Canon R6: What I Didn't Tell You in My Review

[@stalman]

This just scratches the surface, the full podcast has way more detailed info kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2bVqKesiK55qas

[@gibblsworthiscool]

Great content as always Tyler!

[@davidocasio3732]

Tyler Stalman what are your thoughts on the r100 rumors?

[@qtben17]

Hopeful that the tilta cage + fan would change all this overheating issues

[@77dris]

So, you wanted an all around hybrid camera that you could take photos and video with... the R6 is ahead of it's direct competitor the A7III in that it has better AF/EVF/IBIS, can do 4K 60 (A7III is limited to cropped 4K 30), has a 20 MP sensor with the new AA filter that gives a resolving power about the same as a 26 MP sensor (The A7III is 24 MP with a regular AA filter). On average the A7III overheats in 4K 30 in about 20 minutes (Daniel Schiffer confirmed this on his latest video with Matti Happoja) but Sony has kept the overheating issue quiet and has not been open about record limits the way Canon was with the R5 and R6... But now you are considering getting a camera with a 12 MP sensor out of 2007 that cannot be used as a pro photo camera as a replacement as an all round photo/video camera that you have been looking for? This makes no sense whatsoever... and that camera costs about $1000 cdn more than an R6. I remember when the A7III was announced and people bought into the hype initially too (the Sony hype train is hardcore, my feed is lit up with hundreds of videos the day any new Sony camera is announced, even the ZV1). But then after some time with it, a huge chunk of KZbinrs sold it and went back to the R. Not many people bought the A7SII, it was pretty niche and those who did also had to splash out thousands of dollars on a second camera for photos (or were Sony Ambassadors and had multiple cameras anyway). I'm wondering how many people will make the mistake and buy the A7SIII and after spending all that money, realize that they will have to spend more on another camera for photos... because after all, resolution for pro photography is more important than resolution for video... especially when 98% of all video being made these days ends up in 8 bit, IPB, on KZbin, being viewed in 480p-1080p on tiny cellphone screens.... and people who shoot nothing but video professionally will most likely need a cinema camera.

[@Chromedbustop]

@@77dris I think people are misunderstanding the issue in regards to the heat management problems of the R5/R6. It's not the fact that it overheats. Plenty of cameras do. It's how long it takes to recover before you can make full use of it again. The camera has to cool for at LEAST 20 minutes to get back partial video use. Full video use takes even longer. And that's in "ideal" conditions. Good luck shooting in the summer or in a warm environment. 20+ minutes is a long time to wait for a tool that is often made to capture things in the moment. And if one is not going to use the video tools then they're just overpaying for features that they'll barely use. If canon is able to resolve the cooldown times these could turn into very good hybrid cameras. But as it is right now they excellent, albeit overpriced, stills cameras. Maybe they have equal or better specs compared to brand competitors. But what do specs matter if you can't actually make use of them for long periods of time. Maybe the Sony equiv's aren't as flashy, but when compared to the R5/R6 they work, and you don't have to limit their use nearly as much. And a basic tool that works when you need it to is of far greater use than one that only works part of the time. A lot of people are talking about these cameras in regards to their specific needs/wants. That's understandable to an extent, but these cameras are not being marketed to a specific group.

[@JohnTSteinbeck]

90% of us aren't filming more than 20 minutes at a time. Perfect video camera for us - snappy AF, good colors, and amazing RF lenses

[@cjonwickham1933]

That's true...depend on still video like vlog or film. Film different angles and shots....several short takes less than 30 minutes to string along with audio in post. BUT camcorder budget pro are best long records. Sometimes two cameras and/or camcorders for simultaneous shots or angles.

[@MarcinRutkowski]

But when you shot wedding ceremony, or sports event it sucks. If r6 could record 4k@30 10 bit I would go for it.

[@parikv99]

Key takeaway! Canon R5/R6 - Stills first, Video Second. Sony A7Siii - Video First, Stills Second. Loved hearing your thoughts! Love this format too! 😄

[@randfee]

difference being, the 7S3 will take video AND photos reliably... the canon's don't take video reliably ... it's a bummer... I'm a Canon hobbyist, got tons of glass, don't know which way to go now, I STILL CAN'T get a reliable hybrid cam from them... waited for 6 years now. tough luck!

[@TomasRamoska]

@@spanishprisoner What you going to do with 12mpx stills 🤣 just enough resolution to get 4k KZbin thumbnail.. You can't even fill 5k imac monitor without scaling photo up.

[@TomasRamoska]

@@randfee Just shoot 4K upto 30fps and you good to go no overheating problems

[@VNZ]

7s3 for photos? Sure for ig ang yt thumbnails

[@BlackProductionFilms]

But a7sii was also less megapixels, around 12. Canon should have made R6 just for video, 6k, no weather sealing, no limitation

[@mribi]

The lack of b roll or “reduced” production value on this vs. the main channel literally makes no difference to me. It’s quality content and I value your opinions ❤️

[@TimFitzwater]

I can’t wait to replace my 5DIV with the R5. That AF, that low light, dynamic range! The R5 is possibly the greatest stills camera ever made at this point. I’ll be fine shooting my videos in 1080 - no client has ever even asked for 4K. But Canon PLEASE add 120fps in 1080!

[@stalmanplus]

It’s going to be life changing switching from the 5D

[@ethanHat]

Agreed Tim! But FYI you can still shoot non-HQ 4k without overheating if you ever need it.

[@TimFitzwater]

@@ethanHat True - and what I'm counting on when I do get asked to shoot in 4k - which probably will happen over the life of the camera. I recently started rendering my youtube uploads in 4k even though they were shot in 1080. They look much better. An interesting test will be to see if shooting in 1080 and rendering in 4k looks as good as shooting in the line-skipped regular 4k. The kind of thing not a lot of people talk about. Most of us(personal work and companies) are posting to highly compressed streaming sites. Its not like these are broadcast TV or movie theater productions. Those people use cinema cameras anyways.

[@iamdarb]

As a photographer it is nice to hear someone focus on these being good cameras instead of casually mentioning it after complaining about video features for the entire time. Thanks!

[@ccolagio_]

great review here! photo-centric...for a camera kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4WYeJiEfZh8ppI&lc=Ugz8ZTFk6mdRmp_ZBjd4AaABAg.9BwoZTLluXN9ByfRZeks8l

[@CharleyPangus]

But they still shoot amazing 1080p footage and 4K 24p no problem.... no ones talking about this. Great video Anyway.

