Captain Marvel is a VILLAIN

[@LostChord]

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[@carlosrivas1629]

The marvels needed the six episode arc for fans not a movie in the fall when Leo Decaprio cannot make its budget with his white guilt movie.

[@Jaden-l4d]

​@@carlosrivas16292 REPLIES

[@nopejhonson958]

arguably Tony Stark was a villain with a redemption arc that never fully gets it right, but keeps trying

[@gamer2021]

Did you not watch the marvels? Yeah, they literally spell out that she was a villain instead of a hero, specifically to the Kree. She even says that she was broken, and her ego got in front of her being able to be a hero at the time, and that's why the Kree are going after her. The part that's sexism is that you think characters like the flash, superman, cyborg insert any male character that is just granted powers without deserving it and think that's a shot against her instead of a trope in super heroes regardless of sex.

[@emsnewssupkis6453]

Yes Carol is a villain, she kills everyone for no reasons. Even Thanos is better.

[@strangeloveofnevada]

"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them." A line that most definitely should have been cut.

[@knotgradaunknown7414]

Having never seen WandaVision, I have to ask, is that line said sincerely or to placate a madwoman with reality breaking powers?

[@JohnSmith-XYZ]

@@knotgradaunknown7414 It came across as a sincere line delivery to me when I watched WandaVision. Good question tho.

[@shaoronmd]

​​@@knotgradaunknown7414as someone who has... no. it was sincere. in the last few episodes, we were told that Wanda did it on her own. At one point we assumed Agatha manipulated her into doing it, but no. Agatha said she noticed what had happened and infiltrated the hex to figure out what was going on. Honestly, I don't mind the storyline like this but then they still wanted her to be heroic. If they leaned in to make her a full-fledged villain, that would've worked better.... to be fair to wanda, she did acknowledge what she did was wrong, but to make her feel better, Monica said those words.

[@knotgradaunknown7414]

@aweigh1010 Thanks for the reply.

[@bernardotorres5274]

The one line that Kille Monica Rambo character even before having a leading roll

[@onetwo5155]

And she is not even a good villain; she is a weak minded, pathetic villain. She is the kind of villain that actual villains, with intelligence, willpower and drive, use as pawns or foot soldiers. She really is the lowest of the low.

[@alansmithee5595]

That might be an interesting idea, let her think she is the hero, but really she has been the foot soldier for the super villain this entire time.

[@jaqua7732]

Good call on that one

[@yonatanpony8878]

@@alansmithee5595 that will be the best plot twist of all the MCU probably

[@Anthyrion]

@@yonatanpony8878 And with the actual Disney Bosses in charge, that is something, that would never happen. But again: Fans do have better ideas, then a billion dollar company with countless writers

[@JohnDoe-dr9ff]

That would be a brilliant twist for Marvel giving excellent potential for her growth as a character and a fascinating story arc. But…that would require painting her as being naive and easily manipulated which liberal, “strong woman” writers are absolutely incapable of doing so. But my goodness, it would damn near redeem her character as being flawed and identifiable.

[@dr.medieval1131]

Carol shares the same moral compass as her Hollywood writers. She is a villain, cause they are villains.

[@daveleevicks8749]

Under-rated statement.....And the crazy part is it's not even a dig or dis, but just a bit of reality.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

Like at the end of Secrets of Dumbledore- Characters assisted a genocidal character, but were forgiven because they hugged it out. No repercussions after whatsoever. You're absolutely right.

[@PeregrinTintenfish]

They don't have a moral compass besides identity politics.

[@VernHestandIII]

Nailed it

[@jaqua7732]

Oooo 😬

[@chikowashere]

She should've been the villain of the next phase of the MCU. No one should be able to stop her, until Rogue steals her powers and that's how you reintroduce the X-Men.

[@macmcleod1188]

Hey that's a pretty good idea. But I'm afraid it's probably too late.

[@danstrikker6465]

I actually like that idea

[@warfighter4129]

Damn thats a solid idea!

[@richardharrison4762]

Aye that’s in the 90s cartoon!

