Canadian Black Rifle Tier List

[@dreadnaughttactical]

I miss what we once had here in Canada.. and what has been taken away from us law abiding gun owners! Our laws make absolutely no sense! - To say one rifle "looks scarier" than another and then to ban it solely based on that criteria is just rediculous! We cant have an VZ-58 or AK-47.. but a Type 81 or SKS is fine. We cant have a Styer AUG or Ruger Mini 14 or AR-15.. but a Tavor TAR-21 and X-95 is Ok We cant have a FN Scar or M-14/M1A.. but a Browning BAR or M1 Garand is acceptable You cant even have more than a 10rd magazine in your Ruger 10/22 now.. thanks to our RCMP making up laws on their own without even going through legislature! - We all just woke up one morning and the RCMP sent out letters to retailers all across Canada saying Ruger 10/22 magazines over 10rds are now illegal in Canada.. and we just laid down and took it - meanwhile all other .22lr rimfire rifles in Canada can have 100rd drum magazines like the GSG-16 (which is really an HK-MP5 clone) and that's Ok..? Ive been a gun owner since the 1980's.. so Ive lived through the gun bans.. and I remember when a firearms license was called an F.A.C. (Firearms Acquisition Certificate) and there was no 3 day course or exams - just an application submitted to your local police dept - I remember when firearms and ammo was cheap.. and when we had less restrictions and more freedoms.. more options.. when we had 30rd and 40rd and even drum magazines.. and life as a firearms owner in Canada was good. Now.. we have even lost our handguns.. what's next..? I know I speak for many other Canadian firearm owners especially those who have been around for as long or longer as I have been when I say.. *I want it all back Canada!* *legal gun owners are NOT the problem!* *Criminals with illegal/smuggled/stolen guns are the problem!* *Leave us law abiding firearm owners alone.. go after the REAL problem.. and give us all of our shit back!*

[@davidoftheforest]

they're systematically banning every firearm. Banned solely on looks? there's no way you're actually that gullible. They're disarming us so we can't fight back, can't stop Agenda 2030 and the W E F. It has absolutely nothing to do with crime or safety.

[@MKx01]

dont call the gsg16 an mp5 clone

[@davidoftheforest]

@@MKx01 hahaha agreed

[@tonyzhu403]

A Few Battle Rifles missing on the list, since the M1 was mentioned. RFB and Tavor 7. I'm guessing they will land pretty close to their Intermediate Cartridge Sisters.

[@acanuck4life]

They said that they will banning rifles deemed dangerous by OIC after the special safety committee identifies them. Wonder what the chance is they'll use this list

[@3MTA3-]

Well, going forward the corrupt Lieberals want to ban everything that shoots a bullet, at which point they will start on archery equipment. So all the hunters out there clutching their model 94's and wagging their fingers at black rifle owners, better start to step up. They have pretty much said that they want to transform the culture. They have stated that handguns will be completely removed from the public hands in a few decades thanks to their bans, don't think for a second that they support hunting by colonists.

[@bluejaysfan965]

It’s no info they don’t already have.

[@bluejaysfan965]

@@rickbring5993 you gonna ban them yourself? From my cold dead hands

[@bluejaysfan965]

@@rickbring5993 Pierre said he will reverse it. Aussie and UK is different than our Conservatives

[@3MTA3-]

@@rickbring5993 How about defiance?

[@bravotwozero535]

I like my Lockhart Raven for 3 gun once I put my AR15 fixed gas block on it. The best thing about it is swapping my AR15 parts and accessories with it and it runs the LAR-15 10/10 mags just fine.

[@pewdiepiekjellberg4295]

Shocked by the rating of the Siberian mine has worked perfectly very happy with it.

[@gx12]

How about a pistol calibre carbine version of this? 🤙

[@mikechrest6997]

Raven is very much a TIER S , With many advatages on AR 15 platform . Bad part is long wait for delivery

[@CandaianMinuteman]

Any chance we could get a PCC tier list?

[@PitPwny]

Do a pcc tier list please.

[@Huntinggearguy]

Yeah, I should do that.

[@lomparti]

I can tell you the best rifle on that list for the cheapest price is the su16. Reliable, lightweight, modular design with 3 different stock/grip options, lifetime warranty, works with every type of ar mag, extremely easy to take apart and clean Just an all around badass rifle that can be used for anything by anyone and for $1200 you just can’t beat it.

[@mitchlehmann9292]

yeah i love my su16

[@VA6OIL]

X95 is up with thr APC and Bren.

[@GreenKnight1979]

And half the cost too!

[@ForAFewDollarsMore9]

Proven war/battle time. M1 Garand and X95.

[@northernharvest9100]

You are right!

[@frenchie_maple]

Thank you so much for this list!