[@TimSheehan]

Actually no, the R5 shoots great looking oversampled 4k (aka 4K HQ) and overheats, or subpar lineskipped 4k without overheating. And everyone is talking about that dilemma.

[@ryanbishop3586]

Good point Charley! they've still got very good 4K...but when a camera is marketed as an 8K camera, you wouldn't expect to buy it for 1080p. You might as well stick with the EOS R

[@nabin9768]

@@ryanbishop3586 exactly, thank you!

[@ryanbishop3586]

@@nabin9768 I'm still holding out hope the Canon can fix some of the issues...maybe using the Ninja V could help with overheating in most modes

[@CharleyPangus]

Ryan Bishop very true

[@young2125]

I pre-ordered the R6 for still photography. I can't wait to use my 24-240 RF lens on it.

[@stalmanplus]

You will LOVE it, it’s the best stills camera I’ve ever used

[@chrispatmore8944]

Glad to see some people (you and Gerald) are actually stating that these are amazing stills cameras. The trouble with most KZbin reviews is they are overly videocentric, which sort of makes sense given KZbin is a video platform. But these are hybrid cameras so something isn't going to work as well a dedicated tool. Much like using a shampoo-conditioner, it's convenient but won't do as good a job as separate products. To me, and I'm a stills only shooter, it would make a lot more sense to use something from Blackmagic if I was to shoot video. They seem to deliver the goods at an affordable price, and have an amazing piece of software to process and edit the footage bundled with them. I'm definitely being swayed towards mirrorless with the R6, if only I had the spare cash, as it will perfectly suit my needs. It's always about getting the right tool for the job.

[@ThatModernDude]

Interesting thoughts. I still have my order in for the R5, interested to see how it holds up in my own workflow. I also feel like canon will possible drop some sort of firmware update to address some of it because it seems like the overheating is more of a time thing rather than a temperature thing. That being said, if the A7SIII had a few more megapickles I would probably get that. Unfortunately 12MP is just not there for me for printing

[@jaaaybento]

Everyone’s workflow is different. Some people may never encounter overheating and some people may feel hindered by it. You nailed it when you said “own workflow.”

[@grammxmedia2411]

I think he nailed it because he said it’s a timer thing. You have to think outside the box... imagine how incredible the r5 would be without „overheating“. In the future nobody would buy their high end cameras. ;) in opinion it’s a time thing and definitely not a temperature thing they did this time thing for a reason...

[@RafaelLudwig]

I am a canon shooter - c200 and R personally. But I have chosen the A7Siii as a BTS and B-Roll camera. As a 3rd camera. I will get the R5 eventually to replace my 1Dx I sold earlier this year for Photos, probably after some firmware updates. Thanks for your thoughts on these cameras!

[@MarkAKathurima]

Superb stills camera. That's why I'm getting one. I wish Canon would just stop focusing so much on the video capabilities and instead showcase it's amazing stills chops with video as an add-on.

[@drbeardo6960]

Dxomark retested 1Dx mark 3 sensor Dynamic Range : 14.5 EV Widest DR for a canon camera so far R6 shares the same sensor, great news for canon fans

[@andersistbesser]

Usuable dr on canon is 11 stops according to gerald undone. An apsc xt4 is better than that. Canon sensors suck

[@SimonMichaelBenz]

So all this time we have been shooting on Sony's and Panasonics with the same crappy 4k 24/30 that these cameras can do. Some of those Sonys and Pannys even over heated plus other issues. But now all of a sudden everyone is so professional 4k24/30 just wont do, its unusable and utterly useless, "Its a real problem" you all say. And everyone is so pro they must be able to shoot 8k and 4k 60 plus for hours at a time, yet complain about how hard it is to edit and store these files because apparently these pros who have clients that will not stand for cool down times, cant afford capable computers or multiple cameras as backup. Suddenly all these pros who claim that any camera that cannot do 8k RAW for 1 hour plus interviews is not a real 8k camera. (because we all need more talking head videos shot at 4k 60 or better) These same pros absolutely must shoot video only with DSLR's instead of dedicated cinema cameras. Its also interesting to see these folks who MUST have a camera that is as capable a video camera as it is a photo camera, and vice versa, but suddenly are ok with paying $1000 more for a Sony with weak stills capabilities, but not ok with paying 1000 less for the R6 that is twice the stills camera but not quite the video camera of the Sony. Can we all just admit that we are all a bunch of video shooters and that is the priority here. We want the best video functionality available for as little money as possible, a video camera in a still camera body. Then we can leave canon out of it, ignore their marketing and know that they ALWAYS prioritize stills over video. We did this for years with Nikon, we can do it with Canon as well. Canon should be getting nothing but props for the camera they just made, its amazing if your priority is stills, its probably the greatest camera value ever made (consider every EF lens is now stabilized, the speed and accuracy of the AF and eye and animal Focus weather sealing, and shock resistance) if we look at what these things can do with stills only, the fact that the R5 is arguably the greatest stills camera ever made under 4 grand is a really poor reason not to buy these, unless its all about video for you. :)

[@AP-zo1ww]

"Can we all just admit that we are all a bunch of video shooters and that is the priority here. We want the best video functionality available for as little money as possible, a video camera in a still camera body. Then we can leave canon out it" The thing is, Canon video shooters want a video cam w/ stills features.. but will now come to terms with the fact they'll never get one. Let's not act like a 9 figure market hasn't been created for Video cams in still cam bodies. People don't want to shoot on cinema cams. They want to lug around a DSLR and shoot great video.

[@theomerbarak]

Bravo!

[@timelapsega]

Lol i havent heard a single person say anything bad about the stills side of this camera, it's amazing, no one is debating that. But on the video side Canon just marketed the R5 poorly, 8K RAW was the headline feature and it shouldnt have been. The standard 4K on the R5 doesnt look that great, the HQ and 8K look amazing but the heat is a huge issue. It would be one thing if the cooldown period was short but its not at all. I think the biggest issue is that for years Canon has released hybrid cams that had some kind of catch, like the huge crop in 4k on the 5D4 or the MJPEG codec. Lots of people switched to Sony or Panasonic for video. So when the specs leaked video shooters got excited that Canon was finally coming out with a no compromises camera with a sick feature set and were super disappointed to find out about the overheating limitations. It was a bummer.

