Canon Was Forced To Release An FX6

[@davidmorefield]

Is this release enough to keep canon’s customers or too little, too late? I jumped ship to Sony already. Here’s how I rig my FX6: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pV6ZZJSFnNqaf80

[@AcastroAX]

It may stop the bleeding but when someone changes ecosystem it is hard to change them back

[@davidmorefield]

@@AcastroAX I don’t think any Sony users are considering going back. For me, not enough confidence in the canon brand to keep delivering products at this usability level. C400 is a win if you are invested in canon.

[@AcastroAX]

@@davidmorefield i agree! Stop the bleeding but not changing any minds until they have a solid $5K and a $12-$15 monster.

[@DynastyPlaybooks]

I was debating between the C7O and the FX6 as my new cinema camera. Now I’ll be going with the C400, as I already have RF glass and one EF lens. My clients right now don’t care about Sony/Canon/Arri, etc. However as I continue to grow my business I pray 🙏🏾 I secure higher paying clients that will be okay with Canon.

[@davidmorefield]

@@DynastyPlaybooks it’s only an issue if you work for production companies or agencies who have specific camera requirements. If you work directly with the client, it doesn’t matter.

[@digitten]

As a Canon and Sony shooter, the only shorts I saw was a lack of a high base ISO, SDI and variable ND in the Canon system, but they only came into need in very specific situations. I use the c70 and R5C A/B combo with few compromises in matching and quality. With my FX6 and FX30 combo, there are so many things that are lacking especially in the focus and exposure tools, not to mention sending out those tools to external monitors. Also, something I never had with Canon was the audio RF interference issues that are created by the Sony cameras themselves even when using the Sony UWP-D lavs. I am keeping the Sony cams to match existing footage from out-of-market producers, and shooting some conference work, but I will continue to promote Canon when the client has no camera preference. The C400 does fill in most of those holes, especially for that starting price, but yes, they did take a long time to address some of those issues. I won't be picking one up for at least a couple of years.

[@davidmorefield]

The majority of users are pairing fx6 with fx3, not fx30. That will remove a lot of the hurdles you mention. And at that point, you have the same sensor, same mount… A very complimentary system. Canon makes weird choices sometimes but they do have very usable products. That’s interesting, I have not run into the rf problem as a Sony issue. It was dependent on my mic choice. I had problems when using my c70 and using certain mics. Still had those issues using those mics on my fx6. As I upgraded to the uwp’s, the problems stopped.

[@creativegreatsvisuals]

@@davidmorefieldwhat mics did u use on c70 ? What rf issues did u have with c70 ?

[@davidmorefield]

@@creativegreatsvisuals the rf issues were with the mics, not the camera. Being in heavy wifi areas introduced interference with all of my wifi mics… of course this will happen no matter the camera. Since switching to a higher freq uwp system, no such interference has been encountered.

[@creativegreatsvisuals]

@@davidmorefield what do you mean by higher frequency ? can you be detailed about this please thanks . like above 470 ? Or..?

[@davidmorefield]

@@creativegreatsvisuals I have 941-960

[@scottievee330]

I ordered my C400 from B&H. Can't wait for September. I hear all that you say about Canon taking too long. But they are here now. This will kill with my 24-105 2.8. Pumped. Gonna keep one C70 and sell one and my R5c. Should be good for a long time!! I think this will hurt RED most. Those shooters already have RF glass. Internal ND's and 6k will pull some over. You are one of the few ExCanon now Sony shooters that doesn't bad mouth Canon. A lot of them were very vocal about leaving Canon. I don't see the point in burning bridges.

[@davidmorefield]

Im just voicing my frustrations that led me to leaving. I loved the image I had with my c70. And I totally agree, this with the 24-105 2.8 will be a combo that’s hard to beat. I don’t think this will hurt red at all bc these are two different use cases. Reds don’t make their cameras for one man productions (which this would excel at) and I haven’t been in many sets where they say “we are either going to shoot with red or canon”. It’s usually a difference in production level. I could see this being fantastic for doc work as well. I’m glad finally canon came to their senses and released a killer camera.

[@avx111]

Canon has a bad track record of keeping up with the competition, but to me the 24-105 f2.8 is a compelling enough reason to switch to Canon, with the added benefit of being able to crop in to S35 for extra range and still delivering at 4K. I'm curious if Sony can make a 6k FX6 II without cannibalizing the Burano like it cannibalized the FX9.

[@mbismbismb]

But canon has a very good reputation in their aftersales service 😎 unlike sony hahaha bye

[@danbrockettDOP]

@@mbismbismb I just had my FX6 in to Sony for a minor repair and they had it a month. I lost $700 I had to spend to rent a replacement and all of this was over a .50 screw. I’ve had my C200s in to Canon a few times for repairs as well as lenses and the turnaround was less than a week. Canon repair is awesome, Sony repair, not so much

[@davidmorefield]

Man, you hit the nail on the head. That lens and camera combo will be lethal! I would argue the fx9 has not been cannibalized. It is a staple in reality and broadcast. However, I do see them going for cheap on the used market. That would be worrying if I was an owner.

[@davidmorefield]

@@mbismbismb my fingers are crossed. I’ve never had to send a canon or Sony in for repair.

[@davidmorefield]

@@danbrockettDOP ah man that sucks. Which screw was it?

[@swnup]

6:31 You mean the full size XLR’s Sony put on the handle? And if taken off users lose their XLR input completely 😂. At least Canon put mini’s on the body. The FX6 doesn’t even have false color built in but it cost more than the C70? Huh? None of these brands get it.

[@bernie8811]

FX6 doesn‘t have false colors? At least my 1.400$ R8 has it build in…

[@ryanpallotta5]

yes bigger than fx6 and FX6 has full size XLR BUT the XLR ports are in the top handle of the FX6. sometimes dont want that top handle.

[@davidmorefield]

@@ryanpallotta5 it’s not for everyone. It’s perfect for my projects though. Love that it has an MI shoe, dual full size xlr, gain controls on the operator side and multiple mounting points for the oem lcd.

