts. Set up their own little power supply - especially once you get solar and accumulators. They are very low draw so really dont need much to ensure they never suffer blackouts. After watching you and Dosh do this Im tempted to try this myself in a world, but I would want to use the [each] >= [item] trick and ignore the on belt ratios, jut add whatever is lowest on the belts until they are full. Combined with a system that remembers everything that was ever seen this should

[@DocJade]

I didnt do this for 2 reasons: 1: It forced me to upgrade power, I'm usually really bad about this. 2: Lazy. bonus: I was a tad worried that if I put it on a separate network and accidently hooked it back into the main one, i wouldn't notice and ruin the count without ever knowing Yeah, I really shoulda done that. oh well

[@G-Forces]

Doing the sushi like that instead of a loop is both better and much worse idea at the same time.

[@johnydl]

Nice to see my 8to8 balancer design made it's way out of the KoS discord :D that thing was a headache to shorten I'm half convinced I can go one more shorter still but it's been ages

[@ignaloidas]

12 (including belts before and after first balancers) is the limit according to my experiments with Factorio-SAT, which checks if there is a layout that fits a balancer network. So unless there's some breakthrough in that, no way to shorten it more.

[@johnydl]

I did get an imperfect 11 using an extra splitter iirc which is why I thought I could get it but I never used tools, just trial and error and intuition, good to know though, saves me stressing about it

[@Schulz8374]

Chicken 🐥

[@ignaloidas]

I've been (thoroughly) planning a sushi base build since Dosh's video came out, so here's some of my thoughts about your plan with that context: You actually avoided one of the main mistakes with Dosh's sushi build - bursts. A city block design spreads out the timing distribution of items enough that machines have the ability to almost constantly produce stuff instead of being in the cycle of overproduction and zero production. Your city block design has a bit of an unbalanced distribution for items - using standard balancers between junctions is easier, but it fixes the path of the items into vertical-horizontal zig-zags, which I think is the reason why your items got biased into one side of the base. You could avoid this with some way funkier balancer designs. You've counted the total items in the whole factory - I think that it's better to count a "percentage of items on belts" or something to that effect. Basically, in what proportion the items are sitting on some portion of the belts. It both makes it easier to track for congestion - if the total percentages sum up to 100, the belts are full, and it decouples the base size from the equation - you want roughly the same proportion of iron with a small base as with a big one, so if you're tracking the proportion, no need to manually adjust the settings again and again. But that needs a fair bit of work with circuits to control everything properly. Belting fluids isn't a mistake - just imagine what pain would it be to make a grid of all the fluids, and how much lag would that cause! Anyways, if I'll get to finishing up my planning and going through my sushi base, I'll definitely record it to show how it's done!

[@Schulz8374]

It's clear that you've put a lot of thought into your sushi base build, especially with the goal of avoiding the burst production issue seen in Dosh's video. Your city block design does help in maintaining a smoother production flow, reducing the cycle of overproduction and zero production. Regarding item distribution, using non-standard balancer designs could be a creative way to prevent items from biasing into one side of the base, as opposed to the typical vertical-horizontal zig-zags. These unique balancers might help achieve a more even distribution. Counting a "percentage of items on belts" rather than the total items in the factory is a great approach, as it simplifies congestion tracking and decouples base size from the equation, which is a smart way to maintain consistency as your base grows. However, it does require careful circuitry to control everything effectively. Belting fluids instead of creating a grid of fluid containers is a practical choice to prevent potential lag issues. I look forward to seeing your progress on your sushi base and the recording you mentioned to showcase how it's done. Good luck with your project!

[@palma8017]

Just subcribed to you with bell, please do that video

[@Pystro]

"You could avoid this with some way funkier balancer designs." It would just need to prioritize flipping items between the left 4 and right 4 belts. That would ensure that an item passing through a north-facing balancer that came from the west will likely continue east (and an item that came from the east will more likely continue to the west, and the same for all other balancer directions), which will spread items out further and faster. Also, this balancer (visible for example at 19:29) is NOT a throughput unlimited type. I wonder if that contributed to the top left being unable to get items to the bottom right fast enough. I don't really think so, but who knows... "you want roughly the same proportion of iron with a small base as with a big one," But you might want a larger share of iron on a less developed base than for a more developed base. The more developed base has more item types on the belts. On the other hand, running the less developed base with the final iron density will show if that will work. So yeah, I guess I agree.

