Can Your Life Be Meaningful Without God? | Dave Rubin & John Lennox | SPIRITUALITY | Rubin Report

Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report participates in a conversation with Christian thinker Prof John Lennox and Justin Brierley, for Unbelievable’s The Big Conversation interview series. The interview series is designed to bring Christians and skeptics together for dialogue and debate. Dave Rubin and John Lennox discuss the big questions involving spirituality and religion, like is God dead? They both share their religious upbringing stories, growing up in a conservative Jewish household for Dave and a Christian household in Northern Ireland for John. They talk about how these experiences shaped their moral and religious views at the time, but also to this day. John shares how his father raised him with a form of Christianity that was mind opening and not mind closing. Dave reveals how he came to feel like he was part of the atheist community. He also discusses his recent changing views on God and how he no longer feels comfortable with the label of atheism after spending a year on the road with Jordan Peterson. Constantly listening to Jordan’s lectures about the role religion and God play in forming a societies ethic and moral structure caused him to rethink if he was an atheist. Dave also shares his story of the night that he thought he was going to be a witness to Jordan Peterson violating one of his 12 rules for life. Dave and John give their opinions on if it’s possible for people to find meaning in the modern world without a faith. John shares personal stories that will help anyone who wants to raise an open minded child who is welcoming of different views and perspectives. They also both give their thoughts on why Socialism continues to make a comeback with the younger generation. They discuss all this and much more.
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Understanding spirituality is difficult in today’s fast paced world. Does the world of theology still offer something to a more secular modern world? Are there lessons to learn from a more spiritual path that can help us make sense of issues like morality? Or is spirituality best left to the past according to some modern day atheists and skeptics? What does it even mean to be spiritual in an enlightened world? Hear from a wide variety of guests on the benefits, struggles, and problems with religion with this playlist:
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[@davidbell2547]

I've always loved how Dave uses the phrase 'move me' or 'move you' it's not always about changing someone's mind, but listening to people with different views and learning something from them or about yourself. You can still hold your views but update them with new information. That's a sign of a great person.

[@josiahr1375]

Learning about not only ourselves, but how our differences seem to necessitate alternate views. The more I learn about life through digging into different fields and subjects, the less judgemental I become about human affairs, with compassion taking its place. Wisdom usually comes with a steep price which experience can't be replaced with words.

[@brianwaspe8967]

Update is one thing. Compromise is another.

[@davidbell2547]

@@josiahr1375 well said. That's how we grow as people!

[@davidbell2547]

@@brianwaspe8967 totally agree!

[@jcarc5701]

@@brianwaspe8967 Oh give it up. What Dave Rubin is doing is what is called “pray for pay”. Much like “gay for pay” in the porn industry.

[@heatherduncan4945]

Dear Dave, I'm glad I found this. Millions go through this. Meaning their faith journey. We just don't watch it unfold. You started this great KZbin channel and you are open and God put people in you life. It has been fantastic to watch your journey.

[@ronaldfoster8673]

FU Heather.

[@jcarc5701]

And the grift goes on. Pray for pay. Wow.

[@ucwhatimean]

Dave Rubin seems very likable

[@blazedandconfused477]

Too bad he's so disingenuous.

[@fryingenigmas5456]

A shill with charm 😂

[@blazedandconfused477]

@J w But he ahgurees with everyone.

[@seanquigley8630]

Do we have any examples of this disingenuous behavior? Any of his shilling behavior?

[@blazedandconfused477]

​@@seanquigley8630 Politically connected billionaire child sex trafficker commits suicide while on trial? Oh let's talk spirituality. Big ideas maaaannn

[@thedoublea147]

Always great to see John Lennox, nice conversation with him and Dave.

[@ChippyPinkChannel]

Thank you for participating, Dave. Was a terrific and worthwhile conversation. 😀

[@ccreasman]

I love your spirit Dave. As a committed Christian who thinks himself a spiritual philosopher in the ilk of Lewis or an activist like Bonhoeffer (I can only wish to actually arrive at their level of thought and energy, I love your interviews. I am a College History professor who talks at length about culture and how those morph and change over time, so I keep abreast of how our Western culture is doing precisely that...a massive shift. Your approach to investigating, and more being willing to listen, to ask tough questions, and challenge your own assumptions resonates with me. Thank you for taking time to be engaged in this discussion.

[@susiboh1183]

ccreasman colleges need more professors like you. The liberals are pushing conservatives out of the educational field! God bless you and protect you! Students need to hear the other side of thinking!

[@sparrowsknow8491]

Many of the atheists in this comment thread, do a great job displaying exactly what Dave was saying. Intolerant, smug, selfish, and close minded. Even if you disagree with someone, there is no need to insult or talk down to them. It does nothing for your argument. Dave I thank you for your work over the last couple years since I discovered you. It is truly brave to stand on principles these days and ask questions without regard to how the answer might totally change the way you have looked at the world in the past. I appreciate your honesty. It has been a blessing to watch you walk through this journey. Thank you.

[@thedoublea147]

It's because of insecurity and doubt about their own beliefs on their part.

[@besame5504]

yeah remember that sparrow while you fling those 💩descriptives.

[@sparrowsknow8491]

@@besame5504 lol I know, right? I like to think I’ve grown a lot in the last 4 years , but who really knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@susfring7012]

Don't keep scrolling, trust me it's not worth it.

[@ydelysuarez2548]

I did and wished to have listened to you! It’s very sad.

[@KimberlyOfTheRoyalPriesthood]

YONDU POPPINS AMEN

[@susfring7012]

John Denver lmao that was a pic of my friend when we were fucking around in photography class, I’ll pass that on to him🤣

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

No, scroll to my comment, it is worth it

[@Anon702Native]

I'm goin in bois

[@barbararuthschatzmann8078]

What an interesting, open and inspiring conversation! Thank you for being part of this. I could listen to you for hours, Rubin! I just did. 😀

[@chelseaskipper8684]

What a fucking joke. Amen bud

[@muddypool7537]

What John said starting at about 54:00 moved me to tears. Powerful stuff.

[@obseverviewer685]

@@chelseaskipper8684 )) The religiously incorrect that bully and rebuke challenge thought are quiet uncomfortable with suggesting something different. The Brit is being Very bias. Because of a belief system that works well with them it must work with all. -Not true! In fact, The Atheist opperates with a great deal of objective truth (looking before you leap) (common sense) The brit is methodically leaving out certain talking points of Dr. Jordan Peterson. This is being deceitful towards the listening audience. 😞😞😞

[@primezulu8250]

I had never heard of John Lennox before. I am glad that I got to sit and watch this chat. I mostly disagree with most of his view and his perspective of atheists, probably because I generally more conservative leaning than many of my contemporaries. I still thought that you were both well spoken and bring forth good reasons to question the things around us. Cheers !!!

[@pjshaw8608]

John Lennox has a new fan!

[@Chupie77777]

John Lennox is amazing!! He's so gentle and kind, but profoundly meaningful in his speech. A really great example to intellectually inclined Christians. It's too easy for people (me) to get snarky in responding to atheists, and I think John Lennox is a great example of how not to be like that

[@michaelkahn8903]

@@Chupie77777 having been a true believer and loving god for ten years, studying the bible 10,000 hours, some in the original greek and Hebrew using lexicons, listening to hundreds of sermons, being a pillar in my huge church, I then finally saw the real character of the faith, saw through the shallow phoniness and the bad values promoted in the bible, and now perceive that Christians consider themselves as god- and talk about how hard it is to not be sarcastic at them and their stupid beliefs and hypocrisies- not hating them and not spitting in their faces is difficult.

