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@_mwk Жыл бұрын
Dosh: "I genuinely question if it's possible to make a base worse than this." DocJade: Hold my beer
@KillinTime2792 Жыл бұрын
This base is bad don't get me wrong, but dosh is making his statement in regards to the sheer inefficiency of the processing power required. In that regard this base on a per-item produced level is hypothetically the most efficient base possible. That being said in regards to the base that makes dosh question how bad bases can be, a similar concept could have been applied to this base by having the inserters subtract add and subtract what they grab from a total stored in the memory cell that can deactivate stations by comparing against a universal cell, rather than the train sending its contents to a unique cell for each station. IE: if total number of items in the wagon (which should match the contents of the cell barring errors in setting something up) exceeds a given amount for N production cycles, and the amount of items the given station of assemblers makes is below its limit, then enable the station.
@pallingtontheshrike637411 ай бұрын
his worst base was deffo the sushi one
@Volvary10 ай бұрын
I want to see Dosh and DocJade work on a base together on a stupid premise.
@shingshongshamalama10 ай бұрын
@@Volvary The most ambitious crossover of our time.
@bradhull91086 ай бұрын
@@Volvary they can only transport material via inserter
@_mwk Жыл бұрын
"Inserters must touch the train directly" So, mining directly into electric furnaces and only collecting the output would have been perfectly fine.
@acters124 Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine why he made a lot of the choices in this challenge run. Why did he not run some pipes instead of barreling everything, even water.(I am the most confused on this) he also went with the most expensive version of a chest(the car lol) after saying no to chests. Also, why were a lot of these intermediate products not directly output into the building like the mining drill to furnace you mentioned. If he was fine with inserting into and out of cars, why did he not create a car main bus line? plus he could have used thrash slots and his inventory instead of logistic chests for the robots to pull some of the weight... Very confusing challenge run
@MrMe917 Жыл бұрын
@@acters124 trash slots still require chests to work
@timothymclean11 ай бұрын
@@acters124 Re: Car main bus: I think there's a distinction to be made between "creative interpretation of the rules that makes the challenge more practical" and "creative interpretation of the rules that warps the challenge into a different, less interesting one".
@PinnysVids8 ай бұрын
I think there might have been an unspoken rule: "No processing of items without having the train involved." Or something like that.
@obake62907 ай бұрын
I was thinking he should've moved the boilers to the track and made a station for them. This idea is even better.
@DocJade Жыл бұрын
After thinking about it a bit more, I could have totally finished the run without expanding the train's capacity... lol
@DontHateMeCausImSexy Жыл бұрын
SHAME ON YOUR COW
@socceroosninja Жыл бұрын
Well hindsight is 20/20
@Maric18 Жыл бұрын
just do it again :)
@Pystro Жыл бұрын
Care to explain how? I only see duplicate stacks for iron and copper plate. You could instead have thrown in more loops to iron and copper smelting at several points throughout the tape. Also, your miners could have direct inserted ores into smelters, but that seems to go against the spirit of the challenge. Then again, it's exactly what you did in the beginning. And there is one barrel type (probably crude oil) that you carry 2 stacks of. The one thing I wondered throughout the video was why you didn't build your oil processing adjacent to the oil patch and skipped barreling fluids? Or at least skipped barreling raw oil? Would those 3 things have been the changes you thought of?
@graysona1800 Жыл бұрын
Your boilers don't need to be right next to the water... You can use pipes to transfer water from the pump to the boilers at their location next to the track. Would have taken less than 5 minutes when you initially placed the boilers and engines.
@deletedgamer1115 ай бұрын
From my years spent in Factorio, I have learned that the question is not "Can you...?". The question is "Should you...?".
