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@DocJade8 ай бұрын
A couple things: Q: Why didnt you go straight for launching rockets? / Why did launching a rocket take X hours? When I started the run, my immediate goal was to hit that 200 spm, i didn't want to build a base to launch the rocket just tear it down again to setup the megabase. If the goal was to just beat the game, this run definitely would have been a lot shorter. (maybe it should have been?) Q: Why didn't you put the sushi circuit on its own power grid? I'm stupid. (also oops) Q: What's with the french subtitles? I was automatically generating the english subtitles for the video in my editing software, and it lost it's damn mind and randomly translated the entire thing into french, which i thought was pretty funny, so I uploaded them, as is. Also, if you have constructive critisim about the video (or questions in general!), please let me know! i really do want to hear it
@AustralianCapitalist8 ай бұрын
I would love a round 2 with these ideas. Plus having the production cells not in mass groups. The spreading out of iron furnaces was great for example. And not putting fluids in barrels, would be a massive headache saver
@DocJade8 ай бұрын
@@AustralianCapitalist yeah i only barreld the fluids because i knew it would be a PITA, and as for spreading out the production, yeah i thought about it during the run, but at that point i would have had to basically start over to rebuild it Definitly would have made the base a lot better oh also long inserters to reach more than one belt, why didn't i do that???
@commanderfoxtrot8 ай бұрын
The question I have is: Why not use Ghost Placer Express?
@DocJade8 ай бұрын
I consider that mod to be basically cheating lol
@commanderfoxtrot8 ай бұрын
@@DocJade How? It lets you place blueprinted items just by hovering over the ghost, and only if you have the item in your inventory. It expedites a regular process slightly. Nothing more, nothing less.
@Hoopaugi8 ай бұрын
"Man sushi makes malls easy" is like saying "Man terminal lung cancer makes retirement planning easy"
@memeymeme36458 ай бұрын
Bruh
@moose88967 ай бұрын
@@memeymeme3645 OMG you will never guess whos washing Brad's car!
@ReefTheManokit4 ай бұрын
@moose8896 who's brad?
@Snatch6983 ай бұрын
I mean terminal lung cancer does make planning easy
@cryochick90443 ай бұрын
I mean Not really, sushi is my go to for malls in modded. They add complicated recipies I sushi it
@nimblesheepvenomous38118 ай бұрын
Do you think the Factorio devs refuse to watch these videos because they too live in fear of what they have created
@Escafrost13 күн бұрын
Devs use these as inspiration for the expansion
@shingshongshamalama8 ай бұрын
Me foolishly opening this video: "There's no way he can possibly make something more horrifying than Dosh's enormous sushi machine." Me five minutes later watching you build a MODULAR GRID-BASED SUSHI BASE: "I am a fool."
@JohnDBlue8 ай бұрын
I practically NEED to see what Dosh thinks about this monster 😂😂
@drokles21258 ай бұрын
I think even Dosh would find it insane even if he just did a rail grid based Seablock base that mixes one way and two way rails as he saw fit
@raizors13318 ай бұрын
@@JohnDBlue You can find Dosh's comment somewhere. And yes, it's the best complement for this warcrime of an idea
@JohnDBlue8 ай бұрын
@@raizors1331 wait he commented??? Shit now I have to see it
@astiasinus8 ай бұрын
Uuups 😂😂😂😂
@AtrakKarta8 ай бұрын
Doc: "I'll just make a side-sushi belt for extra iron." Me: *Looks down at plate* "This is just rice." Doc: "It's plain sushi."
@Ryan_Richter8 ай бұрын
You may have aged over 200 hours during the playthrough, but your cpu has aged much more.
@Electric_Bagpipes7 ай бұрын
Dude literally made a multicellular organism. Complete with the random ass fluid transfer between cells, its perfect.
@katuli36776 ай бұрын
Dude also literally made many cancers in this organism
@Schmidtstone8 ай бұрын
the fact that you researched robots before the pickaxe upgrade gives me chills
@jakedanielsen45128 ай бұрын
Have you ever mined manually by the time you could even get that upgrade?
@calvindang72918 ай бұрын
@@jakedanielsen4512 Steel axe is for removing buildings and trees faster, not ores. Once you get bots it becomes a lot less helpful.