[@michaelkahn8903]

@@Chupie77777 oh yes, I penned a book proving the bible's evil precepts, promotes slavery and is a ticket to hell and to subversive ways and a tool of Rome to instill a slave and submissive mentality- good work not being snarky to atheists, you dum hypocritical fuck

[@Chupie77777]

@@michaelkahn8903 I know how these youtube comment debates go, so I'm not really interested in that. I will say that there isn't any evidence to support your hypothesis that the Bible is a tool for Rome to control, and I will say that your view of Biblical slavery isn't historically accurate, seeing as how you think it's evil. You'll have to do the research yourself, if you're really interested. "I already have done the research" is obviously not true, if you feel like responding with that. Good day

[@michaelkahn8903]

@@Chupie77777 from THE UNTOLD NATURE OF CHRISTIANITY The welfare of kingdoms and whole nations rested on the obedience of the leaders to this controlling God. Listen to me, and you have victory and wealth. Could this not be a way to wield evil plans? Does it not wreak of manipulation and exploitation? Could not some teachings in the New Testament be taken as directions to make a faith of people who are following it to be good slaves, a people who obey as a result of following a prophet who they are told is god, and who it is shown to have teachings that lead towards a people who are easily controlled and oppressed? Just entertain the possibility as I make the concept more visible and unfold as you read the pages. First, let me show some scriptures that were possibly inserted to make a population manageable. POSSIBLY??!!??!!?? ➢ Rom 13:1 ISV Every person must be subject to the governing authorities, for no authority exists except by God's permission. The existing authorities have been established by God, 13:2 so that whoever resists the authorities opposes what God has established, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 13:3 For the authorities are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you like to live without being afraid of the authorities? Then do what is right, and you will receive their approval. 13:4 For they are God's servants, working for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid, for it is not without reason that they bear the sword. Indeed, they are God's servants to administer punishment to anyone who does wrong. 13:5 Therefore, it is necessary for you to be acquiescent to the authorities, not only for the sake of God's punishment, but also for the sake of your own conscience. 13:6 This is also why you pay taxes. For rulers are God's servants faithfully devoting themselves to their work. 13:7 Pay everyone whatever you owe them-taxes to whom taxes are due, tolls to whom tolls are due, fear to whom fear is due, honor to whom honor is due. There are some very suspicious characteristics here that need to be addressed. The Apostle Paul supposedly wrote this. He spent literally years incarcerated by the Romans. Yes, they did protect him from the Jews to some extent. But if his god was so powerful, why did he need the protection of unbelievers? The truth of the matter is that the ruling powers are not good, are not out for the good of people, and do indeed enforce evil laws, and don’t often enforce the good laws. Powers and rulers in this world are put in place for the sole purpose of protecting the interests of those who are really in power and who are wealthy. If the law was really so good, why was Jesus executed?

[@davidstacy9451]

Dave well done. You are truly inspiring. I have been following you for over 3 years now and you were probably the least likely person that I would have listened to but the way you engaged in conversations was so fascinating and even though I disagreed with you in almost everything I couldn't help but watch your show. You are honestly one of the most (if not the most) integrity filled and honest people I could name and you have demonstrated that so consistently over the years. It's fascinating watching your journey and truly inspiring. Keep up the awesome work and awesome interviews and questioning. I wish you all the beat this new year and I hope your influence continues to grow.

[@ronaldfoster8673]

STFU Dave Stacy.

[@christianthomassen3019]

Dave, you are a wonderfull person. I love your show. Blessings from Germany.

[@susiboh1183]

Christian Thomassen guten Tag! Viel Segen aus Amerika :)

[@christianthomassen3019]

@@susiboh1183 Is this a coincidence or do we know each other? Thanks anyway :-)

[@TheEMC99]

This is why so many of us enjoy D.R. He's not unnecessarily antagonistic. He just enjoys talking to people and so many of us share that love and curiosity about others. Thanks for letting us tag along Dave. Love Dr. Lennox as well. After a number of years I never get bored of his wisdom. God bless you guys. 💖

[@jtpattie]

Wonderful interview. Thanks Dave

[@judyvandervecht1888]

Gentleman Dave and wise and grandfatherly John. I was very moved by both testimonies.

[@kevinring4111]

This is great. 👍

[@highlevelranter8482]

Great to see Prof Lennox in such good form. Always enjoyed his contributions to the Great Debate. Kudos all round by the way.

[@zayan6284]

_"Thou hath made us for thyself, oh Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in Thee."_ St. Augustine, the City of God.

[@zankfrappawdeezil5566]

ah more quotations from a holy book..do you yourself FEEL that though ?

[@zayan6284]

@@zankfrappawdeezil5566 what? St. Augustine didn't write any scriptures...

[@zankfrappawdeezil5566]

@@zayan6284 sorry my bad, was not informed enough, did research, not a holy book, ok! was misled by the phrase, yet it is closely related to this topic is it not? Rome's sacking, Official religion of the empire,Visigoths etc..sure i dont need to lecture a scholar;-)>

[@craigsips8677]

Zayan Watchel why is my heart not restless then friend?

[@zayan6284]

@@craigsips8677 you're either an extraordinary exception, have found meaning implicitly in the divine essence, or you're lying to yourself.

[@jenniferbuckle1]

This brilliant conversation is made even more meaningful when watched for the first time in April 2021. Personally, it follows a beautiful and meaningful Easter and a special and early Awakening to this day. Thank you to wonderful people.

[@2bye258]

One of the best conversations I’ve ever listened to. Thank you. I’m listening again on podcast to make sure I’m truly hearing & processing every word

[@64kdawg]

Dave and Jordan are doing God's work. Bless these two men. 🙏👌👍❤

[@JohnSmith-mw1wg]

Such a great talk! One thing I learned from Dave and Jordan Peterson is that, like it or not, our society is so successful in part bc we all act out Christian values every single day. Our laws and customs would not exist if it weren’t for The Bible. God bless!!!!!!!!!!

[@MayaAMorella]

John Smith Judeo Christian honey Shalom !

[@johnwhalen706]

I really liked this discussion and have watched Dave Rubin's progression from the left and atheism with great anticipation. At 43:49, he is asked directly if he believed in God after all of his interactions and I was uncomfortable at the question solely because it is clear that Dave is in a growth mode and is still working out many things. I feel like the interviewer should have respected Dave's position at this moment in time and allowed him to continue in his progression and not put him on the spot where he clearly did not want to be. A person's conversion is very personal and should be respected. Dave should be applauded for his honesty and encouraged to seek more answers. Being put on the spot like that in front of an audience could be viewed as pushy which is one of the things Christians are accused of.

[@smdpenguin]

I agree. I do believe God is working on Dave's heart though. He is surrounded by some phenomenal people and I truly believe he is working things out. Trying to figure things out. That's where we should be praying for Dave. But to pointedly ask him right then and there, that can scare people. I'm hopeful that God has big plans for Dave Rubin. I really enjoy seeing his progression from the left.

[@obseverviewer685]

Dave Rubin you are awsome! Your Not afraid of losing big or falling forward. 🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔👍))

[@MichaelBeatonx]

Good thing. He certainly is often at risk of losing it...big...

[@judyvandervecht1888]

How can a person lose when he is honest, transparent and searching for truth. Its the bullies that cancel that are the loosers in every part of life.

[@WestyFilms]

Love Rubin, this is amazing. Questioning things is my life.

[@pianosenzanima1]

God bless you and your family, Mr. Rubin!!!

