Canon 5D Mark III vs. Nikon D800 Part 2 with Mike Drew

[@Mrlolibre]

For all the people bitching about how this specific scenario test is too biased towards the Canon........ you do realize that part one was a test in a controlled studio environment.

[@CowboyFrankHarrell]

Old video but this is the kind of shooting I deal with all the time. I have been very happy with my D800, major improvement over the D700. I had to shoot one rodeo in an indoor arena where every single lamp in the ceiling was a different color. After a while I gave up trying to set a custom balance and just went with what ever results came out. I shoot entirely in JPG, primarily because I do very little post processing and my photos are used almost exclusively either on the Internet or for media publication.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

Exactly! Mike Drew is an extremely well respected photojournalist, and he explained exactly why he shoots the way he does in the video.

[@burto]

Chris and Jordan on another level with the ability to have interesting, thoughtful, and practical reviews time and time again. Beter than just about everything on the interwebs.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

Part III is on the way! Due to scheduling issues, the video tests will be shot on May 13th, and posted shortly after. We are putting up one more video in the interim, which has been hugely requested. Thanks for your patience. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@lasvegasbound2012]

Agreed. Well done. This guy really shows the real world testing of a camera or against its competitions. Not just this particular video. Im trying to determine between these two models and this really helped

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

Part 1 was a studio test. We can certainly put both cameras against each other, as they are current entry level Full Frame cameras from the two largest DSLR manufacturers. We went out with pros we respect to see how the cameras could handle their shooting style. Mike's job as a photojournalist dictates he shoot JPEG. So we shot that way. Also, we compared the D800 to medium format cameras TWICE in other videos. Dynamic Range is discussed in part 1 of the series.

[@miller33625]

Big thanks to TheCameraStore! This is a very realistic situation for my kind of shooting and this is exactly what I was looking for.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

There was a low light RAW comparison in the first video with Nathan Elson. Basically, the D800 had much more detail in High ISO, but more noise and the 5D III had less noise but much less detail. I'd take the D800 for RAW, since you could always remove noise at the expense of detail, but not the other way around. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@br33ishere]

I like the guy you chose to interview, and help you demonstrate the camera's capibility. :) He seems really down to earth! Awesome review video.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

It wouldn't, unless we were doing long exposures with the top LCD illuminated for long periods. Basically, this will be an issue for astral photography and very long exposures where people use the top LCD illuminator. Our test just showed very fast exposures, where the LCD was not illuminated, as Mike was looking through the viewfinder. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

We agree but if we are going to do a comprehensive review between these two cameras we gotta test these cameras out of their comfort zones. We knew the Nikon D800 wouldn't be able to keep up with the Canon but it actually does handle itself decently in action situations especially in terms of focusing. Chris @ The Camera Store

[@ts13a141]

Great vid and Mike was awesome. It's really nice to see actual working professionals in videos like this.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

We certainly could have, but with all three videos clocking in at 58 minutes long, we had to limit the number of tests we did. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@ristovainio]

Really informative real world stuff. And special respect to Mike Drew, what a nice sensible guy!

[@Brentcallow]

does anybody else think that the shot of the horse and the rider at 12:27 is absolutely hilarious. the facial expressions are amazing.

[@petrvokurek2286]

Love your videos and especially this combination of the two of you. Mike is such a great no- nonsence guy! So refreshing next to all the pixel peepers and chart shooters :) thanks!

[@AmateurPhotographerTV]

With this camera, Canon says they've listened to feedback from existing users and claim to have improved performance in every area. Do you think this is the case?

[@photographe06]

Excellent. For once no pixel peeping, but real guys using cameras in real conditions. Very fair discussion, no fan boys. A real pleasure.

[@jeylful]

Great review, thanks for it. I've just bought a Nikon D800 and really like it, even though I am just discovering it (coming from a D90). Regarding the quality of the JPGs, there are few options to adjust this: Image quality (Basic, normal or fine) and also JPEG compression (Size priority vs. Optimal quality) so I am sure that the quality could be enhanced if required.

[@thetruthrevealing]

You guys just take camera reviews through the roof.Awesome video.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

We're actually hoping to have the venerable Rob Galbraith for our D4 vs. 1DX shootout. But I'm sure Mike will be back. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@ShawnWagar]

Brilliant review guys, between the 2 videos so far, it answered far more questions than any other videos I've seen. And besides, Chris is is a beautiful man.

[@fatbaldandhappy]

Kudos on putting the specs and lab tests aside. Real world situational analysis is SOOOOO much more valuable and helpful to most of us. One common message that keeps coming across is that they're both very very good. If you're vested in one brand with lenses, flashes, etc. you'll be happy with that brand's latest and greatest.