@spaceguy52348 ай бұрын
Once you get past the initial disgust theres a sort of beauty to the sushi
@noxabellus8 ай бұрын
oh no we lost spaceguy to sushi induced madness
@he30046 ай бұрын
honestly with a lot of calculation I feel like it could work the problem is crafting really slows down because items aren't found as easily solution is more items, but how much? percentages, we need to assign a certain percent of the belt to certain items, this meams to limit the amount of items to x*total belt count for example let's say we need 10 percent of the belts to be iron and we have 69000 belts, we should allow 6900 iron on the belts so every belt carries on average 1.5 iron at any given time despite having this solution, I have no idea how to implement it without having the human reset the item count for every single item every time a belt is placed
@cewla33486 ай бұрын
@@he3004 factorio players will do maths on ANYTHING
@thobbit3 ай бұрын
@@he3004 Couldn’t you use a circuit on a specific provider chest and only have bots place belts, and only have belts available via that chest? The downside is that I think you could end up over saturating the belts depending on how that circuit is set up (via the inserter- I’ve never tried to use a circuit to count items taken out of a chest by bots so idk if that’s possible)
@thobbit3 ай бұрын
You could also set up a circuit on all yellow chests to detect if any belts get added to them, and subtract from the running belt count
@c_smathers8 ай бұрын
three minutes in and you already have me audibly saying "oh my God that's horrible." Excellent.
@NickiRusin8 ай бұрын
got the exact same sentence out of me, glad the audience's reaction is consistent
@Tom262888 ай бұрын
Chicken 🐥
@Jortpower2009-ev8io8 ай бұрын
havent started watching becuase of ads but that cant be good edit: you are so right
@RoseArtemis247 ай бұрын
My response was very similar too
@A7fie988 ай бұрын
“Fun” idea for a drinking game, take a shot every time he says “oops”
@stijnvanlankveld98938 ай бұрын
Are you *trying* to kill me?
@nikidino88 ай бұрын
@@stijnvanlankveld9893 alright, just drink on every time he says now :)
@DocJade8 ай бұрын
If you pay close attention, its the exact same voice clip every time
@Tom262888 ай бұрын
Chicken 🐥
@digistruct0r2458 ай бұрын
liver failure
@vildis.8 ай бұрын
"By the magic of making two of them" killed me 🤣🤣🤣
@Tom262888 ай бұрын
Chicken 🐥
@Monoryable8 ай бұрын
Good reference
@koogco8 ай бұрын
Probably a fellow Technology Connections enjoyer.
@Vienuolee8 ай бұрын
Oh, I see you use too much detergent in your dishwasher aswell!
@Linventor8 ай бұрын
was not expecting that reference here of all places
@PBOZAI8 ай бұрын
He knows Dosh already did this, which means he must have figured out a way to do it worse… this is going to hurt, isn’t it?
@PBOZAI8 ай бұрын
2 minutes and 45 seconds later: ABJECT HORROR
@bobjoe34927 ай бұрын
@@PBOZAI it's beautiful 🥹
@bigsad88818 ай бұрын
As someone who is currently in their first playthrough, the fact that this build is still more efficient than mine makes me sick. Also the phrase "we need to expand" gives me "just add another lane to the highway bro" vibes.
@naterthan55698 ай бұрын
This reminds me of how a cell makes proteins, just random diffusion of different proteins that happen to bind to ribosomes when they get lucky enough. I wonder if you optimized so ingredients are produced on average closer so their consumers if the base would end up being more efficient. I also think that maybe making the lanes between the cells 2-way and making the intersections truly 4 way maybe could have balanced out the distribution of items better.
@CheshireCad8 ай бұрын
Other people's brains: Logistics bot network for delivering dopamine and serotonin neurotransmitters with circuit-network combinators conditionally controlling their production and usage, combined with LTN train stations for cellular macronutrients. My brain: Sushi Megabase.
@vantuz82648 ай бұрын
@@CheshireCad with regular "oops" shutdowns?
@cewla33486 ай бұрын
@@CheshireCad THE COPPER GOES WHERE IT WANTS! sir, it is in your lungs. SO BE IT!
@yasohiro6 ай бұрын
Around 34:58 youre talking about the north-west bias, and after racking my brain ive come to the following conclusion; Since your blocks go clockwise, and each time it encounters an edge that doesnt split, it adds a little bias. Now, if it was a perfect square, that wouldnt matter, but due to the V-shape there are more edges at the bottom than the top, so a slight bias. Towards east. And just from how slight that should be, i fear the total playtime already...
