Can you merge Night Vision and Thermal?

[@yzhou05]

I've run a WP PVS14 and MH25v1 on a bridge for 2 years now. Very similar experience to Ethan with initial difficulties (though no headaches). Now with the right settings (usually black hot, and thermal at lowest or second lowest brightness), I can get "fusion in my brain" to work well 50-75% of the time, depending on ambient light conditions, sometimes do have to close one eye or the other, or turn up/down brightness on PVS14 or thermal depending on circumstances. With rapid movement images definitely "de-sync" but still doesn't give me headaches. May have to do with fact that after eye surgery my vision is good and my dominant eye isn't super dominant compared to the other so switching back and forth isn't hard.

[@Arkayne]

We appreciate your very detailed observations! Good solid data to add to this comment string for others to analyze.

[@fltmed]

Absolutely love the dual band system I purchased from y'all and got in 2 weeks ago! Spent 4 hours Friday night using it and got 5 hogs. No headaches! Right eye NV, left eye Thermal. No problems whatsoever. Thanks for the excellent gear!

[@CaptainNato]

is your right eye dominate? Im in this bad situation where i shoot right but my right eye isn't my dominate eye.

[@fltmed]

@@CaptainNato I can shoot with both without difficulty. However, my right eye would be the dominant one I guess. I have not done much live fire while wearing these. Maybe 200 rounds and I have the NVG over my right eye while using an IR laser for targeting. I usually just use the combo for movement at night to get in position on hogs, then switch to the thermal scope on my suppressed .300 blk.

[@val-gq3mq]

Hi, i'm considering buying a mh25 to bridge it with my pvs, my question is if you Can collimate it, are you able to see and shoot with your ir laser? @fltmed

[@CaptainNato]

@@val-gq3mq I did this and its 2 different images. I ended up Buying a 2nd pvs and run the thermal when needed.

[@fltmed]

@@val-gq3mq Not sure if I'm following you. Yes, I can shoot with the IR laser mounted on your gun while using the PVS. Of course, you cannot see IR in the thermal. Typically use the IR laser with the PVS to put another round in hogs as I'm walking up to them.

[@CenTexFiringSquad]

I just completed my dual band setup a few days ago, iRay RH25 on the left eye and PVS14 on the left eye bridged with the Rayvn Group rail. I've had the PVS14 for about 8 months and initially had it on my dominant left eye but after I decided I wanted the dual band setup months ago I switched the nod to the right eye, only took a few outings for the right eye to perform the same as the left. Because of that I think it's made it easier to transition to the dual band setup, no brain fatigue through the first few outings. The biggest complaint I have is the overall weight of the helmet but it is what it is, neck is about to be swole.

[@aesthetic8780]

Both on the left eye brother?😂

[@Grunt-Barra]

I sold my standalone thermal and bought a thermal overlay for my pvs14. I can't use it during the day, but at night, it's so much better. It also allows me to keep one natural lighted eye.

[@CaptainNato]

jerry c5?

[@mrgrump2534]

You’re gonna get way better clarity and image detection range on a dedicated thermal that’s not even an argument😂

[@Grunt-Barra]

@@mrgrump2534 and your point?

[@theguess7]

Thermal on lowest brightness and tuning NV gain to slightly brighter is the sweet spot for me, otherwise whichever is brighter dominates. I sometimes get headaches but I think part of it is a poorly weighted and heavy ballistic helmet.

[@stephanarizona9094]

I ran a PVS-14 GEN3 WP & FLIR BREACH for about a year and it was ok, but then went with Dual PVS-14 GEN3 WP & Jerry CE5. I now run the FLIR BREACH on a Loaner Helmet, but plan to go to real duals, then use my PVS-14's as loaners.

[@Arkayne]

Solid plan of attack!! 👊🏽

[@aesthetic8780]

The FLIR breach is so trashy I got it for 3OO on the used market lol It's definitely not worth 1OOO+

[@mrgrump2534]

Did you have a problem collimating the images with the dual 14s? What about FOM ? I went to go buy a second 14 the other day and the dude told me that if you don’t have the FOM within like 50 of each 14 they won’t match up right clarity wise so I just figured I’ll go duel band instead with the new sidekick 640 core for 3k

[@Calvinjames44]

I’ve had a fairly easy time merging the two images so far. Having said this I’ve only had my complete dual band setup for a couple weeks. The caveat is that unlike most people I’m ambidextrous and as a child wrote with both hands. I also don’t have a wholly dominant eye although I slightly favor my right eye. The cropping feature on the flir breach as well as the rayvn group rail also help with lining up the images over one another. The lag of the thermal does create some “trails” on moving targets but anyone with experience with psychedelics knows that can be overcome mentally. And it looks pretty bitchin

[@RKoutdoors556]

if you had to pick... dual band, vs J-FB...what are you picking?