[@ignaloidas]

@@Pystro So with balancers, I am actually looking at balancing withinjunctions - I've posted an early version on reddit, but the gist is that each "lane group" has half of the lanes going the opposite way - so on each junction each item has about equal chances to go in any of the 4 directions. The fact that the balancer isn't throughput-unlimited doesn't really matter unless some of the output lanes are blocked, which was not a problem here. As for iron proportion, what I meant is more like "how much iron is on 100 belts" rather than "how much iron is there out of 1000 items". Belt utilization/fullness should increase a bit as the base grows, but I think that timing between iron passing some random belt in the factory should be roughly constant.

[@ShDragon1]

Ratios are probably a good way to approach it, but it led me to think of what I think is the true solution - Think of it in terms of throughput. A red belt carries 1800 items per minute. Lets say we're aiming for 200 science/minute like in the video - That means 200 red science has to be passing by the lab every minute. But that also means that 200 copper plates and 200 iron gears have to be passing by the red science assemblers every minute. Which is 400 iron plates. And 400 copper ore and Iron ore each past the furnaces. That's already 1800. A completely full red belt just to do red science. Now imagine all of the copper plates for the ~200ish LDS you need per minute for space science The other factor is that having an 8 wide sushi belt like the vid doesn't actually help if your assemblers are only being fed from one belt, because they'll only "see" that one belt of items. If your inserters are only picking up from one lane, then your throughput is capped at 2700 on blue belts no matter how many lanes you have. The extra lanes are just extra space to fill if you're not grabbing from them.

[@Pystro]

The first problem that I've seen with every sushi base ever is item count leakage. In THEORY you should be able to just count the items thrown onto the belts and taken off, but since it never works, I would not build a sushi base without adding logic that can update the count to what's actually on the belts. With this modular base, you could have just wired up all belts in front of (or behind) a balancer, and that would have counted every item every 6-ish seconds. If you then divide the count in your memory cell by 2 every 6 seconds, it will fluctuate between the actual amount and twice the amount. A very easy way to achieve that would be to throw a single fish onto the sushi belts and do the division every time that fish passes one of those counting stations. Putting it onto the sushi belts themselves and not a separate loop with the same cycle time will automatically account for when the belts get backed up. Since the count will trend towards an accurate number really quickly, you wouldn't even need to bother counting the items you place onto and remove from the belts. If you want a more accurate count, you can subtract 1/10th of what is currently on the memory cell any time the fish passes a counting station. Then the value in the memory cell will fluctuate between 9 and 10 times the actual count (and the count will reflect the running average of about the last 60 seconds). In that case you'll want to change the memory cell by 10 (or 9) times what the inserters grabbed from and placed onto the belt. A second problem is that for the item count targets on the belts, people always seem to just take the production rate (for a minute or whatever) and make that the count. Let's say you have iron smelting and brick smelting. You'll have more furnaces for iron than for bricks, but both types will want one of their "ores" to pass by their inserter every 1*0.625 seconds. (And since the assembler that makes rails wants a quite similar number of raw stone, it won't really change the number of stone needed.) In reality, you'll probably want to choose the target number so that it matches the highest consumption rate of *a single* machine. A reasonable 0th order approximation to that is that you assume that all machines consume at the same rate, in which case you'll want to allocate 1/Nth of the belt space to each item. (Where you actually have N-1 or N-2 items or so; you'll definitely want to reserve some belt space to be empty so that you can put items onto it, and you might want to account for the items that the previous machine has put onto the belt). A slightly better 1st order approximation is to take the production rate and divide it by the number of consuming machines. Also, to guarantee 100% uptime of your machines, you may need buffers. Assume you have 38 item types on your belt, and you set the target for all of them to 1/40th of the belt space. That means that ON AVERAGE, the next item that the assembler needs is 5 belt pieces away. But there is a 50% chance that it's not within those next 5 belts, and 12.5% that it isn't within the next 15 belts, and 6.25% that it isn't even within the next 20 belts, and 1.5%ish that it isn't within the next 30 belts. In order to guarantee high uptime, you'll probably want to pull from the belt into a chest, in order to increase the time that you can afford to wait for an item. For the final mistake, look at a tier 3 assembler for iron gear wheels. It needs an iron plate every 0.200 seconds. A blue belt can carry 45 items/s, but due to the second point we can again assume that only about 1/40th of the belt will be gear wheels. That means a single blue belt will carry about 1 gear wheel per second past the assembler. In order to carry 5 gear wheels per second PAST the assembler, you'll need 5 blue belts!!! And that won't mean that you'll get the 5 gears INTO the assembler. While any inserter is swinging, it has an opportunity to miss gear wheels on the belt. Realistically, you'll probably want the ability to grab from 6 or more belts. Without buffer chests you can grab from up to 16 belts, and with buffer chests it's unlimited (due to the ability to chain the chests).