[@SimonMichaelBenz]

@@AP-zo1ww Up to now the market that wanted a video cam that shoots stills has had to compromise in some way. Only with the R5 and 6 are we saying compromise is not an option, all while saying we are switching to a camera (a7s3) that has massive compromises where stills are concerned. If you just want to shoot video, R5-6 do fullframe 4k 24/30 with no over heating, people were able to make that work just fine last year, only now is that completely unacceptable. If you are a Canon user and need to stay that way, you work with what you have, 4k 24/30 or external HQ. I also suspect Canon will figure a way to get longer running 4k 60 out of the R5 with firmware, since it has the processing power.

[@emilew176]

The big difference is that a few years later, what we accepted is no longer admissible today because we have the choice. The only problem is Canon MKT annonce 8K and make a lot of noise about video but R5 and R6 are stills camera.

[@jordanmartin324]

Where are we at on this after the 1.2.0 firmware update? I’m either Z6ii or R6. For the price difference I can *almost* get an atomos ninja for the 10-bit and screen to face me. The only outstanding differences then become AF and overheating

[@RockyMaiviaMiami]

They are hobbled by the creators. They are “overheated” even when not hot. Canon is making it very clear they want us to try out features in R5/R6 but use them in the cinema cameras. Oh and a small cinema camera is coming out shortly, that uses a RF Mount and probably has no record limit 😒

[@freddumartin7878]

True. This seems to be an intentional software limitation, not related to heat. I hope they update that idiotic crippled heating protection... This new RF "C200 mk ii" is exciting though :)

[@leodoz1016]

@@freddumartin7878 magic lantern I guess? But i don't think anyone would want to loose warranty for their 3500$ camera

[@waynosfotos]

Fred Dumartin Yes, I have heard that the cameras stop recording but aren’t that hot to touch, just warm, so maybe there is other drivers for the limitation. 🤔

[@freddumartin7878]

@@waynosfotos I never got mine to stop recording yet, but yes I confirm it is barely warm. The CFxpress card though is lava hot, which makes sense because it is a tiny chip and writes a significant amount of data per second. On my Ninja V with the card removed, I can record all the possible external modes with no apparent overheating limitations (4kHQ/fine, 4k60, 4k cropped over-sampled,...). I had a 3 hours interview shoot on Monday, got a little over 2 hours of 4kHQ footage and no overheating sign. I saw on KZbin another dude doing the same with a dummy, unlimited 4kHQ, I'm going to try this today while I'm editing.

[@waynosfotos]

@@freddumartin7878 that may suggest, if you change the hot card, maybe the recovery time may be less. So not the camera, but the card is the limitation.

[@TerraThink]

How come no one talks about the quality of the 1080p on these cameras? Most people still film in 1080p. And the R couldn't do 1080p/120 but the R6 can.

[@MindYaBizz_Whiz]

Was just thinking this.

[@stalmanplus]

We still deliver most of our client videos in 1080 but it’s so much softer than downsampled 4k, I would rather not shoot in camera 1080

[@jordansarkisian]

@@stalmanplusIf only they had an option for in camera 1080p downsampled from 4k like they do with the 8k to 4k in the R5...that'd be lit.

[@svikramajit]

@@stalmanplus Oh shoot! I was hoping that at least I can get this camera for 1080p 120. This is so disappointing. I have invested in all these L series lenses from past 4/5 years and I was just waiting for a good mirrorless camera from Canon. I guess it's time to make the move to Sony.

[@DeusExAstra]

I believe the A7sIII will do 1080p at 240 fps, which is awesome. Dont think either of the Canons can do that... at least I dont remember that being the case.

[@davidocasio3732]

You can always shoot stills and switch to lower quality video according to Gerald FYI. Overheating only affects the high quality modes for the most part.

[@TheSlageSaga]

These cameras are giving me a headache. I don’t think I’m going to use 4K that much, so maybe the R6 would be ok. I don’t know why the 120 FPS mode is a baked file. That’s disappointing, but I think the R6 will be usable. The R5 would be great. I don’t think I would car about the line skipped mode. Decisions.

[@donschiffer7400]

Good video. One thing that drives me a bit nuts is people pretending the line skipped 4k is terrible. For KZbinrs it should be more than adequate. Without zooming in I doubt the quality difference would be noticable and certainly not going to cost anyone views.

[@donschiffer7400]

@A Google User Alas, it's true. I am not a youtuber. Only a lowly photographer...

[@bytomw]

These are really enjoyable Tyler. If making them is more fun for you keep doing it!

[@BrianZuma]

Very much agree a quick update is so valuable if that suffers from all the nice visuals that’s fine 😅. I would say the R6 seems good for 1080p but for the price you shouldn’t have to do that

[@thenostomaniac2571]

And 1080P? Why hast thou forsaken it? Does it overheat? would this be the perfect camera if 1080p is your jam, baby? Is the 1080p on the R6 better or worse than the R? Please advise.

[@stalmanplus]

The 1080 looks very similar to the R, a tiny bit sharper, but it’s still pretty soft. Compared to downsampling 4K it’s night and day

[@eavendall928]

@@stalmanplus This is what I needed to hear! thank you!

[@Scott_Hehir]

I'm a photographer and videographer for Real Estate. Essentially I'm filming only B-Roll short clips for real estate.... I'm so keen for the R6, but kind of concerned about the overheating.. Should I be? I have only been filming in 1080 (60fps) thus far on my 90D. But I was looking at filming more 4K. Thoughts???

[@alexsystems2001]

I did the same thing... I called this morning and cancelled my R5 order. I wasnt hoping for a full blown C500 but I was more hoping Canon having been pretty conservative on it specs and releases that whatever it released it would do. For example, the S1H... yeah it does a crop in 4K60 or 6K or 4K30 but it doesn’t have a limit, it’ll do that all day reliably. I just never really liked the thought of releasing gimmicky features or novelty features. Again I wasn’t expecting a full blown cinema camera the dynamic range isn’t there, the XLR option isn’t there, the built in ND filter option isn’t there, but I expected that it would do its normal functions... always. When I travel I do video and photos, I don’t want to have a bunch of unusable video specs just because I shot some photos.

[@koch5640]

You mentioned how you prefer the body of the EOS 5D Mark IV. If the EOS R5 and EOS R6 would have been produced in similarly sized bodies as the EOS 5D Mark IV, would overheating problems in video been mitigated?