@sirbreadstick5664 Жыл бұрын
“Back in my day you used to have to craft steel axes. That was over 4 years ago? Geez I’m getting old” I felt that. I can’t believe I’ve been playing factorio for over 4 years
@mach2223 Жыл бұрын
bro no way it's been 4 years since you had to craft the steel axe what
@tekbox7909 Жыл бұрын
yeah a few days ago I played factorio researched the steel axe and then got some steel and was confused for a moment cause I forgot that wasn't a thing anymore
@alexsiemers789811 ай бұрын
I’ve been here since the current player sprite was brand new, I think that was around 2016
@subrezon8 ай бұрын
Wanna feel really old? Alien Science Packs were removed 6.5 years ago.
@zitronenwasser3 ай бұрын
you have successfully dealt 5d6 psychic damage to me... also almost if not already 5 years now...
@SassyPants34 Жыл бұрын
best part about this is the simple fact that with only 1 train you don't need rail signals
@eftorq5 ай бұрын
I love how this game has game mechanics that induce fear and respect
@TheBloofyx Жыл бұрын
If any of you try to try this challenge for yourself, know that you can build boilers on a coal patch and have a miner feed directly into the boiler (like in speedruns) :3
@apaksl Жыл бұрын
every time he ran out of power I was like "surely this time he'll build his power plant on a coal patch..."
@DocJade Жыл бұрын
I may or may not be stupid I was also trying to minimize pipe usage, because I felt it went against the challenge
@Mageling55 Жыл бұрын
@@DocJade Just reset for a seed with a coal patch on the coast :D
@x7rh51 Жыл бұрын
@@DocJade 15:23 there you go
@nikidino8 Жыл бұрын
I thought Dosh was a big masochist but seeing you I think I know a bigger one now. EDIT: You are a vanilla torture enjoyer while Dosh is a modded torture enjoyer lol
@cescimes Жыл бұрын
ive just started falling down the rabbit hole of insane factorio challenges and the first asylum patient ive met was Dosh! love his vids lol
@lordhuntington5704 Жыл бұрын
This is dosh's beltless Factorio video on Crack
@JordanMetroidManiac Жыл бұрын
But… Michael Hendriks
@nikidino8 Жыл бұрын
@@JordanMetroidManiac Micheal Hendriks is special, instead of a masochist I think of him more as a challenger showing things that are beyond most people's reach because of the amount of skill required.
@acters124 Жыл бұрын
@@nikidino8 a lot of hendriks challlenges are based around biters and those type of challenges dont give me the dopamine rush like these self inflicted torture videos do.
@shinnyii Жыл бұрын
Lol that “science a minute of… maybe” was the funniest part of the video. Earned a sub
@user-xb8ts3rc9g Жыл бұрын
Can't believe I'm spending my weekend looking forward to a factorio challenge video...
@DocJade Жыл бұрын
No you haven't Liar
@krzysztofnowak676 Жыл бұрын
I feel you man, but not the weekend part, factorio is a style of life
@DontHateMeCausImSexy Жыл бұрын
my name if fejj
@blubobo99 Жыл бұрын
You can move a train remotely : pick a train from the map and ctrl click somewhere on the rails it has access to. It will make a temporary stop there. Actually might be a mod though, cant confirm now
@DocJade Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's a vanilla feature, I use it a ton in my green circuit series!
@digistruct0r245 Жыл бұрын
I did enjoy the 'refueling boilers' subplot, can't wait for season 2 to see it evolve even further
@alexanderwales7870 Жыл бұрын
Huh, there are a lot of things that I would have done differently there, but I know you were AFK for a lot of that. One of the big things would be finding coal close enough to water so that the boilers could just be direct inserted into, or so you could run longer pipes from the pumps. Another would be to make things "directly" more often, e.g. miners insert into furnaces that feed directly into assemblers. IIRC this allows higher buffering, but maybe you already get that from inserting directly to/from the train. Certain things like yellow belt are made entirely with iron, so you could just load that directly rather than bringing ore and coal to a smelter, bringing plate to a gear maker, bringing gears to a belt-maker, etc. All in all, an incredibly tedious run toward the end, and I quite enjoyed watching the timer take huge leaps into the future as it required more and more waiting around.
@SeanTBarrett Жыл бұрын
Miners directly into furnaces makes sense, but furnaces can't feed directly into assemblers without inserters, which would be breaking the rule that inserters must interact with the cargo wagon at one end or the other.
