Candyman 2021 (Dead Meat Podcast

[@DeadMeat]

Couple of corrections to make here: 1.) Yahya isn't in Lovecraft Country - we didn't watch the show and were mistaken since that was also a Monkeypaw production. 2.) The puppets were done by Manual Cinema, not Kara Walker. Similar styles but different artists. Sorry!

[@Wrestling316]

Your the best horror channel on KZbin🔥

[@afrolovely]

Glad you cleared that up! Yahya was in HBO'S Watchmen where we did get to see ALooOoT of him *wink wang wink*

[@cnashford2]

@@afrolovely Switching those shows reminds me of "Hidden Fences" (someone's combining of the movies "Hidden Figures" and "Fences"). 😅

[@sydneyadler9059]

I saw it twice already I loved it

[@memecontrol8933]

Yo do splinter 2008

[@VideoPunk_]

I love the idea of several candymen. Like in the ghost rider comics, there are several ghost riders acting as Spirits of Vengeance. Candman is, for the most part, the Spirit of Vengeance for POC. I also think the first story you hear of candyman, is the candyman you summon. With Helen, she heard Daniels story, so she summons him.

[@JordanDaBoogiemaane98]

I've only heard one other person draw this comparison besides u. Much respect

[@G.F.Browning]

Yknow that's a really good comparison or idea, ive yet to watch the remake so idk if it works or not but I definitely like the sound of it so ill track this comment down in a few days and let you know if I still like it (probably will). But let me drop so knowledge about the Riders on you tho, technically there is only two Riders in the Marvel universe (One of whom isnt actually a Spirt of Vengeance at all) at present since the ones from other cultures where killed by Dan Ketch in the 09 Ghost Rider series (which was AWSOME btw) and the other Riders that showed up at the end were previous host of Johnny's spirit Zarathos that he called from hell as back up. But yeah I do agree the ideas dope and I agree that the Riders from other cultures shouldve stuck around to give us a Ghost Rider Corps that would've be awesome, alas not

[@CornNNNick]

@@G.F.Browning not a remake. Its a sequal

[@brianward7]

You know what’s interesting is the tale Helen heard is never referenced by the denizens of Cabrini Green. She explicitly hears it from a fellow academic. There’s no real telling which Candyman the people in Cabrini Green are really talking about.

[@G.F.Browning]

@@CornNNNick oh cool, I was kinda under the impression its a requel that leans more towards the remake aspect y'know

[@jourdynne27]

I liked that Anthony’s piece was titled “Say My Name” as it’s reminiscent of the call to “Say Their Name” as part of the movement for Black lives in remembrance of those who have been unjustly killed. I can see how that ties into William’s point of “this can’t be the end” and speaking someone’s name to continue the legacy of their life and not ending on the injustice of their death.

[@tinkerer3399]

While this movie can be on the nose it can also be subtle and that is one of the better subtle nods.

[@DeadMeat]

Fuck, I can't believe we forgot to mention that.

[@yosurushi1427]

The art Anthony was doing also ties into what the movie says about how people idolise candy man

[@indiiedreamer]

Also... Destiny's Child!

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

Spoilers: I don’t think Antony needed to be standing to be seen as a threat to police. I always remember the black caretaker who was tending to his autistic charge and was forced to lie on the ground and was still shot (albeit non fatally) by the white officer, who responded with “I don’t know” when asked why he shot him.

[@LaFlor718]

Fantastic point! That case was sad and very troubling.

[@tiernanmcculloch]

I agree, but I think it has more to do with the timing of the edit. It is the instant that cop enters the room that he shoots Anthony. I would be more forgiving of it if he took a moment to survey the area and then shot Anthony once he had determined what was going on, but it seems sort of odd that he would just instantly go to shoot someone on the floor. It feels like the cop is way too omniscient because of how instantly he is able to tell who is on the floor, and his aim was just way too accurate, only hitting Anthony. I think that is one of the film's biggest flaws, where any character that is even slightly antagonistic to the main characters just feels cartoonishly evil in how they are portrayed, whether it be a random art critic having an argument with Anthony, or actual murderous cops, all of the antagonistic forces in the film just feel so over the top. Not sure if it is just their performances, or a combination of weird performances and off putting writing, but I know personally it was one of the things that took me out of the movie every now and then.

[@KashFlow24G]

I know I’m late but this situation will always resonate in my mind! It’s scary cause the ending seems to be when people decide that it’s not “making sense” anymore lol 😂 but I think that was the point.

[@Tony_Pesta]

@@tiernanmcculloch I agree the antagnoists in this movie felt cartoonish (the art dealer dude was the worst part of the movie) but I actually don't think it's surprising for a cop to shoot someone on the ground. I can think of a few notorious instances off the top of my head

[@CheziahKatt]

​@@tiernanmcculloch they didn't stop to ask questions for Brianna Taylor. She was asleep and they shot her dead.

[@omarm.9364]

The idea of multiple Candyman stories works for the urban legend framework in the movie. Urban legends always change as they pass down to other people, but they’ll keep the basic details. That is their power to keep them relevant for decades.

[@adribby]

Chelsea: I think you don’t know how to count… James: * laughs * The channel: 😳

[@desasmr90]

Underrated comment

[@SarahTheBreadGod]

Yes

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

XD

[@HalloweenYearRound]

Literally someone commented on my review of Candyman, "If it gets political I'm not interested." As if the original movie didn't deal with any of these themes.

[@areebsiddiqui758]

The original Candyman was far better in delivering the message but being subtle and not let it overshadow the movie. This one felt too on the nose and preachy.

[@BeefyZawg]

🟧⬛😩

[@shootermcgavin214]

@@areebsiddiqui758 I agree

[@jackcassidy9963]

The original did deal with these themes but managed to actually be more subtle...and good

[@HalloweenYearRound]

@@jackcassidy9963 agree 100% the original was better and handled things in a more subtle way. My point was that people were writing off the new one without even seeing it because it was "political" at all.

[@charlottehubert4169]

When Breanna goes in the backroom of the landromat, she opens the door to the basement and just says "Nope!" and tries to leave!! Just another example of her being an intelligent horror movie character 🙂

[@teksnotdead902]

Except her not hearing the door click locked before that. I heard that and knew she was getting trapped for something.

[@charlottehubert4169]

@@teksnotdead902 i heard it too, but her not hearing it doesnt make her less intelligent, she just didnt hear it

[@coolbeans1266]

Loved it!

[@calvinmobley9628]

Yeah i saw that and thought "yeah that was relatable" lol.