[@chikowashere]

@@macmcleod1188 My other idea was a horror movie set in the Canadian wilderness. Some wild animal or monster is brutally murdering people vacationing at a cabin. At the end the monster is revealed to be a man, with metal knives protruding from his fists. And it's revealed that he's an escapee from horrific experimentation, and the film is revealed to be about the Weapon X program.

[@Kahnovitch]

If you could embody Disney in a person it would be Captain Marvel; A self absorbed narcissist with too much power that destroys anything it dislikes and crowns itself as a saviour for its actions.

[@MrBonified66]

Don't forget *unearned* power!

[@RachelNichols-writer]

And no self awareness.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@RachelNichols-writerJust Like Pensuke

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@MrBonified66Pensuke: Wanna be a girl boss (effeminate feminized man) and become a magical boy?

[@canada0118]

so homelander

[@saddlerrye6725]

My biggest problem with Captain Marvel was how easily she believed that the Skrulls were the good guys. I mean, she was brainwashed into thinking that they are murderous terrorists, and they actually did behave like murderous terrorists from her perspective. Then a random Skrull, who was trying to kill her until a few moments ago, tells her that 'No, no, we're actually the good guys, and your comarades with whom you've been training and fighting until now are actually evil villains!' And she. just. BELIEVES. it. Just like that, no questions asked, and next time she's ready to murder her mentor and ex-friends??? Come on!

[@viperstriker4728]

No no, this is realistic, communists actually behave that way all the time. It just tells us more about her character...

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

​​@@viperstriker4728 No, this is unrealistic. This makes no sense. Carol Denvers/Captain Marvel is a poorly written character.

[@Mereologist]

And vice versa. Catpain Marvel murders a dozen Skrulls in front of them and then says, "Oopsie! Maybe you're good guys!", and none of the Skrulls are even upset about it. One of the special traits of a Mary Sue is never being held accountable.

[@viperstriker4728]

@@adeleinetheartist8267 Yeah, Stalin was a poorly written character too. People tend to forget that evil doesn't think the same way a normal person does. I know a guy, a real person that I have met face to face, that flipped the same way Carol did over the Ukraine issue. His entire life he wanted nothing more then to punch the WW2 Germans, then he started talking about volunteering to fight with them in the resent conflict (Azov Brigade) and couldn't tell me why. He is a self identified communist.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

@@viperstriker4728 You don't understand.... Stalin is a real person, while Carol is a fictional character.... It is obvious that Carol is a poorly written character, and only a villain arc can redeem Carol's character in the eyes of the audience.

[@mathisntmybestsubject8440]

We’re in an era where good is being called evil and evil is being called good. Of course Captain Marvel is really a villain, but she’s a hero to the people who are in control of the entertainment industry, who are all like her.

[@Justmonika6969]

It's just confirming what we all knew, that much of Hollywood is run by villains.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

​@@Justmonika6969 You should know that Hollywood is evil. Fuck Hollywood.

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

@@Justmonika6969 it was already ran by pedophiles so why not totally spiteful arrogant a-holes as well.

[@blackkakari]

@mathisntmybest subject8440 A prime example is the comic Ignited. The villains that run our world want to lionize villainy in the minds of the public in order to normalize future atrocities. Just look at everything they've done and are trying to do. They're becoming more and more like the very Nazis they accuse everyone else of being.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

@@blackkakari They ARE the Nazis, and they are just afraid to admit the truth. They are a bunch of pathetic cowards.

[@MRodTheGreatest]

I've been saying on my channel for a few weeks now that she SHOULD be a villain. It is the only way to make her interesting. She'd be a formidable villain, whereas, as a hero, she is just a Mary-Sue. You could have had a good story with Ms. Marvel having to overcome her idolisation in order to bring her down.

[@Uzarran]

Could have even taken it in the _Xena_ direction, having her wracked with guilt afterwards as she tries to atone for her actions.

[@Merecir]

The hope is that they build her up as an unlikeable character so that they can introduce Rouge properly. -If you know, you know.

[@marhawkman303]

@@Uzarran It'd have actually been interesting if Carol had realized Darr-ben was right and tried help her.