[@david47295]

Personally, I would put the R18 Mk2 as an A-tier. From what I've seen, it's probably the most reliable 180-style rifle in Canada. However, it is a bit front-heavy and some mags can be prone to over-insertion. It also would've been nice if it had support for other AR-10 handguards since the one it uses was based off of the AR-10's (I think). Aside from that, it feels great to shoot and it can accept AR lower parts and triggers. Plus if you want to upgrade your handguard to the newer one with a full length pic rail, you can order one from SAI.

[@DarthReggie]

the temp gen 1 is annoyingly heavy other than that I haven't had an issue with it

[@Dan-xw7kb]

Thanks Adriel for the list!

[@mikechrest6997]

Maybe time time to revisit this list?

[@jacquesbeliveau2716]

How can you evaluate weapon you have not seen or taken to the range....,evaluation based on speculations.

[@MKx01]

need more info on SG540/542

[@Huntinggearguy]

The latest imports were kinda bad. Earlier, especially on the 223 version, were fine.

[@MKx01]

@@Huntinggearguy yes but how are they bad ? you mentioned the failures i knew about for the other rifles, but not much details on the sg rifle failures, and I haven't heard much reliability complaints of the new sg rifle batch, not that i have been paying much attention.

[@K2llswitch]

There is a whole thread on CGN. The handguards were the wrong size and came lose and are waiting for warranty replacement. Examples of crooked rails, poor welds etc. Many were unhappy. Earlier imports were more popular- largest complaint is that they use proprietary mags that are rare and expensive.

[@GrimCreaper007]

The Cru Arms Templar is much better than C tier, great accuracy and reliability, a little on the heavy side sure, but excellent when set up as an SPR

[@snapascrew]

How many rounds have you put through yours?

[@Ryan_Driedger]

Cool list see a couple I didn't know much about. Ps. My m10x gen 2 it currently over 1500 rounds with no issues

[@dalenesbitt]

I want German Space Magic for my birthday!

[@internetexpert8153]

so glad to see the m1 garand getting some love

[@cryptolinksinvesting2058]

Ltac Raven Gen 2s are beautiful

[@connieclarke5855]

FX9? JR Carbine? Decent rifles/carbines IMO

[@VA6OIL]

Raven also has gas issues and chamber issues.

[@kevinforget549]

That was due to a defective batch of barrels. It's fixed now. Blame their barrel supplier.

[@VA6OIL]

​@kevinforget549 not sure if you can consider it fixed when a bunch of guys were just told to drill their gas ports oversized to compensate for the issue, and those barrels are still out there.

[@kevinforget549]

@@VA6OIL i guess i should have been more specific. those barrels were out of spec, the new ones are proper spec.

[@cardinal112]

Hi, Hve looked at many reviews on many rifles, I have just got my PAL and looking for a decent rifle that is accurate, fun to shoot and none if minimal problems with, can you recommend any? range and accuracy also . thank you

[@user-jq2wp7uj4q]

get a kel tec sub2000 9 millimeter, pretty good gun for its price and i have about atleast 1000 or 1500 rounds through it and only had about 2 jams. great starter rifle if your new to guns.

[@broclindahl4024]

Where would you put the bushmaster acr?

[@Huntinggearguy]

Right at the top. They're excellent

[@kevinpryce7596]

I heard the SKS wasent going to be banned can somebody. Tell me please

[@lomparti]

Nothings going to be banned. Don’t worry

[@dillonsachen5343]

You have any info on the latest version of the spectre ws-msr? I just ordered one and fingers crossed it's better than the older gen/gens.

[@RossBoss90]

Oh it's way better than the gen1, B tier forsure

[@dillonsachen5343]

phew that's great to hear! @@RossBoss90

[@Official1616Club]

As someone who owns both gen1 and gen2. They are essentially the same rifle, the only thing thats different is furniture on the rifle itself and a reworked bolt carrier to stop from shattering like the gen1. Personally I bought the gen2 because I thought it was so much better when it is really the same with a bit better AR platform parts.

[@RossBoss90]

@@Official1616Club It's totally different, new upper, new lower, the pik rail isnt glued onto the receiver, reinforced rear takedown pin area. Right charging handle port removed, charging handle improved, overall QC is higher. I don't think you're talking about the WS-MCR

[@Official1616Club]

@@RossBoss90 I have both in front of me right now. I have the wk 180c I have the ws mcr I have the specter etc. I really bought into the AR 180 platform and found that they are all essentially the same rifle with different furniture like I said in prior comment.