[@EmeraldAudiovisual]

The miniXLR ports are a total non-issue. You can have mini-XLR to XLR-female dongles on there. A lot of the Blackmagic cameras also use mini-XLR. Lots of cameras do. Also, seeing the C400 has the multifunction hotshoe, you can just add the Tascam Audio adapter and voila: you have 2 full-size XLR (on top of the two mini-XLR) ... and actually 4-channel audio tracks.

[@davidmorefield]

@@EmeraldAudiovisual tascam is a great option. Of course you can get adapters, seems like a poor choice to implement a non traditional design that will require adapters. Foreign to every other camera in their cinema lineup besides c70. I had c70 and the adapting process was easy to overcome and inconvenient at the same time.

[@AcastroAX]

Those 2 cameras are miles apartC400 & FX6. C400 compares to the FX9 better and can make an argument against the Burano.

[@DuffTV]

Canon colours

[@danbrockettDOP]

@@DuffTVI agree. I have three Canons (C200 x 2, C300 MKII) and the FX6. I like the size, AF and VND on the FX6. But image wise, the Canons have better skin tones and color unless you spend a lot of time and post to make the Sony look as good. But no clients ask for Canon in 2024, only Sony. So I reluctantly had to buy an FX6, have a big client who owns two and my Canons weren’t matching their cameras. Weekly gig, live, I had no choice. But I still like my Canons better overall.

[@davidmorefield]

@@danbrockettDOP I ran into this as well. The clients (who are paying my life’s income 😂) kept requesting the same brand. Naturally, I made it easier for them to choose me. Some people are hung up on specs and forget this part of the decision making process.

[@PrisonJunkie]

Miles apart? C'mon now

[@davidmorefield]

I wouldn’t say miles apart but the c400 has two great headline features: 6k and internal raw! My issue is ‘will a client be requesting this camera?’ I am continually asked to work in a Sony workflow, from clients around the world. This c400 is feature packed and can handle almost any job. But if the client prefers a different brand, the point is moot. Is a c400 better than an fx9? Maybe. However it will take a while for the popular client demands of Sony FX9/6/3 to change. That’s all I’m saying.

[@Sutterjack]

Great points - I use a FX6 at work and I just bought a used C70 for my personal camera (coming from a C100 M2). I'm personally a long time Canon shooter with a lot of EF glass but I understand the frustration with the Canon cine offerings. I came from a super 35 sensor so I understood the pros and cons of the format. I think the Panasonic S52 is an insanely great camera for the money, but once you had built in NDs very hard to go back. It will be interesting to see the direct comparison videos between the FX6 and C400 but I'm sure the C400 will produce fine images just like the FX6

[@michaelscott4460]

I know a number of people who use 70 with the 605. It's nice to have a smooth servo zoom

[@davidmorefield]

@@michaelscott4460 servo comes in handy!

[@michaelscott4460]

@davidmorefield that's what drives me nuts. OK they can't put it on a fx3 or Panasonic s5iix but they can't put it on a c70 or c400 ?

[@baekmedier]

So sad they didnt found a way to have a full frame DGO sensor.. and still good rolling shutter. Meybe in ten years

[@davidmorefield]

Honestly, I don’t think it’ll be a noticeable issue once people start using the cam. Supposedly it already has great DR.

[@AcastroAX]

@@davidmorefield DR should be around 12.3 real stops close to C70 and half a stop over FX6 which is negligible. Again from CVP tests and comments.

[@baekmedier]

@@davidmorefield ofc it som have really good DR :) my concern is where the DR range is.. The C70 has really good DR in the hightlights.. thats why I personally love the C70s picture. Its not that impressive in the shadows though.. but thats not a big problem for me..

[@louie8488]

@@baekmedier serious? the C70's whole thing is being able to bring up the shadows in post while still retaining colour depth/IQ... madness comment

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

@@davidmorefield it's rated for 16 stops but I'm waiting on a ton more real world footage to come out before making that call. I did see one channel that paired their demo c400 with some demo DZO Arles cine glass and it looked very comparable to type of footage I like to shoot with my c70, I'm very hopeful for this new system, it should be a bigger step up from the 70 because of it's features. And now that the c400 has been announced as a 6k FF cam the chances of the c70 mk2 going full frame too is very unlikely - But we'll probably get their next gen smaller DGO as a compromise. Canon also has a history of releasing the more expensive camera first in their mid teir line ups so I wouldn't be surprised if they announce the c70 mk2 in October/November once the c400 is out in the market. Going to wait and see, even though I grabbed a place in line for the c400 already, my guess is the 70 mk2 won't have anywhere near the same connectivity feature set but will still be amazing, and that doesn't solve many of my pain points with the system.

[@Felix19622]

David Hello, Canon EVF-V50 OLED Viewfinder Will this viewfinder fit the new Canon C400 camera and will it work? and the second question is, is it possible to fix the manfrotto pad directly to the bottom of this chamber? or do you need an additional platform separately?

[@davidmorefield]

I have no clue

[@heartshapedfilms]

The evf 50 probably won't work due to it not having a video port though maybe canon will make an adaptor? You could watch the proav and CVP videos to get a better feel of the camera in terms of ports accessories and io or go to a canon event that should pop up near you

[@MikeKangaroo-cj3gk]

You need an eye piece loupe for your fx6. You’ll need the flop stop also but it’s a game changer when you have a loupe.

[@davidmorefield]

Nah I don’t like the fx6 evf. It’s not sharp enough. I prefer the smallhd 502. I’d be open to a 3rd party evf though.

[@travisminneapolis]

When I see a camera company bring something like MIDI XLRs I wonder who they think their audience is for this camera

[@davidmorefield]

@@travisminneapolis Exactly. And it’s so trivial too. Just put full size in and don’t make it harder on your customer that is paying for your upper end client. What does that mean? If I want built in full size xlr, then I have to go to one of your older cameras with an outdated mount? Makes no sense

[@briscoevisuals]

Good for Canon users.... but is this camera enough to get Sony FX6 users to jump ship to Canon? I don't know. It would mean not only changing cameras, but lenses etc.. it's a lot of effort and potential loss to jump ship. I'd also like to see the image v the Canon C70. The C70's DGO sensor was unreal at capturing a great image with unreal DR, this has the 3 base ISO feature, but that doesn't particularly mean a great deal to me. FX6 at 12800 plus the VND works more than fine.