[@mennovanlavieren3885]

Great analysis! Now I'm temped to build all of this and add some idea's of my own.

[@drsupergood8978]

Counting items off the belts is probably a bad idea at such a scale. Each belt connected with logic causes a transport lane break. At such a scale as the base in the video, this would likely double or worse the number of lane sections to update. On top of the increased complexity from having to sum all items on the belts, this would likely massively reduce performance.

[@Pystro]

@@drsupergood8978 Valid point. I don't know much about Factorio performance and especially little about how belts are optimized. The performance impact with this suggestion that I noticed is that hundreds of items would be counted on the belts every tick. But what's the point in making something fast if you can't make it work? It will just grind to a halt earlier. It might instead make more sense to come up with a method to debug/pinpoint _where_ leakage occurs. That way you could fix all issues and then remove the extra circuitry to get maximum performance. (In addition to only applying that modification to a small part of the base at once.) I don't really know how I would do that, though. You'd need to count everything that enters and leaves a certain section; and I'm not just talking about on the belts, but also via the inserters. And getting that last part to work without disrupting the total counts in the base would be the tricky bit.

[@ignaloidas]

Buffers simply cannot increase uptime. No single machine can get a better throughput of inputs than some portion of a belt, determined by the proportion of the item on the belt (unless you do some stuff to route as many different belts to a single machine. They might reduce the fluctuation, but inserters will insert inputs for *at least* 2 crafts in advance - that's a buffer. Buffer chests can only reduce the fluctuations in the uptime, but they cannot reduce it.

[@Pystro]

@@ignaloidas That's only true in some circumstances. You can indeed not increase uptime beyond what the average flow of items past/into the machine allows. And in many sushi bases, this is THE limiting factor. Simply because the number of machines built and the SPM goal is usually out of scale with what the belts can provide. But the conclusion changes if you have some types of assemblers that are very busy and you sized their number to the desired output (and done those calculations correctly), which I would call requirements for calling a sushi base "working correctly". In that case, any fluctuation would decrease uptime (because fluctuations of uptime above 100% aren't possible).

[@clarfonthey]

Honestly dunno what's wrong with me; watching this makes me want to do my own variant of a sushi base.

[@kookiespace]

6:55 this design is both somehow the most genius thing i've ever seen and the most horrifying nightmare that will haunt me for years to come

[@Brant92M]

Did you concentrate the entire ocean's population of fish into the tiny pond feeding water to the entire base?

[@DavidLindes]

For those who, like me, saw this comment before seeing the fish... 43:43. :)

[@brycemw]

““This entire thing is the quote, not just the part in quote marks.” [Quote marks, brackets, and editor’s note are all in the original. -ED.]” - Randall Munroe

[@Andersmithy]

Just want to say that when I saw this video I thought "man... I don't want to watch another factorio video" but then I remembered your name and got very excited to watch another of *your* factorio videos.