[@Rawkustvplus]

Does the R6 overheat in 1080p? If not I would just shoot 1080p and upscale to 4K since the 1080p is 4K squeezed into 1080p in the first place.

[@kikezurek34]

Well I’m just going use my r6 for photography

[@stalmanplus]

You’re going to be a very happy photographer

[@frankanderson5012]

Blasphemy!

[@Orozco_PNW]

I’m going to mostly too, but am going to try making some stock footage of the beautiful Pacific Northwest here for fun (mostly, but wouldn’t mind any extra $)

[@Orozco_PNW]

So far, very happy with my R6! If only there were more clear nights for astrophotography :-(

[@ThatGuyInVegas]

The overheating issue is so overblown, I've been shooting my R5 here in Vegas outside. We've been averaging between 104 to 115 degree the last 2 weeks. It holds up great up to 4/k 30 FPS as stated in the disclosure. My camera has not overheated once. It can't be overstated the Canon R5 is a photography camera first and a hybrid video camera second.

[@marvelpaolo]

I think I read somewhere that a firmware update would bring in ALL-I and C-log 3.

[@PaulKentSkates]

Don't forget 4k hq can be recorded unlimited if you use a super 35 crop on the r5, and full frame 4k in the lower quality version works too. This should look as good of not more than the cinema cameras (we just need C-Log 3) With an external recorder (or a HDMI input to your computer) you can record over an hour of footage. I think the r5 will be fine for hybrid video. Better than the r6 which overheats in its base 4k mode.

[@paulaweiss]

Hi Tyler, would you please share if you prefer the eos R over the R6 as an overall professional photo/video camera? Why? Does the R handle 4k video better (overheating) or do they both overheat the same with 4k video? Thank you greatly!

[@rainermenes5921]

I never understood why All-I said to be a better quality than IPB. The main idea of All-I is to have it easier for the NLE software to go to any frame it needs and just decode this one. IPB always has to be decoded back to the I-frame. Depending on the number of P and B-frames this can take a while especially if your computer doesn't support hardware decoding of H264 or H265. The drawback of All-I is you need more MBits/sec because the I-compression is by far not that efficient as P and B. You may be able to think about a scene which looks better in All-I or another in IBP. I guess since All-I is easier to edit Canon thought it is more professional. If for the user All-I is really given a better overall picture quality I have my doubts. Thanks for your thoughts about the R6. I am photo first so for me it doesn't imply an problem that the camera overheats.

[@SimonHergott]

I wish Canon could have kept the exact same form factor of the 5d/7d series, but taken the mirror box out. Heat dissipation would have probably been better. I was super keen on having a smaller body than my 1dxii for days when going lighter and smaller form factor are important. It seems that some canon users are once again shafted big time.

[@boodai88]

Thank you for the review, will it get overheated by shooting 1080 video? Thank you

[@RBztudio]

Great review mate.. so I'm doing real estate photography most photos than videos 📹 , but still videos are important for clients and shooting 4K 30FPS do I hv any overheating???I'm not a blogger so my main use its for photography .. what would you recommend me????

[@kpjfilms5119]

You forgot to mention the unlimited record times when using an external recorder! No overheating on the R6 4k24p and 1 hour record time 4k60p

[@77dris]

This guy shot 4 hours nonstop in 4K HQ using an external Ninja V and removing the cards from the card slots with the R5. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp-qYWN8ndpopqs

[@CarlosCastillo-ud6dl]

So spend another $600-$700 on top of a couple thousand dollar camera. Canon dropped the ball, why should consumers compensate for it.

[@dolwolfianphotography]

@@CarlosCastillo-ud6dl If dropping the ball bring us 8k well it's a nice drop😋

[@semahj]

Carlos Castillo how when it’s not a video camera lol if you can spend 500+ on a lens you can spend 500 on a recorder

[@CarlosCastillo-ud6dl]

@@semahj A lens adds a certain style, characteristic to an image. But when you have to buy a recorder to supplement and bypass an issue, that's 2 different things. Why not record as long as u can w/o limitations?

[@kelvinvanvliet]

So I am still in doubt between the EOS R and the R6. I think 20mp is a bit on the low side, but if I see how much detail is still in the picture when you cropped the picture, I am enthusiastic. But the R does have 30mp... What do you guys think, will I get the EOS R or R6. I do portrait, cars, street and urban exploring. Oh, I'm going to buy a Tamron 35mm 1.4 for the R or R6. RF glass is a bit too expensive...

[@JamesWilliams-rw6qc]

My question given the recent news about the R5 and removing the card to make the camera run for over 3 hours, Would the R6 do the same for 60p 4k and 120 HD? As the 60p 4k overheating externally was the only issue for me. If it doesn't and you have a ninja v or similar you get a 10bit full-frame 30p or 60p camera which has great autofocus and for a mainly one person operation this means you can do some fantastic work, as there is nothing at that price point with all those features. It would also be a good camera to turn to an ENG rig with the variable ND ef adapter with the control ring, I think the camera has legs if you know the weaknesses. If removing the SD card when recording externally or using a dummy battery doesn't solve the 60p overheating issue then it may be a case ongoing to Sony for me. As the majority of jobs are interviews and b-roll and I would need reliable 60p for my b-roll. So need another overheating test for that R6 dummy battery and without sd card, As I still want it despite the concerns and if I can work around them, although hope is fading.

[@michael.holm7555]

You miss the point totally ! The R5 and R6 was never supposed to be a video camera. They are photography cameras that are supreme to everything that's ever been on the market - that can ALSO do some awesome video. So for someone who is a stills photographer who once in a while also do some video, they would be perfect ! Another thing is - if you compare with Sony's new camera that according to Sony doesn't overheat ( although they do in real world) then the overheating is replaced by scarce weather sealing - people need to understand that if you want something awesome then it will cost a compromise somewhere else !