[@italogiardina8183]

The duel fisheye lens for 3D content along with the C400 gives options the other systems lack for now.

[@davidmorefield]

@@italogiardina8183 that’s an interesting combo. Which industries would use it?

[@italogiardina8183]

@@davidmorefield All sectors of the emerging economy that augments reality to their field. Although the Canon RF 5.2mm f/2.8 L Dual Fisheye lens is specifically designed for the RF mount, which is found on Canon's mirrorless cameras like the EOS R5, R5 C, and R6 Mark II. The Canon EOS C400, on the other hand, uses the EF mount. While there are EF-to-RF mount adapters available, using them with the Dual Fisheye lens might lead to issues with communication and functionality, as the lens relies on specific electronic connections for proper operation and 3D image processing. Canon has not officially stated compatibility between the RF 5.2mm f/2.8 L Dual Fisheye lens and the EOS C400, and there's no evidence of successful use cases in the community.

[@davidmorefield]

@@italogiardina8183 So… which industries are using it?

[@italogiardina8183]

@@davidmorefield Virtual fashion, engineering applications and entertainment.

[@davidmorefield]

@@italogiardina8183 Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[@chrisw443]

I still am scared to invest in a mount that is only on one brand of camera.

[@davidmorefield]

Technically, two counting red. We’ll see how long they hold that mount though.

[@KonnorGann]

Komodo uses RF mount. RF mount is the goat!

[@danielbranam8503]

Hey David. I was glad to see this camera drop. Right now, my outdoor productions are C70 and C300 M3. This full frame opens up my wide angle style for on the boat as I'm always limited when using the 35mm senor. Nice take, I know you still have some Canon love in your heart. ❤

[@davidmorefield]

It might be overkill but I think you would crush your productions with the c409 and 24-105 2.8. Does that combo interest you at all?

[@danielbranam8503]

@@davidmorefield definitely! I could basically stay on that lens all day long.

[@nielsleusink3903]

I am very curious to hear what you think of the C400 in combination with the Canon RF 24-105mm F/2.8 L. This seems like a super versatile setup, something you are always looking for. It checks all the boxes in my opinion: f2.8 across the entire zoom range, stabilization, internal NDs, high dynamic range (10bit), autofocus, XLR inputs, HDMI and SDI inputs. I hope you get the chance to test this setup! Thank you for your videos, they are very informative and I watch every upload. Keep up the good work!

[@davidmorefield]

That sounds like the perfect pairing!!

[@krishnayalla676]

Sony is killing it right now but the c70 still represents a more unique proposition vs the fx6. The formfactor with the codecs are still I think offer something that is the closest we have of a hybrid cinema camera. Yes the fx6 has fullframe and better low light but other than that, i don't the image especially in the departs of color's is where it's at. Granted alot of the negatives of the c70 came from it's initial release but canon has shown their commitments to really powerful firmware updates. Again the fx6 is a great camera but it really doesn't offer that much over an a7s/fx3 while the c70 especially at some of these used price points is giving a c300mk3 sensor in a really compelling small formfactor. I think alot of your reason's make sense to consider a move but not enough to switch systems especially if there is a huge investment in new media and glass.

[@davidmorefield]

For me it came down to continually being asked to fit in a Sony workflow when I owned that c70. After enough time, I followed the money and now I am continuously hired bc I own the fx6. I hear your perspective but there were a ton more reasons to pick the fx6: the internal electronic nd, full size xlr, sdi, bnc timecode, lcd in front of camera (not rear), ports on the back (not on the side), high base iso is like a magic button, full frame- ehh I don’t care too much about that, gain dials are in the side of camera (not behind lcd screen), more dedicated buttons, more tally lights. It’s a long list. Both cameras look great. C70 does look better (in well lit situations) but I saw so many benefits in Sony land and that’s why I switched. I do agree with you that c70 is a more unique proposition. It’s a fantastic camera.

[@memostothefuture]

I own two C300-3 and this whole hubbub about switching the audio inputs to the other side is confusing to me. The preamps are absolutely solid and reliable and I never take them out of auto. They are plug and forget. I personally run audio from each mic into two channels, the second one recording the signal at -30% in case of a loud pop but I don't even need that. Not once in the thousands of hours operating have I felt the need to adjust audio levels while on the shoulder. I am however also happy to see the triple base ISO and that they reintroduced 1fps, which will make timelapses quicker to do. Let's hope the C300-4 comes soon. (and I do still shoot EF. not gonna buy all lenses anew.)

[@davidmorefield]

Which features would be helpful to you in a c300iv?

[@memostothefuture]

@@davidmorefield I want XFAVC 6k. That is what kept me from getting the C500II and the C400 - anything higher than 4K is only RAW and that is not something I do in my workload 99% of the time. Anything else would be nice but isn't crucial: an electronic level, 32bit float audio. The Burano was interesting to me but there were too many negatives in reviews for me to try it and the price is ridiculous.

[@EamonGlavin]

It checks like 80% of my wishlist boxes... so I guess I'll have to patiently wait for 3rd parties before upgrading from the C70. Guess I'm basically just hoping for Canon's version of the RED Komodo X with internal ND's and actual lowlight capability like Sony. I really don't want to be forced to use that screen + top handle, I'd much rather a 5" or 7" monitor that's powered through the system to avoid cables with camera controls like RED's DSMC2 monitors. Griffin Conway said the V mount plate from the c500 mark ii will fit it, I just hope it charges the Canon camera battery so I don't have to bring a charger for it, and if not - here's to hoping someone also makes a BPA30 sized battery that can be charged off USB-C.

[@davidmorefield]

No it would not charge it. That vmount adapter is simply sending voltage through the dc input. I’d love for all manufacturers to make beautiful bright, cable-less monitors.

[@TomislavMoze]

there are BPA batteries that can be charged through the usb-c not sure if there are size 30 available.

[@EamonGlavin]

@@TomislavMoze I have looked everywhere for a size BPA30 but haven't found them, just BPA60 ones (and I have 3 of the SWIT ones that do and it's the best)

[@EamonGlavin]

@@davidmorefield That's what I figured on the battery front... SmallRig please, you're my only hope.

[@luker1ng]

Just switched for the Canon R6 Markii to the FX6 very happy so far. Canon was too late to the party. I agree with all of your points.