[@Schulz8374]

Chicken 🐥

[@Hawk7886]

​@@Schulz8374what

[@guffels]

This man did the unthinkable and started the challenge with biters enabled.

[@DIY_Miracle]

The idea that your advance circuits can break if power runs low is absolutely terrifying

[@ripecontext]

Ah, a good old cup of man made horrors beyond my comprehension. Thanks doc

[@maxinealexander9709]

it's ripe!

[@robotduck212]

the way he explained how the circuits worked was really amazing, really helped me understand how they work, even if i still barely get them

[@deem1819]

This channel is criminally undersubscribed, production quality is easily worthy of several hundred thousand

[@Terrik240]

Ive rewatched this a couple times, and the interstellar bit about barreling fluids kills me everytime

[@Owlboi]

mf would rather run out of energy every 20 seconds than simply make a single inserter input coal from a chest.

[@DocJade]

Cheating!

[@moxzy3213]

@@DocJade And yet you used inserters to input items from chests. Be a man place each and every item on the belts

[@everlonggaming1966]

Why is this so relaxing to watch?! It should cause some sort of anxiety attack but, I find it calming and so pleasing to watch. Thank you

[@Kabluey2011]

You're a madlad. I love it. Plain and simple. I'll probably never try one of these after watching both you and Dosh do it, I just don't think I have the patience or sanity for it. But I love both of your runs

[@shadeofsound23]

"Oops." - DocJade, 2023 I have no idea why but those "oops"es when your power died were always hilarious.

[@shadeofsound23]

@2:50 oh god no

[@michaelbuckers]

You could add a constant combinator to the cell's blueprint that adds 1 of some signal (e.g. red) to the network, this keeps tally of the number of cells you have built. Then you can add constant combinators that set the amount of items there should be on the belts per cell (i.e. available to each cell at any time, on average) and multiply by number of cells to get the number of items total to put on the sushi belt. Each red belt cell belt loop holds approximately 1400 loose items, so you could use that to gauge available physical space on the belt when adjusting the number of items per cell.

[@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo]

Guy saw DoshDoshinton's video and was like, "I can do this better, and make it worse."

[@Azeazezar]

Thank you for going all out and putting liquids on the sushi belts. Wouldn't have been the same without it. ❤

[@davidmadiar3928]

1 more lane bro, just one more lane and I'll finish Factorio, just one more lane, trust me bro

[@vertigofy6699]

the idea of a base that transport items by, i guess, *diffusion,*is really really really funny to me

[@threesixtydegreeorbits2047]

1:00 we stan the midwesterner 🫡🫡🫡🫡

[@arbitervildred8999]

I think inserter speed and capacity it's also a priority, to help inserters not miss on items while they rotate

[@petercollins797]

Wow this was a great video! The sushi belt run is something I've always thought about doing but am just too scared/value my sanity too highly. Nice run.

[@lucas____________]

Sometimes, genius is mistaken for madness. Those few enlightened souls who stumble upon a higher plane of understanding, who see and perceive the world in a way we can barely comprehend, are the people who are so genius that madness is simply a consequence of our flawed perception of them. This case is not one of them, this guy is clearly insane.

[@teddy4271]

You can theoretically sort of get around the item count inaccuracy issues by abstracting away the item counts into an "items per minute" rolling average and using that to manage the belt contents. This has the benefit of scaling inputs automatically with consumption so you don't really have to fiddle with constants, and since it runs on averages instead of hard counts, it'll eventually just heal itself after a brownout, though it might take a while.

[@hunterhulsey5799]

“Through the magic of building two of them” Was that a technology connections reference?

[@what42pizza]

Well, that's also what I immediately thought

[@pennyjim5671]

Your snap-to-grid skills abhor me. You had at least one blueprint that followed the grid, all you needed to do was copy the snap size and global offset to make more that snapped on the same grid! All you needed to do was fiddle with the local offset, but looking at your snapped blueprint, you don't even know how to do that! Edit: I still subscribed

[@AssassinAgent]

That's so chaotic that my head hurts. I love it

[@supernenechi]

Already, "through the magic of making two of them" that reference killed me. Absolutely amazing!