[@ME-yb2lm]

With everything Danvers has gone through in the decades past, I was excited to see her when the first movie was announced. The movie did the character no justice and I wish I could have a refund for that mess of a movie.

[@おす-qz7kp]

😂😂😂😂 the best scene ever is thanos punching her out of endgame haha

[@dannypalin9583]

She was essentially a space cop in the source material. The worst kind. She tried to arrest Miles Morales based on something he may or may not do in the future.

[@thatHARVguy]

The only reason Danvers wanted to be Captain Marvel was because she was popular during House of M and wanted that in Earth-616. She even hired a PR firm in the comics.

[@leonrobinson8180]

Definitely getting Amber Guyger vibes from her.

[@beastwarsFTW]

And then the next bit we find that even if Miles did the thing, he would be justified because HIDRA was involved. Long story

[@JoshSweetvale]

Being a bad person was part of her character from the start. Carol Danvers was always a Karen with overwhelming superpowers. That was the gimmick. Other characters had to manage her. Kinda like the Hulk but writ small and as a Superman powerset.

[@VidelxSpopovich]

He’s black. Surely he’s robbed, raped or murdered someone in the last week.

[@YassineFarah2423]

Somehow that handshake scene would be perfect for The BOYS, some hero threatening a civilian for having the audacity to awkwardly flirt with her.

[@stevenscott2136]

Homelander (a known sociopath and cheerful murderer) is actually morally superior. At least he cared about his public image enough to not do this sort of thing out in the open.

[@bimates2690]

@@stevenscott2136Yeah, no. As far as I’m aware, Carol hasn’t SA-ed anyone. Homelander has.

[@typicalnerd4065]

@@stevenscott2136 that handshake scene is a deleted scene lol, you people believe anything to support your hatred

[@Karak-_-]

​@@typicalnerd4065 The fact they had enough sense to cut it out, doesn't absolve them from writing and filming it.

[@typicalnerd4065]

@@Karak-_- so you're gonna hate an actress and the character because of a deleted scene which they thought is absurd looking? COOL, what a loser y'all can be when it comes to hate this woman lol

[@nicholastotoro7721]

Just your daily reminder that Thanos had a completely uninhabited, life-friendly planet just sitting there doing nothing and could have become a Skrull homeworld... but Carol said "no."

[@typicalnerd4065]

ANOTHER EXAMPLE of poor writing

[@The_Nailsmith]

Carol’s backstory is a worse version of Hal Jordan’s. Prove me wrong

[@HellsFallenAngel1]

Carol's backstory is: men are bad, America's military is full of toxic men, Green-Lantern's setup, Superman's powers without any of his weaknesses. Evil characters use super powers to assault, belittle, and destroy. She's evil, but because she's a woman, Hollywood thinks that she should be forgiven. Modern Hollywood is immoral, misandrist, and I hate it.

[@ajjtheamazing5615]

Pretty much

[@stevenscott2136]

Hal Jordan was CHOSEN by the ring, which at least implies meeting some standard. Same for Billy Batson (Shazam). Carol has the most common origin story - "blunder haplessly into empowering event by pure chance", alongside Spider-Man, Plastic Man, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, Superman, (birth is an accident of pure chance), and so many others. At least Banner was trying to do something heroic when he got the gamma blast, and Thor had to earn his worthiness for the hammer. Batman is one of the few who truly earned his abilities, and even he had a head start with resources.

[@orchirion]

Of course she's a villain. There was a civil war comic where she tries to eliminate people like Miles who is a child because someone predicted a future where he's gonna kill someone. She went full minority report on that one. I think she killed the Hulk? 🤔☕

[@catfan7220]

She also killed Iron-man. Her direct actions put him into a coma he never woke up from. The current Iron-man in the comics? That's a clone with his downloaded personality

[@VidelxSpopovich]

Miles is black so I’m pretty sure he robbed, raped, or murdered someone in the weeks prior anyways.

[@amrotamer6951]

civil war 2 is an awful event that mischaracterize everyone it

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

@@catfan7220 That's just f*cking lame.