[@vincefleming]

He does understand, that's why he said it was marketed incorrectly. Both of these cameras have been marketed as video cameras, but they are really built to be photo cameras. Canon pushed themselves to far trying to advertise 8k with no limits. If they advertised it as a photo camera with 4k capabilities, and 8k burst, no one would be upset

[@HermanThind]

Great video. You probably want to clarify a key point (at least with the R5, which I have had for a couple of weeks almost). You can shoot 4K24 forever if you want. You can also shoot 4K 24 HQ externally, or 4K 60 externally (to an Atomos for example) with no overheating, or very long run times for 4K60. I think most pros using these as a ‘video rig’ would shoot longer format with an external recorder, so realistically the only times you’ll have an overheating ‘issue’ is if you decide you want to shoot all day with just the camera in high frame rate settings. That isn’t really an issue if you consider the limits for recording and, like you said, plan your day. Shooting burst of b-roll - not an issue. Recording long interviews or scenes? Grab a Ninja5

[@HermanThind]

And I prefer having access to the 8K and 4K120, with the caveat of shorter clips (which fit my workflow), rather than not at all.

[@1RetroMetro1]

I've been debating so much about getting the 5dmIV vs. the R6. I shoot mainly stills. Since there are a lot of 5dmIV going on sale in the second hand market, it's quite the opportunity to get on it (currently in the talks with a potential 5dmIV body at the moment as well), though I'm having a hard time deciding if I should just wait and get the R6. Getting the R6 would allow me to still use my canon lenses with the adapter, with also the option of tapping into the new mirrorless glass line-up for the R6. The R6 has lower MP, but from your reviews it doesn't even look much of a deal breaker, plus I won't be blowing up any photos on billboards as well. Any thoughts?

[@Mimunga]

Let's hope Canon will fix this in a firmware update soon and it will be overheating only in 8K mode. Then it will be a dream camera fro everyone! ;)

[@jaaaybento]

If they do this I’m quitting. I literally just switched over to the A7s III 😩 and sold all my canon glass...

[@viewfinderthis]

From what others are saying. A firmware update won't fix the overheating since it is due to the body not being able to disperse the heat out of the camera.

[@Mimunga]

​@@viewfinderthis Sure, but I only care about what CANON's engineers think about hehehe, we will see. ;)

[@jdowanderson]

Interested if your opinion has changed with the new firmware update?

[@thomasbechard]

Matti said you can always use the photo modes and even lower res video modes when the higher stuff has overheated. Seems like stills aren’t inhibited ever. Can you confirm?

[@stalmanplus]

I didn’t do extensive enough tests to be the authority on every overheating situation, but I believe after an overheat you are completely locked out

[@MrJFigueroa]

Looking for a vlogging camera. 1080p 24 and 60 is fine as primary for me. Do you recommend just getting the EOS R or get the R6?

[@stalmanplus]

The R6 is a way better camera in every way

[@jaypainespotter]

I may have missed it but did Canon say these camera are gonna be workhorse production cameras? Or did people on the internet get crazy about the specs and overhype it? People have been complaining about the specs of Canon for years and they finally develop and release a camera with the "specs" and people are complaining about the limitations. When HD720 video came out some cameras had a record limit of 5 minutes, maybe Canon could have marketed the 8K with 5 minute limit and toned down the expectations. I also think maybe they are playing it safe with the overheating warning. I commend them for "going for it."

[@pedroantunes.]

The problem is that the Sony a7S iii costs a grand more than the R6...

[@andersistbesser]

The a73 without s is better and cheaper for photography and it also does not overheat in video

[@tekguyphoto]

Its the same dilemma over and over. Do you take 2 bodies out - 1 for photo and 1 for video if you go with Sony. Or shoot less video because of some limitations with the Canons. I always had a Canon for photos and some other brand like Sony or Panasonic for videos and it seems after 2-3 years back with the same dilemma. Will keep watching your updates. Thanks.

[@BeX32210]

The bottom line for hybrid shooters: "i had no issues with overheating, but videographers had it, so I also have a problem"...

[@THEREALSIG]

Does the camera over heat while filming 4K or only when filming 8k?

[@BobbyD262]

It overheats in all 4K modes. There is no 8K on the R6.

[@TomStian]

Can you change your video settings to c1-c2-c3? Like 4k60p to c1 and 1080p120fps to c2?

[@bassemeldakar1161]

Thank you your input. Question about your c200, how are you exposing your skin tones? Your image looks perfect.

[@waynosfotos]

Just watched a video where a guy did a test with a R5 and used a external Ninga Atmos recording externally on 4k HQ best 4k. He switched off the R5 at 1 hour and 30 minutes, it didn’t stop working although the heat light was flashing. This makes the camera usable for interviews, but of course needs the external recorder, which may or may not be a hinderance.

[@waynosfotos]

@A Google User agreed, i only shoot in 1080p, i never need to crop right in to get a new frame. For social media which i do, 4k HQ is a massive overkill, and why make your work flow and storage bigger. Why these manufacturers don't give 1080p raw or a down sampled 1080p is beyond me, as this is still the main viewing resolution.

[@kennethlui2268]

Buy R6 for stills and A7sIII for video. Problem solved. If I need to shoot a wedding, I would bring at least two cameras anyway.

[@lawrencenimrichter9471]

I am close to doing a R5/A7sIII combo - if only you could adapt RF glass to E mount!!! I dont fancy buying to sets of lenses :(

[@Kprawl291986]

Best low key setup

[@tomroper913]

Would you chose the 5d Iv or r6 for wildlife and stills as it has the animal AF ?

[@acesofgambit]

How about if ill use only HD 1080, do overheat also? 😔 Im Planing to get this December.. Please advise. Thanks

[@ryanhostudio]

pretty much a no brainer topic at this point. If your doing video, a7siii. If your doing photography / hybrid with not long record times go with R5/R6

[@abrahamgomez2599]

Does the R6 overheat in any 1080p recording settings?

[@chrisealdana]

I don’t know why no one will answer this

[@waynosfotos]

No

[@fivedollarshake3896]

I just cancelled the R5 and ordered the a7S III. I really wanted to like the Canon, but the recording is too limited. Also I saw the moonwalk demo and it blew me away. Great job Sony!

[@jaaaybento]

Literally same! That video reaffirmed my decision on the preorder. It’s just painful to wait for it to ship 🥺

[@AdamJohnson0110]

Maybe if enough people cancel, the price will be lowered :) I'm primarily interested in the R5 for photos.

[@danielsvoboda198]

Adam Johnson Unless you are married to Canon for some reason the A7r4 is better choice for most people. Higher res and DR, cheaper and great lens selection.

[@AdamJohnson0110]

Daniel Svoboda yeah, you’re probably right. Definitely a plus to have 3rd party lens options too.