[@davidmorefield]

That’s a very common story!

[@Burritosarebetterthantacos]

Im kinda mad how much im losing on the r6 mii in just year.

[@HakimZziwaTips]

Well stated, totally agree, it is definitely a C70 buddy, problem is some of these companies egos over shadow their ability to learn from their competitors. Sad!

[@davidmorefield]

Canon is becoming a boomer. 👴🏻

[@ryanpallotta5]

doesn't the c70 have time code? there is a port in the front of camera

[@davidmorefield]

@@ryanpallotta5 it does but not a traditional bnc

[@urielsantistebanfilms]

I'm eager to get this camera. I love the C70 but I was looking for a FF, more robust and faster camera. However the lack of DGO tech and the clinical-broadcasting look that I'm seeing online is keeping from pre-order it. I guess I will have to wait for the field tests.

[@davidmorefield]

Honestly it looks like an amazing cam despite lack of dgo. But not a bad decision to wait for more footage offerings.

[@JanWilliamsBailey]

I've Used the C70 on a lot of corporate gigs and I really like the camera. But there's 2 massive downsides and 1 mini downside which I hate about it; The mini XLR ports means we have to use a adapter cable just to get proper audio into the camera which means more cables on to the camera, the loose flip out screen that flips down on its own even when the screw is tight which I fixed on a prep day, even with a cage on. And I did notice on 1 shoot its not that great in low light screens even with 2 aperture mini lights at full strength, couldn't bring a full LED panels as We wasn't allowed to for safety as we was filming horses. I also don't know if this is possible But this has bugged me on every shoot, Which even better cameras also Like the C300s Used every mark on a doc shoot for film school. Not being able to change camera setting quickly on the monitor that Directly talks to the camera. If there is a monitor that does that, They can take my money.

[@davidmorefield]

Yeah I’d love it if the oem monitors were larger, brighter and sharper so that I would need an external one.

[@ryanpallotta5]

is it not strange that you can only get 6k in raw?

[@davidmorefield]

@@ryanpallotta5 Canon is infamous for making weird choices

[@stewartmunrovideo]

Keep up the good work David !

[@f0t0b0y]

7:57 in the handle. You can attach the tascam xlr2d-c on the handle for a fx6 style, full size xlr out. 🤓

[@davidmorefield]

Ouh that is a very interesting workaround!

[@f0t0b0y]

@@davidmorefield I mean, like you said, it’s really not a big deal. It’s an act accordingly, have the right cords situation.

[@TheRonellCross]

Would you rather have a Burano or Multiple C400s?

[@davidmorefield]

At this point, it depends which ecosystem I am invested in. I guess I would choose burano just bc it is called for more.

[@dsdddsd4543we]

I don't think we will see a 6K FX6 Mark II. I think a redesign will need to happen and they would now need a 6K sensor with the same if not better low light performance.

[@davidmorefield]

Better low light performance? Is there a need. I think they are already the industry leaders on that feature

[@sa.t.2507]

As an FX9 user I will go with C400. It does everything my FX9 does in a much smaller and lighter body while offering Raw. Does that make sense?😂

[@davidmorefield]

It makes sense if you have the right lenses? Do you have emount and will you be selling everything to buy rf?

[@sa.t.2507]

@@davidmorefield yeah I have currently the Sigma 24 70 Art and 35 1.2 Art for the E mount.

[@chrisweber7460]

I think also that this camera comes late! I have never understood Canon and i don't like the handling!

[@sethflix]

Your audio is crap, until 8:32. Don't run the a/c while filming.

[@davidmorefield]

Too hot in Florida. Sorry, AC stays on.

[@vivalasvegas702]

C400 basically took some features from Burano, FX9-6-3 and added triple base iso. This is actually a genius move of Canon.

[@davidmorefield]

They should’ve copied the full size xlr from all those cameras 😁

[@swnup]

@@davidmorefield You mean the full size XLR’s Sony put on the handle? And if taken off users lose their XLR input completely 😂. At least Canon put mini’s on the body. The FX6 doesn’t even have false color built in but it cost more than the C70? Huh? None of these brands get it.

[@LoungearoundTV]

Too little and almost too late. It would be interesting to see sony put their new 8k sensors in the fx3 m2 and the fx6 m2 with raw recording. I was legitimately looking at c500, but hated the fact it stopped at 5.8 among other things. This camera just scrapes in, but they stopped at 12 bit raw....similar to the black magic 6k pro. For most people, raw is useless, but in my area of doco making, its amazing. Why not 16bit? why not Ibis (this is needed for handheld primes), and why 6k is raw only and the other formats can record in mp4? I also hate adapters, mini xlr like the black magic is awfull to use, and they stick out which means you need to buy adaptors that turn sideways so it doesn't do that. Great effort from cannon though, but after how many years?

[@davidmorefield]

Completely agree. Sony is savage with their constant releases and new features. Makes for an amazing consumer experience. I also share your hatred for ports that stick out. 😂

[@LoungearoundTV]

​@@davidmorefieldMy guess it's engineering vs buttons. They'll get better at it, but they are playing catch up. Kudos to them for the tripple iso though.

[@marklholloway]

Nice overview. C400 with R5C will make a great combo. A full frame C70 would also be welcome.

[@davidmorefield]

Great A/B cam

[@iliaskapatos]

I think the c70 MKII will be a small c400, just not full frame but with 6k and a DGO. This at 4999.- could make people switch to Canon. The aggressive pricing for good products could bring people back to Canon.

[@davidmorefield]

IMO it’s not the price. I wouldn’t switch for just price. It’s the limited lens lineup without fully opening it up to 3rd parties, delayed releases (albeit this one is extremely good), illogical feature segmentation between their products and many others that don’t incentivize customers to invest 10’s of thousands of dollars. Especially when other brands don’t have these self imposed limitations. There’s those of us who think as video creators and those of us who think as business strategists. You need both approaches to succeed but the latter will put you in a more secured position.

[@Hugoponken]

Hi! Thanks for good videos. Which monitor do you use? /Greetings from Sweden

[@davidmorefield]

Smallhd 502 Bright

[@Tommy_Beal]

good breakdown man!