[@cbb3480]

@@charlottehubert4169 no that’s not saying she’s less intelligent for it lol just not as observant as she should’ve been in that moment

[@Tobinsoul]

In the flashback, Sherman had a prosthetic hook hand, and then when he appears as a murderous ghost, he has the classic hook hand and the bees, even though they weren't associated with his death.

[@RussiaAddict1]

I like the [intentional] coincidence of old prosthetic hands being a hook. It absolutely plays into the "hook hand" urban legend adaptation that Sherman becomes

[@yosurushi1427]

It’s because of the cultural osmosis

[@joshuawilliams3886]

As for the bees, I think that’s just something that comes with every Candyman regardless. The bees are something so ingrained into the urban legend at this point, that it’s just associated with every incarnation of Candyman.

[@jazathoth7313]

Mythical figures tend to have features that "stick" to them and their stories. The Greek god Dionysus used to be heavily associated with death and rebirth, with one of his origin stories detailing resurrection after violent dismemberment, an act that would be recreated by his followers in a sacrifice to him. Well after he became a much different god of wine and partying, you can still see dismemberment show up in stories about him even when that version of Dionysus had nothing to do with it. Candyman is similar. He is a being made from stories, an urban legend made manifest. As the stories change, so does the character, but some things are so inherent to the core concept that they cling to every version of the character for years. I see Daniel Robitaille appearing before Breanna at the end of the film to be the equivelant to Dionysus showing his much older, much more vicious tendencies as revenge against the house of Cadmus in the Bacchae. Or Odin still being the one-eyed leader of the Einherjar after being reinterpreted as the leader of the Wild Hunt. Or the Irish pantheon still retaining their importance in the tales of mythical heroes long after their religion got Christianized to hell and back.

[@tuckershuff1441]

I was thinking it signified he was going to be subtly changing into the original Candyman. Starting with the hook, then in the next scene he has the black boots, then the next the black coat etc., until at the end he's full Daniel Robitaille.

[@Aaronatthegaybar]

I honestly didn’t even realize while watching it that the young boy whose sisters were murdered in the bathroom was supposed to be a younger Burke. It makes sense tho because when it came up it felt really out of place. It feels like a portion of this film was left on the cutting room floor. I would love to see an unrated directors cut (if there is one) that helps elevate the story.

[@dramamole]

Oh that's why that scene was there?! I thought it was so random when I watched it. Of course I didn't understand the ending of the movie at all.

[@VegasAceVII]

See this is a flaw of the movie. The timing of the scene is poorly done. This should be more obvious.

[@ECW5320]

@@VegasAceVII That scene should've been part of Burke's initial story when he talked to Anthony at the laundromat. Would've made more sense.

[@javieracevedo9084]

Hopefully we do get to see a Director's Cut.

[@ECW5320]

@@javieracevedo9084 This comment has aged well.

[@JoshKoshBGosh1]

James I stopped this to start Candyman to confirm THE FIRST KILL in the 92’ is when the boyfriend says it 4 times goes downstairs and then she says it the last time and gets killed. I had the same thought watching it but had a feeling that was the rule so it’s just 5 total doesn’t have to be one person 5 times.

[@charlesthompson2281]

Its a urban legend being told probably didn't even go down like that's why it was told like that and it changed later on in the movie

[@TheStrangr2112]

Well they both said the first four so maybe it followed her four times

[@JoshKoshBGosh1]

@@TheStrangr2112 no only he says it the first 4 times, I just watched it again before replying to you to be sure.

[@TheStrangr2112]

@@JoshKoshBGosh1 My bad your right

[@Jack-go1jz]

I think the reason that Candyman is truly “brought back” at the end and why he isn’t “back” earlier on is because Sherman is a remnant from when Candyman was killed in the first movie. He’s trapped in the mirror, still fulfilling his purpose but not in his fullest form. It’s only at the end of the movie, after Burke brings him back, where he finally comes out of the mirror into our world.

[@charmer129]

I was expecting her dad to be a candyman. When they mentioned seeing his paintings, I was expecting her to see how much they matched Anthony's

[@cassandratemple45]

Yes! I was waiting for that too. Maybe it got cut in the editing process because it's too similar to be a coincidence.

[@ryangibson1216]

I honestly loved this movie. Personally I thought the themes on trauma were really well-developed even though they weren't as subtle as they could have been. Like how William was traumatized while doing laundry as a kid, and then grew up to own a Laundromat. Or Brianna having a traumatic childhood involving her artist dad and then becoming an art director. I think it ties into how trauma is a cycle and it's impossible to just bury it and pretend like it never existed. Also Brianna kicks ass.

[@BTT16]

The way i see it is, the reason why Sherman Fields Candyman was killing everyone is because thats the version Burke told to Anthony first. Fields materialized in Anthony's mind and is the one that materialized to commit these new murders. It also plays into the urban legends changing through word of mouth. I liked it, but yeah, the third act was so rushed and came out of nowhere. There were shots of Helen and many other scenes in the trailers that weren't in the final cut of the film which im very interested in learning more about.

[@Falxifer95]

Given the initial success of this movie there might be a Director's Cut down the line, I certainly hope so.

[@josevelajr]

What shots of Helen in the trailers? I don't remember Helen in the trailers at all.

[@BTT16]

@@josevelajr they are quick, but there is a shot of her burnt corpse wearing the floral headdress from her funeral in the 92 movie sitting in the church as bees swarm into the windows. In the international trailer theres a shot of her looking at Anthony as hes standing in the middle of the row houses too. Helen was going to be played by Cassie Kramer, the woman who played the Librarian. In the film she is credited as The Librarian and Helen Lyle, but her Helen scenes were completely cut from the film.

[@josevelajr]

@@BTT16 ah, just saw that. Maybe there will be an alternate cut. This little bit would have been just enough fan service and I didn't miss it, but it still would have been cool to see.

[@strangeandinteresting]

I think you're totally right there, that Candyman appears as whoever you think he is based on the origin story you heard first, and if you don't know any specific origin story then he appears as the O.G. Tony Todd Candyman. As for Helen, I'm not sure what happened to her, but part of me thinks she's actually one of the souls that makes up Candyman now?

[@shawngalvin3698]

It also bothered me how Sherman happened to have a hook for a hand, felt too convenient for him to become Candyman but after thinking about it for a few days I'm wondering if maybe he didnt originally have the hook hand or jacket and thats just how the story has evolved over time, maybe he was just a regular guy and the laundry man's memory of him has changed associating him with the story, and thats how Anthony imagines him because thats how the story is told to him.

