Can You Convert Standard Irons to SINGLE LENGTH?

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

I converted my 7 iron into a single length iron. It was surprisingly easy.

[@jbabcock]

🤣🤣

[@rufussthoo4083]

😂

[@oatechaosincycles]

You dork! 😂

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

@oatechaosincycles 😬

[@rustystokes1404]

Should I give you credit for making a joke?

[@Wegl79]

I am a high handicapper, and I switched to AW - 6I Pinhawks SL Iron about 6 months ago. Initially, I did not like them at all, but now they're all I play. Changes I made were to ditch the AW and incorporate the 5I. I play LW, SW & AW all at the same length, and the PW through 5I at 37" shaft length. The 6I & 5I Pinhawk SL's do fly a bit lower than traditional length irons, but I can live with that. My directional control is so much better than before, but it has not yet reflected lower scores. My main issues are length off the tee & putting. Fortunately, SL irons have been a very positive addition to my game.

[@samuelscreech]

Nice. I've been trying to find solid info on this for a few months

[@grahamgregg3006]

The Cobra one length have different length hozels in the shorter clubs. They also have different weight shafts and the grooves also are different to promote more or less spin and hence affect distance.

[@krusher74]

This is the second video i have seen on this in two days, I have no idea what this is a subject people are making videos about.

[@electricalstuff259]

Grooves have minimal effect on spin, face contact is what imparts most spin on a ball. Grooves are to channel debris and water.

[@larryyoung9106]

When I was younger I played a set of irons I built that the 4,5,6 were 5i length, the 7,8,9 were 8i length and the pw, gw, sw, were gw length. X100 shafts, taper tip 5, 8, gw. The lies were adjusted and gapped for yardage. Worked well.

[@krusher74]

you would have all been different swing weights.

[@larryyoung9106]

@@krusher74 seven grams apart, lighter and heavier, but more bearable than single length.

[@tacticaltruth8118]

Thank you. Given the current buzz around single length shafts, this video provides some important inputs. Question 1: How does Avoda do the single length clubs? What is different from what you have done here? Question 2: Can you just grip up and down on current clubs to make them approximately one length, or will you get the same weight and lie angle issues?

[@spennce]

Before one length became more common this was something to consider but with so many one length clubs on the market new and used not sure why anyone would try this today. Could just find a used set and customize to your liking. Always love your content!

[@donsmnc5319]

Right on, I have two sets of the single length irons they are easy to find

[@EFGMC]

I agree but I still get this question often.

[@saxaphoneplayr]

A used set is still like 400$, quite a bit to just test something out imo.

[@donsmnc5319]

@ I can sell you one of the sets I have for half that price

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

Great video. I thought about making my set traditional lengths PW to 7 iron, then one length 6,5,4 irons with some added head weight.

[@danielwardman2399]

I've thought about doing this, I'm a short guy, I hit my irons well until I get past my 6 iron, would love to play from 7 iron up all the same length.

[@swingping]

This should be relatively easy since you're adding weight...forged would probably be better since you'll have to adjust the lies to match the 7 iron...it's hard to convert 8 on down because you need to take weight away

[@herculesperseus6326]

I think it would an interesting test to try a combo length set like Avoda Irons where 8-LW is same length (in their case 36") and then a half inch shorter than standard 4-7 irons. Thanks for the great content!

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

@@herculesperseus6326 Pinhawk has a set like that.

[@colesummerhaysdrums5457]

I have built a set of avoda’s for a guy like that, where it’s one length 6-LW and 5 and 4 are combo length then normal length woods obviously. He seems to like em, but I don’t know how much that means 🤷

[@herculesperseus6326]

@@colesummerhaysdrums5457 from what I've read, avoda made their wedges head extremely light to accommodate the problems covered in the video, prompting the player to swing harder for more spin, instead of the traditional weighting approach, have you tried out the set to confirm/deny this claim? Thank you

[@colesummerhaysdrums5457]

@@herculesperseus6326 all the heads are roughly the same weight from 4 - LW, unlike a normal set where the wedges are heaviest and get lighter as the club gets longer. you will swing the wedges faster but that's not necessarily the intent, it's just cuz the shafts are much longer. generally for most people spin will be the same unless you're swinging full in which case it'd spin more due to the increased speed.

[@safranic]

My T100’s are 3i, 5i, 6i, 7i, then 8i-LW the same length. Best decision I made.