@MGSLurmey5 ай бұрын
This makes so much sense.. how have you not gotten more attention on this comment??
@PBOZAI8 ай бұрын
I would expect evenly distributing each recipe across the base would lead to better throughput. Each block of the same recipe is effectively competing with another, so spacing them out makes it less likely to starve each other and more likely for any resource to randomly run into a consumer.
@mennovanlavieren38858 ай бұрын
Was thinking the same
@he30046 ай бұрын
long handed inserters to pick up from two belts instead of one could also have helped
@TheFinagle8 ай бұрын
One very easy trick to ensure your count combinators keep accurate counts. Set up their own little power supply - especially once you get solar and accumulators. They are very low draw so really dont need much to ensure they never suffer blackouts. After watching you and Dosh do this Im tempted to try this myself in a world, but I would want to use the [each] >= [item] trick and ignore the on belt ratios, jut add whatever is lowest on the belts until they are full. Combined with a system that remembers everything that was ever seen this should
@DocJade8 ай бұрын
I didnt do this for 2 reasons: 1: It forced me to upgrade power, I'm usually really bad about this. 2: Lazy. bonus: I was a tad worried that if I put it on a separate network and accidently hooked it back into the main one, i wouldn't notice and ruin the count without ever knowing Yeah, I really shoulda done that. oh well
@G-Forces8 ай бұрын
Doing the sushi like that instead of a loop is both better and much worse idea at the same time.
@johnydl8 ай бұрын
Nice to see my 8to8 balancer design made it's way out of the KoS discord :D that thing was a headache to shorten I'm half convinced I can go one more shorter still but it's been ages
@ignaloidas8 ай бұрын
12 (including belts before and after first balancers) is the limit according to my experiments with Factorio-SAT, which checks if there is a layout that fits a balancer network. So unless there's some breakthrough in that, no way to shorten it more.
@johnydl8 ай бұрын
I did get an imperfect 11 using an extra splitter iirc which is why I thought I could get it but I never used tools, just trial and error and intuition, good to know though, saves me stressing about it
@Tom262888 ай бұрын
Chicken 🐥
@ignaloidas8 ай бұрын
I've been (thoroughly) planning a sushi base build since Dosh's video came out, so here's some of my thoughts about your plan with that context: You actually avoided one of the main mistakes with Dosh's sushi build - bursts. A city block design spreads out the timing distribution of items enough that machines have the ability to almost constantly produce stuff instead of being in the cycle of overproduction and zero production. Your city block design has a bit of an unbalanced distribution for items - using standard balancers between junctions is easier, but it fixes the path of the items into vertical-horizontal zig-zags, which I think is the reason why your items got biased into one side of the base. You could avoid this with some way funkier balancer designs. You've counted the total items in the whole factory - I think that it's better to count a "percentage of items on belts" or something to that effect. Basically, in what proportion the items are sitting on some portion of the belts. It both makes it easier to track for congestion - if the total percentages sum up to 100, the belts are full, and it decouples the base size from the equation - you want roughly the same proportion of iron with a small base as with a big one, so if you're tracking the proportion, no need to manually adjust the settings again and again. But that needs a fair bit of work with circuits to control everything properly. Belting fluids isn't a mistake - just imagine what pain would it be to make a grid of all the fluids, and how much lag would that cause! Anyways, if I'll get to finishing up my planning and going through my sushi base, I'll definitely record it to show how it's done!
@Tom262888 ай бұрын
It's clear that you've put a lot of thought into your sushi base build, especially with the goal of avoiding the burst production issue seen in Dosh's video. Your city block design does help in maintaining a smoother production flow, reducing the cycle of overproduction and zero production. Regarding item distribution, using non-standard balancer designs could be a creative way to prevent items from biasing into one side of the base, as opposed to the typical vertical-horizontal zig-zags. These unique balancers might help achieve a more even distribution. Counting a "percentage of items on belts" rather than the total items in the factory is a great approach, as it simplifies congestion tracking and decouples base size from the equation, which is a smart way to maintain consistency as your base grows. However, it does require careful circuitry to control everything effectively. Belting fluids instead of creating a grid of fluid containers is a practical choice to prevent potential lag issues. I look forward to seeing your progress on your sushi base and the recording you mentioned to showcase how it's done. Good luck with your project!