[@Emily-xk2du]

Before sawing off Anthony's ouchy hand, Burke (Laundry Man) DID say that you have to keep some things the same about Candyman (about the hook), so I can totally see that. Candyman and the story of him having a hook for a hand predated Sherman and his death, so with him reborn as part of that legacy and needing to be consistent with the rest of the Candyman legend, Burke could've changed the details and made it part of the story that he already had a hook before his death. I wouldn't put it past him to fudge the details ;P

[@gravejello1063]

i also thought that Burke was scared as a child because he was hearing the stories about him so his mind ingrained the hook and coat onto the man

[@shadows1192]

as someone who hates when movies are too "Open for interpretation" it was refreshing to have a movie that lays out all its cards on the table. Nia has a message and she does not want to give people a chance to misinterpret her work. Might come across as blatant or in your face, but sometimes, the message is too important for people to be left arguing about what the movie is truly about.

[@knighttoon9993]

I agree, especially with the themes they touch on. I strongly believe that this film would be much more controversial if the themes weren't clearly established.

[@pokemaster1478]

Yea James and Chelsea hit the nail on the head when they were like “this might be like commentary on itself” which is totally is… i totally feel the same way as them and don’t fully appreciate the in your face style of explaining things buuut as someone not really on social media and not following toooo much news something like this always helps put things into perspective for me… fuck racism

[@SKCJaven]

I noticed that when the movie comes on you see the universal and other productions logo backwards as if it was in a mirror or reflection as if we’re looking through the other side of the mirror like we’re candyman

[@kaylieleite6852]

That makes so much sense! I (and everyone else at the screening) genuinely thought the movie was backwards when it started. Good observation

[@anthonyromero9167]

I thought there was something wrong with the movie when this came on the screen. I started to panic thinking that the whole movie was gonna play backwards like that 😅

[@dominiquedevereux7205]

EXACTLY

[@afrolovely]

I could feel this script TRYING SO HARD as I watched. and I was disappointed. Really. As a black horror fan who LOVED the romantic predation of Tony Todd's Candyman (the 1st one, fuck the rest), and a born/bred Chicagoan--I REALLY wanted this movie to win! I wanted to be Candyman's victim again! Did not happen here! But! it looked fucking beautiful. Nia DaCosta and her DP did a wonderful job. That art critic kill for instance, just the set up and the building it took place in, the way she pulled out in silence...is ICONIC. The actors did their absolute best with what was given to them...the body horror REALLY REALLY got me (ew!) AND THAT FINAL ACT? *smh* ....I was just confused and repeating 'what the fuck?!' out loud in the theater. The crazy cult-leader heel turn for Will. Anthony catatonic and mutilated and the FINAL FORM of this new-era Candyman being some hive-headed floating apparition, I didn't care for...but I got it. I enjoyed moments with the writing, and I wanted all of the themes presented to wrap around the story and make a sensical bow-- but not really, not for me. I'm with Chelsea. There wasn't enough visceral lust in this. You had these moments where Anthony knew he was that sexy mf that could charm and seduce... and let's be real, to be living like that with his successful girlfriend he had to be putting it down (loved Brianna's brother's joke about this) ...but nah, I wasn't feeling the ache and the longing and the poetry of the original. Thanks James & Chelsea. We all know you love horror and this horror villain in particular--so if anyone is feeling disappointed, we KNOW it's you.

[@DubiousConsumption]

Speaking of the art critic's building, I absolutely loved the sound design throughout the movie. But that building . . . hearing the fluorescents move past you as they passed over the camera, and the scene when he's walking out of the building (not the art critic's) and the rain is just POURING down . . . it was so masterfully done.

[@PreposterousPotatoe]

Please tell me if I’m out of line, but did you feel the movie was trying to be too “woke.”

[@LaTashaParks-uy8of]

@@PreposterousPotatoe it wasn’t that the movie was trying to be “woke” there is already a message behind the story of Candyman. This movie was never a remake, it was an addition to the story of Candyman, the scariness could’ve been better but I personally loved the movie.

[@afrolovely]

@@DubiousConsumption yesss!! I remember calling out the sound design at THAT moment because of the fluorescent lights. Really amped up the tension. and all those icky sounds whenever Anthony picked his wound made it very very cringe. talented people working this production- it just didn’t seduce me. 😔

[@afrolovely]

@@PreposterousPotatoe hahaha! nah man… that’s fair as a question. I don’t think it was trying to be “woke” but rather trying very, very hard to be on point with a relevant message. it was a lot to manage: “how do we educate/inform audiences who don’t intimately know about this systemic issue without alienating those who live it?” there was a lot of ham (police misuse of force)… and a lot fists (social justice messaging)… thrusted in our face using this artifice of a horror film. And I think the gentrification piece could’ve been shown more than told. IMO “Get Out” balanced the assignment with a little more grace.

[@JearBear1138]

I really like how the opening credits of both movies are opposite. ‘92 Candyman is a zoomed out tracking shot of the highway system from the sky. ‘21 Candyman is a similar tracking shot, but of buildings from the ground level.

[@hauntingtheshadows1331]

I’m a music major in University and I’m so happy to hear you guys like the score for Candyman because I actually studied Phillip Glass in my classes and I wrote an essay on how is minimalist style lended itself to the themes of his movie scores like Candyman and The Truman Show! And this new composer really took the minimalist style to build the opening theme and I love the score for this movie! Like you mentioned about the repetitive style of the music, that’s a very common feature of minimalist music

[@DeadMeatMorgan]

I'm meeting Tony Todd at a convention in October and was planning on asking him his thoughts on the film. He's also doing photo ops in FULL COSTUME which I can't wait for, I think I might explode

[@Jackie-McCann]

LUCKY!

[@Lorenzo12887]

Ahh I'm so jealous 😭😩 Enjoy yourself

[@markyek3234]

Can you please ask him if he'll be in the flash please

[@EvonneLindiwe]

Lucky you.. I’m halfway around the world 🥲

[@SugarSloth]

Enjoy it! I'm super happy that other people are just as excited to meet people like him!

[@AngelofMusic04]

There was actually a great interview with Nia DaCosta where she talked about why the screenplay deals with Teyonah Parris's trauma over her father that deals with how Black women are forced to sidestep their own personal troubles in order to be nurturing and supportive of those close to them who are also suffering from similar dilemmas. Also, I'm convinced DaCosta structured those dreams similarly to the way Luca Guadagnino structured Dakota Johnson's dreams in his "Suspiria" because both sequences are edited in distinctly similar ways and put similar emphasis on sound.

[@dominiquedevereux7205]

That's a good point about Breonna's character.

[@NVRMRE]

A detail I noticed is that Sherman is holding only hard candies, implying that he couldn't have been the one giving kids razor blades. It's impossible to put a razor in a hard candy, you can only hide them in softer candies like chocolate or taffy.