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

Also, that comic isn't canon and NEVER HAPPENED. Captain Marvel is a MAN. Hulk didn't die. Miles Morales wasn't there, and the multiverse ruins everything.

[@rgama1173]

Also, remeber that it took tony a single encounter with the consequences of his actions to become the greates hero in his universe. Carol, ran and hide but tony face reality, thats why at the end kings and hods were bowing to him

[@faynarawn4164]

Remember that time when Jean Grey killed billions of people and Jim Shooter demanded that she suffer consequences? I miss the time when people with a sense of morality were in charge at Marvel.

[@Adorni]

The best part about that whole thing is that a solid case could be made that that wasn’t Jean’s fault, as she was under the influence of a primal force of the cosmos that was already under a tenuous moral control by remaining inside of Jean, and was then driven berserk by the meddling of the Hellfire Club. When Phoenix did what she did in the animated show, the star system she destroyed was made lifeless because _a protagonist murdering countless masses of innocent people is a big deal._ Jean herself wasn’t able to live with herself after doing that, and yet Captain Marvel seems to be just fine with it?

[@davidtauriainen9116]

It was enough of a problem that when Jean was brought back for XFactor, they retconned Phoenix-Jean to have been a replica created by the Phoenix Force while real Jean healed in an Adam Warlock Cocoon under water.

[@faynarawn4164]

@@davidtauriainen9116 Exactly. While I felt sympathy for Jean/Phoenix and what she went through (as Adorni mentioned above), the fact is the editors thought she was still responsible for her actions. And they never would've let Jean come back unless the retcon found a way to absolve her (which it did).

[@thatHARVguy]

Now we have bestselling authors who hate the comic book genre and their fans, with no-editorial interference clauses.

[@anotherrandomguy8871]

Even in the MCU with bucky to a much lesser extent this applied to him. He was controlled by hydra, yet in the end if civil war he still has consequences for the people he killed while being brainwashed. People want him dead, people want him arrested, and by the end of it all Bucky locked himself away because he still knows he’s a danger to people, and the people who defended bucky also got locked away (kinda, more like now the government is more hands on when the avengers, right?)

[@orfeusdissenting685]

As many as there are to choose from, the hardest cringing/most telling moments for myself: when she bursts into that overly ecstatic "Whoooo!" while blindly mowing thru ships (echo of Rey's equally creepy: "I like this!") & the seemingly honorable handshake offered to Jude's beaten character quickly turning into humiliating drag back to his ship. (Having defeated him as easily as she did in beginning of story, goes w/o saying).

[@dannypalin9583]

Ploughing through spaceships and killing everyone on board while shouting "WOO-HOO!" is like something out of Suicide Squad. Where the main characters are villains.

[@thatHARVguy]

Steve Rogers to Tony Stark: "Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you?" Tony Stark to Peter Parker: "If you're nothing without this suit, then you shouldn't have it, okay?" Yon-Rogg to Carol Danvers: "I'm so proud of you. You've come a long way since that day I found you by the lake. But can you keep your emotions in check long enough to take me on? Or will they get the better of you as always? I always told you you'll be ready the day you'll knock me down as yourself. This is that moment. This is that moment, Vers!"

[@viperstriker4728]

@@thatHARVguy Yon-Rogg really is a solid character. I bit misguided in his patriotism but certainly heroic and genuine. Carol being so spiteful against him really she who she is.

[@jeremiaas15]

I think a lot of man-hours (or person-hours) could be saved if we all just agreed to add the phrase 'is an evil pschopath spending no effort to appear well-adjusted' to the commonly understood definition of a girl-boss.

[@SalinaMoonfall]

That's part of the problem with a lot of those female portrayals it undermines what they "think" they're elevating. A woman can be a girl boss and not have it be a bad thing, but when you have someone like Carol...it's not being a girl boss, it's being...well what the video finished with.

[@viperstriker4728]

@@SalinaMoonfall It's because good people don't seek power, and feminists only view the world in terms of power. Carol is a writer self insert. A girl who is powerful getting held down by men around who before realizing she had the power stand up to them all along. That is why they say they are "empowering women" instead of "elevating women".