[@milestrevelyan]

I have been stuck with Canon with heavy investment in RF glass. So glad lots of people moved to Sony as that has to hurt Canon which will hopefully motivate them to get their act together moving forward.

[@davidmorefield]

This cam is a great step forward. As I heard someone else say, “It has stopped the bleeding.” Haha

[@dukebozikowski3801]

Canon is still slightly behind due to a lack of first party lenses. But this wouldn’t be an issue for people adapting manual lenses.

[@davidmorefield]

That is a huge consideration. And since they are preventing third parties to make full frame lenses, it doesn’t inspire confidence to invest 10’s of thousands of dollars. Sony has opened their E mount to everyone and this has an ample amount of choices for every price of customer. Smarter business practice in my opinion.

[@dukebozikowski3801]

@@davidmorefield Yeah exactly! They finally brought out a good RF 35mm but its too late now. I do think the C400 is better than the FX6 but not by THAT much. Especially since the FX6 is about 4 years old.

[@raredreamfootage]

Lumix user here, I'm adding the Ronin 4D to meet my bigger camera needs.

[@davidmorefield]

Lmk how it works out. That system looks interesting.

[@AcastroAX]

The removal of DGO was in benefit of read speed

[@davidmorefield]

I think that’s a fair trade off

[@AcastroAX]

@@davidmorefield i love the image out of the C70 but if they can get close without DGO better.

[@filipmichalsaffray441]

If canon use USB C could could they use Blackmagiv New USB C view finder?

[@davidmorefield]

I didn’t think of that! 🤔

[@filipmichalsaffray441]

@@davidmorefield is USB C monitor IO the new norm? It could be very interesting.

[@davidmorefield]

@@filipmichalsaffray441 love that idea. Power and picture through one cable

[@ludovicavice3496]

Yes it is. Bmd implemented it as it should be a universal way to have power n image to fuel these high res n high brightness evf ​@filipmichalsaffray441

[@jonwaldman94]

Great points all around. I left canon for similar reasons. If I was invested in canon, I’d be stoked on this! Mini xlr though is very strange especially for an $8,000 camera (price check?). I mean doesn’t the FX30 have XLR?! 😂. I think I might just be a Sony fan boy

[@davidmorefield]

Every camera in this price range and size range has full size xlr. It should be a non-issue.

[@colstarproduction8609]

Just curious will you be switching back to canon?

[@davidmorefield]

Never 💀

[@filipmichalsaffray441]

@@davidmorefield What about GH7 and arri log C 3?maybe more appealing ?

[@davidmorefield]

@@filipmichalsaffray441 I have no reason to spend a ton of money for an ecosystem change that none of my clients are requesting. It would be a step backwards business wise.

[@billmakesmovies]

Sony needs to release a 24-105 F2.8 PZ lens, a Mi Shoe to 3.5mm adapter, figure out a lighter codec update for 4K 10 bit, and the FX6 will be near perfect as is for another 2-4 years. Oddly enough, I would be more interested in buying an FX9 II with some tweaks so I can have a true “big” camera, before I am interested an FX6 II with more resolution or something. I like the FX6 as is, just needs a better PZ choice than the original old 28-135 and that’s about it. Now if they wanted to figure out how to marry the two - make an FX8 or something where it’s got all the broadcast I/O needs, and is smaller than an FX9, but slightly bigger than the FX6, priced at $8000, I would be okay with that too. Really still want to see an update to the Sony camcorder lineup with 4K 10 bit and S-Cinetone, but I also went ahead and got the Canon XF605 to fill that camcorder role in the meantime. The hardest part about that so far has been going back to the old ND system. The electronic VND on the FX6 is just so darn good. Anyways, investing in glass is where I’m focused now, and I’m going all in on Sony. Canon lost me years ago and it would be difficult to get me to go back. The C400 isn’t it. Oh, and I thought their demo film looked muddy and dark. Didn’t look anything special to me. The ProAV test footage looked better.

[@davidmorefield]

24-105 2.8 pz would be fantastic

[@JoATTech]

I wonder if FX6 mark 2 will crash C400? :D Looks like we might get mark 2 this year actually.

[@davidmorefield]

I don’t think there will be much of a c400 wave to crash. A few canon users will purchase the c400 but I think that’ll be about it.

[@JoATTech]

​@@davidmorefield By crashing I mean in terms of specs. C400 is interesting, but for me FX6 is still better choice. I wonder if internal RAW recording is now allowed when Nikon bought RED, since GH7 is just doing it :D. So maybe FX6 mk2 will do it to. I guess the only missing things for the original FX6 are: 1) lack of XLR on the body. 2) Lack of 3:2 (I know sensor is 17:9) and anamorphic modes. Other than that it's really complete camera. 3) Not sure shutter angle is already in ver 4.0 or will be added in 5.0. Lack of shutter angle was/is for me very confusing in "cinema cameras". Good thing about C400 is this triple base ISO and the fact that there is 24-105 F2.8 in RF. Other than that, as you said ... 4 years too late :D.

[@davidmorefield]

@@JoATTech I actually like the xlr in the top handle. It means my cables don’t have to travel far for the mics. 2) open gate is cool. Not a necessity for me. 3) shutter angle has always been in the fx6 since day 1.

[@QWSfilms]

I got to play with the C400 at Cinegear over the weekend. Its a great camera, definitely the FX6 for canon users. It feels more rugged than the FX6 but I would still stick with Sony.

[@davidmorefield]

I’m glad canon made it!

[@crysistec]

Sometimes I feel bad for not caring enough about hardware now days But a great POV of a Sony user . I might be going against the grain But I moved from the fx6/fx3 to r5c/c70 I could do with the canon limitation I just couldn’t stand convoluted menu system The lack of consistent updates And the lackluster quality ND in the fx6 I still rent the fx6 from time to time when I really really need a good AF system

[@davidmorefield]

I’ve only heard and experience the opposite with the fx6 nd’s. What problems were you encountering?