[@mariahwhite727]

The thing with the black characters being so afraid of the Candyman invocation has to do with there being a very well established thing where black people just don't mess with stuff like that. Just a bit of insight for you.

[@mrrictus]

1. Black is a color ,not a race of people. 2. Ummm many many so-called black peoples have experienced or practice the metaphysical. 3. This film was produced as a cash grab targeted towards today's Twitter generation. And is being used to as another tool of societal conditioning.

[@mariahwhite727]

@@mrrictus 1. What are you even talking about..? This isn't the great take you think it is. 2. When I say we "just don't mess with stuff like that," I say that because I (a Black person) have been among a multitude of Black people, and this is mostly a general consensus. (Of course, this doesn't apply to everyone because we aren't a monolith.) 3. Who asked or cares?

[@2x_Rey]

@@mrrictus the first film was like that and the team around this film made several movies like Candyman this Jordan peele we’re talking about and what does “so called black people” mean how you gon drop that in there with no context?

[@Dragonflee100]

Did the movie forget that Helen became a new Candyman

[@2x_Rey]

@@Dragonflee100 That would be hard you need to call helen 5 times not candyman

[@TheSpineRip]

The librarian was played by cassie Kramer who was Helen in the original cut of the film. She can be seen in the first trailer in the church scene. They cut the scene during reshoots and gave her the librarian scene to make up for it

[@PowerCrunchVideos]

There is still just ONE Candyman, every person who dies is possessed by the original Candyman, they're assimilated. Hence the statement: "Candyman's not a he, he's the whole damn hive" Candyman is literally a sentient mythology.

[@freshshrimpproductions6047]

Could it be assumed that this happened to Helen at the end of the original movie?

[@FaeCube]

@@freshshrimpproductions6047 I don't think so. The original Candyman has a pretty clear romantic subtext (which is overt if you consider the deleted/cut from the script kissing scene) where Helen is heavily implied to be some sort of reincarnation of Daniel Robitaille's lover. The first movie, if anything, has him deliberately set her up as her own urban legend, separate from the Candyman mythos, which is shown at the end when Trevor summons her by saying Helen five times, rather than Candyman. The two urban legends are inherently connected, but not the same. tl;dr the original is actually about Daniel Robitaille getting a girlfriend.

[@garyking1986]

I imagine it like The Overlook hotel, where he wears the new Candymen's faces. This explainw why Daniel shows up at the end, since he is the one in control.

[@thatfishguy4991]

My biggest problem with the movie is that the new Candyman has no personality. The eloquent personality Tony Todd brought to the character is what made the first film so great.

[@dajion13]

I wouldn't say no personality, I feel like he definitely has a drastically different physicality and presence that emphasizes the sense of innocence and almost childlike demeanor of the wrongly accused Candyman.

[@kingsman5121]

Exactly if there’s no Tony Todd there is no candyman

[@marquisalloh8731]

Idk I think that’s important because candyman SPOILER WARNING Isn’t just one person and so it makes the character fit it’s purpose more

[@willvermillion1025]

Im confused what do you mean no tony todd, why is he credited as being in the film if he’s not in it?

[@kingsman5121]

@@willvermillion1025 he’s barely there

[@baileymurguia4247]

“Leprechaun was the first to make a re-quel” Texas Chainsaw: am I a joke to you

[@maximilianobartomucci6044]

Evil Dead did it even earlier. The first half of the second movie is a remake of the first one, while the rest of it works as its sequel. In fact, even the first movie is already a remake of the original short.

[@maxthescarecrow4038]

@@maximilianobartomucci6044 Yeah but the term as James describes it is a REBOOT-sequel. Opening of Evil Dead 2 might've REMADE the original Evil Dead but the series was not dormant and it is the first sequel to the movie. Reboot-sequel would be a sequel to the dormant franchise that ignores all other sequels to the original. But if I am not mistaken, Bruce Campbell did use "requel" to describe what Evil Dead 2 did in an interview. So I guess we could either find seperate definitions for the two or clump them both into the term despite one being remake-sequel while the other is reboot-sequel.

[@maxthescarecrow4038]

Oh and not to mention contusion of something like Halloween H20 which James decided to exclude from the definition. Entries in series that follow some sequels but ignore others. But that's sort of the confusing world of movies that we live in.

[@maximilianobartomucci6044]

@@maxthescarecrow4038 yeah, I was thinking precisely about that time Bruce Campbell called it that way. But sure, maybe we need different terms to avoid any kind of confusion.

[@monteestowes1245]

In regards to the Candyman title being reused, it makes sense in the context of this film thematically--the idea of black men in general being the collective Boogeyman. I think putting a sequel number or a subtitle would've taken away from that concept. As far as how I felt about the film, as a black male from the south that has to deal with the internal and external politics of the military and what I am allowed to feel and not allowed to feel because of my service, this film resonated very deeply with me. That said, I had a few issues with some of the editing. That high school bathroom scene felt completely out of order and some of the details with the siblings family felt like it needed to be fleshed out further.

[@Megaproductions302]

I don’t think the bathroom scene was out of order considering that earlier during the art gallery one of the high school girls was there and thought it was a fun idea to try it out with friends. The scene not only results in brutal murders but also shows what Anthony has unleashed upon others in his desperation to be noticed. It shows that not only did his arrogance bring him down but he takes others with him.

[@jackpandora3160]

One thing about Clive that yall didnt mention While you never see his death, when she finds his body hes split from groin to gullet

[@ryanohagan7954]

The lack of an investigation is a major plot hole to me. It would've added to the message with them investigating into the white murders and shown more development in the change into Candyman

[@nevermore7320]

Re: the comments regarding how white Candyman's granddaughters were in the now non-canonical sequels - it would be entirely possible that that could occur, over several generations, if there weren't any other grandparents with Black ancestry or at least much more white ancestry than Black. We had our own byzantine classification system for it here in the U.S., after all, to the point that some families were so ashamed that they had Black ancestors they'd cover it up with claims about being descended from native tribes or simply not acknowledge it at all. Interracial sex between Black and white people, despite being the ultimate taboo in American society up until relatively recently, was a fact of life in both slave states and after Reconstruction. Doesn't explain why Dan Robitaille was trying to get with them, though (seriously, what).