@palma80178 ай бұрын
Just subcribed to you with bell, please do that video
@Pystro8 ай бұрын
"You could avoid this with some way funkier balancer designs." It would just need to prioritize flipping items between the left 4 and right 4 belts. That would ensure that an item passing through a north-facing balancer that came from the west will likely continue east (and an item that came from the east will more likely continue to the west, and the same for all other balancer directions), which will spread items out further and faster. Also, this balancer (visible for example at 19:29) is NOT a throughput unlimited type. I wonder if that contributed to the top left being unable to get items to the bottom right fast enough. I don't really think so, but who knows... "you want roughly the same proportion of iron with a small base as with a big one," But you might want a larger share of iron on a less developed base than for a more developed base. The more developed base has more item types on the belts. On the other hand, running the less developed base with the final iron density will show if that will work. So yeah, I guess I agree.
@ignaloidas8 ай бұрын
@@Pystro So with balancers, I am actually looking at balancing withinjunctions - I've posted an early version on reddit, but the gist is that each "lane group" has half of the lanes going the opposite way - so on each junction each item has about equal chances to go in any of the 4 directions. The fact that the balancer isn't throughput-unlimited doesn't really matter unless some of the output lanes are blocked, which was not a problem here. As for iron proportion, what I meant is more like "how much iron is on 100 belts" rather than "how much iron is there out of 1000 items". Belt utilization/fullness should increase a bit as the base grows, but I think that timing between iron passing some random belt in the factory should be roughly constant.
@ShDragon18 ай бұрын
Ratios are probably a good way to approach it, but it led me to think of what I think is the true solution - Think of it in terms of throughput. A red belt carries 1800 items per minute. Lets say we're aiming for 200 science/minute like in the video - That means 200 red science has to be passing by the lab every minute. But that also means that 200 copper plates and 200 iron gears have to be passing by the red science assemblers every minute. Which is 400 iron plates. And 400 copper ore and Iron ore each past the furnaces. That's already 1800. A completely full red belt just to do red science. Now imagine all of the copper plates for the ~200ish LDS you need per minute for space science The other factor is that having an 8 wide sushi belt like the vid doesn't actually help if your assemblers are only being fed from one belt, because they'll only "see" that one belt of items. If your inserters are only picking up from one lane, then your throughput is capped at 2700 on blue belts no matter how many lanes you have. The extra lanes are just extra space to fill if you're not grabbing from them.
@clarfonthey8 ай бұрын
Honestly dunno what's wrong with me; watching this makes me want to do my own variant of a sushi base.
@ripecontext8 ай бұрын
Ah, a good old cup of man made horrors beyond my comprehension. Thanks doc
@maxinealexander97096 ай бұрын
it's ripe!
@Pystro8 ай бұрын
The first problem that I've seen with every sushi base ever is item count leakage. In THEORY you should be able to just count the items thrown onto the belts and taken off, but since it never works, I would not build a sushi base without adding logic that can update the count to what's actually on the belts. With this modular base, you could have just wired up all belts in front of (or behind) a balancer, and that would have counted every item every 6-ish seconds. If you then divide the count in your memory cell by 2 every 6 seconds, it will fluctuate between the actual amount and twice the amount. A very easy way to achieve that would be to throw a single fish onto the sushi belts and do the division every time that fish passes one of those counting stations. Putting it onto the sushi belts themselves and not a separate loop with the same cycle time will automatically account for when the belts get backed up. Since the count will trend towards an accurate number really quickly, you wouldn't even need to bother counting the items you place onto and remove from the belts. If you want a more accurate count, you can subtract 1/10th of what is currently on the memory cell any time the fish passes a counting station. Then the value in the memory cell will fluctuate between 9 and 10 times the actual count (and the count will reflect the running average of about the last 60 seconds). In that case you'll want to change the memory cell by 10 (or 9) times what the inserters grabbed from and placed onto the belt. A second problem is that for the item count targets on the belts, people always seem to just take the production rate (for a minute or whatever) and make that the count. Let's say you have iron smelting and brick smelting. You'll have more furnaces for iron than for bricks, but both types will want one of their "ores" to pass by their inserter every 1*0.625 seconds. (And since the assembler that makes rails wants a quite similar number of raw stone, it won't really change the number of stone needed.) In reality, you'll probably want to choose the target number so that it matches the highest consumption