@evangelionkenner4005 Жыл бұрын
me seeing the title: "of course you can beat it this way" clicks on the video while leaning back in my chair: "but how much will you suffer?"
@lordhuntington5704 Жыл бұрын
Quick improvement idea. You could have used one memory cell to keep track of all the items in your system. You'd just have to read the hand contents of the inserters as a push signal and multiply those that take something out of the system by -1. Then you could have disabled the stations before the train arrived, saving even more time. Also how did you like the cheese cake?
@mediocregamer605310 ай бұрын
315 hours Average runescape player: ah yes, a Tuesday
@O1O1OOO1tip11 ай бұрын
I bet the flying robot frame is called that so new players know what to expect
@user-be5rk2hy3c Жыл бұрын
Love how everyone in the Factorio community knows and references each other.
@robertbarrett10353 ай бұрын
this is because factorio is just programing and the youtube community is stack overflow
@fortyforty-seven10612 ай бұрын
17:07 Fun Windows tip: you can switch which monitor a program is on with the hotkey Win + Shift + Arrow keys
@enterusernamehere9679 Жыл бұрын
High quality, straight into it, no sponsor segments and no high sub count? You got yourself a sub in 4.328 seconds
@Andrew123Shi Жыл бұрын
babe wake up a new Dosh-esque channel just dropped But in all seriousness I'm pleasantly surprised at the quality and the amount of effort you put into your videos as a channel of your size! Definitely keep things up, excited to see your future content!
@nicodemuseam9 ай бұрын
Train conditions for each stop could eliminate the need for filtering most wagon slots and allow for more varied loads, but everything would have to be exact, up to limiting hand size on the inserters so they only place into the train what is needed. Kudos for (mostly) sticking to your guns on having as few buffers as possible, like pipes and cars. No tanks for oil cracking sounds like a killer.
@louisvdb0720 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are some of the best content I've watched in a long time! Keep the amazing work up! 💯
@VaciPlay Жыл бұрын
Love the video! Giving sub even before finishing watching it whole. The idea for a challenge: Only ore, plates and steel can go on the belt. The rest must be transported only by insertors or pipes. In the end, you will end up with many assemblers feeding each other very linearly.
@Zapdos0145 Жыл бұрын
here i go wanting more random factorio challenges
@XanderMine8 Жыл бұрын
Running a wire from an accumulator let’s you read its charge. If you wire it to a power switch connected to the steam engines, you can have the engines turn only if the accumulators are below a certain power.
@La_Verge5 күн бұрын
This video really set the tone of your channel. That was amazing. Thanks again
@Br3ttM7 ай бұрын
You can mix accumulators and coal power. Have a power switch isolate your steam engines from the rest of the base, use circuits to read an accumulator's charge, and turn the switch on when charge is low. It leads to the switch flickering since the steam charges the accumulator, shutting it of, and the accumulator discharging, turning it on, but I haven't noticed a downside other than the power graph being a mess.
@chillaah200011 ай бұрын
So you spent nearly 100 hours from first clicking onto the rocket research and launching the rocket. I can literally see the pain this video gave you
@davdass4797 Жыл бұрын
"a science per minute of .. maybe" that got a good laugh out of me man
@pineapple5923 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Love the idea for the challenge
@antlover5493 Жыл бұрын
cool, looking forward to more factorio content!!
@imblackmagic1209 Жыл бұрын
truly mad! thanks for the monumental effort
@FalcoGer7 ай бұрын
Probably would've been better to bring the oil over by pipe. The train spending time going to the oil outpost is killing everything else. It might also have been an interesting idea to store steam in a steam tank. @26:45 you can use an accumulator with wire conditions and an electric switch to disconnect steam engines until the accumulators are nearly empty. That way you can give accumulators priority over steam power.
@NormanconEVE6 ай бұрын
5:20 This man effectively just created RAM and in only that many components and was just like, "Nah. Isn't worth even giving a general idea of how it works."