[@deanwcampbell]

Does blessing someone actually accomplish anything?

[@pianosenzanima1]

@@deanwcampbell i believe so!

[@pianosenzanima1]

at least it sends a positive thought. does cursing somebody accomplishes something? It depends on how much you believe it. Thats what i think.

[@chuletajones6833]

@@pianosenzanima1 you do realize that "Mr Rubin's" main point from the beginning was that people are focusing on their feelings instead of the Religious foundation that their ancestors set for them? Religious thought is nothing but people "feeling" like they have good reasons to believe the bullshit that they believe. With that said I would like for you to give me 1 empirical peice of evidence that supports your claim for a God?

[@pianosenzanima1]

@@chuletajones6833 i can not provide that for you, im sorry, but i still wish that the God in which i believe still keep blessing Mr Rubin, his husband, and all his family.

[@johnmarkharris]

Dave, you’re one of the most honest and openly vulnerable guys on the Internet. Thanks. Friedman brought me to Sowell, who brought me to Elder, who brought me to you... when you interviewed Sowell. I’d love for Peterson and Sowell to have a conversation. I think Peterson doesn’t even know who Tom Sowell is. He talked about reading Tom’s “book”... your views would be through the roof if you could arrange that meeting. Blessings.

[@ccytpb2009]

Can we have a meaningful conversation without defaulting to insults to others ? Without being belligerent?

[@TheRjmsca]

@@charley15z No, but it is possible.

[@ccytpb2009]

charley15z Indeed I do , this conversation is aimed to educated people.

[@zankfrappawdeezil5566]

we can, yet when do you percieve me to be belligerent and insulting? how do we get past that one, given that one needs to shout 'BULLSHIT' now n then about absolute disgusting and abhorrent worldviews and believes!!?

[@Varlwyll]

No

[@quidnick]

No, fuck you lol

[@BigChief_1337]

Your life can't be meaningful without God.

[@ztlabraptor211]

Joey Joestar1337 speak for yourself. If your life is that pathetic that you can’t find any meaning outside of a fictional societal construct, that’s shitty. But don’t act like it’s that way for everyone.

[@GoatOfTheMountains]

I officially can't take you seriously anymore Dave. Back when you were on TYT, you regularly stated explicitly that you were an atheist. I don't care what you believe, but coming out and stating that you only flippantly agreed that you were an atheist AFTER you started talking to people like Sam Harris, et al., is a bald faced lie.

[@ryanvanus6203]

GoatOfTheMountains it’s seems like if someone contradicts or turns from your world view, you are frustrated.

[@arydant]

@@ryanvanus6203 What self righteous bullsh*t. This has nothing to do with intolerance - I am shocked to hear Dave backpeddle on this point after being pretty firmly atheist. I think Jordan Peterson is a rambling talking head with no point. Dave is spending so much time wiith Praeger and Peterson, he is willing to deny his values to get along and he doesn't want to seem contrary to these twits. That's kind of gutless. I am dissapointed in Dave Rubin.

[@Russoxo]

@@ryanvanus6203 Goat explicitly says he doesn't care what Dave believes. Your comment is obvious misrepresentation.

[@NickR0]

Doesn’t seem fair to reject someone entirely because they changed their mind over the course of several years.

[@GoatOfTheMountains]

@@NickR0 I don't care that he changed his mind. I care that he's full of shit about what he believed in the very first place.

[@mair18]

Fascinating interview of Dave Rubin. He's on a spiritual journey.

[@auagfinder6541]

The secret to happiness. All 3 things are required: 1. Someone to Love. 2. Something to do(a job, school, or whatever keeps your days busy) 3. Something to hope for(goals)

[@shadowbanned111]

1/3, not great, not terrible

[@nontemorientalem9741]

On social media "Connectedness is NOT friendship." -Prof. John Lennox 2020

[@johans7119]

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

[@obseverviewer685]

I can wait for heaven there's going to be so many people I didn't expect to be there and so many I thought would be there will however, Not be there at all. 🇺🇸🌈🔴🔵🌏🌎🌍

[@johans7119]

obsever viewer ... "You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying - and this is the fundamental thing - that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. " - Pope Francis ... It looks like there's no escape, even if you've been a good atheist.

[@girijajoshidesai]

To study the world and the life we life, we may not need God... But to live in the world that we live in, oscillating between joys and sufferings, we definitely need God...

[@YazYaz75100]

Such a beautiful interview and I'm so in love with Dave's honesty. I'm amazed at his courage and it inspires me! Thank you Christian Radio and Dave for doing this!

[@YazYaz75100]

@Deborah Meltrozo I didn't say I trusted or believed in his views, but he is free to have them and it is courageous of him to step into an arena traditionally so opposed to him, as you obviously are. I did listen so I could better understand his views though. We don't need to be part of the world but we should understand it so we can better win those "gay atheist jews" to Christ.

[@franceseattle]

a fascinating interview, I love hearing language used with clarity and intelligence.

[@jeffteza8644]

Alexandr Solzhenitsyn “A great disaster had befallen Russia… Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”

[@Triumphant712]

I am listening to Dave's spirituality play list. Dave put together a Dave journey playlist.

[@rachelknabe9739]

I think the questions: "Can your life be meaningful without God?" and "Do we need God?" are not the appropriate questions when searching for truth. They are subjective questions when an objective question is needed.

[@chuletajones6833]

They start with the conclusion and work backwards. Its an idiotic way to reason.

[@justingrove5190]

They are not subjective they are relative. That is not the same thing. A subjective reality exists in the person themselves, whereas a relative reality exists in the connection that something has to something else. In the relation of something to another. Moreover, the plural element in the question then makes it a universal relative question. It's like asking "Do we need protein?" The answer is relative to the individual, but it implies that the answer is universally true relative to all human individuals. In that sense it is an objective question about humans and their relationship to something. It does not prove that God exists, but that doesn't make the answer that humans need there to be a God any less true. If it is true that we need a God, then if there is not one all human thought and enterprise is entirely irrational. So you can conclude that there is a God or you must conclude that the human race is incapable of really believing ultimate objective truth. Not an irrelevant consideration.

[@HM-jl8pr]

@Gabe Norman you misspelled religion

[@onetry7406]

Thank you John and Dave. This was a very interesting discussion!

[@bradwatson7324]

Without Poseidon in my life I wouldn't be able to get out of bed each day.

[@pianosenzanima1]

youre laughing but you die and are reborn every single day and you dont even know it. Who wakes you up from sleep and gives you another day, if not God? He Is the life in you.

[@pianosenzanima1]

@Emiscary1 lets agree to disagree, but i respect your belief. please do the same for me. thank you!

[@pianosenzanima1]

@Emiscary1 it's your right to not respect my belief in God (even that here we could expand for a long time by defining God and what is your image of Him, for eg. you can view Him as the most cruel cosmic dictator or the most loving Being we could ever imagine etc ), and for me that is ok.

[@susiboh1183]

Emiscary1 I don’t respect your ignorance! Who do you think gave you all those freedoms that you have just described? Non other than the judaeo- Christian people! Did you go to school that was taught by morons?

[@zankfrappawdeezil5566]

@Saint Scanderbeg sore loser in debate you are!! he was never on about believing this or that, he was on about rationale, moral convictions etc, go think a bit more before reacting like a 'pompous ass' indeed!!

[@linas8291]

So powerful to have these conversations! ❤️

[@FreshSmog]

We need religion because some people need it. The type of people who say that non-religious people are immoral because they didn't have religion to teach them morals. Obviously the people who say this are immoral at heart and need religion to keep them from going on a killing spree. Let's keep these people in churches away from the rest of us. Those who don't need religion to teach us to be decent people can live our lives however we want to.