[@coltonowens2742]

I'm kinda thinking a PVS-14 on articulating side to side mount, with a rifle mounted thermal is the way. I'm brand new to this stuff though, so wtf do I know lol!

[@apisdude]

if you run a breach you get a round and a rectangle. I ran this setup for 3 years before getting a Photonis Vyper DTNVG.

[@Maximus98351]

Are you using a shoe mount for your rh25 that isn't even out yet? Because you should inform your customers before they buy that unit, how difficult it is to get the rh25 ocular lens to align with a pvs-14 without it at the moment.

[@tactical_sense]

The RH25 and PVS-14 has been my go to setup for over a year. It’s been crooked and offset on my MOD Armory bridge mounted with an AC52 the whole time and I haven’t had any issues running it like that. I understand this crooked offset situation triggers some peoples OCD but if your IPD is wide enough (60mm plus) this exact combo can work for you too. Now I have recently been experimenting with the pano bridge with two QD mounts on it. I also picked up an AC53 from IRay USA flipping the RH25 around allowing for tighter IPD adjustment. This combo is awesome because the Noisefighters QD adapters have IPD adjustment too allowing users to custom adjust the bridge and get the thermal straight when coupled with the AC53 mount. This combo still has the RH25 offset forward some which doesn’t negatively affect me. Hope this helps! It’s likely something we’ll need to do a specific video on here sometime soon!

[@InternetGravedigger]

Personally I think it should be possible, especially if someone starts experimenting with this when they're young... after all, the brain already merges two slightly different images to allow us to estimate distances and the mind is surprisingly adaptable. I found this video because I've thought about combining the two systems (plus standard video) in a camera system for years... not really something I can afford to experiment with though.

[@me2ontube]

What about ONE ! piece of equipment that does BOTH for you - who sells that

[@Arkayne]

shoot us an email at [e-mail], we have Jerry-FBs that will do exactly what you are looking for 👊

[@me2ontube]

@@Arkayne great thx - question : weapon or helmet mounted ... which is better in war not hunting

[@mugene]

for me iv had no issues merging 2 images in my head and i get no headaches might be because im a big time gamer so my eyes get used to strain all the time

[@aesthetic8780]

That's not how it works.

[@Tyborg425]

I got a comment drop!

[@Blu0tuth0ninja]

It might be worth it for some folks to go back to the gen 1/gen 2 style of single feed, multi output setup. Figure out a lense and reflector setup that overlays both images for both eyes, on a hard mount that lets you finely adjust the overlay.

[@JOHNSMITH-vd1ns]

Could you do a show showing the equipment needed for a dual-band setup? Costs/parts. I just started with a RL25 and soon want to add PVS 14 gen 3 WP, but having all the parts/estimated prices is needed so I can budget. Any help would be great. Thanks.

[@BlindSniper]

I currently have a pvs14 and mh25 bridged. I can’t run both down for long so I either flip the thermal up or close one eye. Slowly getting the hang of it.

[@Arkayne]

Keep working it and putting in time with the system, your brain will likely continue to adapt!

[@zacharymoore5555]

What’s your take on the MH25v2 with the new eyepiece, is this a natural 1x or still suffer from the 1.1x of the MH25v1? In one of your videos you said it could be backed out to 1x but the only thing I can find is using a pvs14 eyepiece to achieve this which doesn’t work with the MH25v2. Is this why you didn’t include this unit in your curated dual band list aside the Nox18 and StingIr? Is there a thermal unit you find easier to get accustomed to then the others?

[@yoinky]

I recently got the v2. In terms of keeping both eyes open, one eye with the mh25v2 and the other naked, both images seemed to align pretty well interms of magnification. Now, the images didn't "blend" so I pretty much still had to focus on one side or the other, with the obviously brighter mh25 dominating most times. But I would say the v2 is pretty damn close to a true 1 to 1

[@zacharymoore5555]

Thank you so much for your feedback.