[@dajion13]

Loved the movie up until the ending, I'm not really into the superhero-ish approach to these classic horror characters. I'm on the fence bc I like that we've dropped the pretense of not celebrating the villains, but they've kinda become less villainous as a result. Jigsaw kills corrupt cops now, Candyman fights gentrification, etc

[@pradatune9373]

agree 100%

[@jimmyz2684]

And don’t get me started on the blind guy from Don’t Breathe xD

[@dajion13]

@@jimmyz2684 Haven't seen the sequel yet but if the rapist kidnapper gets redeemed it's already losing points with me lol

[@CornNNNick]

But that not jigsaw but a copycat so it works. Kinda

[@hilariocity__]

@@dajion13 no spoilers, but yeah. I mean they try to, but I don't think anyone bought him as a good guy/Hero

[@Nightmareunicorn7384]

To be honest, ive never been super into podcasts, and im pretty sure this the first FULL podcast ive watched, and i loved it. Definitely gonna see more in the future!

[@Kinglink004]

I love the honesty that you guys have by even saying to check out a black persons review. I definitely enjoyed this movie and can relate to many of the themes within it. I really liked the way they approached it and I love Nia’s eye for the scenes.

[@jasminegrayson8923]

Yassss totally agree!

[@fireblaze1375]

The movie that’s been awaited for over a year is finally here!

[@Xehanort10]

31:15 It's romantic in a dark way especially with Candyman hypnotising Helen then dancing with her. I joked "Ladies get yourself a man who vomits bees on you" at one point.

[@Allonsy305]

I love how the current candyman had a "yellow jacket" and floated.

[@Sharkey1208]

Kid Burke's coat was also a callback to the OG coat and seemed to be foreshadowing for his eventual twist

[@KCDaPo3t]

Anthony getting shot while laying down was the point of the narrative. The point is about the Black men getting killed when they were not a threat. It is also is emphasis on how the story always changes. Helen Lyle's scary story was that she kidnapped the baby and then walked into the burning fire which we all know is not 100% true. When you watch the credits and they are doing the paper shadow of The Candyman that died in the laundry room, the narrative changed there as well. He was already in the laundry room when he was found, he didn't run to the laundry room. And the same with Anthony's shadow puppet. It shows him standing with the hook shadow on the wall when he wasn't. It was to prove a point.

[@Lavonda_]

I like that we don’t see Anthony get shot. Yes, logistically it doesn’t make sense, but it would’ve been too real. I’m happy I didn’t have such a visceral reaction to his death. I literally have access to multiple videos of black men getting shot. Black people in general being harmed. I liked that we don’t see it clearly. We know what happened, it’s enough. Showing it would’ve for sure made my stomach turn. I’ll take the mila-second of confusion when we think she may have gotten shot over that. I do wish we got regular old age Tony Todd at the end. It did look goofy when he talked.

[@josevelajr]

Yup, and Nia DaCosta made it a point not to show it for the reasons you listed.

[@wallcity318]

And i think having him standing and being able to move in a way that can be seen as "threatening" gives the cops an out and gives the audience an opportunity to reason why he got shot. But having him laying down literally in the most vulnerable position, like oscar grant or eric garner. It erases that disillusion

[@_lexi]

really great point

[@thequestion4818]

Cabrini-Green in this movie looks like a film set, like Universal lot type stuff. My friend even turned to me and asked why a building had a bunch if graffiti on the inside but none on the outside.

[@T_R_O_Y_McClure]

I think that ties into the theme of the story. Cleansed and sanitized to the naked eye on the outside while the inside reflects the truth and history that they are trying to suppress

[@yosurushi1427]

That was the point

[@monteestowes1245]

That was the point. When Anthony first visits Cabrini, Will mentions a few of the residents are hold-outs. Aside from what was already mentioned about the symbolism of that dichotomy, Gentrification is a lot easier with a clean exterior that looks relatively safe, as opposed to a rundown exterior that looks rundown. This neighborhood looks exactly like some of my old hangouts in Baltimore and D.C. Compared to even ten years ago, Gentrification has changed some of those areas SIGNIFICANTLY.

[@thequestion4818]

@@monteestowes1245 I'm sorry what

[@monteestowes1245]

@@thequestion4818 the film was shot on-location in the actual Cabrini-Green, as it stands today. Not on a lot. Does that help you?

[@introgeek5278]

With an earlier draft I read about this movie, they had Helen as Candyman and it came across as a little more preachy and on the nose when it came to the police brutality of the movie. In my opinion, this movie suffers in its story and could’ve helped a bit more had they made the movie a bit longer so they could’ve given the movie time to express everything with much more subtlety. The draft I read also had much less death to it but it also didn’t really know who the villain was, Helen or the cops, they tried with both but neither felt like it

[@quinnholloway5400]

Helen being a villain doesn't make sense Vengeful? Yes But a crazy PoC murderer ghost? Nah

[@madelinegarrett7605]

I totally agree it was a typical Jordan peele film

[@introgeek5278]

@@quinnholloway5400 I’m not quite sure what they were trying to do with her but he becomes obsessed with her and the love story element comes back while at the same time, the girlfriend is being attacked by that laundromat bloke

[@Brian5mb]

@@introgeek5278 can you link this draft to me. i feel the movie lacked Helen and Tony Todd, sadly. i do hope theres sequels and theyre brought back.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

@@madelinegarrett7605 This wasn't a Jordan Peele movie!!!!!

[@LagsH]

2:10 what about Texas chainsaw 3D? that did the requel thing too back in 2013.

[@thesoloist2014]

I enjoy the little off-handed reference to CinemaSins without saying "CinemaSins". Ding.

[@tuckershuff1441]

I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one confused by the scene where Anthony is shot. For a moment I wondered if he was ever in the room and was already a ghost because the framing of the shot made it to where his coat blended in with the color of the wall and he wasn't centered in the frame. I at-first thought they shot Brianna, then maybe a still-alive Burke, and it wasn't until she was in the car did I realize that Anthony was shot (without hitting her, somehow). All in all, I liked the movie and the intent behind it, just the execution left a bit to be desired. Also, after watching the movie, I thought it would've been a cool visual if they had Sherman Fields' Candyman slowly morph into the Daniel Robitaille Candyman as Anthony learns more about the latter. Start subtly between scenes, like have Sherman's prosthetic hook become the original Candyman hook and have his white shoes become Daniel Robitaille's black boots, and then when the stuff really hits the fan, have him wearing the big black coat and have the chest full of bees. I think this would really compound the fact that the original Candyman has found Anthony and that there was never any escape. Just an idea.

[@darrellhooker2595]

So, if I had to guess: The framing of Anthony being shot may be bc the movie makes a big deal of not centering Black trauma for entertainment purposes. That's done enough already. With regard to what James and Chelsea questioning the "realness" of the cops shooting Anthony with no warning: go find the video of Oscar Grant being murdered.

[@tuckershuff1441]

@@darrellhooker2595 That also could be an explanation. Good thinking.