rate of *a single* machine. A reasonable 0th order approximation to that is that you assume that all machines consume at the same rate, in which case you'll want to allocate 1/Nth of the belt space to each item. (Where you actually have N-1 or N-2 items or so; you'll definitely want to reserve some belt space to be empty so that you can put items onto it, and you might want to account for the items that the previous machine has put onto the belt). A slightly better 1st order approximation is to take the production rate and divide it by the number of consuming machines. Also, to guarantee 100% uptime of your machines, you may need buffers. Assume you have 38 item types on your belt, and you set the target for all of them to 1/40th of the belt space. That means that ON AVERAGE, the next item that the assembler needs is 5 belt pieces away. But there is a 50% chance that it's not within those next 5 belts, and 12.5% that it isn't within the next 15 belts, and 6.25% that it isn't even within the next 20 belts, and 1.5%ish that it isn't within the next 30 belts. In order to guarantee high uptime, you'll probably want to pull from the belt into a chest, in order to increase the time that you can afford to wait for an item. For the final mistake, look at a tier 3 assembler for iron gear wheels. It needs an iron plate every 0.200 seconds. A blue belt can carry 45 items/s, but due to the second point we can again assume that only about 1/40th of the belt will be gear wheels. That means a single blue belt will carry about 1 gear wheel per second past the assembler. In order to carry 5 gear wheels per second PAST the assembler, you'll need 5 blue belts!!! And that won't mean that you'll get the 5 gears INTO the assembler. While any inserter is swinging, it has an opportunity to miss gear wheels on the belt. Realistically, you'll probably want the ability to grab from 6 or more belts. Without buffer chests you can grab from up to 16 belts, and with buffer chests it's unlimited (due to the ability to chain the chests).
@mennovanlavieren38858 ай бұрын
Great analysis! Now I'm temped to build all of this and add some idea's of my own.
@drsupergood89788 ай бұрын
Counting items off the belts is probably a bad idea at such a scale. Each belt connected with logic causes a transport lane break. At such a scale as the base in the video, this would likely double or worse the number of lane sections to update. On top of the increased complexity from having to sum all items on the belts, this would likely massively reduce performance.
@Pystro8 ай бұрын
@@drsupergood8978 Valid point. I don't know much about Factorio performance and especially little about how belts are optimized. The performance impact with this suggestion that I noticed is that hundreds of items would be counted on the belts every tick. But what's the point in making something fast if you can't make it work? It will just grind to a halt earlier. It might instead make more sense to come up with a method to debug/pinpoint _where_ leakage occurs. That way you could fix all issues and then remove the extra circuitry to get maximum performance. (In addition to only applying that modification to a small part of the base at once.) I don't really know how I would do that, though. You'd need to count everything that enters and leaves a certain section; and I'm not just talking about on the belts, but also via the inserters. And getting that last part to work without disrupting the total counts in the base would be the tricky bit.
@ignaloidas8 ай бұрын
Buffers simply cannot increase uptime. No single machine can get a better throughput of inputs than some portion of a belt, determined by the proportion of the item on the belt (unless you do some stuff to route as many different belts to a single machine. They might reduce the fluctuation, but inserters will insert inputs for *at least* 2 crafts in advance - that's a buffer. Buffer chests can only reduce the fluctuations in the uptime, but they cannot reduce it.
@Pystro8 ай бұрын
@@ignaloidas That's only true in some circumstances. You can indeed not increase uptime beyond what the average flow of items past/into the machine allows. And in many sushi bases, this is THE limiting factor. Simply because the number of machines built and the SPM goal is usually out of scale with what the belts can provide. But the conclusion changes if you have some types of assemblers that are very busy and you sized their number to the desired output (and done those calculations correctly), which I would call requirements for calling a sushi base "working correctly". In that case, any fluctuation would decrease uptime (because fluctuations of uptime above 100% aren't possible).
@kookiespace8 ай бұрын
6:55 this design is both somehow the most genius thing i've ever seen and the most horrifying nightmare that will haunt me for years to come
@Asssosasoterora8 ай бұрын
Imagine how much easier this would be in a year with control groups. It might make it possible to change the settings for all the inserters at once.
@shadeofsound238 ай бұрын
"Oops." - DocJade, 2023 I have no idea why but those "oops"es when your power died were always hilarious.
@shadeofsound238 ай бұрын
@2:50 oh god no
@Andersmithy8 ай бұрын
Just want to say that when I saw this video I thought "man... I don't want to watch another factorio video" but then I remembered your name and got very excited to watch another of *your* factorio videos.