[@Kameronwest1991]

Been waiting on this for years

[@miltsky4518]

I used a set of maltby TS4 Steelfiber shafts made single link set of irons they are all C.9-D.0 just glad i had access to a machine shop but i learned alot put man do they hit greet

[@andrewb1064]

This is why some people have had success with Edel SMS and SMS Pro one length conversions, controlling that total head weight! My swing speed prohibits use of anything above 6 iron at single length (around 76-80 mph 7 iron and 95 Driver), but I do think 5-7 or 8 iron at 6 iron length and 8 or 9 to SW at 8 or 9 may be a nice combo. I currently bag Cobra 2022 Forged Tec One 6-A and Snakebite One SW and LW at stock 37.25". My 6 iron is by far my most inconsistent club but my wedge game has never been better and would also say 9 and 8 confidence are also higher. To each their own!

[@sammurray4204]

fantastic video.. the world of single length can be so confusing. i think EDEL did it best up until now with the SLS and the Single length specific graphite Padersen shaft. While every club was the same length the property anf profile and kick point of the shafts would vary to assist with appropriate launch. i built a set od Stirling (wishon ) singles and i built them with Accra ICWT shafts in them i tipped them differently for long and then the Short irons, they have been Great. IMO better than anything COBRA has delivered in the 1 length world. CHEERS

[@awesoman09]

Great vid! I've been thinking of converting all my long irons into the same length as my 7i.

[@keithp5568]

Thanks for the video AJ. That was educational. It sounds like if someone wanted some same length clubs, you’d have to find a manufacturer who accounted for it in the design of the head? Thanks again!

[@brandonowens888]

Always enjoy tests like this! Thanks for sharing.

[@wmlbrn]

I have gone with 3 lengths on my irons and it has worked well for me. My "Long" irons 3-6 are all the 3 iron length. 7-9 are 7 length. And my wedges are all the same as well.

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

@@wmlbrn are you really tall?

[@wmlbrn]

I am 6’5” so this was the solution we came up with. Golfed around 40 rounds with them changed and we knocked off about 10 shots per round.

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

@wmlbrn That makes sense now. I'm 6'7", so my clubs are about 1.5" longer than standard. I feel that if I played dual length, I would go with most likely 9 iron and 6 iron lengths, based on 1.5" over standard.

[@wmlbrn]

All my clubs are longer than standard. About 1.5” as well.

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

@wmlbrn It doesn't make sense to me at all, then, but if it works for you, then that's all that matters.

[@ZED-00]

Have the old edel SLS-01 irons and they are in the perfect single-length irons.

[@rikclarke4881]

It seems to me that the slower the swing speed, one length iron yardage would really bunch together. Is this correct?

[@zazhou]

Yes, that would be the case.

[@jeremiahbooth3603]

No you still varying distances the at about 85mph iron swing I see about 10 yards between the different irons

[@jimhuangmusic]

Can you try a driver shaft in a wedges please how high would the ball go? maybe 200 Yards in the air!!

[@stephenrose4582]

Great YT video. At the end of the day, how is the distance gaping after all of the changes? Will you then have to adjust the lofts to get the correct gaping?

[@EFGMC]

Yes, you will need to do some bending if you are converting a traditional set. I need to test an OEM 1 length set but I am guessing the gapping will again need some tweaking.

[@thecringegolfer]

I have a set of Mazel single length irons, 4-sw. They are a reasonably priced brand and are very forgiving. The lower lofted irons 4-6 or chunkier, probably to add weight, than 7-9 and all of them are about 400g with a 63° lie. What I noticed most playing them is, having one setup is great but I lost some distance on the 6-4 irons. Also the wedges just feels a bit odd at 7i length, so I took those out and play my regular length pw-58° in the set.

[@pedroc6823]

Sub70 now makes SL irons please test them snd see the results. Wedges I keep stock length.

[@andreashofmann8620]

Great info. Thx for these insides...

[@akessler2009]

Great video! I have a question about swing weight. I have a set of irons set to half an inch long with midsize tour velvet grips. The swing weight ends up being D6/7. Is that too high and should I make any corresponding adjustments like counter balancing or drilling out hosel?

[@davidgent188]

Very informative…. Thanks AJ!

[@krod2162]

I have A. Question I have a extra set of irons I was thinking of doing the one size deal but I'm 6 foot tall and I like the size of the 4 iron. I hit that one good, so I was thinking about making the whole set the size of 4 irons so i might have to add extension pieces in them will this work at all or have the same problems with Weight And lie angles and such

[@damarapoledna3636]

I have trouble hitting the longer irons. So, I recently cut the 4, 5 and 6 to the 7 iron length. Still not sure if this was a good idea🤔

[@dezzed20]

Shaft changing, head weighting loads of ways to change a regular set into a single length set weighted at D2/D3 if indeed you like it at those weights. Some people like to have the head slightly heavier so that they can feel it. Biomatching, counter weighting loads of ways to do it. Like the way he’s explained how the differences occur though.