[@forestg83]

It's a pity that a few famous atheists such as J. Stalin were let out to public. They taught us how great the morality without God looks like. ps. My friend's grand grandfather was shot dead in Starobielsk due to "sentence" signed by J. Stalin. Why? He was doctor and army reserve officer. ps2. I'm sorry for my bad english.

[@sheilagibson510]

I was attracted to your comment for the fact that when I've stated that I don't believe in religion.....invariably I get all these ppl coming at me accusing me of being an atheist! To them God IS religion. When I respond with God is God & religions are all manmade structures to subjugate, dominate & control others all hell breaks loose! They have no concept of what I'm saying. Here is a quote that I love....."Religion is for those who are afraid of going to hell, Spirituality is for those who have already been there & don't want to go back!" Peace.❤

[@ztlabraptor211]

forestg83 except that’s not morality without god in its entirety. That’s morality constructed by a power hungry sociopath. You can’t equate the actions of one man to the actions of all atheists. We could do that with ease using rose-Pierre

[@forestg83]

@@ztlabraptor211 The problem was that he was not "one sociopath". It was the whole atheistic country ruled by the atheists party, loved and applaused by millions of members. btw. It happened not only in one country. This is simply morality without God at scalę.

[@ztlabraptor211]

South Efrikan except they don’t. For starters morality is subjective. And secondly a lot of what we deem as moral in modern society literally contradicts the Bible such as gay rights. Standard western morality stems from empathy; putting yourself in someone else’s shoes to see how they’d feel. We do that cause if everyone does that it’s beneficial, and over generations it’s seeped into our brains to be our unconscious mindset

[@franks6349]

We’ve all been living without god since the beginning of humanity, because he doesn’t exist

[@gratuitousfootnote1183]

I like Rubin, but he is not much of an analyst. Not a very stimulating discussion, though I did enjoy hearing the Professor's insights.

[@officeuse9708]

Dave has gotten so much better at speaking about philosophy and politics. His vocabulary is now much more equipped for these kinds of conversations. Go him.

[@n.a.mcintosh4697]

I miss Christopher Hitchens....

[@bobobobic9330]

Peterson vs Hitchens debate. The greatest debate that never did and never will happen.

[@davidh5020]

@@bobobobic9330 Wouldn't be that great. Hitchens would destroy Peterson.

[@bobobobic9330]

@@davidh5020 Hitchens is charismatic, but his arguments lost value over time. Peterson has a whole new outlook on God, psychology and politics.

[@davidh5020]

@@bobobobic9330 Petersons outlook on god is his weakness, which is also Hitchens strength.

[@PurpleMusicProductions]

@@davidh5020 I completely agree because Hitchens would not allow Jordan to dance around and use evasion and would press him hard. This was obvious when he debated Matt Dilihunty.

[@EVZYL]

Sorry, I'm just too old to put any trust in an imaginary friend. The hardest part of being atheist is letting go of the crutch supplied by your religion, whichever one you happen to 'belong' to. But once you've fully embraced the task of taking responsibility for yourself and your own actions, a wonderful, whole new world opens up to you.

[@susiboh1183]

EVZYL so what you are saying that you are just an insignificant piece of a blur? A nothing from nothing into nothing?

[@zankfrappawdeezil5566]

lets say a hyperbolic 'AMEN' to that!!

[@smdpenguin]

I am a practicing Christian, and I would say that I take responsibility for my own actions as well. Christianity is not devoid of taking responsibility. If anything, God calls us to admit our failings and trust in Him. All have sinned. All fall short of the glory of God. I don't blame others or say "the devil made me do it" when I do things I shouldn't. And when I make good choices, it's okay to admit that I made the right decision. And we all try to depend on ourselves so much that we have left out God and what He wants to do in our lives. When I surrender my will, I see how God has plans for my life and put those desires in my life. We all have special gifts, purpose, etc that God has made for every single one of us. Whether we do it, fulfill it, etc is really up to us. That sounds like taking responsibility to me.

[@zankfrappawdeezil5566]

@@smdpenguin yes i respect that what you are saying, but do realize there are people too like myself that have not been brought up with 'organized religion', i hail from an overall secular society..guessing you are from the USA (looked at your playlist, i'm also a big D.Rubin 'fan'!)i assume you come from a religious background; born there, one is more likely than not; born in the Netherlands like i am, there is a bigger chance of growing up with no, or at least a very 'vague' concept of 'god'. see what i am trying to say is that our culture and family that we're born into for a big part determine what we believe...so i have so far not- and probably will not, chosen a particular god to believe in...and...how could i, out of the myriad of religions out there..! as i said at the least i have a vague sense of maybe some kind of universal 'power', something...yet not naming, not subscribing...do you, can you understand that? or does it make me beyond 'redemption'? no i am being serious..(p.s. i am half Moroccan and IF i was born there i most likely would have been an unquestioning muslim!) with respect again

[@smdpenguin]

@@zankfrappawdeezil5566 According to Jesus, you are never beyond redemption. Never. That's why Jesus died for every single person who has lived and ever will live. I respect what you are saying for sure. And I have athiest, non practicing Christian and non Christian friends, Jewish ,etc. I respect everyone as Jesus Christ taught us to live. I am an engineer and believe in science as well. I just believe that God made it all. And I don't believe that our faith is to be used to make excuses for bad behavior ever.. I've seen miracles and experienced the love of Jesus firsthand. It's not a fairy tale belief. I hope that explains some of where I come from.

[@LiteralHitter]

The question should be; ''Can life be lawful without the Paper God for the People of the Book?''

[@aperta7525]

You are referring to the Jews in your comment, yes? Because Christians are the People of the Person (Jesus Christ). Albeit that Protestants have more in common with the Jews in that regard with the exception being that Protestants in general can still conduct valid Baptism (the Jews do not have the Sacrament of Baptism, due to their fixation on Circumcision), while Catholics and Orthodox are more accurately regarded as People of the Person because of Apostolic Succession/Priesthood and the Eucharist, while only Catholics will ever be able to have the Fullness of that Gift (in addition to the Orthodox, connected legitimately - validly and licitly - with the Petrine Office).

[@LiteralHitter]

@@aperta7525 I am referring to the people that legitimize their whole existence and that of their god through and only the words in the book. In a sense, literal tradition killed god. But not my god. Logos is rising again. This time he's not alone... R.I.P. J.C.

[@Renato84Br]

Contemplate. Respect. Study. Love. Live the gift you have been given by our creator.

[@Sandlin22]

I'm not religious and I feel meaningful lol I believe I exist to pursue happiness and to do everything in my power to help the people I love pursue happiness. I don't need anymore of a purpose than that.

[@chuletajones6833]

I agree with you 100%. I only got about 15 minutes in before I shook my head a said wtf. How are they going to complain that today's generation is having issues because we lack religious belief and only focus on our feelings? Religious thought is nothing but people believing nonsense based on their feelings. Their irony levels must be over 9000 lol

[@svetlanaorlova8997]

I thought about this a lot, and I think at the core, people who say this mean to actually Express that they are working on being loving and accepting of themselves and others. So really, its parallel to the idea that we are all worth something and made in God's image. I dont think anyone literally thinks hedonism is fulfilling, but the pursuit of happiness gets lumped in with that idea on accident. Hope that clarifies the original comment!:)

[@chuletajones6833]

@00rphb This idea that you need some grand purpose is ridiculous. Let's say that tomorrow we somehow get confirmation that a God does not exist. What would change? The gullible/religious will lose their shit because now they have to think for themselves. Someone like me will be just fine. Everything and everyone I love would still be there. I'll still pursue my dreams and when im old I'll die happily knowing that I lived my life on my own accord. I dont want nor do I need an afterlife. I'm not that selfish.