[@tuckershuff1441]

@@darrellhooker2595 While I agree with, and support DaCosta's goal of trying not to sensationalize and capitalize on the pain of African Americans, and do believe the scene where Anthony dies was done in a tasteful way (as in it doesn't exploit the disturbing image of police violence in order to get a cheap reaction out of the audience), I just thought of another way they could've done it that would've maintained that goal and been a bit more clear and narratively relevant: shadows. I think showing not Anthony, but his silhouette standing up and then falling down following the sound of a gunshot would get the message and idea across, and be a cool compliment to the theme of shadows and shadow puppets seen throughout the movie. This is just a thought though and you're free to disagree.

[@Kinglink004]

I was so happy to see y’all cover this. Couldn’t wait to hear your take.

[@jackriot100]

I'm glad you guys touched on how the Candyman in this movie acts differently. I hated that. I love the mesmerizing, poetic Candyman from the original. I felt that version of the character works better for the themes of racism. Making him a mindless slasher was a mistake.

[@christopherjohnson577]

Well that's explained by the end by the guy who makes him fully transform into candy man

[@jackriot100]

@@christopherjohnson577 That doesn't make it good

[@bears.beets.battlestargala4678]

Cry about it bro

[@angxlafeld_8567]

Candyman was only poetic because he wanted Helen. He didn’t have that same regard for any other victim in the og.

[@VegasAceVII]

@@jackriot100 you're very right. People seem to believe this movie was good because it's script is saying stuff. Cool but Um... This movie is not just boring, it's not remotely scary. Candyman is so poorly animated and weird looking. Fucking joke.

[@JadenCH2K]

Personally I loved this movie, I do see its faults, but I really hope it does well enough so we can get a sequel or two. More movies in classic horror franchises will always make me more happy over another Purge or Conjuring.

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

Yeah I definitely feel like Purge and Conjuring have ran there course

[@SRHunt85]

Visually, I adored this movie. Me and my friend were on edge the entire time after that first set of kills. I kinda feel like they tried to make the reveal of Anthony being the baby Helen saved be a twist. I think if they never said Anthony’s name, then that would’ve made the reveal more surprising. The instant I heard Anthony’s name, I said “that’s the baby from the first film.” It’s really only shocking if you’ve never seen the first film or you struggle to remember names. I’m not sure if they were attempting to make that reveal surprising, but I feel that if they didn’t say his name until later, then that moment would’ve had a greater impact.

[@Manlaw6]

“Baby’s first kink” is why James is the greatest movie commentator on KZbin.

[@dominiquedevereux7205]

😆

[@jourdynne27]

The dialogue in the opening scene with Troy, Grady, Anthony and Brianna felt like stage writing to me. If you could pluck that scene and plop it in a play setting, I think it wouldn’t be as bothersome, which is why while it’s not my favorite, I can tolerate it.

[@addisonprest7221]

one of my favorite things that really got me in the mood for the movie was that production studios and such have their logos mirrored at the beginning and when we had the title card sequence looking up from the bottom of the buildings that went into the fog it felt like a reverse shot of the title sequence from the og candyman.

[@leeahkay]

Honestly felt lukewarm about this movie. I’ve recommended my friends to view it but overall I felt a little dissatisfied with the pacing. The dialogue with the pretentious art curators/critics was a bit on the nose, but the kills were great and the body horror was shocking. Overall, beautifully shot and a pretty fun time!

[@leeahkay]

Also, I agree that the gothic/romantic feel of the original would not be suitable for the requel but now I’m realizing that may be the factor that made the original feel so special. Or maybe it was just Tony Todd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@ToastimusPrime]

*SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE YET*: For the ending, I kinda was under the impression that Brianna was hallucinating that whole scenario. Only reason I believe that is because when it cut back to Anthony laying on the ground, he was a bit further away from her after the camera zoomed/cut away from Brianna sitting on the floor. But honestly, I really did think at first the police shot at her but when it turned out the Police shot Anthony instead, I was taken out of the movie because if they shot him while Anthony was in Brianna's lap, those rounds would've gone through Brianna's legs and leave her in pain (which would mean that whole scene should've taken placed in an ambulance instead of the back of a squad car). But overall, I thought it was good movie, only up to the ending I felt like it was a bit rushed/not put together well. Still solid 8/10 imo

[@tinkerer3399]

About 8/10 is a good summary. Some people are upset because they were expecting a 10/10. Still a great movie, just not as great as people were expecting.

[@ToastimusPrime]

@@tinkerer3399 I feel that, especially since the first movie was really well put together

[@hellokittycutie2003]

Unfortunately, I agree the end is almost disorientating. This is when the movie really highlights it has multiple writers with possibly, not so compatible styles. It just steamrolls into a finale for a version of Candyman we didn’t get. So we’re left confused, questioning the rules of the urban legend while also getting mollywhopped by the message. Overall, it’s a very, very thin movie 🤷🏽‍♀️.

[@staywoke2467]

I wasn’t really sold with the plot point of their being multiple candyman’s 😕

[@4amlibra]

The fact that there are kids who grew up hearing and telling the story of Candyman without any knowledge of the film whatsoever is so amazing to me, that this made-up urban legend became an actual urban legend in real life, it blows my mind in the best way.

[@DimsumGarbage]

i would like to say, as a black person myself, there is a place for subtle and explicit symbolism and social commentary. it makes me happy, even if others think it’s not handled well, that there’s an attempt to just skip the pretenses and be in your face with these things.. with today’s social and racially tense climate, you kind of have to be direct with some of these things. I do not mind explicit and no-nuance commentary because i feel like it’s not meant for those of us who are aware and active in this knowledge and what to do with it- this is for the people who aren’t knowledgeable at all. Subtlety will fly over the head of someone who wasn’t looking to begin with. Such as with Candyman (2021).. We’re at a point in time where these messages have to be less subtle.. now more than ever. Love your channel, James. just wanted to share my thoughts on movies that handle their themes and messages like this.

[@DimsumGarbage]

i’d like to add that i thought the themes and overall insight was handled wonderfully and i felt rewarded for the things i’ve felt and experienced laces throughout this film. I really loved how the movie handled its messages and commentary.

[@meganbrehm3379]

I actually live in the building that the art critic lives in. That was 100% shot in that building and was dope to see.

[@crowleymacloed1572]

James and Chelsea (I’m sorry if I messed up your name Chelsea) made my day. I’ve been sick and in pain in the hospital from my sickle cell disease. Instant like 👍! Love you guys and thank you for making my day better!!! I can’t wait to hear your opinion on Nia Da Costa’s Candyman. Did you stay for the credits? The shadow puppets at the end credits showing all the other Candymans was a real nice touch in my opinion.