[@JoshSweetvale]

Boys: Agression was bad, wasn't it? Girls: BUT NOW WE'RE DOING IT, AGRESSION IS *AWESOME!*

[@Mereologist]

It's actually a very classic response of someone who believes they are a victim of abuse. They start to see being an abuser as being the 'winner', so they then go on to become abusers themselves with the conviction that it's all completely okay now. Obviously this is not a HEALTHY response... healthy would be breaking the cycle.

[@Sercil00]

She may actually be a somewhat compelling villain if only for the fact that she's overpowered and doesn't have a likeable personality.

[@marhawkman303]

Yeah, it's weird... in some ways Dar-Benn is the hero?

[@MoaRider]

She'd give Jack Horner a run for his money.

[@arpansaha2111]

​@@MoaRider but she won't be as funny

[@murk4552]

Villains ain't supposed to be likeable by default. Getting tired of that silly shit.

[@valkyrie283]

@@murk4552I don’t think they mean likeable as a person, but likeable as a villain. Jack Horner is a good example. He’s a GARBAGE human being and absolutely pure evil. He’s also an amazingly likeable villain to me because he’s just so incredibly unapologetic and straightforward about his evilness.

[@Elfaia]

Her bad decisions throughout the series could have been a good character arc where she realizes what a dumbass she is and is just a giant asshole with godlike powers. She then learns to be more introspective and think more about the consequences of her actions than using her godlike power to punch her way through anything that's remotely inconvenience. Almost akin to, "With great power comes great responsibility".

[@Theseekerofinfinite]

Could have been, but that would require writers with even a modicum of self awareness and ability.

[@masamune2984]

But that would require her to undergo a character arc and self-reflection, when, as we all know, empowered female characters are perfect and flawless in every way by nature…

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

​​@@masamune2984 You're wrong. Perfection is an illusory concept. There is no such thing as "perfection", and if you believe that empowered female characters are perfect, you are a gullible fool. Even empowered female characters can be flawed, and you don't understand this. Stop believing in illusions such as the illusory idea that empowered female characters are perfect and embrace reality. You must accept and embrace the universal truth, instead of rejecting it. But you reject the universal truth, and if you still continue to believe in illusions like the illusory idea of perfection, you will suffer the consequences.

[@Hyperion4K]

@@adeleinetheartist8267I think he was being sarcastic???

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

@@Hyperion4K No, that is not sarcasm.

[@savage5128]

The best thing about Carol Danvers is she gives Rogue her powers.

[@christopherbyrdakaSuperman]

@Modok.Saint424 Actually, that's the best part of Rogue because at the time, Carol was storm's friend and none of the X-MEN wanted Rogue among then after discovering how Rogue perminantly absorbed Carol's powers! If Rogue had actually killed Carol, even Charles Xavier himself would've turned Rogue into the authorities, then an icon would've never been born!

[@christopherbyrdakaSuperman]

@Modok.Saint424 You have a good point, it seems nobody really likes Larson, but, if they'd bring back Paquin, teach her to practice a southern accent playing as Rogue, it would hit the boxoffices so hard just like the same impact the comic and 90's cartoon character did, Paquin could spend the rest of her acting career or retire a multi-trillionaire!

[@C.N.D._The_72nd]

​@@christopherbyrdakaSuperman I miss when Carol was Ms. Marvel, She was such a better character then.

[@christopherbyrdakaSuperman]

@@C.N.D._The_72nd True only except she developed a drinking problen! It even got to the point that the Avengers had an intervention to get Carol to seek help! For the Scarlet Whitch it was one of the toughest moments in Avengers history! That moment was as close as it was to compare the hardships of the X-MEN to the Avengers! You see, being a X-MEN was always far more harsh than being a Avenger! The Avengers are the Los Angeles lakers of the Marvel multiverse while the X-MEN were like the New York Knicks of Marvel! One team suffered more hardships than the other because the fans always favored one team over the other!

[@zeehero7280]

Someone doesn't remember when she was a decent character long ago. sad.

[@GNackers53]

Let's not forget that during the Secret Invasion mini series Nick Fury was the only one blamed for not being able to find a new home planet for the Skrulls, despite the fact that Captain Marvel is the only one of the two who is the most capable of doing so.