[@Her_Imperious_Condescension]

Technology Connections reference had me cackling.

[@Buugipopuu]

Somehow, this base reminds me of some of the animated writhing flesh textures from Doom.

[@bradywood5898]

Felt the need to subscribe because every time he said "opps" while depositing coal into his power system, made me smile... Good shit!

[@Cranberrie123]

If you use burner inserters specifically for fueling the boilers you wont have the issue where the power runs low and they struggle or stop refueling the boilers. If your power runs out completely, or you run out of coal, burners will automatically restart once coal is restored.

[@Arbeta10000]

Not putting all the liquid resources on the belts with barrels and unloading them on site where they're needed feels a bit like cheating, goes against the spirit of things But then again.. I'm kinda glad you didn't EDIT: Nevermind, I hadn't gotten past the first initial base, you really did do it EDIT2: And it was awful, thank you for that (it was great)

[@jeffmartyn6743]

In hindsight, you could limit how much the items run off to dead ends in the corners by simply.... not placing them. Make the only possible output the ones that feed back into the sushi

[@theworkshopwhisperer.5902]

Now this is a true work of art. Somehow this is more beautiful and amazing than train supplied mega bases. I would love to see you make another base but this time with practical sushi.

[@CrabQueen]

Your consistant unwillingness to ever build enough power is madening

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Its almost like LA traffic could be fixed if they built a tram network.

[@nochill6656]

25:38 you made us lose the game you sneaky bastard

[@Silv3rDragon]

I imagine one solution to the localized item shortages would be to spread the production of each item all over the base in an equally sushi manner rather than have it "organized" like with the oil all in the middle and iron/copper around the outside.

[@zetamathdoespuzzles]

Truly fantastic, can't wait to see what you think of next!

[@Jortpower2009-ev8io]

what you couldve done was desing a vacuum cell you can activate with a combinator or something that will slowly remove all items from the belts then when you give the signal they will release the items while counting them to get a accurate count once more

[@kartav1k]

I have 500 hours of Factorio in steam, and seeing this I wanna cry. Well, finally I can say I am not dead inside. You are

[@thehatertatertotautobot2526]

"Through the magic of making two of them" good reference

[@maxis_scott_engie_maximov_jr]

Technically Sushi belts are better for compact factories cuz it doesn't matter where you place buildings, the required items will come across at some point

[@aerbon]

54:46 "This quote is very memorable." - Randall Munroe

[@tedg1278]

I saw a rather nice video someone did for a self adapting sushi build. That would be the smart way to go on most of it.

[@joesmamaofficial]

ITS FINALLY HERE. Hooray!

[@lemeow8102]

should have put the liquids in barrels on the sushi belt 🙂

[@lemeow8102]

nvm omg

[@lemeow8102]

this is beautiful

[@kksharm7736]

you can mark walls with deconstruction plan, so there will be gap between them, and then just ctrl+z that, its a bit faster then just mine and place walls by hand

[@valseedian]

yo! I love it. my first base was a sushi base... kinda. was 3 huge blue loops of 4 lines carrying everything (welll... to me... then... they were huge... these days I've got bigger nuclear power modules. ) my last playthrough ended in a no-belt world where everything was moved by bots or inserters and storage. warehouse mod plus long reach fast stack inserters can move 300k items 22 tiles per tick per line.

[@christophertesta8097]

Yes. An hour. I cannot wait. Edit: I AM NOW DEAD FROM THE INTERSTELLAR EDIT

[@chiefbucket]

What a complete atrocity of a base. Well worth the wait

[@spaceguy5234]

Hell yeah. Glad you were able to get it out!