[@remmo_2725]

Is it posible to use only mh25 on left eye and still use red dot for aim ing on the right eye? Brain should combine pictures?

[@jamesdailey2476]

Just got a new accuracy international a t 6.5cm what would be a good unit added to my night vision bridge?🤔🤔 .

[@musicman1eanda]

Can a tanto with an adjustable iris work with a bridged thermal?

[@y.e.kahunakalash]

Had experience with running a dual band system, specifically borrowing someone's PSQ-20, for an entire force on force training school. Both teams had an adequate amount of Night vision devices. My team had thermal capabilities, the fella's PSQ-20 and his dual nods with an Ecoti attachment. When it came to detect and determine where enemies were, having a dual-band system definitely pushed and allowed my side to win night time engagements. The owner of the PSQ mentioned to have the thermal feature on, but in low gain and outline mode in order to maintain night vision but be able to scan for thermal signatures. The cool thing about Night vision, is being able to see at night, that still means the end user has to scan their environment for threats. Pitch dark, a moonless night, complete cloud cover, or dense overhead foliage means youre still blind or the NVDs are working over time to intensify the image. So unless you want to give your position away to near peer threats by using IR illuminator or red lens (its still intensified under NVDs) then go ahead. The capability of thermal gives the end user to gather extra environmental info, have an extra tool/ extra edge, or be a "game changer" in dangerous scenarios.

[@Arkayne]

Preach!!!

[@user-ms3lw3gi4f]

👍

[@PelenTan]

I'm wondering if the "issue" is that you're using an analog along side a digital. The digital will always be delayed by a tiny amount. And your brain can detect that. Perhaps try two digital imagers.

[@Arkayne]

I like your thought process, your definitely on to something. Digital NV has not caught up to Analog NV in the consumer market yet. When digital NV amplifies light as good or better than analog the game will definitely change.

[@skipgue162]

@@Arkayne Yep, I keep hearing that same conversation about digital NV, but decided to do a dual system to gain a budget entry into the darkness realm. The good news? I can see in the dark and have a bino setup. The other news is always being reminded and thinking I need “Real NightVision” 🤷‍♂

[@mrgrump2534]

@@skipgue162#copium

[@InkwellFoto]

Ot is not being weak, it can be a medical reason why you cant do it.

[@InkwellFoto]

I'm right-handed with left eye dominant. My vision shuts off in my right eye

[@mrgrump2534]

You’re just weak it’s OK

[@reconraider707]

is there a reason you don't run a single tube NVG, and just mount the thermal to your gun?

[@chuckles6102]

Thermal works better for scanning quickly. Scanning with a gun shouldered is exhausting. Not to mention you have to point a live firearm at things to see them. You will see significantly more animals using thermal then NV. In my use I have been in situations that without a thermal I would have never spotted the animal.

[@danielgrubb9668]

Why do this to yourself? Use one system at a time. And why put them on your helmet? I’d rather put that weight on my shoulders or hips.

[@mrgrump2534]

Then you clearly don’t predator hunt at night because u need NV to help you maneuver or drive through the woods and thermal for animal detection when you’re finally at your spot and needing to scan, but it’s nice to be able to use both at the same time sometimes

[@MotoJB]

dafuq?

[@Spare_Mag_Mike]

This is good content. Thanks for the comments everyone. I to have issue with headaches but have not purchased my own set. Only in demo from a buddy. Looking deeper into some of the real issues with dual band. Currently run a pvs14 left eye and a rifle mounted thermal. But looking to add a mh25v2 to the right eye helmet mounted. As thermal scanning with loaded rifle is not ideal in certain situations. And very physically demanding especially if trying to be quiet. I’m also worried about the added weight. Time to hit those neck exercises in the gym!!

[@BitterDrunkKid]

Do you think using an Onyx filter will help the image discrepancy by making the PVS-14 Black/White?

[@Arkayne]

I don't think color of the NV devise has anything to do with it. I would think it has more to do with the difference in the image sizes screen shape and any latency differences that may be there from one devise to the other. - Ethan

[@BitterDrunkKid]

@@Arkayne makes perfect sense! Thank you.