@Tom262888 ай бұрын
Chicken 🐥
@Hawk78868 ай бұрын
@@Tom26288what
@Brant92M8 ай бұрын
Did you concentrate the entire ocean's population of fish into the tiny pond feeding water to the entire base?
@DavidLindes7 ай бұрын
For those who, like me, saw this comment before seeing the fish... 43:43. :)
@guffels8 ай бұрын
This man did the unthinkable and started the challenge with biters enabled.
@brycemw8 ай бұрын
““This entire thing is the quote, not just the part in quote marks.” [Quote marks, brackets, and editor’s note are all in the original. -ED.]” - Randall Munroe
@lucas____________7 ай бұрын
Sometimes, genius is mistaken for madness. Those few enlightened souls who stumble upon a higher plane of understanding, who see and perceive the world in a way we can barely comprehend, are the people who are so genius that madness is simply a consequence of our flawed perception of them. This case is not one of them, this guy is clearly insane.
@Owlboi8 ай бұрын
mf would rather run out of energy every 20 seconds than simply make a single inserter input coal from a chest.
@DocJade8 ай бұрын
Cheating!
@moxzy32138 ай бұрын
@@DocJade And yet you used inserters to input items from chests. Be a man place each and every item on the belts
@threesixtydegreeorbits20478 ай бұрын
1:00 we stan the midwesterner 🫡🫡🫡🫡
@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo8 ай бұрын
Guy saw DoshDoshinton's video and was like, "I can do this better, and make it worse."
@DIY_Miracle7 ай бұрын
The idea that your advance circuits can break if power runs low is absolutely terrifying
@deem18198 ай бұрын
This channel is criminally undersubscribed, production quality is easily worthy of several hundred thousand
@Kabluey20118 ай бұрын
You're a madlad. I love it. Plain and simple. I'll probably never try one of these after watching both you and Dosh do it, I just don't think I have the patience or sanity for it. But I love both of your runs
@meedrowh180912 күн бұрын
The absolute hilarity of you accidentally launching a steel bar into space the first time, and then missing the launch of the second rocket with the satellite was too much for me Absolute peak
@everlonggaming19668 ай бұрын
Why is this so relaxing to watch?! It should cause some sort of anxiety attack but, I find it calming and so pleasing to watch. Thank you
@AssassinAgent8 ай бұрын
That's so chaotic that my head hurts. I love it
@petercollins7978 ай бұрын
Wow this was a great video! The sushi belt run is something I've always thought about doing but am just too scared/value my sanity too highly. Nice run.
@vertigofy66998 ай бұрын
the idea of a base that transport items by, i guess, *diffusion,*is really really really funny to me
@thehatertatertotautobot2526Ай бұрын
"Through the magic of making two of them" good reference
@itsasecret15238 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh I just got obsessed a day or two ago about this other youtubers sushi belt base video and today - you release this! I am Sooooo excited, thank you!!!!
@Azeazezar8 ай бұрын
Thank you for going all out and putting liquids on the sushi belts. Wouldn't have been the same without it. ❤
@supernenechi8 ай бұрын
Already, "through the magic of making two of them" that reference killed me. Absolutely amazing!
@pennyjim56718 ай бұрын
Your snap-to-grid skills abhor me. You had at least one blueprint that followed the grid, all you needed to do was copy the snap size and global offset to make more that snapped on the same grid! All you needed to do was fiddle with the local offset, but looking at your snapped blueprint, you don't even know how to do that! Edit: I still subscribed
@theworkshopwhisperer.59028 ай бұрын
Now this is a true work of art. Somehow this is more beautiful and amazing than train supplied mega bases. I would love to see you make another base but this time with practical sushi.
@robotduck2124 ай бұрын
the way he explained how the circuits worked was really amazing, really helped me understand how they work, even if i still barely get them
@zetamathdoespuzzles8 ай бұрын
Truly fantastic, can't wait to see what you think of next!
@michaelbuckers8 ай бұрын
You could add a constant combinator to the cell's blueprint that adds 1 of some signal (e.g. red) to the network, this keeps tally of the number of cells you have built. Then you can add constant combinators that set the amount of items there should be on the belts per cell (i.e. available to each cell at any time, on average) and multiply by number of cells to get the number of items total to put on the sushi belt. Each red belt cell belt loop holds approximately 1400 loose items, so you could use that to gauge available physical space on the belt when adjusting the number of items per cell.
