Canon R6 Mark II: IBIS is a DEALBREAKER?

[@35259edgarboudaher]

The RF lenses communicate faster and better with the RF bodies especially for stabilization. Od suggest trying out the rf zooms like the 24-105mm f4, 24-70mm 2.8. Canon should put more IS options to phase out wobbles situations.

[@NadroJize]

Thanks for the honest review man. One question, it’s possible to turn of the IBIS and use just the stabilisation for the lens? I’m looking to buy a R6MkII paring with 24-105L. Do you still have wobble effect turning off the IBIS? Thanks

[@davidjorozco]

@@NadroJize appreciate that! With RF lenses the stabilization switch on the lens turns on the stab in lens AND in the body. They are coupled unfortunately when using RF lenses with stabilization and you can’t control them independently. With EF lenses however you can control the different stabilizations independently. And with IBIS off I have not seen any wobble at all. I’m actually posting a Yosemite video soon all shot handheld with IBIS off and stabilized in Davina Resolve. Hope that helps!

[@NadroJize]

@@davidjorozco Thank you for the reply man. So if I buy a Canon R6MkII and use the lens mentioned, turning off IBIs and using a gimbal that’s will be ok? I saw a video that even with photo modo, if you burst some photos, you gonna get some wobble. I’ll try to rent this set one day and run a couple of tests. I appreciate your reviews man, amazing content you have! Cheers from 🇧🇷❤️

[@davidjorozco]

That’s interesting I have not tested out in photo mode whether you would see this. IBIS off on a gimbal you should definitely be good. I’ve been using it with IBIS off just handheld and stabilizing on post and getting good results. Hope that helps!

[@CowlinLyvers]

When you get a full-frame camera, you should know sensors on full-frame cameras are harder to stabilize. Smaller sensor cameras have better IBIS performance. There are trade-offs. Bigger sensors can be better, in low light, for example, but if you want the best stabilization for handheld video, get Micro Four Thirds.

[@rne1223]

That was one hell of a review sir. The story, sound design, the message. Everything was on point 👏👏👏.

[@davidjorozco]

Thank you for that my friend 🙏

[@AllenRReid]

I use the R5 for work and my personal camera is the R6 Mark II which I use a lot as well. I seem to get better photos from my 6, but it could be operator error. I haven't noticed the wobble you are talking about for video, but I'll be on the lookout.

[@davidjorozco]

The photos it produces are beautiful and the AF system should be better than the R5 since it’s inherited from the R3 (R5 is still pretty good). The wobble really shows up in any tracking shots with just the mechanical IBIS on for me at 24mm or wider. Appreciate you sharing!

[@eightfoldstories-weddingfi8022]

​@@davidjorozcowould you say that any lens such as 35mm and above doesn't suffer from this issue? I am planning to shift to the r6ii. And this is the only issue that seems like a deal breaker

[@JamalPhoenix]

Lol trust me you'll almost never notice this problem ​@@eightfoldstories-weddingfi8022

[@block4513]

Dave, thanks for your review. I have the R6 Mk 2. I believe it wobbles with wider lenses. I do wish Canon would address this issue. Possibly with a firmware update.

[@davidjorozco]

Yep, 24mm and wider. Unfortunately the R5 II wobbles still as well albeit it seems like they have been able to control it via software a little bit more but still there. I’m with you I wish they would do SOMETHING.

[@tecnogadget2]

The wobble is caused by the IBIS and the lens distortion. Its physics

[@alexvancampenhout]

David, this is so thoughtful and well said. I feel like you're in my head hahaha I've been in this exact same place for the past year or so. I have the Sony A7IV I've made some of the best video I've ever shot, butttt I don't feel inspired when I pick up the camera. Whereas with Canon's, something about them, just makes me excited to use. Again, so well said - subscribed!

[@davidjorozco]

It’s such an interesting place to be, logic conflicts with feel. It’s tough man, glad it resonated with you!