@DocJade6 ай бұрын
because i totally forgot how it worked lmao
@techwizsmith7963 Жыл бұрын
If you're looking to try this again, if you're willing to use mods, I believe you can adjust the cargo wagon reserved slots automatically with the recursive blueprints mod
@ladyravendale18 ай бұрын
Having watched the video, I see one minor and one major improvement. You could keep track of the train contents like a sushi belt, which might make it easier. The big thing is actually setting up your train path good. I would make it so that the train would pick up all the needed items to produce a full set of science/rocket parts, or at least always goes with a full buffer. While this would increase some cycles, it should vastly decrease the amount of time wasted going in useless loops. Combine this with circuits to cut off entire production chains early and maybe some math to optimize your travel vs production values, and space science might be doable.
@ladyravendale18 ай бұрын
I was doing some more thinking, and I believe I found the best strat: use multiple assembler stops for the same item in a loop. Considering just the very endgame, on the longest recipes it should only be a few stack inserter swings to leave an assembler running for 30+ seconds. Instead of wasting that time waiting, put more ingredients to start more assemblers. I haven’t done a the math, but it feels like you could get a speed increase of at least 2x, and maybe even 5x or more on the later science and rocket parts.
@elitegard25 Жыл бұрын
I was just in st. George this weekend for a shooting competition! Small world! Also great content man! Keep it up!
@beefy___6 ай бұрын
"Why Did I write butter? Am I okay?" - DocJade 2023
@KaneyoriHK11 ай бұрын
I now want to pull a snowpiercer and have one long train, which would definitely not be a huge pain.
@shaunduggan8605Ай бұрын
That smooth jump into the train 12 minutes in!!
@cienkopis3973 Жыл бұрын
the thing you said about """flying""" robot frames irritates me greatly and my life will never be the same
@blastedt6 ай бұрын
this would probably be pretty okay if you attached like 50 cargo wagons with the same filters so that each stop would get more chances to produce
@magarinemarmeladen647 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know but I think, that if you do something like this you should have an extremely complex logic system, were you try to balance the production in such a way, that first iron is made for gears which are filed in to an Assembler which needs them and then turned in to further needed materials. Then Copper is made and so on. This way you would slowly cascade up words tile you make all the needed since. So you would try to make a system in which every assembler only ever needs one thing at a time after a startup period and that in the best case scenario at one moment only one thing is needed in the hole factory to continue the since production. The circuit conditions for this system would bee extremely complex but the train would only move the really needed things in nearly exactly the needed amount.
@syriuszb8611 Жыл бұрын
I think it would be a lot faster to NOT set the filters in wagon and manage it on the station side. Also, speed control mod would help you with idling time. I don't think anyone would mind that.
@metasystem86255 ай бұрын
"There’s this emperor, and he asks the shepherd’s boy: 'How many science per minute?' And the shepherd’s boy says, ‘There’s this mountain of pure diamond. It takes an hour to climb it and an hour to go around it, and every hundred years a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. And when the entire mountain is chiseled away, the first science pack will have been assembled.’ You may think that’s a hell of a long time. Personally, I think that’s a hell of a bird."
@tez6137 ай бұрын
Being a fan from utah. Hearing that you live in the same state made me unreasonably happily
@gawain09 ай бұрын
Fun fact about the rocket: while it takes power to craft the rocket parts from LDS, RCU, and rocket fuel, the actual launching of the rocket itself does not take power. So the moment that last rocket part is crafted, if you lose all power, the rocket can still be launched. Therefore, the recipe to craft 1000 space science from 1 satellite is one of only two recipes that is done within a machine that does not take any power (the other is 'crafting' water via an offshore pump). (also the other rocket launch recipes, like space science to fish also count, so I should really generalize to saying 'rocket launch recipes do not take power').
@ARiverSystem2 ай бұрын
4 minutes in and this is already so cursed. Knowing you, this is gonna be quite glorious towards the end.