[@dajion13]

I also thought that was really cool. I'm sorry to hear about your situation, sending love from Louisiana♥️

[@enigmaticmind4450]

Hope you make a speedy recovery.

[@crowleymacloed1572]

@@dajion13 thank you 🙏 I’ll be sending prayers for you too! Keep safe during this Hurricane season! Praying for safe travel if you guys have to evacuate!

[@crowleymacloed1572]

@@enigmaticmind4450 Thank you so much! Sending love your way!

[@blindpilot_v1]

I honestly think that the weirdness with the direction re: Anthony being shot in the finale is because the film makers didn’t want their to be any ambiguity with whether or not the cops had any justification in opening fire. The actions of the cops had to be so flawed that it would not be open to discussion.

[@mummeii]

I love you guys’ integrity. It’s amazing and that’s why I’ve been a fan so long tbh

[@lexysue9556]

god damn i’ve missed the pod so much! i love the kill counts and all the other content but watching you guys as a couple talk about something you two so clearly love is so cool. & you both are so intelligent, your dynamic is wonderful. i adore chelsea and see how much she puts into setting up the pod. ❤️

[@Mello_nation]

First review I’ve found very few opinions in common with but that’s cool. I respect the concept they chose to bring candyman to a new audience. They didn’t try to ride Tony’s performance into the ground. They held on to the black struggle of who candyman was without being shot for shot remake. A lot of people didn’t like or get the original candyman when it first premiered.

[@sinstarinablak]

I think one of the big takeaways I had from it is the idea of becoming the monster you're painted as. I really, REALLY loved this film honestly.

[@T_R_O_Y_McClure]

The multiple candyman thing is similar to an idea Robert Englund had about for rebooting Freddy. His idea was there could be slightly different Freddys depending on how the kids heard the story. That way they could bring in different actors without having them have to be compared to his take on it, as well as leaving him an opportunity to be involved as Freddy in a smaller way

[@kevin_ramirez2529]

That would be cool!

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

Calling Nightmare Before Christmas a 'Tim Burton' movie is criminal. Henry Selick is a phenomenal director in his own right and that style is HIS style, not Burtons. As he's proven time and time again.

[@DubiousConsumption]

I got into an argument once with a coworker who said, "So you're telling me that 'Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas' has nothing to do with Tim Burton?!'" I responded that he created the concept and characters, but it was directed by Henry Selick. He never talked to me again afterward.

[@tpspeed]

Speaking as someone that is 1.) Still new to Horror and 2.) Has not ever watched the original Candyman (and is also white): I greatly enjoyed the movie. I loved a lot more of the subtler scares like in the high school bathroom.

[@JordanWheeler1999]

Well if you are new to horror my suggestions are to watch the older franchises before watching reboots, do to new generations aren't great with rebooting everything you may like the older ones but if you don't want to and want to keep up with the media then that's OK. Just Don't be confused as to why people hates the new reboots, because there are reasons for people disliking reboots. Just think what is best for you, fam!

[@tpspeed]

@@JordanWheeler1999 oh yeah, I plan on going back and watching the original after seeing the new one. Didnt mean to come across as putting down the other movies, so my b 😅

[@JordanWheeler1999]

@@tpspeed no, your good fam! i'm just giving you suggestions

[@lancestein3692]

I just got out of the theatre less than an hour ago and I’m commenting this at the very beginning of the episode so I wanna say I couldn’t wait to watch this review it was so perfect that it came out today. And I’m so glad the podcast is back!

[@krhodes866]

I always felt that the reason Candyman took baby Anthony so long ago is that he was reclaiming his son born from his romance with the woman he painted, it seemed like this sequel acknowledged that but I would like more of it cuz Anthony being possessed by Candyman instead of outright killed needs more than just a cutaway line from Burke

[@bradenbusch6086]

I didn't realize that cornhole / bean bags wasn't popular outside of the midwest lol. I've played it all my life in Wisconsin.

[@afonsomonteiro2003]

Watched it yesterday at the cinema with my sister! She's not a big fan of old horror, so she went in completely blind and that probably took away some of the enjoyment, as a fan of the original I thought it was a nice tribute, although Candyman's character lost a lot of his flair :')

[@johnnienewsworthy6758]

I think Nia DeCosta and Jordan Peele did a great job capturing generational trauma and repeating cycles of abuse and violence. I also loved the idea of Candyman going from monster to guardian spirit and all the subtle story telling around the different Candymen. I think the movie just fell apart at the end because you realize it's a story about a story without much of a plot. Maybe that's because 3 people wrote it? That being said, I'd love to see a continuation with a stronger plot.

[@pkakira88]

Anthony shows up as Candyman in the end only after they say his full name "Anthony McCoy" for the fifth time.

[@simplygarbage9951]

Is that true? That's really cool if so

[@SaraBanartist]

That one mayor staying in Cabrini Green for two weeks is the real life version of Mr. Burns eating the three-eyed fish.

[@damienjohn]

Despite the poor pacing, I was surprised by how much I liked this movie! That said I'm a part of the rare never-seen-Candyman-92 camp (planning to rectify that this weekend).

[@Tony_Pesta]

Anthony laying on the ground when he was killed is a major point of the movie. He wasn't a threat, there is no possible way the police could have interpreted him as a threat unless they were entering that room with pre-dertimined motivations. If he was standing, he could have been seen as a threat

[@MsKassandraKotaku]

I cannot express how glad I am that the podcast is back. I really missed this! Edit: If you are looking for another reviewer...Elliot from MovieFiles is a great reviewer! So if you need that other perspective for this movie, I recommend him!

[@ladyanko]

Wanted to point out the opening production credits and how they were mirrored. I think it was a chilling subtle touch. The music I thought was fantastic. I also appreciate that they didn't go full slasher and kill every supporting character. I think a lot of characters weren't average red shirts and the didn't treat them as disposable gore. I think the school scene hurts the movie. Visually it's kickass but it is forcing a slasher aspect that the film didn't have. I love gore so it was a joyride for me. I almost wished that Anthony's skin had been hatching from the wounds it would have been a cool rebirthing kind of thing. Love the channel like always and love how Chelsea is so well researched.

[@Jezski19]

Just checking in, glad to see the podcast return! Gonna listen on Spotify tomorrow during work. Love you guys!

[@Beatnu3000]

Damn, the last time I caught one of these they were still “boyfriend and girlfriend”. Congrats on the engagement you two!

[@arianapadilla9351]

Ooh my family and I just went to see this Sunday night. I'm getting breakfast and plopping back in bed to watch this 😄 Happy Tuesday everyone!