[@papa.alfredo]

Very nice video, well done, it seemed to me that I was watching a reportage or a film! Great colors and your narration is also very nice! many greetings from Germany, Alfredo.

[@davidjorozco]

Thank you so much Alfredo!

[@p_adam19]

May I suggest to re-test an RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM, lens IS + IBIS super stable handheld (no other camera maker provides this) From this focal length upwards, I can't see any wobble at all.

[@davidjorozco]

I was just thinking about that today, will definitely test with that. My gut is telling me that IS plus being 35mm helps a lot. 24mm and wider is where I’ve mostly seen wobble.

[@tvr9757]

@@davidjorozco Hey there....If you manage to test pls update, looking into 24 , 35 and 85 with Is also....

[@Lathrop_Media]

I just tried the bmcc 6k full frame after using r8 (same sensor as r6ii without ibis), and r7 with ibis. It wasn't super hard to match them and clog has tons of exposure flexibility, but the braw image definitely looks better under almost all circumstances when propely exposed, and it is really really fun to use, let alone being easier to grade in any direction. Also, it's really easy to focus with the assist tools. Your footage looks wonderful here, no question!

[@davidjorozco]

BRAW is one of those that has that “magic” in it without a doubt. I’ve always loved BRAW footage and the look it gives. Appreciate the comment!

[@NECPER]

Thanks for a good, honest review. I don’t have the R6m2 yet. I have a R7 and my glasses are all RF. I really experience very good video stabilization with R7 and one of my RF lenses. I’m just standing by to see what the coming Canon cameras has to offer before I choose my next full frame camera. Thanks for sharing your video.

[@LM8Gaming]

Great video! I hope that's something canon addresses is in the future with their Hybrid mirrorless cameras. I originally was going to go for a R5C for it's video capabilities as I'm a hybrid shooter myself, but I think I'll be able to get a LOT more accessories with the money left over if I go with the R6mII. The quality in your videos is that of a channel with millions of subscribers. I wish you an amazing journey going forward, David!

[@davidjorozco]

Wow those are incredibly kind words, thank you. 🙏 I’m hopeful that the R5 II will solve this “wobble” issue. I’ve yet to try the R5C but really do love the still & video quality that comes out of the R6 II. Appreciate the kindness & happy creating!

[@vldmr3]

Thank you for making this review! In the part of the video where you were shooting in Yosemite, you mentioned that R6II dynamic range was not as good as Sony's (A7IV). Were you referring to photo or video? I'm choosing between these two cameras and I mainly do photo. From your experience, how far apart are they in terms of photo dynamic range? Do you enjoy editing photos from either camera more than the other? Thanks!

[@davidjorozco]

This is a great question. As far as whether I was referring to photo or video, I was referring to both. For video it’s no surprise that Slog3 has more DR than Clog3. You see it mostly in the blacks and highlights and for me more significantly in heavy grading. For photo it’s more significant, to the point where it was the first thing I noticed. Highlights tend to blowout much more quickly. Surprisingly, or maybe not, I actually like the end result from Canon much quicker when the same grades/edits are applied mainly in skin tones. Sony can get there but it gets very tedious whereas Canon’s is still better. For perspective this is at a minute level, I’ve delivered both cameras to paying clients both photo and video and think for KZbin, photo work, and portraits/weddings they are more than good enough. For photo I prefer the R6 II. For higher level video production I lean towards the Sony and feel more comfortable with the Sony. Hope this helps!

[@wearetrackclub]

Nice review, David! Really helpful info! 🙌

[@davidjorozco]

Glad it helped!

[@oh.yaz.please]

The pups and the hummingbirds!! 🥹♥️♥️♥️ great video!

[@davidjorozco]

🥹🥹🥰

[@bsant7]

Great video ! Were you shooting in rec.709 or in CinemaGamut?

[@davidjorozco]

Thank you and great question: I was using canon cinema gamut as the color space in camera!

[@kevin-sj3wt]

why your video description cannot be viewed at full??