[@tbgtom]

Question... what if you plug in a Ninja and remove the memory card(s) like they did with the test on the R5? Does that increase recording time? or still overheat?

[@craigcarlson4022]

Seems like a very fair, balance commentary. You gotta wonder how Canon thought they could get away pitching these the way they did.

[@JHawk]

Great video man! I’m stuck in that hybrid position right now. I have the R5, and it’s great but exactly like you said. Do I want a camera I can get by using? Or have a camera that does everything I need it to do

[@lawrencenimrichter9471]

I have an R5 and am in the same boat. Clock is ticking on the return window. Do I keep it and hope for a mythical RF mount A7sIII competitor - or get the A7sIII + A7RIV E-Mount combo. If my hands just didnt love the feel and design of the R5 in them....

[@3ofakinddrummer]

Or in other marketing Terms: „THE BEST 8K CAMERA FOR YOUR NEXT ARCTIC EXPEDITION“

[@antant06]

Perhaps the only conditions where it won't experience overheating?

[@thebar2021]

what if I'm not trying to create an entire video but want to record a sprint race or a single lift in weightlifting. Is the quality top of the line line?

[@My123Tutorials]

Talking about the IPB compression, could you please provide a video file from the R6? Is this somehow possible? I would love to see how my 2017 notebook can handle those files. ^^

[@L.Lyubomirov]

Stalman Podcast great video !Do you think R6 and R5 will drop price later cause of the overheating?

[@stalmanplus]

Not a chance, I think the price are exactly right for the feature set. These are AMAZING cameras, they just aren’t focused on video

[@dimitrimoonlight]

Can you use a external recorder? If so can record with pro-res?

Can you talk about shooting 4k 24p down-sampled to an external recorder vs. 4k line skip 24p internally? So many of us will be trying to do most of the more extended recording under these modes, and no one is talking about overheating under these conditions. From the Undone vídeos, it seems there’s no overheating under those conditions? But are those modes good enough for blogging and interviews? I'm a hybrid (5d mk4) shooter, and no crop factor at 4k 24p plus eye AF is the most significant selling point. But is the quality good enough under these safer modes to validate the upgrade?

[@waynosfotos]

Con Tamaño Zapatotes It is heaps better than the best quality on YTube. I shoot on a eos R in 1080p, looks great straight out of the camera. If you are doing it for film production, maybe not good enough, but for ads and social media all these cameras, even the superseded ones are way good enough!

[@JoaoPCavalcanti]

It's disappointing that Canon can't seem to get video right by providing usable and reliable full frame 4k footage. If the R6 had some sort of regular lower quality 4K without any overheating, as the R5 does, it would be a great option.

[@waynosfotos]

Johnny People it does

[@JoaoPCavalcanti]

@@waynosfotos from what I 've seen it only records for longer if you are using an external recorder and that would be in oversampled 4K

[@Retipster]

A confusing but amazing year for cameras... well put!

[@cartoonw9584]

I really want the R6 for photography, cuz i love the colour. Plus maybe alittle bit of film making for Uni stuff

[@cartoonw9584]

A Google User ahaha this guy , I know it’s true my parents have money but guess what I earn money the hard way . I’ve been working for my parents company since 12 . Now I’m 18 . Now a day I work around 10-12 hours everyday as a manager and an accountant for my company . So stop with the mum and dad giving me money . I earned it with the hard work I put in. And I am someone who likes to save up for the stuff he really really needs (like for example this will be my first camera cuz I wanna pursue this career ) and I never ask for the stuff “I want” . If I want I will safe up

[@cartoonw9584]

A Google User and just to tell u a story . When I was 16 I saved up the whole year . Eating junk food and font go out when I’m at sch to save up for my Hublot Watch . Soooo don’t judge the book by its cover pls

[@brianchu8147]

Great production value, can't tell you how many videos with many more likes and views have lesser video and DEFINITELY lesser audio quality. Keep it up!

[@stalmanplus]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@AdrianBacon]

I really hope Canon realizes that they can pretty dramatically reduce their overheating problem by simply giving the user the option to record 5.1K video. Every NLE I’ve ever used has zero issues with video sizes that aren’t HD/UHD/DCI. You don’t want the camera to overheat? Record an MP4 or MOV file where the camera doesn’t rescale the video in the camera. They could even nerf it a little and only record it at 8bit 4:2:0 h.264, but at least give us Clog. Also, on the R5, I really hope they give us the option to record raw in super35 mode, again, very unlikely to overheat there. Again, same thing, gives us the option to record in cropped mode (and let us control the crop size) and just record the 1:1 readout without rescaling it in the camera. With the exception of 8K recording, that’d probably completely eliminate heat problems. It’s absurd that they’re rescaling the video in the camera.

[@colhutchins]

Tyler, what about about sensor dust? I have found past sony's almost unusable for video with the amount of sensor dust. Are the canon's any better with the shutter that closes? Is the new sony a7siii any better for dust?

[@waynosfotos]

Colin Hutchins I have the EOS R, don’t get any problems with the canon. I know Sony’s have to be cleaned quite often

[@colhutchins]

@A Google User mate I've seen a lot of losers on youtube but your stupidity tops the lot. And obviously sony thought it was a problem as they put a new cleaner on the sensor: "A filter in front of the image sensor oscillates at an ultrasonic frequency of 70,000 cycles per second to remove dust from the sensor surface". Grow a brain you fucking tool

[@StuartJamesMedia]

Can you discuss the fact that both the R5 and R6 have no overheating problems in 4K HQ modes with an external recorder. Anyone shouting long form interviews can shoot for up to 4 hours without an issue. Check out NoLife reviews. This is surely the set up you want if you are a hybrid shooter and only want one camera to do it all for all. Yes the marketing was terrible by Canon but the fact is that most cameras which push the boundaries of technology will have limits. If Canon had said you can shoot 10 mins in 8K, or 4K 120 then we would not be having these conversations and all be delighted. So for me, let’s look at what we can get from the camera’s and not what we can’t.

[@emmanuelowusu-prempeh2151]

I am a wedding and Portrait Photographer and am looking at upgrading from my old 5dmiii to a new body that's either 5dmiv or EOS R. Please what do you advice?

[@sexysilversurfer]

EMMANUEL OWUSU-PREMPEH the R isn’t that suitable as a your main wedding camera as it’s a single slot but as a secondary camera for portraits it’s probably ok. Get the mkiv as it fit and work with your existing lenses.