@hungyG Жыл бұрын
Very cool challenge. For the sequel, I would really like to see this again but with the Cybersyn mod for controlling the train. That would allow the train to use the entire capacity for every delivery run, would allow for prioritizing stations, and even doing round-robin between stations that are of the same priority. This would shift the challenge from trying to work around the train scheduling limitations, and more to building an efficient factory with this throughput limitation. I reckon this could function pretty well!
@hungyG Жыл бұрын
Also using chests wouldn't add anything to the throughput. The only thing banning them causes is pain.
@DocJade Жыл бұрын
DUUUUDEEE!!! MIDITORIO!!! i used that a ton a long time ago! Thanks for stopping by And yes banning chests was purely for pain.
@hungyG Жыл бұрын
@@DocJade Glad you liked Miditorio!
@Salted_Fysh3 ай бұрын
I can't say it's the case but naming the robots "flying robots" could just be an intuitive game design choice. That way you have an idea of what they are before you use them so it's something you can aim towards on the tech tree. It's not a very big thing but small choices like that can accumulate to influence how easy it is for players to get into a game/feel more secure while playing it. It's kinda like how most good games involving puzzles tend to tease a mechanic in a very easy and intuitive way to understand before having you use it yourself to solve a puzzle.
@williammoore35455 ай бұрын
I think it would be interesting to do this run but with 2 changes: Remove the insertion limit on smelters/assemblers so that inserters will fill their inputs rather than just load enough for a couple batches Add recursive blueprints so you can automatically change the filters on the cargo wagon at different stations. I bet it'd be possible to get at least like, 1 or 2 spm all but space with those 2 changes and a good setup..
@septillion.11 ай бұрын
I never used trains and beat the game in factorio twice. I only learned that trains were useful halfway through my SE playthrough.
@Nathr Жыл бұрын
Here's my comment to appease the YT algorithm. :) But in all seriousness, that's some serious patience you've got, my friend! Kudos to you! Looking forward to your work in the future!
@CyhAnide9 ай бұрын
This was certainly an exercise in suffering. You somehow turned Factorio into a cursed idle game. I would console you, but that would be disingenuous, considering how hard I laughed throughout this experience. But I do hope that cheesecake brought you a modicum of comfort in your time of need.
@charlieseese5796 Жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@user-pm8je4fo7e9 ай бұрын
I always use one wagon (and also bidirectional railroads). Never thought it coulbe be considered a challenge.
@ravenbathory947111 ай бұрын
Even with a single train, I'm surprised you lasted 43hrs without being run over. My anxiety as you're building and standing on the tracks 😂😂
@flalspspsl6858 Жыл бұрын
pretty good video, it reminds me a lot like dosh style videos. nice!
@mausanj8395 Жыл бұрын
Next in insane challenges. Can you beat factorio with only one assembler?
@DocJade Жыл бұрын
It's on the Todo list already!
@Xqpie Жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5Xdgpqba9WYaNE this schould be the closest to that and only 13x9 ;)
@rogo7330 Жыл бұрын
Still faster than me trying to optimize some spaghetti of mine for 2+ hours that will be demolished 30 minutes later.
@shartdiffractor2582 Жыл бұрын
You could've done smelting on site with electric furnaces. You could've also make the train mixed use, so it could hold only type of recipe at a time.
@archniki_ Жыл бұрын
It would be fun to see something with more wagons. I just like idea of moving trains instead of belts I saw video where wagons was used as bulk buffer and immobile. but your design looks much more fun
@JTCF Жыл бұрын
So it's a big sushi base but train? I'll take two!
@GameCyborgCh2 ай бұрын
the craziest part about this video is that you never had cheese cake before it
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis971410 ай бұрын
Yea I remember factorio from the day of allien science and needing to craft steel axes.