[@chuletajones6833]

@00rphb I will gladly continue this conversation with you but you need to cut out that "thou" shit.

[@chuletajones6833]

@00rphb Also can you be anymore pretentious? You do not have to give the definition for everything. If I don't know something I will tell you. I understand that your worldview is based on presumptions but try to not project that on me. I've had many discussions with JP fanboys and this is usually the norm, so I would rather nip the bullshit in the bud before we converse.

[@pianomeister40]

I saw Jordan Peterson live and really wanted to ask him about fundamentalism. It is the same with these guys. It is one thing to have ethereal beliefs in a higher power that are difficult to quantify. It is quite another to say the earth is 6,000 years old and "I know how you should live every aspect of your life." What I notice in my world is that these conversations are well attended by fundamentalists who use these arguments to justify a god somewhere and then, without any support, make the giant leap to absolutely believing in talking snakes and the most backward kinds of exclusionary absolutism.

[@thedoublea147]

Who said anything about the earth being 6000 years old in this video?

[@vincentflannigan2727]

Asking a bunch of Theists if god is needed? How superb Dave!

[@ztlabraptor211]

vincent flannigan I used to be such a big Dave fan. Now the way he handles these interviews have become increasingly more unwatchable

[@vincentflannigan2727]

@@sogol8761 So dont post it

[@TheEMC99]

Why not? This is HIS channel and many of us want to see what he's doing. He's happy to share it. Seems the odd man out is you.

[@vincentflannigan2727]

@@TheEMC99 You know what? Youre right thanks unsubbed!

[@GloriousLily]

When you leave a man alone, to figure out on his own and make his move , he is more certain to reach the expected destiny than when he is constantly prodded and prompted to a desired end.

[@robertmiller5882]

Dave is an atheist. His waffling and equivocating about these matters is so obvious he is pandering. Dave, just be honest and admit you are. He recognizes that most of his audience believes in their personal ,invisible friend . What caused the events that started life to begin? I don't know, God must have did it. God of the gaps. Dave will be on the vegan bandwagon next if he thinks it will get him more viewers.

[@norbert4571]

*facepalm*

[@susiboh1183]

robert Miller you are just jealous that he is seeking the truth!

[@robertmiller5882]

The truth that Dave is really an atheist, and pretends to believe in a God to get more views from the Jordan Peterson crowd?🤔

[@amandine512]

Can your life be meaningful without *belief* in God? There. Fixed the title.

[@azfinn113]

Not mine

[@pianosenzanima1]

No, it wont have any meaning...you will forever be asking yourself the most fundamental questions of life, where do you come from and where do you go, without having any valid and empowering answer...

[@amandine512]

@@pianosenzanima1 you are projecting your own desires onto other people. I know where I came from and am not seeking any supernatural answers. See how easy that is?

[@deathlis]

Despite it being presented in the discussion as largely a moral issue, all that philosophical pondering is circle jerk nonsense. It doesn't in any way address the actual question being posited, which, by the way, while not the "wrong question" can however, be worded better to address the fundamental issue - "Is belief in God/Creationism necessary in today's society?". The answer is also a rather simple one requiring little reflection - yes for some, no for others, but on a societal level; a flat, hard YES. The reason being there is no functional replacement, at least at present, for what religion provides. Perhaps an apt example would be that some people fixate on finding a life partner, feeling an "emptiness" and need to be make "whole" absent someone to share their life with. Others are less driven to or never marry, not needing someone else to "complete them". Neither side is wrong in any meaningful sense, but they're wired that way. The problem is the emotional distress caused by failure to satiate fundamental needs, leading to emotional, mental and physical side effects equivalent to burnout, which directly affects their ability to meet social and economic demands. The bottom line is that frankly many people NEED belief in a fundamental purpose to the existence of life. That there is some cosmic plan and meaning to their existence. They are not capable of finding contentment in self-realized purpose, and cannot reconcile the idea that humanity, and by correlation themselves don't matter in any cosmic sense. The rest of us don't really care either way, as we wrest our own purpose out of life. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with people being religious. They simply require a sense of validation that we do not, and "God" fulfills that need. Atheists should continue fighting believers on the IMPLEMENTATION of belief in secular matters, but accept that many people are religious to meet a fundamental need intrinsic to them, no different than the rest of us. I respect the existence and importance of religion for that reason.

[@amandine512]

@@deathlis // Is belief in God/Creationism necessary in today's society?". The answer is also a rather simple one requiring little reflection - yes for some, no for others, but on a societal level; a flat, hard YES. The reason being there is no functional replacement, at least at present, for what religion provides. // That assumes a replacement for God and creationism is necessary. The think purpose and meaning for people while they are alive is more important to them than living for an afterlife. They may say and afterlife is important, but how much time do people really think about the big picture day to day? If people are doing work that fulfills them and have a circle of friends and family around them that they love and care for and who love and care in return, then most people would be very happy with that. The problem is, most people work jobs they don't like or even hate, are married to people they don't love, don't have close friends and are generally unfulfilled. To say that the belief in God will correct this is a mistake. What belief in God does often do is draw people to a church, where they may get their social needs met. God may even act as a placebo, making them believe their lives are improved in ways they can't really define. I believe societies can organize around ideas that don't include a celestial dictator. There are many things that make no sense whatever about the God assertion, that I wish I could ask a believer.

[@kaizenapproach4717]

what is this tripe? I'm atheist and I have as much meaning in my life as any religious person. I'm very disappointed Dave rubin. this is just another form of acceptable prejudice against a group of people based on their beliefs. pathetic.

[@Destro7000]

Pretty much, we're back in the era Dawkins used to push against. The irrationality of people who believe those who don't have an imaginary friend can't ever have a moral code. Nonsense, morals are a human construct. All you need to be is a human to have them, which doesn't necessarily mean all humans desire them, or even that there is a fixed and definite view over what morality should even be.

[@kaizenapproach4717]

Destro7000 wish we could dig up Christopher Hitchens and revive him. things immediately got worse again after he died in my opinion. with him heading the debates against religion it felt like we had a foot in the door of equality.

[@Hal2718]

@@Destro7000 Eh... I wouldn't say morality is a *human* construct. Other social animals display behavior to one degree or another that we would identify as moral. I mean, just ask any dog owner if morality is exclusively a human trait and the answer will likely be "no".

[@kaizenapproach4717]

Greg Grimer most atheists were religious.

[@jeremyhansen9197]

If I learned anything from this conversation it’s that Dave believes in whatever god gives him the most applause.

[@marshawoods4983]

Very thought-provoking entertaining video thank you for sharing love Dave Rubin and have come to really really like the Christian guy

[@Varlwyll]

God is a value structure that clarifies the hierarchy of goals and actions. Everyone who is happy with their lives has a God that they're following.

[@ericlefevre7741]

So when is the Paul Vanderklay interview scheduled?

[@annieb5647]

Like people who are born blind, it's impossible to know the richness of what they are missing.

[@liberty-matrix]

Yeah, it's true of us all. Our lives are a miracle. And we shouldn't let a day pass without acknowledging that.