[@laydeesik]

Hi Emmanuel, if you need more advice in relation to this, Canon are incredible with recommending cameras tailored to your needs - www.canon.co.uk/canonlive/live-chat/? 😊

[@emmanuelowusu-prempeh2151]

@@laydeesik thanks for sharing this link with me am grateful

[@samhartwig4640]

Hey guys buy video camera for video. This is amazing camera. I have an R5 and ordered R6. Amazing. Not sure what I hear more of these days, canon overheating or covid19🤣 BUY a VIDEO camera. I agree with u. Thank u for video.

[@cazza132]

Duda, you can have 4K30 All-I on the R5 until the cows come home. It's the 4KHQ30 that might be a problem. Just because it's there doesn't make it a problem if you manage your work.

[@cazza132]

A thought - what about after market cooling devices aimed at the heat source to enable the best 4K recording out there. R6 for down-sampled 4K60 and R5 8K raw or 4KHQ30. A peltier cooler is just a start.. I use a peltier cooled 6D for astro work (-20C below ambient) - nothing touches it!

[@cazza132]

An R5 with a petlier cooler would be unstoppable! A good heat sink against the vacant space for the flip screen - a large area, then run a 12V 5A (60W heat pump) cooling system (a bit aggressive) - how would that go?!. Even a 2.5W usb based cooler could make a f-load of difference!

[@selvaweddingphotography3060]

Friends give good idea for buy and tell me the picture quality of R6 Compare to Mark 4, R, RP, Sony A7IIII ???

[@michaelandrew83]

I think a really interesting idea that has not been brought up is that we have zero clue how reliable the AS73 will be. Yes it’s incredible, and doesn’t overheat to shut off, but in reality, does it still just over heat? Is canon protecting the longevity of its equipment by forcing a cool down while Sony is just saying, go for it melt the thing? I don’t know

[@SimonMichaelBenz]

And Sony has been known to adopt that very attitude. And not just with cameras...

[@thomasu.]

is there overheating problems on 4k 24p or just 4k 60p?

[@stevenquintanilla9795]

Waiting for the a7iv. Love my a7iii. Hoping a7iv will have the new menu system and flip screen from a7siii

[@quazisanjeed6395]

I use a dedicated video camera (camcorder) for shooting videos. DSLRs or MILSs are nowhere near capable to perform this task. So, video is out of discussion here. For stills, my old workhorses Canon 5DII and Canon 7D are capable enough for all my nature and wildlife photography needs as an enthusiast. They won't expire anytime soon as per their shutter count status. However, when they really die after many years, I choose the market leader Sony in case I'm compelled to go mirrorless.

[@SILVERSETFILMS]

Again... : how do you "resize" from 20MP to 30 MP ? Or just ignore the question..?

[@JaimeAndresMedia]

Brother, you CAN shoot without overheating, get the facts straight, watch Gerald Undonés test, the regular 4K, not HQ, does not overheat, is not as detailed as HQ, but it is more than enough for YT compression and is not cropped. But you are right in that it’s more of a photographers camera than a videographer one

[@josephbrunner6353]

How about shooting in HD? Will the R6 overheat?

[@tparadise8158]

It seems like two key points here are: Regular 4K won’t overheat For 4K over sample, 4K 120, or 8K, overheating is avoided with an external recorder

[@marioslrzn]

T Paradise someone just posted a video doing 4kHQ mode for 4 hours to a Atomos ninja, they recorded directly to the Atomos and no card and dummy battery. 4 hours and camera gave the overheat and shut off. Within 5 minutes the camera had recover and he was back shooting. So that’s good news for those that want the best available 4k image currently being offered in the mirrorless market. Also 4k60fps doesn’t overheat either shooting to Atomos. So there’s a professional work around available

[@RiceCubeTech]

Mario Solorzano the 4K hq isn’t the best 4K lol. It’s a little sharper, but the a7siii has more accurate color, better dynamic range, and a higher bit depth when recording externally than the EOS r5/6. Being marginally sharper (downsampled from 6k) is not worth it in any stretch. Also the fact that the siii has little to no quality variation between 24/30/60/120 compared to the obvious differences between 4K 120 and 4K 30 in the EOS r5 puts it well ahead for 4K video. For stills, these will be better howeverz

[@marioslrzn]

RiceCube Tech You do realize that a 1 to 1 pixel readout suffers from the same issues as line skipping, it’ll have that digital sharpening look vs a downsampled from 8k to 4k, that’s like comparing 1080i to 1080p...But it’s going to be fun seeing all the video comparisons, there’s a big difference looking at a screen shot vs seeing video in motion.

[@RiceCubeTech]

Mario Solorzano it’s not line skipped though. The SIIIs big marketing push, is that at the highest recording settings, it’s not line skipped lol. Regardless of line skipping, even if it had it, the siii still offers about 2 stops more dynamic range, and a higher recording bit depth and bit rate, when externally and internally recording. Not to mention, for video, the lowlight is better. Especially with the dual iso kicking in at 16000

[@marioslrzn]

RiceCube Tech Just cause sony says it has 15 stops of DR, I haven’t seen any impressive footage of the A7Siii. Maybe because I’m looking at it through my 65” OLED and R5 footages looks way better than anything from the A7SIII. A 1 to 1 pixel readout doesn’t give you better quality over a supersampled, that’s the misleading part, i guess sony marketing to fanboys. A 1 to 1 pixel readout is going to be more susceptible to banding and moire than a sample image, don’t worry we’re going to get a lot of video comparison. You can’t judge video quality from a screen shot, you can only judge it while in motion

[@RoadRallyLife]

Appreciate the update, and here's what you should do: DON'T BUY EITHER. Can't support this type of behavior. Your current cameras are more than plenty!

[@brankokosteski]

I am in an exactly same situation as you. I have c200, eos r and 5d4. I'm going with the R5. I tested the crop 4k and it has an amazing quality + it never overheats. Actually it will pair seamlessly with the sensor size of the c200 for a great b cam (plus it gives me that 10bit middle codec that the c200 doesn't have). I am a cinematographer for many years and working with cinema cameras that are mostly s35, I actually prefer the crop size for video. For me, it fits perfectly in my workflow. Would I preferred to have a non-overheating FF 4k i HQ mode? Sure, but it is not a dealbreaker for me. The R6 on the other hand doesn't have that s35 oversampled 4k and that's too bad because I prefer the price on that one :)

[@stalmanplus]

If they can get clog2 in there it would be a powerhouse. I would be frustrated if the image was way behind the C200

[@brankokosteski]

@@stalmanplus yeah, the clog trades the dr for usability. At best, I think they will update these cameras to clog3, but reserve clog2 for the cinema line, which is something i can live with.