[@rufussthoo4083]

Not to forget the loft adjustments necessary to get the gapping back to something useful.

[@GodandBrooksFallsbears]

Thanks for answering the question

[@NivekS-1224]

Does anyone have any links or ideas on what type of player profile would benefit the most from single length irons? Just curious.

[@mr2fyre]

My fit is 1.5” over. For my most recent set of irons I went 1.5 over on the 8-pw and 1 over on the 7-5. That men’s I have a one length pin the 7 and 8 irons. I have been debating about getting the 6 and 5 irons set at the 7 and 8 iron lengths. I don’t swing the long irons well where as I have a lot more success with the 5 wood. I have the 7 wood I could swap with the 5 iron but that will only work on calm days. Do you think it’s a good idea to go one length on 8-5?

[@EFGMC]

The 5 will be the biggest ?, depends if you have the speed to launch it high enough at either length.

[@domeskeetz]

Can you review the avoda one lengths>?

[@joeb5958]

10:25 you would think lie angle would be the same but cobra doesn’t always adhere to this concept with their single length options. I always thought it didn’t make sense but they claim it helped with dispersion.

[@EFGMC]

Yeah, I don't get that other than them trying to fight off slicing the longer clubs??

[@My-2-Cents]

People are wondering if anyone actually does this conversion? Yes, I have sort of done it twice and according to this video, I have ruined both sets. My first experiment was with a set of King Cobra F7 when I changed from steel to light graphite shafts and made them all an inch longer. For my second experiment, I had always heard how forged heads feel so buttery, and another KZbin instructor said instead of getting game-improvement irons, get a set of blades and learn to improve your game. So I got a set of early 90's Mizuno Super 11s off ebay from Japan. They had the original graphite shafts at H8, which I have never been able to find out if this is stiff or senior, most sets are H7. This is probably another big no-no, but I used shaft extensions to make them all 5 iron length. I saved the original Danny Edwards grips, which I kind of liked. I like the way they feel with the heavy PW, but overall they all go about one club shorter, but I attribute this to all the clubs having about 4 degrees more loft. For the courses I play there are no flat lies, so I didn't worry about lie angle. I live just down the road from AJ, so maybe at some point I'll have him overhaul my mess.

[@jessehudson3377]

I think the better option would be to leave all your clubs that are below seven iron standard length and play them in standard but then make your 65 and four iron either six iron length or seven iron length to make the longer shots easier but still have the same normal consistency, and control you have with the short ironsI’ve always wanted to try a set like that.

[@stephenkaake7016]

I don't use irons, hybrid 5-PW, below that 7 wood, its basically a magic club

[@3rutu5]

i bought some Mizuno Sure DD Fairway woods (3w/5w/7w) from Japan and they do this with the marketing speech to make your 3 and 5 wood being able to hit like your 7w. I know they do this with their Mid Irons and "shooting irons" which is 8, 9 and PW. so having a full set of these Sure clubs you would have 3 different shaft lengths. I dont know wha they do with the wedges.

[@ZuMi_rcf]

Is there a difference in distance and dispersion by doing one length?

[@EFGMC]

I think you will need to play around with the lofts to dial it in with any 1 length setup.

[@niteninja0133]

Ooo seen the cobra 3d printed irons, those are sweet looking. How does cobra do it the one length

[@EFGMC]

They all have the same head weight but they actually have a very unique lie angle progression. Not really sure why they do it the way the do.

[@Qqqqqqqqqaaaaaaa]

@@EFGMC not me Witherspoon. Would be great of you could test a set

[@TheSpeed777777]

Hi AJ. Hope you are well and hope you are willing to assist. I bought a 5 wood head, titleist ts2. I have a few driver shafts lying around and was hoping you could give me some advice on using them in the 5 wood. I play a sim2 driver with a 49g air speeder stiff shaft at 45.75 inchs, a titleist ts2 3 wood with a ventus 5 R shaft at 43 inches. The 5 wood would come out at 42 inches. The shafts I have are the following. An air speeder 49g stiff, an air speeder 45g reg and a fubuki mv series 45g reg. Which in your opinion would be the best to use and where would I cut? Some from tip and butt or just butt? I really like the feel of how the 3 wood plays with the ventus in it. Your help would be most appreciated should you want to give it. Best Regards Shaun.

[@EFGMC]

I’d use the heaviest one, cut 1/2 inch from the tip and butt cut to length.

[@TheSpeed777777]

@EFGMC Thank you AJ. Really appreciate it!

[@IIISWILIII]

You really need a fitter that knows what they're doing if you're going to try single length irons. I tried some off the rack cobras and didn't have a very good results. The gapping at the top end was horrible. My 5 and 6 iron went basically the same distances

[@R_Nottelling]

So all of Cobras single length are all the same swing weight according to the specs on the website. Wondering your thoughts about that? As far as the lie angles, the change a half a degree from each club in progression but that’s exactly the same as traditional clubs.