[@cjane6527]

That’s very profound

[@billlyons7024]

Is it possible for you to know what "hubris" is? Pretending to some great truth doesn't make it so, and it makes you look like a fool.

[@blazedandconfused477]

Which ones though?

[@DavidLoboy]

Interesting. I like the participants. I think they miss something important though, and I cannot recall having heard any such discussion address this: Consider Proposition X It may bring me some benefit to believe X. It may bring me some benefit if you believe X. It may bring someone some benefit if some number of people believe X, or say they believe X, or believe that others believe X. Combine and permute as exhaustively as you like. None of this convinces me that X is true. Now, I may be wrong, but I have always had the impression that belief of X is demanded of me by those who believe X. Assent to the benefits of belief of X is not sufficient as far as I can tell.

[@susiboh1183]

David Loboy you sound smart, but your ideas are just babble of nothing! X equals crap!

[@girijajoshidesai]

Dave, you would definitely love to listen to and talk to Swami Sarvapriyananda... He offers a distinct take on Vedanta, which is scientific, all encompassing and most importantly accepting of the diverse religious traditions...

[@JMVuko]

God is real and our existence is tied to God. When people ask can your life be meaningful without God, they are asking do you reject / deny your tie to God. My life has only been meaningful when I have in sync with God.

[@kofidonaldson6683]

How do you "sync" with God, is it like Bluetooth? Also all of the stories of creation make absolutely no sense, and the Christian version implies that the world is only a few thousand years old. Saying that our existence is tied to something we have no proof exists is a huge claim. Also, millions perhaps billions across the world don't believe in a God, are yiu saying that none of them have found meaning in theor life?

[@Destro7000]

Show your working here ____________________.

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

@Todd Brill Your nose is so close to the ground you have no peripheral vision. God is about faith, personal fulfillment and outlook on life. It's a worldview that has little do to with your atheist, materialist "prove he exists" nonsense.

[@JMVuko]

Todd Brill It is impossible to prove that God exists. We are never going to be able to do that as He is not measurable. He has and does reveal Himself in the present moment. If you are looking, time in silence is very effective. There is a great deal of literature on the presence and revelation of God. Good luck

[@JMVuko]

KidTaku797 You are correct about the stories of creation. They are just that and told so people of those times could understand that God created the universe and life and humanity. The actual science is never going to be understood as it’s everything from nothing. Study Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître for more. If you know there is a God then it would good to see what He has in store for you. And everyone struggles with this.

[@ToLoveTruth]

Can your life be meaningful without God?...is kinda like asking can your life be meaningful without air?…we ALL live and move and have our being IN God…whether we’re aware of this state of being or not. And the absolute truth is that we are ALL, without exception, loved and treasured by our Creator, the One in Whom and through Whom we exist. Having eyes to see and ears to hear the truth of God (and therefore self) is a vital key. ❤️🔥❤️

[@jeepneygang]

If we need rules that means the rules have been broken already in one way or another. With a supernatural being if we have been given rules like the moral law by a moral law giver then we need one more important thing. Forgiveness.

[@pianosenzanima1]

We have already been given forgiveness through Jesus Christ. It depends if you, or me, are trully and fully capable of accepting it. Which I am not...still struggling, sadly.

[@susiboh1183]

Joe Congdon Jesus already gave us forgiveness! He forgave you and me!

[@RaskaTheFurry]

i feel like Jesus is just an excuse for Christians. If god would exist and if he would be the ever so loving,good and all seeing, then he would understand. Also, who is he to dictate us what we should and shouldnt do, just because he doesnt like it ? also, why did he let all the atrocities happen ? is he really a good god ? if not, why should we praise him ? why should we see him as god ?

[@susiboh1183]

Raska The Slaanesh sounds like you are relying too much on your “feelings” ! If you want to “feel “ something, go get a massage! That might “feel” right!

[@bazstrutt8247]

Joe Congdon “We need one mor important thing”.... Yes we do... Evidence

[@clark5363]

Ohhh Dave, how I love you. But Lennox is a titan. How’s your theistic worldview coming along these days? A face to face with Lennox would rattle anyone’s existential cage.

[@cselphenator]

Amen John Lennox is such a fantastic example of the science vs religion argument meaning it does not have to be a binary he is a wonderful combination of knowledge and wisdom It was great how he sort of took some heat off Dave by the moderators full court press

[@sunnydays405]

Dave "I'll question my atheism when the Koch brothers fund my show" Rubin

[@JKDDarthSniper]

silly

[@quidnick]

Muh Koch Brothers.

[@DrCorvid]

I gotta say that my forefathers, being Neteru, are in the king's list for ruling for 13,500 years, peacefully, without even terms for altercation, and without having a religion. They taught astral travel / soul ascension / dimension hopping even in the universities until quite recently, when it was made quite clear to us that we had to involve a new state religion's priests and so on....or die.

[@Dansk55]

Which one?

[@vulkanofnocturne]

Mine!

[@MrManBuzz]

Exactly.

[@adstanra]

There is no meaning without Thor.

[@Atheismo9760]

Me! I'm the one and only god.

[@adstanra]

@@Atheismo9760 Allah? Is that you ?

[@jigsnep]

Whatever life means to you, it's your god.

[@Xedokai]

I'm not religious. Though some might argue I am, as I want to believe there's a God and a Heaven etc.. But I sure as hell don't believe that if God does exist, that he really cares about what we do with our private parts or how often we swear etc... Still, I'd much prefer "In god we trust" than "In government we trust".

[@RaskaTheFurry]

so you would prefer to trust in someone that doesnt do anything than trust in something that at least does something, that may or may not be good, but it is, what people chose and thus kinda the thing people want ?

[@matthew3454]

I feel you man but it seems like you’re putting your head in the sand

[@Xedokai]

@@RaskaTheFurry Did you even watch the video? Have you done any research into the result of giving government too much power over it's citizens? It ALWAYS results in oppression. Always. I'm not saying give either of the sides power. What I am for is balance. And kids these days are being brain washed into believing socialism and big government is the answer to their problems.

[@Xedokai]

@@matthew3454 Because I don't like big government?

[@RaskaTheFurry]

@@Xedokai Did i say such a thing ? Not giving power to imaginary magical grandpa in clouds doesnt mean government will be all-powerful .... Just as a note, im a minarchist.

[@carriesilvinaespinozavilla5177]

I work everyday at Walking The Talk. In regards to what I would question most about Christianity, its not that Christ rose from the dead, its that people can be irrevocably changed for the better. How could anyone be concerned about being "raised from the dead"? Look at how the science of the human body has changed throughout the centuries. We can transplant body organs: whats next? "Raised from the dead" is not that far way. However in my 63 years of life I have seen envy beyond measure; malevolent narcissism that destroys families for no other reason than to be cruel and to flex power. I acceed, some people can change but it is deeply disturbing to me that some people feel absolutely no compulsion to stop preying on others and creating pure chaos. I have turned the other cheek, prayed and still I have been crushed a number of times by people who claim to "love" but who are so consumed by envy and the seizing of power that they have harmed me and others close to me so severely that my health is now in a perilous position. The nuclear fallout of this evil that I have witnessed intimately has spanned five generations. No amount of forgiveness can provide the incentive for people to change their destructive ways. I do see that some people make The Choice to change however there is NOTHING anyone can do to make someone make that choice. The most we can do is to remove the incentives that allow people who are destructive to prey so easily on others. Im not talking about removing freedoms, because then freedoms would be removed from all people. The ultimate gift is the gift of the ability TO MAKE A CHOICE. My kids asked me why is there so much evilness if God made the world? Because when people have a CHOICE there will always be evilness. God would not be GOD if we did not have The Choice to be good or evil. To me, the "test" that God exists is the fact that I have seen the face of pure evilness without seeing a morsel of empathy. Such evilness can only exist in a world where we all have been given a pure gift of making The Choice. Like Jordan Peterson once said, "Some people can be so destroyed by malevolence that they may never recover". So my struggle, especially since I am being faced with the end of my linage due to human malevolence, is to accept that giving The Choice to all is an absolute necessity.