[@frankfeng2701]

You should definitely check out S5ii that was designed primarily for video and has great IBIS.

[@davidjorozco]

This and the S5iix are definitely on my radar, feels like these don’t get as much love on social as the FX3/A7iv does.

[@MarcusSortijas]

@@davidjorozcoIf you do get a Panasonic S5IIX, it’s worth knowing about the Sigma MC-21 Canon EF-L lens adapter. Lets you use EF lenses on Panasonic full-frame cameras. I’ve considered getting a Panasonic S5II or S5IIX for video as well. I have a Canon EOS R I love for photos, and have been wondering which camera to get for video.

[@greenlightstudios3469]

I never considered the r6Mii a good upgrade to the r6. But yeah the Dynamic range is my only gripe, the r7 is better in DR. The a7IV is the best solution for hybrid for incredible video and photo specs. But that being said, the canon video in good light is phenomenal. In a controlled environment it is beautiful. The R6 and R6ii are state of the art photography camera, no doubt.

[@davidjorozco]

Totally agree, well said friend.

[@sakhiwomthunzi]

R6 MKII is way better than the R6, maybe not enough to justify the upgrade but the no overheating, dedicated video switch, was worth it for me. I really think they should have included 4K 120, that was a missed opportunity. Overall great camera.

[@greenlightstudios3469]

@@sakhiwomthunzi I guess I just wish it had better dynamic range, that would have sealed the deal for me

[@sakhiwomthunzi]

@@greenlightstudios3469 I get you. I primarily use it as a b cam to my C70, so most of the time it’s really about getting a passable secondary angle for me which also takes stills. However majority of the stuff I shoot are indoor with artificial lighting

[@kennlw5]

Great video my solution has been to use my homemade isteady MT2gimbal it is so small and power and with the tracking it’s a perfect combination

[@andrewcvisuals]

Are you sure it wasn't the lens or firmware or something? I'm having a hard time recreating this issue.

[@davidjorozco]

@@andrewcvisuals I’ve triple checked everything. Happens with ibis on at 24mm and wider. I’ve used EF and RF lenses with and without lens stabilization. What lens(es) are you using?

[@KatieF307]

I guess I have been shooting both video and stills long enough that I remember when you had no choice but to have a separate camera for each purpose. I get the fact that there are limitations with the R6 and video. Heck, it is a 2000-2500 dollar camera. If I wanted to shoot really good video with better image stabilization and image quality, I would consider using a Sony FX6 at a minimum for robust video capability. Even if I was using the Sony ecosystem, I would still use a camera for stills, and a dedicated video camera for video. One thing you may want to look at regarding the wobbling in the corners, I seem to recall something about shooting wide with a zoom lens. Try a different focal length. That may help.

[@davidjorozco]

Completely agree with you and this is typically what I do for paid work. There’s a good chunk of people though when they first get started want to do everything with one camera and/or create content for themselves in a run & gun style and maybe can only afford one camera to start. Plus the A7iv can do exactly this. The using different focal lengths is a great point I didn’t mention. If you go to 35mm it almost all but goes away and by 50mm I think it’s likely gone in my experience.

[@khaleel898]

You mean the video wobbles even when the IBIS is off??

[@davidjorozco]

@@khaleel898 no not when it’s off. It wobbles when using the internal stabilization both mechanical & using the digital stabilization in camera. RF lenses specifically the RF 24-70 2.8 with stabilization will wobble at 24mm. But turning it all off stops the sensor wobble. That’s how I’ve been using the camera.

[@khaleel898]

@@davidjorozco thanks man

[@pitzavala3854]

Thanks for sharing 🙏🏼, I will return the camera

[@davidjorozco]

Appreciate the watch 🙏

[@izzypixie3577]

Thank you for your honest review and glad it wasn’t the typical “best camera ever”. Glad to know what you liked and disliked about it. For my price point and experience I’m looking at something like/similar to this. Thanks again for your input!