[@crysistec]

@@davidmorefield one of the reasons I got the fx6 is the electronic variable ND Downsizing and I didn’t wanna deal with 4x5.6 filters anymore because dealing with MB’s is painful especially in my line of work where it’s intensive most of the time So basically Moving down from LEE pro and Schneider circular nds The color difference is massive From IR pollution to noticeable color shifts especially with the greens and reds Owned the Schneider set for 8 years I work in sports and fashion for context So you can imagine how colorful and varied the environments

[@its_lori9602]

First, before you crap all over EF lenses: These were some of the best available (many still are). Many were developed before digital and therefore have the image circle to cover full frame sensors. I am not saying that RF optics are not good, however optics do not move at the pace of innovation of electronics. A 20 year old (for example, 70-200mm f2.8 zoom) is still totally relevant today. I have a c200 and a c500. Both perform excellently, probably for many years to come. I refuse to lock in losses on perfectly good EF lenses just to chase the shiny new object (EOS R). Most likely I will commit to the ARRI PL mount on the C500 since the really good and interesting glass seems to be largely PL.

[@davidmorefield]

I didn’t crap on ef lenses. I said they are getting outdated. You are proving my point. You are moving on to pl lenses. Leaving behind your ef lineup. Many others are doing the same and they are skipping RF lenses, again… like yourself. Canon is not creating a playful ecosystem like other brands. Too many limitations and delayed releases. It makes other brands more enticing to adopt and invest in.

[@its_lori9602]

@@davidmorefield Sorry, David, I think I misstated your point. My point was the EF lenses are in some cases superior to any on the market at this time. Short of being abused many are, and will continue to function well into the future. Certainly if one can make use of EF lenses today there are fine bargains to had. I've dipped into the used market on K*H and bought some nice examples, many in basically new condition. If I was starting again I absolutely would go with the RF system due the advantages (mainly, no mirror, clearly the high-wear part.) I am curious, Is the C400 mount capable of being (semi?) permanently switched to PL? (sans adapters, like the C500?) Anyway my C200 will inherit the EF stuff anyway and I have 3 Canon EOS still bodies for other photography. What I probably won't do is liquidate my EF stuff in favor of RF. The EF lenses work well today, and with careful handling and storage will probably stay so for years beyond my time on this planet.

[@davidmorefield]

@@its_lori9602 I still see tons of people with ef lenses. If their workflows don’t need a change then I say keep it running!

[@AcastroAX]

FX6 has full size XLR 7:57 7:59 in the handle but none on the body. What are you talking about?

[@davidmorefield]

Do you think it would actually make the c400 that much bigger to have regular xlr?

[@AcastroAX]

@@davidmorefield not really but I think is a minor adjustment. You can have adapters or full cables for cheap and a good sound guy will have one of them.

[@davidmorefield]

@@AcastroAX it’s a conveniency issue that doesn’t need to exist IMO.

[@lucasvivante8988]

​@@davidmorefieldmini xlr to full size xlr adapter are reliable. Xlr connector are very sturdy and you can extend them very easily without fearing loss of connexion. I would say it's a way to reduce the size quite substantially without losing quality. But for sure it's an inconvenience. When shooting solo you are expecting it so you know yoy have to get the adapters, with a sound guy... I don't think he would expect it

[@robinprobyn1971]

@@AcastroAX No they don't have mini adaptors , thats the problem . Because , drum roll , they are excepting a pro camera to have normal XLR . It's just another thing to go wrong ,and it will . Canon marketing dept really deserve some sort of Oscar for how to screw up and not sell ,pretty decent cameras .

[@TomislavMoze]

Great thoughts, but I disagree that this camera will not get attention from non canon users, I already know few people that are going back to canon from sony for c400 and I can understand why considering the price and that the camera is ready too go straight out the box that is appealing to people that wanna test it. Considering that it has an RF mount even some RED people that I know plan to get one considering regarding usability it offers much more and can do basically the same as Komodo X. At the end I do think sales will show soon if those are just individual cases or if this came build up enough of interest to be popular like komod, fx6 and c70...

[@Burritosarebetterthantacos]

They might be disappointed when they go to grab a sweet Signa or Tamron and realize they need to buy the $3000 RF version.

[@TomislavMoze]

@@Burritosarebetterthantacos If when buying an 8k$ Camera a lens price is a problem than you don’t need that camera.

[@Burritosarebetterthantacos]

@@TomislavMoze I have one RF lens that cost $3400 after tax, so yes the cost matters.

[@louie8488]

the FX6 has full sized XLRs... on its handle 🤮 I'd muuuuch prefer mini XLRs on the body and just pack some converter cables if shooting with a soundy (who should have their own if they're worth their day rate) rather than have the XLRs mounted on the handle but yes it is a very late release from canon, I too switched to sony (just FX3 currently), but am seriously considering jumping back for the C400.. coming from a C70 also, the sony image is fine but really loved the C70 IQ.. will sony release an FX6ii? interesting times

[@davidmorefield]

What would it take for you to switch back to canon? Would you make money or lose money with the switch?

[@louie8488]

@@davidmorefield I like the idea of being able to B/A cam both sony and canon productions, would love to see how the C400 cuts with the C70/C300iii, because that will dictate some jobs.. the C70 was great for B camming on C300iii jobs.. I'd definitely make money buying another camera, but I'd probably make more if it was the FX6ii. However I shoot a bit of doc stuff for myself and I think I'd be happier with a C400 over the next sony offering. Hopefully they let their intentions be known soon so I we can plan ahead

[@Conjuredfilms]

Canon got so cocky and waited too long

[@davidmorefield]

I’m saying

[@EXTREME_PATATOR]

Fx6 with a9mk3 with 6k global shutter around the corner. You are right, Canon is late to the party

[@nes.torfernandez]

This is the first thing that comes to mind every time I hear people saying, “I’ve been waiting for this camera for years” 🤡 Like, what do you mean bro? Lmao, if you need a tool for the job, buy it! Waiting is for losers or people who don’t make enough money to afford the right tools for their job. In either case, they need to get a new hobby. Perhaps one they can afford.

[@davidmorefield]

The issue is when the brand you’ve invested in doesn’t offer a comprehensive product line and doesn’t have logical A/B pairings. The fact that canon did not offer a flagship cinema camera with their current mount is baffling. Then you have loyal customers waiting since they are financially committed to this system. I’m not judging the customer but rather the manufacturer.