[@SL2797]

Can life be meaningful without Allah? Can life be meaningful without Amaterasu? Can life be meaningful without Zeus? Can life be meaningful without Thor? Can life be meaningful without Yahweh? Duh, obviously. You don't need to believe in superstitions to build a life that makes you happy, and you are free to give it your own meaning.

[@Frosty-oj6hw]

It's definitely begging the question. Because meaning is something that is assigned by a creator to that which he creates. So it sort of assumes a god or an act of meaningful creation. If you accept that life simply evolved through natural processes and it was in some sense just determined by the laws of nature, then there's no question of purpose or meaning.

[@quidnick]

Thor is gonna smash your ass with his hammer for eternity Just you wait

[@johngrady1755]

Brilliant! More please! I enjoyed how much JP was mentioned =D

[@Frosty-oj6hw]

i think what Peterson made a good argument for in his lectures and his tour is for some kind of religion, but certainly no good arguments for god. I think his best answer was that he acts as if god exists is kind of a tacit acknowledgement that god in the sense that the masses think of him (personified as jesus-like figure) is something we cannot hold rational belief in and keep a straight face. But that the benefits of religion could not only be profound, they might actually be necessary in order for humanity to keep going.

[@Frosty-oj6hw]

@@GoodAvatar I don't think it's fair to question his honesty and call him sneaky, that's nothing more than character assassination. If you disagree with the arguments then fine but I don't think there's any reason to question his intentions.

[@Frosty-oj6hw]

@@GoodAvatar Like most good philosophers talking about complicated things that we don't understand, he's offering up suggestions that the way things are defined is part of the problem. Messing with definitions is just semantics, but that's not what he's doing, he's not just redefining a word and claiming victory, he's offering a set ideas and evidence for what he believes. And actually most of the words he's used in somewhat non-conventional ways such as his debate about what is "true", has a long and complex history which predates his own thinking. Sometimes our way of thinking is limited by traditional definitions of words and we need to abandon those ideas in order to move forward. I think Daniel Dennett did a good job with that when talking about things like free will and consciousness. If you could answer these questions with direct simple points then they wouldn't be hard questions, they'd be settled already. What he's pointed out on the more science side of things is that a lot of our assumptions about who we are, how we behave, what we believe, how we perceive the world etc, these are all way more complicated than we know, and so demands for simplicity is to ignore the full depth of the problem. In fact that simple answers often are just ideological in nature. Given you think these things can just be made simple makes me think you probably don't really get what is actual point is most of the time.

[@lisatowe778]

I see no way God could have created us with free will and choice, and kept us from consequences. Consequences are a perception. Some praise the success that is a consequence of their work, some praise the downfall that their success brought because they were able to grow in their character and be someone they couldn’t be while successful. So which consequences would God “save us” from? He says we will have nothing we cannot handle IN HIM, so He does spare us what we cannot (yet) walk through in faith with Him. So pain and sadness, inequality of outcome and loss is part of this life. WE choose the outcome for our own spirits by how we handle it and I cannot see one better way atheists would have helped me cope with loss, death, etc than what God and my faith has done

[@jsmski3419]

Maranatha

[@azfinn113]

Soon and very soon

[@leedufour]

Thanks John, Dave and Justin.

[@Andres64B]

Can your life be meaningful WITH God?

[@thinboxdictator6720]

sure since it has been demonstrated that when person believing in god thinks about what god thinks, he/she thinks about him(her)self so it can give you confidence in your decisions,because god (you) would agree. it can be as beneficial as it can be harmful, but meaningful? why not..

[@Andres64B]

@@thinboxdictator6720 what that study shows is that people simply project their wants and desires onto what they're invisible friend wants and desires.

[@jeffp6134]

Lol what a stupid question- that has been the status quo for thousands of years and the millions have been enriched by faith. And I dont just mean Christianity, but belief in morals, tradition, etc are the key to a well lived life. But atheism is popular these days and we see garbage culture, selfishness, etc. our culture sucks and yet we don’t want to admit that atheism is a part of that.

[@thinboxdictator6720]

@@jeffp6134 vast majority of people are still religious. so don't blame atheism for something it couldn't cause,even if atheism would be possible valid cause for anything.

[@deleted01]

@@jeffp6134 That question is no dumber than the question that is the subject of this video. There are countless people who don't believe in God yet still find their lives meaningful. Now, is it easier to live a meaningful life as a believer? Maybe. But to suggest that atheism negates any meaning of life would be absurd.

[@kenlittle5706]

Certainly! What a stupid premise. You're not actually suggesting more than a half billion people have meaningless lives? If one person believes something totally illogical, strange and sometimes harmful, they call that person crazy. When millions believe the EXACT SAME THING they are a "person of faith".

[@richardsilmai9038]

Can something that doesn't exist die?

[@Destro7000]

I hope so.

[@Josh-rn1em]

Most people who mock religion don't get the point. There are greater truths they haven't thought about yet. Truths like good and evil. Ideas the symbolism of things mean and why it's important. So many more. What exactly does this "man in the sky" actually personify?

[@chuffsie]

It personifies "indoctrination"

[@Josh-rn1em]

@@chuffsie you didn't understand my comment did you? You have a set view of what religion is and won't see any deeper meaning or even the possibility of a deeper meaning. I hope you just for a minute look into it from a philosophical viewpoint.

[@Hal2718]

Everything you've said is just wrong from the get-go. "Truths like good and evil." That's not a truth. The whole idea of good and evil depends on a society's/culture's idea of what behavior is both desired and undesired hence value systems change over time. What you may consider evil now may have been considered good a few centuries ago and/or will be considered good a few centuries from now. Of the course, it's the same inversely. I'd imagine you eat meat and much like how we view our ancestors as monsters for their attitudes towards slavery, so too will future generations view you in the same light for your carnivorous ways.

[@zankfrappawdeezil5566]

@@GoodAvatar yeah strange it seems one has to nearly have to be outside the paradigm to see the contradictions clearly...strange world indeed..

[@zankfrappawdeezil5566]

@@Hal2718 now now, its taking it far to just assume he is a murdering meat eater now huh? but sure veganism (blatantly assuming your dietray requirements!)has become a semi-religion of its own, (suck on that carrot!!)and do we really want to drag the past into it over and over again(slavery et all)? no redemption, no moving forward, unless we get approval from non-existent future-generations?!

[@gizmobalboa2106]

William Lane Craig next !!

[@yordanojimenez5291]

Yes!!

[@Obscuredbywinds]

William lane Craig is a special kind of moron.

[@TomDelmonte]

A wonderful example of diversity of views being expressed and respected, this is how we should deal with a plurality of views, that is what makes us better. Et pluribus unum.

[@chriswhinery925]

Never heard of John Lennox and... still not a fan. I'm about halfway through this and most of what he's said has not meant anything meaningful to me. His arguments in favor of religion sound like they might be compelling to someone who is already a believer but they are not compelling at all to someone who isn't.

[@thedoublea147]

You gotta watch some of his other videos.