[@G4MER]

Honestly, you guys have the best video reviews on KZbin. I can't stop saying to any photographer (pro and amateur) to follow you. 1 Like is not enough, seriously.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

I think his decades of employment by major papers, as well as the quality of his work make Mike a 'good pro'. As mentioned in the video, he doesn't have the time to process the amount of files he shoots, and he finds the processing on these new cameras to be so good, he rarely misses the extra information that RAW files offer. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@jiridvorak]

This is one of best test-video I´ve ever seen

[@John_21601]

Great review for part II - got to watch the other two now. Thanks for doing this.

[@baldassare01]

Mike is such a cool guy. the photographer makes a whole lot of difference.

[@jcax44]

excellent review. looking forward to the third instalment. thanks.

[@raouf.604]

best camera reviews on youtube period. Keep it up.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

Part 3 was briefly delayed, but we're back on track now. It's the tough thing about real world tests... we need a shoot! Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@biffy7]

Guys, thanks for taking

[@Pete292323]

nice, detailed, professional review, best i have seen so far on the internet. Good job guys.

[@iSOBigD]

Great review, guys. I think people forget that not everyone will buy a camera for fast-moving scenes and another for portraits. You might wanna use your only $3000 camera for everything, and this gives you a great idea on how it'll do in any situation.

[@gost]

God bless you! You are the first person from the whole damn internet who understands my point of view. At first I thought that Nikon had made a piece of trash. After I saw the dynamic range (#1 in the world) and color depth of D800 it became my dream. Hassels are in big trouble. I hope I will have D800 before the next shooting.

[@arimoganraj4098]

Good job guys, finally got to see the real world testing. Nice!!!

[@kanwarsingh7508]

Excellent review. Good to see a real photographer just doing his job with camera, unbiased ,honest review excellent helped allot and Thank you sir'

[@dportass]

slightly cringing with how they are resting the lenses on their legs at around 9:30, praying they had filters to protect the front elements :)

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

That's our mascot, the NiccollsLada. You can see it in the X-Pro1, Brutal SD Card Test, and Making Of F-Stop Ridge videos. Chris wants to be buried in it, a distinct possibility given its safety record. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

It would be fantastic! Great low light, and the best AF of any camera I've used. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@saintly007]

My friend, read the title and listen to the video before you post. This is part two. All about the JPEG for fast transfer file through email and the easiness for printing. AWB are those who have to shoot on the fly and don't have the time for doing these little adjustment. As for colour depth and DR, those were shown at Part 1. I strongly suggest you watch part 1.

[@Prince_Charming_1]

Great job with the comparison between the two great cameras. Keep up the great work! Love your techniques of testing under different light circumstances.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

There is a 200mm F2 available in both systems, but that is very limiting for the kind of shooting we were doing. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@brendanwagner3407]

Thank-you Jordan@caméra Store

[@ReclusiveMountainMan]

I stayed away from the D600, too, for that same reason. Just no excuse for that camera to spray oil/dust/dirt on the sensor. I hope Nikon admits the problem. That said, I just picked up a D800e, and was worried about the left-focus issue, the green tint to the screen, and the dust issues on a $3000+ camera, and I have to say my camera is spot on. They have fixed the green tint issue, the dust/dirt issue, and the left-focus problem seems to be fixed on newer models. Congrats on your 5DMKIII!

[@professormikeadams]

Thank you Camera Store for the excellent videos - I just got my D-800 yesterday and I am actually reading the manual. I have many Nikon prime (read old) lenses. Good job, very good production values!!

[@Favk21]

I don't know did the reviewers realize that D800 is aimed (mainly) for studio photographers. Comparing it to the Mark III, which is slightly more expensive and has better fps, sure it performs better at outdoors! In the noice performance comparison, the picture resolution difference should be taken into account. These reviews are nonetheless a joy to watch. The field tests are awesome way to show performance!

[@niccollsvideo]

We certainly expected that the Canon would outperform the Nikon in action action based photography, and that the Nikon would deliver more megapixels and better low light quality in studio situations. These two camera are the big sellers right now though and the closest competition between Nikon and Canon so we wanted to put them against each other in many situations and just see where the chips fall. We really appreciate your continued support and are glad you're enjoying the videos.

[@Island-pool]

Love shooting in low light with slower shutter ..blur gives sense of motion and dynamics.

[@G4MER]

I only have a question, Im a Canon guy and I'm trying to figure what's the best Picture Profile to use in your opinion? At this moment I'm using a "customized" neutral with more sharpness than the normal.

[@pauchara]

Quick question! Can I record Video on SDXC card but not CF card? Cause there are 2 codecs. Will SDXC handle ALL-I?