[@EFGMC]

Right, because they manufacturer specific heads for the 1 length set so they all have the same weight. The lie angle actually does change with Cobra but goes in the opposite direction of a traditional set. Still trying to figure out why they do that??

[@m0narx13]

Why did you chose to use a single shaft? Cobra, and I believe Avoda, have variable flex shafts/weight based on club #

[@EFGMC]

This is a completely different subject from single length irons from brands like Cobra, Sub 70, or Avoda. They build those clubs and have heads specifically made to achieve the desired "same feel". This topic comes from all the questions I get about taking existing traditional irons and converting them and how people usually choose to do that.

[@Handletaken4]

It's a microcosm of life. In bicycling everyone wants a lighter wheel for climbing. However they lose the angular momentum which keeps the bike going straight (crash) and when the power to pedal changes the bike slows immediately (crash from guy behind you clipping your wheel) and in a sharp turn when your pedal might hit the ground you slow way down. A heavier wheel like in 1990 allowed guys to ride no hands, finish seasons, not wear crash hats. Anything you change results in often unforeseen effects. This is why I play a 38-degree 7 iron because my gaps are 12 yds not 17 and I can easily hit my 29 deg 4i

[@clifflocklear2846]

What if you already have one length irons, but want to reshaft them? Could you just buy shafts, but all 7 iron length? I have Cobra LTDx One length and have thought about doing this, but would probably mess them up 😂

[@EFGMC]

As others have pointed out, many of the single length sets do use a few different shafts within the set. If you struggle with the long irons, you might want a slightly softer feeling shaft in those longer clubs while keeping a more stable shaft in the short irons. This will really be a personal choice based on how you swing these clubs though.

[@johnangsman7820]

I cut and lengthened a set of old cobras then center weighted the heads of the 6, 5, and 4 iron to match the 7i. playable forsure. 5his llead me. To invest in an actual set of single length. That being said 15 - 20 yrs ago, golf engineering co made Simpletonssetwhich was a 2 lenght setgap to 7 one length of the 7i and the6,5,4i were same as5i. I prefer thhe new. Single length

[@christophersiegert8343]

Would have loved to see the data before / after

[@EFGMC]

The data itself didn't show any wild differences from the limited sample size I used. However on the personal side I managed to aggravate an old shoulder injury moving between the 3 clubs with such wildly different head weights.

[@Iamwrongbut]

I really wish a brand had a combo set where 4-7 were 7 iron length, and then 8,9,P were their standard lengths since shorter is easier to hit

[@EFGMC]

That would be a much easier set to convert from standard.

[@pjwillsr]

Would you consider having the length for all irons the same as a 3-4 iron?

[@EFGMC]

No. Weight would be out of control.

[@sloswingspeed9535]

I’ve done it successfully when Mizuno had A and B weight heads. Worked out ok. Hard to do now unless you drill lots of weight out of the 8-SW heads

[@pjwillsr]

@@EFGMC ok, thanks

[@bkirkwd52]

Build to 3/8” or .4” differences in clubs

[@TheGNarNik]

What if I just want to drop my 5&4 into 6i length?

[@EFGMC]

Smaller change so not as work work to modify them.

[@jimhuangmusic]

when they gonna make Damascus forged irons?? I have them nice Damascus knives would be nice to see the patterns on golf irons

[@fratlock]

The price of those would be eye-watering!

[@SpinandThrowDiscGolf]

Did you weigh the heads? This is silly.

[@clow242]

I wish I could just do single length from my 4-7.

[@EFGMC]

That would be the easy side to do it on since you only need to add weight, not take away.

[@davidvickers2272]

instead of 1 length why not 2 ur 3 length sets? /

[@billmalec]

I'm not Bryson. I'll stick with what I have. 😉

[@babatundeososanya5769]

Best bet is to convert only irons longer than 7 to single length

[@christopheranselmo3572]

Too much work. Just go buy a one length set. I'm a fan, been playing one lengths for several years. Dropped handicap from 4 to +1. Why do us amateurs refuse to believe that you will be more consistent with one length of irons, than 8 lengths of irons???

[@krusher74]

Why didnt you tell us the actual swing weights? rather than just saying they are heavy and light, you have a swing weight scale. I dont even know why you made this video are people really trying to make one length sets at home?

[@EFGMC]

I tell you exactly the swing weight of everything. And yes I get this question all the time and people bring me sets they have done exactly this on and then can't hit them at all.

[@stephenrose4582]

We must have watched two different videos, because the one that I watched explicitly stated the swing weights during the progression.