@Buugipopuu8 ай бұрын
Somehow, this base reminds me of some of the animated writhing flesh textures from Doom.
@sanderbos42438 ай бұрын
This is insanity, thanks for suffering through it for so ridiculously long
@joesmamaofficial8 ай бұрын
ITS FINALLY HERE. Hooray!
@Robbbbb10116 ай бұрын
Good god, I've never seen anything like this. Hats off to you sir for sticking with it for so long, you've more than earnt yourself a new sub haha
@arbitervildred89998 ай бұрын
I think inserter speed and capacity it's also a priority, to help inserters not miss on items while they rotate
@teddy42718 ай бұрын
You can theoretically sort of get around the item count inaccuracy issues by abstracting away the item counts into an "items per minute" rolling average and using that to manage the belt contents. This has the benefit of scaling inputs automatically with consumption so you don't really have to fiddle with constants, and since it runs on averages instead of hard counts, it'll eventually just heal itself after a brownout, though it might take a while.
@spaceguy52348 ай бұрын
Hell yeah. Glad you were able to get it out!
@bradywood58988 ай бұрын
Felt the need to subscribe because every time he said "opps" while depositing coal into his power system, made me smile... Good shit!
@Arbeta100008 ай бұрын
Not putting all the liquid resources on the belts with barrels and unloading them on site where they're needed feels a bit like cheating, goes against the spirit of things But then again.. I'm kinda glad you didn't EDIT: Nevermind, I hadn't gotten past the first initial base, you really did do it EDIT2: And it was awful, thank you for that (it was great)
@basic90118 ай бұрын
I've been subscriber since 4k subs ,so glad that its been growing since then, keep the grind man
@clickthecreeper94638 ай бұрын
oh man, the new logistics groups would have really been helpful for this playthrough. And actually I heard there is a mod that does this already in the base game.
@Hexagonaldonut8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I saw it brought up in the reddit thread for that particular FFF. From what was said, though, it's very janky.
@jacobbarnett995613 күн бұрын
I Just started playing factorio blind today and i was trying unconsciously to sushi belt everything. I thought, "Why let the coal back up when i can circulate it around all the things that need it." Anywho words cannot express hiw much i love this
@christophertesta80978 ай бұрын
Yes. An hour. I cannot wait. Edit: I AM NOW DEAD FROM THE INTERSTELLAR EDIT
@DanielLamando8 ай бұрын
The mad man he really did it
@chaos83648 ай бұрын
i've been eagerly awaiting this one for a while now
@Wolf-NyanАй бұрын
I’m… horrified, disgusted even, and yet I can’t look away, the sushi is too mesmerizing.
@Kumquat_Lord8 ай бұрын
This was worth the wait!
@michaelcarter31498 ай бұрын
Holy shit bro! I definitely understand why this one took so long. Glad you got it done though. Definitely worth the wait. Quite the monstrosity you created lol.
@zebrin8 ай бұрын
The fact that the sushi is all moving in different directions is oddly hypnotizing...
@maltardraco95558 ай бұрын
Broke: Spaghetti. Woke: Sushi.
@waralo1917 ай бұрын
One option for accurate counts would be to have a dedicated power supply for the counting combinator. Also, i can totally see this kind of setup with filtered stack inserters, for making modules. The imbalance is pretty much due to diffusion and localized production/consumption. Higher item count would be needed to counteract, or more spread out production of various things. Basically not having basic production on one side, and advanced production on the other.
@aidan94117 ай бұрын
I love the freshly served pixel soup from the KZbin compression. I admire your dedication
@Jortpower2009-ev8io8 ай бұрын
what you couldve done was desing a vacuum cell you can activate with a combinator or something that will slowly remove all items from the belts then when you give the signal they will release the items while counting them to get a accurate count once more
@lemeow81028 ай бұрын
should have put the liquids in barrels on the sushi belt 🙂
@lemeow81028 ай бұрын
nvm omg
@lemeow81028 ай бұрын
this is beautiful
@jjones50328 күн бұрын
I couldn't imagine the amount of pain you went through making this video. We demand more pain.