[@lolsa123]

my computer is 2 months old and is quite the monster ;) i am not much for video recording, but i do like taking photos in different situations, i do travel when i can but it is not too often i am afraid. feels a bit like it is weighting on the d800 side ;)

[@Kverna8]

What would it look like if you resized the D800's picture down to 5D's size ? Surly more noise will be visible when in larger size ? Just a thought :)

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

The legendary Chris Niccolls.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

We're filming it filming right now. We'll get it online ASAP. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

Part III is video. I see Bill all the time though, I'll see if he'd be interested in a video. But don't worry, a D800 landscape video is in the works. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@saintly007]

Wow, you went to the DigitalRev video to get that comment. Good for you. And you also mention that I work a store where I sell these camera. That's still true too as that is my part-time job and still is. But now I work in a photo studio as well. I've been using the Nikon camera for a while now. But it seems you cannot fathom someone may have two jobs.

[@GreatCanadianChinese]

Don't have to wait for the Part III The crisislab's channel has already given a great review

[@windycitywingchun3138]

guys really appreciate this comparison... thanks again

[@bikuda]

Excelente comparación, muchas gracias por vuestro tiempo en compartir este excelente material Saludos desde Puerto Vallarta, México

[@Greg_the_Berean]

Very well made video review/comparison! I thoroughly enjoyied watching this in Nov of 2017 haha. Keep up the amazingly straight forward work! Thank you, Greg

[@Robbinio2]

what lenses were you using with the cameras? Just out of interest?

[@PT111111]

Because in photojournalism, the content of the photo is more important than the quality of the photo. They also explained in the video how they shoot in hundreds and even thousands, processing such high quantity of RAW files would be too time consuming and impractical. It would also be very expensive to buy a lot of CF cards and a waste of time swapping them during a shoot.

[@mdrewpix1]

Although the situation isn't typical for most people, it is typical for photojournalists. And no, we didn't seek a win for the Canon. We looked for a situation that would combine fast action with low light. This was literally our only choice. Both cameras handled it well, especially with autofocus. I wouldn't hesitate to use either one. If you can shoot decent pictures of a galloping horse in light like this then you should be able to shoot any wedding with full confidence with either camera.

[@cj212121]

Where is the third part????...really interested in seeing how they compare in video

[@HessePhoto]

The 1000X card does approx 150MB per second and consequently keeps up much better than shown on this video. Further, the D800 is not a low light camera, obviously a 24 megapixel sensor will do better in low light, but the d800 in good light or especially with long exposures is AMAZING!

[@Favk21]

Yes you are right! My point was that the noise comparison should have been done about the same way as in DigitalRevCom video "Nikon D800 vs D4 - Which one is right for you". Watch from 10:26 onwards... and you'll see what I mean. But yeah, a minor "issue", not a biggie.

[@ChristosTsitselis]

Nice video. Thanks for this real life comparison of these cameras

[@kenf3299]

It definitely matters. I do understand your point that cameras, at their core, are about capturing light and all do that. If you actually watched the video, using a ridiculous studio light setup isn't feasible in 99% of outdoor work. Now the camera makes a huge difference. A full frame with a fast lens and high (accurate) ISO capable sensor is going to be the deal maker. Composition is what can separate a pro from a kid with a rebel, but when two pros shoot, the camera decides who wins.

[@odedia]

Ofcourse not. Your reply has nothing to do with what I wrote. I was simply pointing out that the frame rate on the D800 can be better than stated in the video, that's all. If you've got Canon lenses, get the 5D Mark III, it's a great camera. If you have no just one kit lens and consider upgrading (like myself), then this is very important information that was dropped.

[@capdevilasola]

How many parts of this comparision are you going to release?

[@sreejinair]

Is the green tone fixed on the LCD yet? heard its only in some batch

[@bcsarmaa]

I'm not a pro and everyone's work habits are different. One group of pros who probably would shoot JPEG are photojournalists. Imagine that you have to cover an event and get the pictures to your editor in time for the publishing deadline later that night. That extra step of sorting through and processing RAW files may not fit within deadline or be necessary for the resolution requirements of your newspaper or website. I agree that things like fashion or product photography = RAW

[@XGlite015]

How does the recent 5D mark III light leak issue play part in this test? Just wanna know how much it affects the image quality.

[@xzotyqa]

thx for the stills comparo it will be interesting to see the video comparos too. also just recently read from Philip Bloom his retake on the 5DMkIII's video if 'sharpness filter' is applied in post... it reveals a much more interesting video than if applied to the older 5DMkII.

[@EmotionSideUp]

thx for the reply and info! Can't wait to get my D800.