[@shem44]

Moved to sony fx6 after selling my 3 canon c100....no regrets...canon is huge disappointment. RF lens are big and heavy whereas sony G masters are becoming smaller and lighter. Sony has a comprehensive library of lenses to choose from including 3rd party. Canon c400 is not going to make any impact as many shooters are already heavily invested in sony ecosystem.

[@davidmorefield]

My thoughts exactly. Also I want smaller, lighter lenses haha

[@KonnorGann]

*550 gram RF 35mm 1.4 has left the chat*

[@DuffTV]

Thanks David, on the money as usual with all the real world nitty gritty that we can all relate to. I'll be getting the 400 , might move my c70 on for all those annoying reasons. Welcome back to Canon. Lol.

[@davidmorefield]

Congrats! It looks like an amazing camera

[@Burritosarebetterthantacos]

Ive got a Canon and 4 RF flagship lenses and a Blackmagic 6k. Im selling the BM to get to the next level and wont be choosing Canon. I will either grab the fx6 or wait and see whats coming in the spring. As a devout Canon guy Im pissed they have kept the mount closed and Im over it. Im selling everything at a loss and heading to greener pastures😂

[@davidmorefield]

@@Burritosarebetterthantacos that was my feeling as well. Why would I invest in a company that restricts themselves and therefore inhibits their customers.

[@fishey1]

What fx6 has xlr in body rubbish they couldn't even fit a 3.5 jack so it has nothing xlr top handle you can use a tascam????

[@davidmorefield]

Tascam sounds like a great option for c400. Yeah my mistake, I made it sound like fx6 has xlr in the body. I actually like it in the handle though.

[@petero1068]

7:01 no disrespect to you, my friend, but this is how you know you got amateurs talking about things they have no idea. If you hire a sound guy, most likely they will have their own mixer and will be recording independently from your camera.

[@davidmorefield]

Yes that is true, I should have clarified. What I meant was that I appreciate when they give me a return so I can hear the feed. Or they are of course recording to their mixer but the director has requested a dirty mix into camera for safety. And I’ve also had it the other way, where the soundie is operating boom and we feed straight into camera. Glad to hear the c400 has so many usable ports though. It should be a hit among canon users.

[@JoATTech]

Sound quality here is really annoying ...

[@davidmorefield]

What was bad about out it? I’m not the best audio post guy.

[@JoATTech]

@@davidmorefield I guess it's AC first 7 or so minutes ... annoying buzz, especially when watching with headphones.

[@davidmorefield]

@@JoATTech yeah that would be my early 2000’s AC y it trying its hardest to combat FL humidity.

[@JoATTech]

@@davidmorefield Davinci has 1 click voice separation which works like a charm, not sure what software you use for your edits.

[@ty-k6708]

I think Sony still has more to offer and I will be switching in 2025. As a freelancer, I work with more Sony teams than Canon and I need to be able to fit in their already established workflows and not change things up by making it harder for them by showing up with a different brand. For me personally, there are just too many red flags with the c400 to keep investing in Canon. I just don't think Canon can truly keep up. This is the camera that should have launched the RF not the c70. This camera is inappropriately late, but you'll have Canon loyalists defending it all day long. Triple base iso sounds really dope, but Sony's Mi shoe is way more enticing for me. The ability to record audio with no cables? Now that's game changing! I just wish the fx6 body had an Mi shoe so you could remove the top handle if needed for gimbal work.

[@davidmorefield]

I absolutely agree with you here. One green flag is not enough to deny the other red flags. And the cable less uwp system has been fantastic, I just adopted it recently. So far, very happy with my choice and the ability to fulfill the constant Sony requests.

[@ty-k6708]

@@davidmorefield I've seen your videos on the UWP system and it sold me on it. I want to also get the DJI mic kit because I do some occasional bts/ social media style shoots and for quick run and gun videography with something like an fx3 would be an amazing combo! Especially since DJI just came out with that Mi adapter for Sony cameras.

[@davidmorefield]

@@ty-k6708 yep both are great systems. I prefer the uwp for reliability.

[@LoungearoundTV]

Looks like theres denoising artefacts on Canon's promo short film video at 1.25 and 1.28. fairly terrible on the blue light...not sure if that happens on Sony. kzbin.info/www/bejne/marIcplriKt4rsk

[@jrcallahan506]

Canon in the Equivalent of apple in practicality.

[@davidmorefield]

Highly disagree.

[@rumorscameras]

everyone left canon, they entered filmaking only 2010,,,but then flopped at around 2020...so y ws made for video

[@davidmorefield]

@@rumorscameras they could’ve kept their market share but instead they kept making illogical product decisions. Now they’ve lost the beginners who have turned into professionals.

[@rumorscameras]

@@davidmorefield true. When i started in 90s i had canon. Bcz my parents had canons for family photos. Automatically at uni i had a cankn. Them when we opened our agency we bought canons...then....nothing. oh except we had 25 grand in lenses we cant use anymore. There s that. And thats it 4 years canon c 70 so with youtube productions we got stuck so we just changed to sony a73 a7iv and fx3's with all sigma emount...davinci is great we dnt complain . Apart from sony CS of ciurse. But best move ever. Sony fx6 is 6k while the c500mk2 is what price of a civic. It s insane. They focusing on m mount then lets launvh 13 entry level rf mount then we dnt give our mount to sigma wtf...it s a company that got some disorder for sure. While sony is making video gear for decadess

[@rumorscameras]

@@davidmorefield sorry forgot something...what black magic is doing to the entry level market is doing some blackmagic to canon hahaha. Everyone starting is getting a cheap cinema camera with raw from bmd for a grand and learns to pull focus the right way this is great for the industry tbh. If u want great start for all cinema students and starting filmakers its bmd then sony for those who need a stable system and autofocus. Cankn is just behind....it almost seems like they go google what customers want and rush products out ...oh they keep talking about a cube camera lets get c400 bcz we ran out of names

[@baerichardson]

When attending Full Sail for the Digital Cinematography program, they stocked us with the Sony FX6. I then invested in the A7 IV, FX3 AND A6700. I held on to my R6 for almost 9 months even after I had the A7 IV until I decided to sell it, because I actually thought I may come back to Canon someday. All my Sonys have their place in my workflow. I have one set of Ef mounts and that’s the Xeen CF Ciné Primes. Everything else is E mount. I am not impressed or may never be with their new RF cinema lineups. This C400 is nice but it seems from this release even the future lineups will not convince me to come back. Sony has my heart and my damn $$$ too for at least the next 8 years or so.