@aerbon8 ай бұрын
i feel like one train with no cargo wagon limit would be more interesting
@ieatdirtwasntavailable Жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone beat factorio slower than me, I have 80 hours in my playthrough, a very large base, 5 spidertrons, and no rocket
@1Poiuytgfdsa110 ай бұрын
13:40 put a smile on my face lol you're amazing
@alexsiemers789816 күн бұрын
This feels like Ultracube but with a train instead of the cube
@tedg1278 Жыл бұрын
You note that wires are free when you blue print them, and that is the whole reason the Wire Cutter mod makes them free all the time. I consider it one of the best mods to get.
@ysegrim9824 Жыл бұрын
DocJade, could you not have setup oil car based or generally use cars to drive your stuff around in parallel to the trainwork or use pipes as storage for advanced oil processing?
@okboomerbutitsacat80507 ай бұрын
I read the title and I was like "of course its possible, I beat the game without using trains because I didn't feel like learning how they work" but he's also not using belts? insanity.
@aughlnal7333 Жыл бұрын
why not use the train to load coal into the boilers?
@Georgefeasible Жыл бұрын
This is just nuts
@teamruddy61111 ай бұрын
Next time you can make the train move, plus use inserters to move items between the machines and THE CARGO WAGON but no chests and no belts. Pipes aren't allowed, but you also get a FLUID WAGON
@venasii978611 ай бұрын
They are FLYING ROBOT FRAMES because they are the FRAMES for ROBOTS that FLY :)
@Alexander_Sannikov Жыл бұрын
> water barrel production haha, in space exploration you barrel _everything_ that can be barreled until midgame to send it into space.
@bouncer6ix Жыл бұрын
super cool! good job!
@gsuberland8 ай бұрын
"I'm not an electrical engineer" I get that reference :D
@goosecubes Жыл бұрын
Just one cargo wagon? How about 0 trains? I don't think I've ever made one
@JTCF Жыл бұрын
I remember teh days before fluid wagons were a thing, you had to just put barrels of oil into the wagon.
@_mwk Жыл бұрын
It's like sushi, but oh so much worse.
@Vekkizunt7 ай бұрын
"then start researching purple science, or as i like to call it, purple science" is somehow one of the greatest jokes I have ever heard
@DeannaEarley6 ай бұрын
A non flying robot frame? that's an exoskeleton!
@louisbeaumesnil8133 Жыл бұрын
you man, are insane. I would have use a mod to get loader, allowing me to put a 100 items inside the assemblers
@Siriathion Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I have not watched the video beyond the 1 minute mark, but I just want to say, that it's precious you think that 10%(!) of wagon capacity will be the thing that saves your sanity in this torture device of a playthrough.
@DocJade Жыл бұрын
It definitely made things slightly less complicated in the yellow science phase!
@TheDigeridoodle Жыл бұрын
how about building steam boilers directly at a coal patch so you dont have to manually refuel them? also i think you could do oil cracking, plastic, sulphur and robot frames directly at the oil patch so you dont need any space for barrels
@Royalleague4511 ай бұрын
I’ve got an idea, factorio but the stack size for EVRYTHING is ONE.
@PugganBacklund11 ай бұрын
about the none-flying robots, they are named inserters
@Messier1071 Жыл бұрын
dosh would be proud
@Schloober11 ай бұрын
And the no-belt prize goes to - DocJade!
@nati0598 Жыл бұрын
Instead of hauling oil to make plastic, you can haul coal to the pumps.
@alexadamsky Жыл бұрын
This is unreal. Nice meme
@PeterZaitcev Жыл бұрын
Question 1: why not have miners mine directly into furnaces, then pick up coal from train and place smelted metal into it? Question 2: Why haven't you made a train stop for boilers?
@drewadamson8638 Жыл бұрын
1. So miners on coal directly into boilers was a no-no? 2. Ya but will you do it with no belts, chests of any kind, cargo wagons, or bots at all. All items have to be moved either by hand or inserters, including from in front of miners?
@MiraPacku7 ай бұрын
20:08 I understood "3 ish Showers later" lol
@FairyRat5 ай бұрын
Did you enjoy that cheesecake though? Anyway, great video! The suffering really comes through!
@internettevarolanadam7 ай бұрын
Fun fact: the word 'futile" comes from futilis which means *leaky*