[@iggygeeproductions]

Thanks guys. Enjoyed the video. No I am not a pro and your video is exactly the kind of info I find useful. I have a t3i and will upgrade to a D5 as soon as $3K falls out of the sky onto my head. I do like Canon's warmth and understand the Nikon fans yell "oversaturation" a lot. I like extra sugar in my coffee.

[@hawg427]

I wish Canon would charge the same as Nikon does with the 800. Great video series guys. I've been a Nikon & Blad "film" guy since my old Photo school days but THIS Canon Mk III may change me over to Canon, for digital that is.

[@pauchara]

Lets say I want to use SanDisck 45MB/S Extreme 64GB card? It is pretty cheap or does CF card 133X would be much better?

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

See part 1 for a RAW comparison. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@superemoboyz]

both of these are great cameras, i'm a nikon guy, but from watching this i have realized that i need to be open to both instead of picking a side.

[@Buraken]

Why didn't these guys use the 1.2x crop on the D800 to get 5FPS? You will be 1fps short of the Mark III which is unnoticeable, but you would still have more detail and larger images than the Mark III.

[@jessicagrossman1032]

Is there any chance we could do a similar comparison now that the D810 is out? My pals love Canon and although I cut my teeth on Nikon, the Canon seems better. Can you check if the D810 upped the ante?

[@scottverge938]

It's very common for sports and newspaper photographers to shoot in jpeg. They don't have the time to upload hundreds to thousands of raw images and then tweak them. It also helps with buffer performance. Your not shooting if you're waiting for your buffer to clear in the middle of an important game you don't have time for that.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

Sure, but it didn't exist when we made this video! Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

[@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy]

I believe it's got a 20mp mode, that would be a better comparison to the Canon. I don't think that increases it's framerate any though, but perhaps it's write speed. You only get 6 fps when shooting in DX mode.

[@house4b4]

In your opinion which camera is best for wedding work?

[@TheM0j0E]

do you know there is an option on the d800 to have a "warm" auto white balance. maybe then the colors would match more on the screen

[@tanvirhasan1339]

Can you please make a comparison video between Nikon D7100 & Canon 70D ?? Which one will be better for photography ??

[@odedia]

Regarding frame rate complaints: You could have set it to 1.2x crop mode and get 5fps out of it, which still bits the resolution of the 5D mark 3, generates smaller files and thus the buffer wouldn't have filled up so quickly. You could also have attached a battery grip and get 6 fps in DX mode which is 15 megapixels - more than enough for the type of photography you were doing (D800 + battery grip costs less than a 5D Mk 3). In this respect, the D800 is just more versatile than the 5D Mark 3.

[@c2thew]

loving this series, but I thin for your next test, you might want to set white balances to match beforehand to do a better comparison. I personally stopped using AWB after understanding how different color temperatures affected my workflow.

[@mikeismad61]

A really good real world review with a total lack of BS (so rare on U Tube) as a user of BOTH Canon & Nikon I'd be happy to give either (or both) a home but the auto white balance on the Canon would swing it for me if I could have only one. Thanks for posting. Really interesting.

[@mrlennybruce]

Hi, interesting info... Canon has a slight edge over Nikons in jpeg image processing in high iso's, but the reason the RAW files look good is cuz you're opening them in Adobe Lightroom. It's not Nikon's processing, or Canon's processing thats making the difference, it's Adobe's processing. When you import RAWs into Lightroom, some amount of chromatic noise is already discarded. Toggle on and off the 'sharpening' adjustment in Lightroom to understand this better.

[@manicworks]

Top notch review guys. I'd like to see one on the new Canon 600EX flash vs Nikon SB-910 flash in different outdoor lighting situations.

[@odedia]

One comment about the frame rate complaints on the D800: You could have set it to 1.2x crop mode and get 5fps out of it, which still bits the resolution of the 5D mark III, generates smaller files and thus the buffer wouldn't have filled up so quickly. You could also attach a battery grip and get 6 fps in DX mode which is 15 megapixels - more than enough for the type of photography you were doing. In this respect, the D800 is just more versatile than the 5D Mark III.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

I think we may have to when the next camcorder review comes around.

[@saintly007]

The D800 they were using isn't broken and the working ones do have the green screen problem. All of them do.

[@freddieslaughter1107]

Have you had any problems with the focus on the Nikon D800?

[@XGlite015]

What did you mean the Nikon beat up the Canon this round? This video obviously makes the Canon the winner, just slightly because of the faster speed and buffering and the white balance as seen in the test. The 5Dmark III also won the high ISO test in JPEG whereas the Nikon slightly won the high ISO test in RAW file in the previous test. They're trying not to be bias by saying you can't go wrong with both cameras.