@fangere8 ай бұрын
It's unbelievable how high quality your videos are
@noxabellus8 ай бұрын
watching the sushi flow absolutely peaked my anxiety, truly an eldritch video doc
@tomoldy1608 ай бұрын
this video had no right to make me laugh as much as I did! Great stuff :)
@DrRushGaming8 ай бұрын
this is the best organised chaos i've ever seen. Well done, Sir.
@gamecheatmaster1238 ай бұрын
If you use burner inserters specifically for fueling the boilers you wont have the issue where the power runs low and they struggle or stop refueling the boilers. If your power runs out completely, or you run out of coal, burners will automatically restart once coal is restored.
@valseedian7 ай бұрын
yo! I love it. my first base was a sushi base... kinda. was 3 huge blue loops of 4 lines carrying everything (welll... to me... then... they were huge... these days I've got bigger nuclear power modules. ) my last playthrough ended in a no-belt world where everything was moved by bots or inserters and storage. warehouse mod plus long reach fast stack inserters can move 300k items 22 tiles per tick per line.
@PotRoastTheStew8 ай бұрын
This seems like a painfully fun idea to do i might try it when I'm done with space exploration. I'm curranty 50 hours into that mod and whilst I may not be good at logistics it dosent make the game any less fun to play. good vid sushi fun and also hurt
@ColpolmenАй бұрын
this is one of the most insane things ive ever seen. incredible commitment
@tedg12788 ай бұрын
I saw a rather nice video someone did for a self adapting sushi build. That would be the smart way to go on most of it.
@kartav1k8 ай бұрын
I have 500 hours of Factorio in steam, and seeing this I wanna cry. Well, finally I can say I am not dead inside. You are
@jeffmartyn67438 ай бұрын
In hindsight, you could limit how much the items run off to dead ends in the corners by simply.... not placing them. Make the only possible output the ones that feed back into the sushi
@everupward5948 ай бұрын
This base is an affront to all that is good and holy. I'm here for it
@ElZafro_8 ай бұрын
I have like ~300h hours on the game without ever finishing it properly. Your dedication is truly admirable
@gehdenagena6698 ай бұрын
this is the extra cursed version of Dosh's sushi belt run, loved your take on it! great video
@saxplayer12168 ай бұрын
I don't know if anyone else has said this - but something I would've done differently: Don't set the "on the belt" limit directly on the output inserts. Instead, set the condition on the output inserts to "If [item] < 0". Then set up a separate, central constant combinator that outputs "-100 [item]" to set the limit on the belt for that item. That makes it easy to adjust without copy/paste. You need to work out some isolating circuitry so that the constant combinator with the limits doesn't feed back into the memory cell, but that's easy enough.
@kksharm77368 ай бұрын
you can mark walls with deconstruction plan, so there will be gap between them, and then just ctrl+z that, its a bit faster then just mine and place walls by hand
@hunterhulsey57998 ай бұрын
“Through the magic of building two of them” Was that a technology connections reference?
@what42pizza6 ай бұрын
Well, that's also what I immediately thought
@davidmadiar39286 ай бұрын
1 more lane bro, just one more lane and I'll finish Factorio, just one more lane, trust me bro
@ebinmemes2298Ай бұрын
main problem is probably that you concentrated all of your production into "blocks". the stuff your crafters were looking for would take up the bits and bobs and then it's a 50/50 whether it'd even go deeper into the grouping. Evenly distributing everything everywhere would probably have done some good. Funny idea: the human body is like a sushi belt, the heart in the center, the lungs and stomach taking things in and the rest making stuff and sending it to be gotten rid of. Could do something like that; instead of the funny city blocks, gigantic branching 64+ belt wide things entering a behemoth of a "mixer" with the resulting gigantic belts fanning out and potentially splitting from blue belts into yellows around the production loops, only to re-combine and go back to the "heart". keeping track of approximately how much is on the belt would then be pretty easy; everything has to pass through the heart sooner or later, so just measure how often you see something at the heart over time, multiply it by something fancy like the total number of belts in the system then take an average over time.
@PineappleDealer37Ай бұрын
This is how mindustry players feel when dealing with resources made of scrap.
@Silv3rDragon6 ай бұрын
I imagine one solution to the localized item shortages would be to spread the production of each item all over the base in an equally sushi manner rather than have it "organized" like with the oil all in the middle and iron/copper around the outside.
@AhmadAlkhatib-ys1yp23 күн бұрын
he definitely didnt add a chest feeding coal into the boilers early game just for the "Oops" meme and im all for it!