[@davidjorozco]

That means a lot my friend, that’s exactly what I was aiming for and happy it helped you out!

[@03LilShaun]

Where can I find your Luts?

[@davidjorozco]

Nothing available yet but toying with the idea! I use DaVinci and am always using Powergrades so maybe one day soon I’ll release those!

[@no1_.137]

is it overheat on usb for long interviews like 3 4 hours

[@davidjorozco]

It does not overheat in my experience. I’ve recorded a handful of interviews from 1-4 hours and it’s never overheated. I’ve shot b-roll in 105 degree F / 40 degree C weather and it’s held up well.

[@lynoj777]

This great camera for the price you pay and still complain of the little things. You are paying under $2,500 for a camera that can offer you great things. Get a proper cinema camera if you are worried about that little wobble you are complaining about. These people… unbelievable.

[@davidjorozco]

Dude you need to relax. Getting mad over a little wobble is crazy.

[@yashprayog]

​@@davidjorozco 😂😂

[@highlyunprofessionalreviews]

Clog 3 is the main problem (along with the wobble). The dynamic range is so so and it's quite noisy. Canon needs to give us Clog 2 in all of its cameras like Sony gives their consumers Slog 3. Other than that, great camera. RF lenses are noisy af though, if you're trying to film in a quiet environment with any type of on-board mic.

[@davidjorozco]

Agreed on all accounts, especially CLog2. My hope is that when the R5 II comes out not only will it have Clog2 but may others will inherit that as well (doubtful since typical canon would want to push us towards buying the new version to get it)

[@highlyunprofessionalreviews]

@@davidjorozcothat’s my hope as well. I’d switch to Sony in a second but I can’t stomach the look and usability of their cameras.

[@TheDavveponken]

Can you really talk about Canon-colours anymore when you quite noticeably put a green colour tint on the footage that isn't there in the original footage? I'm just curious. And btw I share your experience with shooting Sony. I just bought one and was wholly disappointed with the whole user experience - it almost felt like going back in time to the original Canon 5d experience where you couldn't be sure of your results being sharp enough, now having the sharpness more or less secured but the exposure not so much (due to the evf and display showing images overexposed when they are in fact underexposed or correctly exposed). I dunno, just kind of hated the whole experience (of mirroless overall?) and it was refreshing to hear someone else feel like that too.

[@davidjorozco]

That’s a valid question. For me personally when I say I enjoy Canon colors it means that the time it takes me from color correction, to then applying a grade that I find pleasing, is a lot less than using a Sony. Even more specifically Canon color science for skin tones (red - orange) tends to more often be pleasing to my eye with less adjustments. Sony skin tones tend to take a little more work to get there which adds up the more footage you have. Whether or not you enjoyed my interpretation of CLog3 in this video is up to you, but I tend to enjoy the process to get there more when using Canon vs Sony contributing to the overall experience I have. Hope that helps clarify and happy creating!

[@TheDavveponken]

@@davidjorozco Thank you for your elaboration, it makes sense to me, as that has been my experience shooting stills as well. It's a shame the Canon (and Fuji) are so dang expensive. Seeing as you have experience with both: What EVF do you prefer between the Canon and Sony (or even Fuji - gfx specifically, if you've tried it)? I just got a sony a7ii and the evf, or even metering was below expectations. Much appreciated

[@davidjorozco]

@@TheDavveponken that’s honestly a great question that doesn’t get talked about in-depth a lot. Sony EVF’s are not good. Even the A7iv. The A7siii is a noticeably better EVF compared to the A7iv and significantly better than the A7iii. A7siii is the best Sony EVF I’ve used (haven’t used the A1 or A9’s or the A7rV) but Canon’s are significantly better full stop. The LCD screens aren’t even a contest in favor of Canon just to add. Honestly my next camera I’m curious about is the Fuji X-H2s and may trial that out soon hopefully!

[@V-adventurous]

If canon would only give c log 2 to all their cameras it would be a different story. Sucks that they’re only giving it to their cinema series. Most newer sony cameras have slog 3.