[@sheslikeheroin1661]

Have you had any chances with a siberian other than the loaner going around? I know i commented on you're review of it but mines been flawless for 1200 rounds now. I put a proper scope on it ( had a 1x prism before) and it's printing 1 moa groups with a warm barrel at 75 yards. I know 5 others with them and so far their experience is the same. One guy i know put a squib in hid and blew it up, his fault and bcl still replaced the rifle. The real world experience I've had with the gun has been awesome, the only bad experiences i've heard of have only been onli e / youtube it seems. I did get mine in august so i will definitely acknowledge its of newer production than some out there adn there definitely could have been kinks since worked out.

[@josephbuckley5323]

I have also had zero issues with my Siberian. It has approximately 2000 rounds through it, I usually shoot brass but last weekend I put 300 rounds of Barnaul through it without a single failure….. she chewed em up and spit em out…. The gun was dirty as hell after though

[@sheslikeheroin1661]

@@josephbuckley5323 thats barnaul for you, their 223 was always filthy. I have to clean my siberian. i haven't stripped it down since i first got it. I deep cleaned it outta tbe box, greased it and have been letting her rip since. I love my siberian.

[@spetsnaz892]

That's a pretty poor opinion on the SG-540/543 to give it a low ranking. The only real issues it has been having are handguard issues, shitty stocks and the rare BCG hitting stock adapter due to not having a hole drilled. All issues that are solved with a couple hundred bucks. And then you have a solid modern rifle with AK reliability

[@neilio6451]

Would you put the WK181 gen 2 in C tier as well?

[@Huntinggearguy]

Yep. Extractors shouldn't break.

[@mikechrest6997]

friends dont let friends buy WK-180s

[@MrYaniv99]

I’ve been looking into the Beneli MR1 recently. Have you seen anything more on it recently?

[@indoctrineightxxvi1780]

The Raven is an overpriced aesthetically appealing paperweight. Hopefully we can get the PSA JAKL in Canada with the 180b lower through IRG. At the moment I think shelling out over $3500 for a NR BREN or APC is ridiculous.

[@xkyox4945]

How so, what is wrong with the current Raven

[@ak4344]

Jakl and BRN-180 are bufferless piston uppers made to plug onto an AR lower, as such they are Prohib based on upper alone.

[@duckslinger999]

MFW my best gun in the list is my SKS :(

[@ak4344]

Bren 2s are awesome, just most cannot afford, x95 isnt bad either, I like it

[@Stephen-uz8dm]

Be happy. Enjoy your sks. I don't have one.

[@Average_Acadian]

I wish future generations of the Raven will solve all problems, or at least they will have a lifetime warranty

[@xkyox4945]

What problems does the Raven have currently

[@DarkCatfish]

It's shit like every other gun made in Canada

[@xkyox4945]

@@DarkCatfish so you have no experience with it, got it

[@Average_Acadian]

@DarkCatfish Canadian firearms manufacturers have to deal with recent changes in regulations. Many firearms parts from the previous design need now to be reinvented from zero to go around the weapon ban. Like every new design, new problems occur, but with research and development and support from firearms community, they will improve their design

[@bruce850]

Lockhart Raven

[@GumbootsOnBackwards]

T81 is too much for too little.

[@lomparti]

It is slightly overpriced but it is the most reliable x39 semi in Canada, that’s why. Look at the other x39 semis..m10x, bren 2, wk181 etc. all rife with problems. Stove pipes, ftf, fte, ammo picky etc etc. The t81 is a hardcore battle rifle that you could literally go to war with and count on it performing flawlessly, that’s why it’s still worth the $2k.

[@ak4344]

@@lomparti 2K? I got my lmg version which was extremely well finished brand new for 1150

[@lomparti]

@@ak4344ya well there’s a reason you can still buy brand new lmg’s but brand new folders or fixed stock t81 are not available. Nobody wants an lmg, everybody wants a real type 81 (folder or fixed stock)

[@7hart2]

I would change around the list a lttle bit: the M10x gen3 has been rather reliable, so B tier would be fine because of their spotty history. Any gun that is 100% reliable should be an immediate A tier: Gen 3 T97 and the SKS. A Kodiak rail on the SKS is a quick fix for optic mounting.

[@bcw83]

m10x is still crap as a gen 3 from anything I've seen or heard

[@ShortStrokeArmoury]

Don't worry, poly has their own list and its dumb as hell.

[@bravotwozero535]

Poly is going to have a real problem with the next government.

[@Chr0mePisto1a]

Raven is A tier

[@internetexpert8153]

a lot of rifles in B belong in c &d

[@reaperone25]

Please don’t provide a list for anti gun group 😂

[@Huntinggearguy]

They already have lists. Aside from the FRT which lists. . ..all of the guns, Polytechnique gives the Liberal party lists of guns they want banned.

[@internetexpert8153]

na the sterling arms r18nis easily d tier. its lucky to aee C they are dog shit

[@petevegas3274]

X95 is an S Tier firearm. You're allowing your personal bias to affect the scores. Not ideal