[@waralo191]

One option for accurate counts would be to have a dedicated power supply for the counting combinator. Also, i can totally see this kind of setup with filtered stack inserters, for making modules. The imbalance is pretty much due to diffusion and localized production/consumption. Higher item count would be needed to counteract, or more spread out production of various things. Basically not having basic production on one side, and advanced production on the other.

[@thelivingcat0210]

good lord at least dosh's base was made in such a way that it ran stably with a *relatively* even item distribution and items couldn't skip entire sections of the base by pure bad luck

[@meedrowh1809]

The absolute hilarity of you accidentally launching a steel bar into space the first time, and then missing the launch of the second rocket with the satellite was too much for me Absolute peak

[@Man2quilla]

Certified dosh moment. Y'all are both crazy

[@heliomance760]

If you're looking for ridiculous challenge runs, I'd love to see one where you have a central warehouse district and a rule that every resource must be taken from its place of manufacture to a warehouse, and then distributed from there...

[@skotdude]

The logic and controls are very, very impressive, but the sight of those 8 belt wide intersections filled with every item ever fully mixed makes me violently ill.

[@tonytony-yw7tg]

i think the main problem is the grid didn't spreaded evenly, so the ingrediates take forever to travel through the base you may add a hyper-sushi loop of blue belt across the base as "highway" and some huge loop of red belt as "region", and then your grid as "house"

[@itsasecret1523]

Oh my gosh I just got obsessed a day or two ago about this other youtubers sushi belt base video and today - you release this! I am Sooooo excited, thank you!!!!

[@DanielLamando]

The mad man he really did it

[@jjones503]

I couldn't imagine the amount of pain you went through making this video. We demand more pain.

[@Ang3lUki]

I like the mesh topology, it might be less prone to the issues dosh's ring bus design had, guess I gotta finish the video :)

[@evotech]

It's also insanely slower

[@zebrin]

The fact that the sushi is all moving in different directions is oddly hypnotizing...

[@Kumquat_Lord]

This was worth the wait!

[@coldeonar]

Lmao the Interstellar joke at 18:30 made me laugh pretty hard. That was good.

[@Lexin7]

40:36 ROBOTS!! BEST MOVIE

[@shieldphaser]

Those "oops" at the start really got me. I mean after a point, just build a belt

[@chaos8364]

i've been eagerly awaiting this one for a while now

[@GalvTheImpressive]

As this goes further and further in. All I can hear is "Breakfast Machine" on loop in my head, while staring at this.

[@noxabellus]

watching the sushi flow absolutely peaked my anxiety, truly an eldritch video doc

[@Robbbbb1011]

Good god, I've never seen anything like this. Hats off to you sir for sticking with it for so long, you've more than earnt yourself a new sub haha

[@tomsterbg8130]

It's beautiful. Some interesting thoughts that come to mind is the items are analogous to molecules and the belts are analogous to capillaries. Perhaps you could take inspiration from life since it already fixed this problem for you! I remember reading a reddit post about the blood bus. Basically hooking up all belts and reading contents on hold signal which would accurately count all items except maybe ones in undergrounds and splitters. Another way is to have item sensors like the speakers, but you would want a specific items/min goal and when that's not fulfilled, the sensor sounds an alarm analogous to hormones. To get massively greater SPM it's helpful to increase the chances that an item will be what you need. This is done by preventing most of the items from reaching the sushi. Just have raw resources going directly to end goal items like science. Malls can just output in chests instead of on the sushi.

[@mixis1931]

How can something this terrifying be so... beautiful?

[@charredUtensil]

In a large enough base, the simplified sushi circuit design of "red wire +1, green wire -1" becomes problematic - a lot of things could happen that mess up the count. An alternate idea I just thought of: detect items _on the belt_ with pulses on the red wire and use the green wire for your "computer" to tell the circuit what it does or doesn't want by simple presence. The computer can just sample however many items pass in however long it takes for your sushi to complete a full loop. This also makes it easier for you to adjust the desired counts and you don't have any problems if your system fails from biter attack or power stall, AND it doesn't count items dead in the corners.

[@maltardraco9555]

Broke: Spaghetti. Woke: Sushi.