[@EliteInterpunct]

I know this comment is 9 months old but I feel like he's spoken to me even though I haven't practiced religion since I was a kid and denounced it early in my teen years. I might just listen to more of his public speeches because I appreciate someone who isn't afraid to debate his belief and put it on the line specially in front of hitchens and dawkins like he has from my brief google search.

[@cyntogia]

Do we need God? Yes.

[@larrybarnes1794]

Do we need god? No

[@susiboh1183]

Larry Barnes are you sure?

[@paaaaaaaaq]

Define god or your message is meaningless

[@susiboh1183]

å Jesus Christ! Why? Because He said so! and we have ample evidence!

[@coreybrown4920]

I’ve always hated the phrase that we are made in gods image. Gives humans an undeserved superiority over other species

[@susiboh1183]

Corey Brown and we are above all other species!

[@RaskaTheFurry]

@@susiboh1183 actually... not really. we just developped something that gave us no advantage at the start, but veeery huge advantage at the end, that it allowed us to dominate the world. A better brain. which we used well enough to have a place in evolutionary system rather than be discarded as failure. we just took the longer, but much better road than other species. we should not look down on them, their ancestors didnt value brain as much as our ancestors did.

[@JungleJargon]

You can’t tell the truth without God.

[@RaskaTheFurry]

ehh... you can

[@JungleJargon]

@@RaskaTheFurry Only your Maker can remake you again.

[@kingcobra5885]

@@JungleJargon So my father and mother can remake me again? I doubt that.

[@JungleJargon]

@@kingcobra5885 They didn't make you.

[@kingcobra5885]

@@JungleJargon They did. They had sex and I was created as a result of that.

[@mrs.jaywojo5426]

On the contrary, from my seat observing everything, it seems Christianity is on the path of a revival. God, most certainly, is not "dead."

[@ztlabraptor211]

Jaime Wojo it’s on the decline. Atheism and Islam are the two fastest growing belief systems in the world

[@MrManBuzz]

@@ztlabraptor211 Atheism isn't a belief system. It's literally the opposite of one.

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

@@MrManBuzz It absolutely is a belief system that comes loaded with a whole philosophy on worldview.

[@keithfiredive]

From my seat, observing everything, the earth is flat.

[@ztlabraptor211]

MrManBuzz perhaps “states of belief” would be a better term.

[@garywhitt98]

David Rubin. An honest man.

[@nathanielobinwaiii4139]

Interview Matt Dillahunty and have him answer these stupid questions. I’m so done with Rubin. Crowder and Chen are open conservative Christians and they talk about god less than Rubin.

[@KimberlyOfTheRoyalPriesthood]

Nathaniel Obinwa ask yourself why this bothers you so much. The Bible says our flesh is in enmity to God. I challenge you to read it through. God speaks

[@SL2797]

@@KimberlyOfTheRoyalPriesthood Who cares about what that old novel says?

[@FreshSmog]

@@KimberlyOfTheRoyalPriesthood People won't change their minds after reading something they don't believe in in the first place. The bible isn't persuasive at all, it's persuasive to you because you're already a believer. If fact, I believe that thick book is an even bigger barrier to people wanting to believe.

[@nathanielobinwaiii4139]

I’ve read the Bible cover to cover, used to believe it. If god speaks through that book then I’m not sure if he or satan is the evil one

[@FreshSmog]

@@nathanielobinwaiii4139 Yeah, people form their own opinions about the stuff they read, including the bible. Not everyone finds it as interesting as this guy. These bible waving Christians are so deep in their own obsession, they don't even know what they're doing. As a non-believer, I'm 99% sure I can sell the religion better than this guy.

[@theJellyjoker]

That is a very personal question, some people do and some people don't and the only one who can answer that is you and only for yourself.

[@susiboh1183]

Jeff Liggett I’m glad you can trust yourself because I certainly cannot!

[@adstanra]

Romans 13 1-3 1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. 2Consequently, the one who resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the one in authority? Then do what is right, and you will have his approval.… "Sell everything and give it to the poor". " It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to inherit the kingdon of God". " the first will be last, and the last first". Acts 5 1-11 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet. 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” 5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him. 7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?” “Yes,” she said, “that is the price.” 9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.” 10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events. The fact is that that the Christian church was, for most of it's history, very negative towards wealth accumulation and thought very poorly of merchants. They thought the end of the world was imminent, and soon going to end with an intervention from a heavenly king who would reorder society. It is the antithesis of individual liberty and capitalism.

[@FreshSmog]

Quoting the bible doesn't really work you know? Non-believers don't believe in the bible, only believers read it, so you aren't actually convincing anyone.

[@adstanra]

@@FreshSmog I*t should convince believers, since they believe in it. The early Christians were a socialist cult waiting for the end of days. How does... " do not resist your enemies" " do good unto those who persecute you" "if your enemy strikes you on the cheek, turn to him the other cheek as well". work in the real world of the last 2000 years. It was about an impending intervention from a king who would establish the rules for everyone.

[@BartJBols]

@@FreshSmog it shows how disjointed and contradictory it is to use belief as an argument against disbelief. It will convince believers.

[@vulkanofnocturne]

I always thought Christianity was communist for reasons like this. Yet people keep saying Christianity is the foundation of western civilization. I don't agree.

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

Key words there: 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but bad. This assumes a ruler who rules justly should not be disobeyed. No rulers on this earth rule justly, therefore they're against God.

[@jerryhewes]

I agree with the next commenter below. Therefore: The "spirit" is the first order of existence. Our conception of spirit requires no god unless we imagine existence as a material happening when, in fact, everything is made of value. Actually, materialism begins as a consequence of collective values, as defined by spirit, becoming large enough to become visible. The third order of existence and the first principle of existence is non-contradiction. If one can accept these observation, the issue of god's existence or non-existence becomes irrelevant and today we stand at the fork in the road of existence or non-existence dependent upon whether or not we think materially or as if we are made of value. It is value which leads us to meaning and our principles of existence. Materialism is the unfortunate manner in which we have tried to make the material world what we think it should be materially while the whole universe is controlled and defined by value. Materialism has no central focus of verifiable importance which principles might support. It is for this reason that only the value perspective offers us our principles of existence. These principles successfully, or to the best of our abilities, guide us to and through every moment of our existence. Yet materially, they are invisible. In fact, I showed these principles to an educated and sophisticated man and he observed, "What a nice collection of words." He saw nothing but had to remain gracious! Such is the nature of all materially based thought. Much earlier in my life I suggested the ideas to the chairman of the Philosophy Department at a major state run university system and was asked to leave. He was also unable to process them. And there you have it.

[@susiboh1183]

Jerry Hewes what was this person who quoted this smoking? Seems like a bunch of “intellectual” garbage!

[@jerryhewes]

@@susiboh1183 You reap what you sow.

[@LudvigIndestrucable]

Why are people still arguing? We've proved that we don't need God or religion, but we don't need coke, yet people still want it despite being expensive and harmful.

[@LudvigIndestrucable]

@ZeOverman You suspect, but there is little evidence, the 'atheist churches' bear little resemblance to the theistic models and little more than community centres. The only thing that religion provides that we know humans need is community and we also know that doesn't require a god or religion. We all have difficulty navigating the world while progressing towards death without superstitions, but we're all capable of it, some merely choose not to.

[@antirnator8194]

Yes, injustice is the hardest question because of the pain and sufferring.

[@craigsips8677]

Antirnator that's just nature doing its thing. It's not proof of anything.

[@antirnator8194]

@@craigsips8677 Are you saying, injustice is not part of the human experience and suffering is not real?