[@davidjorozco]

This exactly 🙏. One can hope they will but I have a feeling they will only include it on the upcoming R5 Mark II and not pass it down to the R6.

[@Soul_Visuals_Photography]

Great review. Love My R6ii and this is an accurate review.

[@davidjorozco]

Appreciate that, it def is still a great camera

[@ghalibsworld]

Vlogging with RF24mm F1.8 is good with Canon r6 mark 2. 16mm is not doable in any br __ and full-frame camera only Action cameras are good for 17mm focal length. Even pocket 3 can go a maximum of 20mm after that it does not feel good. With wide angle kit pocket 3 looks very bad. So every camera has it's own limitations. With full-frame, you can go 20mm highest. Yes, canon does not have any 20mm prime. Take a 15-35mm F.28 and shoot at 20mm and then check wabbles. Every reviewer must be honest with it.

[@kirk0831]

How about r5 mark ii?

[@davidjorozco]

@@kirk0831 it looks promising, when I get my hands on one I’ll let you know!

[@siemworks7078]

What's the point? buy an RF 24 70 2.8, never had any problem with wobble. And just stabilize yourself in those icky situation. You can't expect the world always.

[@davidjorozco]

The point is that creators should know what they are getting for their hard earned money and what caveats come with those tools. The RF 24-70 still wobbles at 24mm. I’ll make a video as proof comparing shortly because it’s useful to know. The Sony A7iv stabilization system doesn’t exhibit any of this. The point is so that people can make an informed decision.

[@siemworks7078]

@@davidjorozco Thanks, valid point :)

[@RynaxAlien]

Canon still uses OUTDATED decades old front-lit CMOS sensors. Sony A7sIII is superior technologically but still has problems such as lack of pixel shift. By now industry should have been moving to new sensor technology such as SPAD or x1000 times more sensitive graphene sensors.

[@senalirving]

You would prob love the z8. The video is AMAZING

[@davidjorozco]

I’ve had my eye on it and VERY tempted. It seems like Nikon has come a ways in the video realm. Any lens recommendations?

[@senalirving]

​@@davidjorozco Yessss, try it out for sure. And hmmm most of the primes are great for video. And the 1.2 while heavy have no breathing which sony lenses known to have. No jelly effect too! prob because there is no mechanical shutter

[@xikefocus]

Twitchy IBIS for sure.

[@davidjorozco]

Yep, they have such a good camera otherwise

[@xikefocus]

@@davidjorozcoCamera conspiracy: Japanese camera makers intentionally leave some faults in their products. They don’t want their products to be too good so that they can get a long with others.

[@davidjorozco]

@@xikefocusthis is why it’s hard to not recommend Sony for everything. Their “consumer” level cameras have pro level features and quality. They don’t hold back while Canon seemingly has been holding features from their cheaper cameras for years. The R5ii is promising but really we should have had that camera 2 years ago at least.

[@xikefocus]

@@davidjorozcoI don’t like Sony color straight out of camera though and I’m not sure if I can color grade it. I think Sony color is kind of bland. Their IBIS is questionable. Other than that they have ton of good quality cameras and lenses.

[@livestreamsuk6004]

Yes its a photo camera LOL!

[@davidjorozco]

Dang man I had no idea, good looking out!

[@noranoskyle4417]

get a gimbal lol

[@noranoskyle4417]

or get the rf 28-70 that can really make it heavier

[@dunric88]

So what's the conclusion in the end? The camera is not reliable because of the ibis and you turn it off? Okay, understandable, but Sony's ibis is almost non existing, so it like shooting with no ibis anyway. Tested on fx3.

[@davidjorozco]

For photo, get it it’s great. For video the IBIS is unreliable so I tend to turn it off. I have the A7siii (essentially the same as FX3) and disagree. The IBIS may not be the strongest but it definitely works and on all settings without the threat of ruining footage.