[@DESIGNS-vo1mt]

Somebody PLEASE show me where canon marketed these cameras as video 1st cameras. KZbinrs jumped all over the 8k video, but during the release there were so many more photographers doing their promo of the camera than video; so I didnt see it

[@stalmanplus]

In the very sentence of the official announcement emails from Canon

[@DESIGNS-vo1mt]

@@stalmanplus oh....single sentence. Thanks!

[@Law2708]

I still have two 5d MK3s, held out on the 5d mk4. I only shoot stills(weddings+portraits) no video, should I get the R6?

[@ishjaapsingh]

Yes ,it's perfect for Wedding photography and af is sharp af

[@dandonovan1]

Thanks for the update, Tyler. Anyone who needs confirmation of what Tyler is saying, Gerald Undone has a good wrap-up at the end of his review. For people who shoot a decent amount of video, the choice is becoming obvious.

[@jimmystewartuk]

Indeed it is a major disappointment to hybrid shooters, like you said Canon made it sound like the R5 & R6 were best for the market. We can only wait and see how Canon address these issues via firmware updates and possibly recall (saw this rumour floating about online). I’m also holding back ordering now until further notice.

[@LaCuartaButaca]

But does it overheats even not using the 8k? Let’s say just filming full hd or 4K

[@stalmanplus]

You should really refer to Gerald’s chart, it’s pretty complicated twitter.com/geraldundone/status/1289584165021605888?s=21

[@calvinchann1996]

Only an issue for you. As 99% stills photographer, none of the shitstorm that you KZbin reviewers have kicked up affects me. Hope you’re enjoying the views.

[@1001spencer]

If you shoot 99% stills why buy an R6?

[@miguelangelcalderon3315]

Hey! What plant do you have? It's awesome!

[@stalmanplus]

The big one is a banana palm

[@ShaneCrouch]

I think you are broad brushing the r5. If you shoot 4k non cropped, non oversampled, and clog, is it a good video camera? Does it overheat? What other canon mirrorless or dslr shoots ALL-I Clog 4k uncropped (forget the oversampled), how many professional jobs require more than that? Requires 8k, or oversampled 4k. Fact is the r5 is a better video camera than the other canon dslr or mirrorless right? When did 8k become the professional requirements for professional videos? I am confused. What are main stream movies shot in?

[@stalmanplus]

It’s not about 8K at all. The only way to shoot the R5 without overheating is using the line skipped 4K mode. It looks decent but visibly softer than the oversampled and with the a7SIII on the horizon you’ll not only get a sharper image with no overheating and no record limits, but also visibly more dynamic range. Those are a lot of trade offs if this will be someone’s primary video camera.

[@ShaneCrouch]

@@stalmanplus if you are invested in tons of canon gear, what DSLR/mirrorless would you recommend for best 4k shooting? You are saying you would not recommend it to be a professional main A camera because basically 30 minute time limit (not overheat), and it is not oversampled 4k and dynamic range is not as good as sony. When the 4k features are far better than previous canon 4k features in dslrs and canon dslrs can be used for professional video. Look at how the 5dmark2 was used. Main camera for tv episode, used for a movie. Here is the thing, you give the impression that this cannot be used for a professional A camera, but in truth it really is just not as good as the new sony and could be used for a 4k A camera. Those are two different things. Sorry mot trying to bash you but it seems like broad brushing because no 8k and 4k oversample.

[@ShaneCrouch]

@@stalmanplus sony is a better 4k video camera, yes, and if you can afford the crossover, and only need video, then it may be the route to go but otherwise if you are invested in canon, A5 is a great professional A camera to use for 4k. Just not 4k oversampled or 8k

[@MrJFigueroa]

Stalman Podcast but didn’t Dan Watson’s overheating test show that the A7SIII overheated even faster than the R6 and R5? Why is no one taking about that the Sony has the same overheating issue, am I missing something?

[@ShaneCrouch]

@@MrJFigueroa yep www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/yes-sony-a7s-iii-overheats-sometimes-even-faster-than-canon-eos-r5#:~:text=However%2C%20early%20tests%20by%20reviewers%20in%20the%20United,looked%20like%20a%20Sony%20had%20absolutely%20routed%20Canon.

[@palentier1]

My advice, if you can wait a bit and need a hybrid camera. Wait for the A74 release later this year.

[@SimonMichaelBenz]

Sony will face the same issue, physics is physics. If you shoot at big megapixels you need more processing power and get more heat. Sony would have to crop, lower quality or in some way gimp the video to shoot 4k 60plus on a 45 plus MP full frame camera all day long. That is why this whole thing is so bizarre, Sony gimped the 7s3 to give us that 4k60 unlimited, the thing is a 12 MP camera in 2020, wedding photos will look like they were shot with an Iphone on this thing, and it still costs over 3 grand, it cost MORE than the R6 and shoots crappier 4k 60, that is very bad, people are just focusing only on the positives of that camera, and only on the negatives of the Rs.

[@palentier1]

@@SimonMichaelBenz I guess you don't know much about Sony cameras. The S line is video focused and the R is photo focused. The plain A7 line is supposed to be a good balance of the two or a hybrid camera. They didn't gimp the A7S3 for photos, it wasn't meant to be a primary photo camera. My point was he said he cancelled his pre-order for the R6 because he needed a reliable hybrid camera and the R6 was not it. You may not like it, but he is just being honest as far as I can tell. I am really looking forward to seeing what Sony will give us in the A74. I don't care about Canon or Nikon. I'm invested in Sony and they aren't going anywhere.

[@kevinking1391]

Do you know anything about the coming Canon R Mark II specs

[@jayjay2k27]

the way i feel about this cameras is like someone would have told me they would give me $10.000, and after months of waiting and imagining how i would spend it, you finally get those $10.000 but you re only allowed to spend like $300.

[@stalmanplus]

I can relate

[@alsteiner7602]

OUTSTANDING ANALOGY!!!