[@lukeycharms]

unfortunately, i also didn't love this movie which sucks because i was really excited about it. most people i know who saw it liked so thought i was in the minority. i just felt like it bit off more than it can chew in terms of social commentary intertwining with the story. very surface level exploration of gentrification. also thought some character beats read as super juvenile. the kid has a traumatizing experience while doing laundry, then as an adult owns and operates a laundromat? is laundry his character trait? seems like a middle schoolers definition of characterization. also the whole high school sequence did feel unnecessary. also, in case you missed it, the reason the girl was at the art exhibit was because of her mom. it was shown for like a second at the end of the scene. i thought teyonah parris was incredible but her side plot about her dad felt like such an after thought. really wish she had more to work with outside of the last 20 minutes. some stellar cinematography and kills though. i thought the art critic's kill was easily the best of the film. so well shot and surprising! that entire scene was great.

[@jazminewilliams8259]

I agree. The social commentary took over more of the film than the scares, and it was 80% of the movie. The Candyman stuff was great, when they did it. But everything else was like,awkward and forced.

[@jonmoree116]

You guys should definitely check out the opening scene from 1992 Candyman. The first woman killed definitely says the 5th "Candyman" after her boyfriend says the first 4. I don't 100% understand the rules, but the splitting of saying his name between 2 different characters was definitely established in the original. Really good insight from Chelsea on the themes in this "requel" 😊

[@Hollywoohorse]

Literally was already watching Christian Movie Reviews when this popped up, fuck yeah perfect timing! Been really curious about this movie 😁❤️

[@IBeenOnHots]

I was watching that before i went to bed and woke up to this !

[@bchristopher7584]

ive gotten addicted to your channel lately. good energy on this podcast from both of you

[@DeadMeat]

Thank you!

[@AceWildOfSpades]

when James looked so thought full about being able to restore that mural, sadly this crap happens all the time its genuinely painful as an artist to watch historical murals and art pieces just destroyed for reasons so stupid like "it'll make the land more profitable" I truly hope that the mural can be restored. Its so so painful art will always be more important to a building if anything it tells more story than old building since art is another language anyone can understand, a form of wordless understanding.

[@Xehanort10]

1:08:08 Actually in the original the guy in the girl's story at the start says Candyman 4 times and the girl says it the 5th time, turns the light off and gets killed by Candyman. So it's not that one person has to say it 5 times necessarily but it just has to be said a total of 5 times so 5 people saying "Candyman" once would probably summon him.

[@santiagovazquez1167]

Thank you James and Chelsea for making our days better!!

[@withencroftindustries3626]

I enjoyed hearing your takes on the film. There were certainly things in this movie that I hadn't thought about that you guys talked about. I love how thoughtful this was. The almost 2 hour episode of discussion is fine with me. It feels like hanging out and talking with you guys about the movie. I love it. I love how drawn out this is, going over so many aspects, bringing up many issues that honestly I hadn't even thought about. I think for my first watch of films I typically just let myself get drawn into it and absorbed and take a break from my analytical side. (I do know a lot about special effects so sometimes I get really picky about things like prosthetics, so I get how you guys being so scholarly about film, the writing is often something that throws you, or is noticeable.) I agree that the extra 10-15 minutes, minus the highschool scenes could have helped the film flesh things out more for the ending to play better. (obviously, we need more Tony Todd. Just give us 10-15 more minutes of Tony Todd, lmao) Great episode!

[@joshnunya324]

It wasn't even a remake It was a hell of a sequel William and Anthony's art "girlfriend" needed more backstory

[@sheren_b]

44:20 based chelsea lol im glad you touched on the chicago-ness of the movie bc its something i feel a lot of hesitance now that productions dont utilize their setting enough, its probably bc of production costs (tho these lots of stuff filmed in the city constantly) but i wish movies definitely kept their settings in mind especially somewhere so rich in environment like chicago, i had this feeling for trial of the chicago 7 too where it completely Lacked any sense of the city beyond the name, also where i first say yahya and knew he was gonna have a big career. also a small correction i do have is the shadow puppets are done by manual cinema tho the style is definitely reminiscent of kara walker's work

[@revkun]

I had the same issues as James I felt like the social commentary was way too overtly used and felt extremely unnatural to me. however I do love the themes of artist exploitation and the importance of remembering the horrors and terrible events of the past. Also I love the cinematography and score of this movie it looks and sounds beautiful and I love it. I also like the urban legend angle they took with the movie of having this story less of a tragic story of revenge but more of a sinister evil that curses the city of Chicago its very interesting.

[@HatCreature]

While I do enjoy social commentary I also felt it was away too strong and forced at times. I enjoyed everything but that and it leaves me torn because I want to say I love it but the social commentary leaves a bitter taste and I don't think I'll watch another Jordan Peele film after this. The message wasn't hard to tell as hundreds of films have done it, not sure why he chose to do it so blatant.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

@@HatCreature wait wait this wasn't Jordan Peele, he didn't make the movie, he produced it. Please check out his other movies because yeah this isn't like him at all, whereas Nope is really far more subtle and I highly recommend.

[@SuperBookworm3]

@1:44:35 I straight cackled “I don’t think you know how to count…I think we have a problem here”

[@jadedk1tten]

I need candyman directors cut for sure. So many trailer scenes weren't in the movie and I hope some more ideas got a little more fleshed out.

[@stepharoth]

30:44 a hook, James? Coincidence? 🤣 Love how y'all are willing to say that your opinions are your own and reflect your own experiences and aren't the be all end all. I also felt like some of the little threads of plots maybe didnt fully bloom out the way they could've and I hadnt considered the possibility of multiple writers trying to compromise being why. Still a really good movie though and I'm looking forward to seeing more from Nia!

[@IconicGwimbly]

I thought Tony Todd was gonna be in the whole movie and it was super lame to see that he’s only in it for literally the last 20 seconds of the movie.

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

Just watched this with my sis and IT HAD ME THE WHOLE TIME! LOVED THIS AND THE REVEAL AT THE END??? THEY HAD SOME MARVEL ENDGAME SPOILER PROTECTION CUZ I WAS SO MAD ABOUT TONY TODD NOT BEING IN THE MOVIE

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

@💋 Sweety Hotgirl • Vlogs YES!Exactly! Especially with the ending!it make TOTAL sense to do that so I had no issue. I need someone to gush about the ending "beat him unrecognizable" scene because it still gets me to this day

[@thesaint8141]

Saw it last night, was blown away by this movie. Incredible sequel. It's a slower burn compared to most modern horror and the ending feels just a little rushed, but good lord the tone and suspense through this movie is incredible along with the cinematography.