[@davidmorefield]

Each company wants to keep you financially tethered to them. That’s fine. I just need a comprehensive camera lineup if that’s the case.

[@walmartpimp2]

I went to Full Sail back in 2006, and for our digital cinematography class we used the Panasonic HVX200. After I got my A7S III I said to myself “I bet Full Sail is gonna start using these or the FX3 or FX6” and now I know I was right. Thanks fellow alumni.

[@samiiromaar]

Me watching these videos of a product way out of my league 😂

[@davidmorefield]

It’s still helpful to be aware.

[@ludovicavice3496]

When i see these high paying pros still running fs7 m2 and shotting tv shows to documentary on them😅 and the images they got is better than most fx3/6 users. i seriously dont see how they are going back to canon 😊 sony managed to impose that their modern look as the standard for what looks pro... its like on a subconscious level, your audience relate to the pro look even though sony dont have the best colors! I tested that with some clients n even my family members that have zero knowledge in videography. Everyone chose sony vs bmd or even panasonic vlog! I even created a node tree to make bmd6k match my fx3 and got compliments that i managed to raise my quality 😅

[@davidmorefield]

That interesting. I’d argue it’s not on a subconscious level but rather a very tangible workflow level. Most production companies in tv/doc are use to Sony, the workflow, the log curve. And it’s easier to just keep going down this established path.

[@ludovicavice3496]

@davidmorefield subconscious on the audience level that knows nothing about camera gears. But definitely, the slog curve is understood by every editor now and these in camera proxies is a gem for fast delivery even with an old laptop. I personally noticed a drop in quality from moving from bmd but my clients think the opposite, and I don't have to buy 8tb hard drive every 3 months now.

[@heartshapedfilms]

I feel it odd everyone moaning about mini xlrs, while you have gripe yourself surely if youre working with a sound guy he'll have the right tools and if not you'd have your own mini to full xlr so where is the hiccup.? Also you say the song manages to keep xlrs, but thats not true theyre on the handle which is probably my biggest issue with the fx6 and you can also get the tascam adaptor for the canon if it is an absolute issue. So for me seems a non starter and is just something to say canon has a bad thing here, so if thats it, it has to be a pretty outstanding camera overall! Personally i am all for mini xlrs if they keep size and weight down and stay on the body. I feel if sony had done this it would have been heraled as an amazing feat to bring along a new standard and revolutionise audio in the self shooter space. Say if it had one on the body of the fx3. Just so you guys know i am neither a canon or aony shooter and just hire what is needed for the day.

[@davidmorefield]

I was complaining about the mini xlr’s when I had the c70. I was not a fan bc they are not industry standard. Can they work with adapters? Absolutely. And that’s what I had to do. I’m just saying it’s easier when no adapters are required. More adapters means more vulnerability points. I definitely wouldn’t herald Sony if they switched to mini, that would make no sense to me. Now the tascam sounds like a great option! And it would increase it to 4 available inputs. I like that idea.

[@heartshapedfilms]

@@davidmorefield just to be clear, I am not harping on that you're reasoning isn't valid, I just don't see it as an overall issue, and I wasn't saying you would triumph Sony personally. You seem rather consistent with your post not of views and is why I watch your content and feel fine to comment - I wouldn't bother if not, so testiment to you.and your content. Though wouldn't you prefer the fx3 to have one XLR on the body even if it was just a mini? While the tascam makes it almost moot (you still have to buy an additional device) what's wrong with just buying cables that you need? I am sorry if I am missing something but you can just buy long enough cables and it's not like you have to make a mic go to mini XLR or anything like that. While it's not 100% industry standard I am pretty sure a lot of people will go this way. Standards do eventually change and update and it may seem in a few years that this was a great move. Perspective is everything.

[@davidmorefield]

@@heartshapedfilms I actually don’t share the perspective that many others have when they complain about wanting xlr’s in the body. At first, I was complaining too, then after months of use, I realized I liked having both inputs next to each other. I prefer them at the front near the lens so there isn’t so much cable travel. And I really like that they connect to the top handle. That handle is perfect for me; it has the MI shoe that I use for the UWP’s (love that there’s no cables). It has a record button, menu navigation , custom buttons, mounting points and a comfortable grip. So I actually hope they don’t change that in the mark ii.

[@paulloth]

Canon Killed themselves...sooo many people switched to Sony. That all started with the R5...they HAVE to Release like 10 new Cameras/Lenses this year to get people to switch back.

[@milestrevelyan]

Canon would have to change their arrogant attitude to get people to switch back. They would need to listen to their customers more and respond faster. Canon spent so much time with their Canon cripple hammer on the lower end cameras to protect their 'cinema line', that they didn't realise people would move to other brands, and then move up onto the cinema lines of those other brands as their businesses grew.

[@gradianpictures]

Canon has loose their reputation, im canon user from 10 year an nobody want a canon camera in 2024, Everybody want a sony camera, even the photographer switching from 5D series to sony. No innovation, Rf lens fully closed and uncomplete. Nonsense on cinema division, big compromise for any camera their building today, even the quality of construction is compromise from R series and feel cheap. i plan to sold my R5 and R6 to Buy an FX3, Canon hasn't an equivalent, where is the 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 1.4 ? very sad

[@davidmorefield]

This! They are not realizing the needs of their professional base. Of course they will always sell tons of consumer grade cameras but it’s a missed opportunity to not have a logical product line.

[@MrGygygygy]

the canon crippelhamer.....

[@davidmorefield]

It barely touched it this time!!

[@KonnorGann]

@@davidmorefieldtruth

[@aiofilms]

Canon has long proven themselves to be the King of Toothpaste Squeezer in terms of offering technologies and features in their products, a very bad business practice and is unkind to their loyal customers.

[@davidmorefield]

Toothpaste squeezer is wild 😂 Accurate af

[@DavisInDuval]

I saw the release and was very unimpressed given the hype. Very happy to have adopted Sony years ago.

[@davidmorefield]

I am impressed actually! I just think they waited too long. So many people have now invested in E mount or other platforms.