[@WEIRDxGRIM]

Also, Captain Marvel found a habitable planet for the Skrulls (the planet were they killed Thanos, which Thanos was the only lifeform on) and she never bordered to tell Nick or the Skrulls.

[@bigbaba1111]

Marvel: it's ok when women do it.

[@jellyjohn7881]

Marvel quite literally says the opposite, or did you forget about Wanda's character?

[@bigbaba1111]

@@jellyjohn7881 she was a maniac who tortured an entire town but her actions were forgiven at the end. Totally underlines my comment.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

​@@bigbaba1111 Wanda doesn't really deserve forgiveness. Wanda is really and absolutely beyond redemption. It would actually be more satisfying if Dr. Strange killed Wanda in the Multiverse of Madness.

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

@@adeleinetheartist8267 You sound like Carol. Worse than a Karen. Go clean your room.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

@@MisterTea-vb7ve Yes.

[@megaultradamn]

The real Mar-Vell went from a fascistic imperial soldier to a cosmically aware pacifist. Carol's only quality is her spitefulness. "Oh, you want me to do this one way? How dare you! Do you know who i am? In fact, I'll do the opposite of what you say! 😡"

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

After all these comments about Miles Morales, finally I find the ONE guy who gets it. Captain Marvel is a man; the last 5 years didn't happen. I disacknowledge it.

[@claytonrios1]

Carol is such a villain that she's actually kind of scary. Like she could blow up an orphanage and kick puppies if they slightly annoy her.

[@kadourimdou43]

Male Marvel characters sacrificed their lives and happiness. Female Marvel characters sacrifice other peoples lives and happiness.

[@mateohernadez-z8y]

Kate bishop entregó a su propia madre a la justicia, ella no sería capaz de sacrificar la vida y la felicidad de otras personas. 😮

[@mateohernadez-z8y]

Ni mucho menos ms marvel.

[@christopherbyrdakaSuperman]

Actually Rogue sacrificed her own life taking bullets from the Yakuza at the time saving Wolverine's wife! Rogue hadn't quite gotten the hang of Carol's invulnerability and almost died! That heroic selfless act earned at least Woverine's respect and trust therefore he touched Rogue so she could instantly heal back to full heath! After this The invulnerability powers kicked in! This proves that at least Rogue committed a selfless act cementing herself a a face!

[@kadourimdou43]

@@christopherbyrdakaSupermanIn Disney Marvel?

[@ggt47]

​@@christopherbyrdakaSuperman in the comics people actually have flaws.

[@leriava]

When thinking about the 1st captain marvel I can only remember Mauler saying "plank" a million times on his video and the birth of the Don... Oh, and how underused Jude Law's character was.

[@Ko_kB]

When EFAP reviewed "The Marvels", Mauler accidently called her "plank". That was funny

[@thatHARVguy]

Yon Rogg was right!

[@BBBHuey]

She should've been forced into exile at the end of the first movie. And Fury would've made the Avengers in order to fight her.

[@hemaccabe4292]

When she stole that guy’s motorcycle, I was going, total supervillain.

[@Mobius118]

Not even that super, just a villain who glows a bit more and complains *much* more than the rest

[@PeregrinTintenfish]

I thought that was supposed to be in part because she was acting like a Kree operative. However, the movie didn't really explore that. They could have had Fury question some of her techniques, and part of her discovering her true identity could involve questioning her Kree training.

[@hemaccabe4292]

@@PeregrinTintenfish Never did that. They thought it was funny she was picking on the Patriarchy to steal someone's bike.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@hemaccabe4292 Not just the patriarchy, the fans that criticized her not smiling during the trailer/promo photos.

[@richardklein1167]

Did the motorcyclist even say anything harsh to her at all to have himself threatened? I think I remember her trying to take it to chase down some memories she had about her past. The problem I find is that as a "space cop", if you played out that she needed it to go after a villain using it still feels wrong. I don't understand why cops just get to take other people's vehicles to do a task or job in movies or real life. They should have all the equipment they need at all times to do their jobs in movies or real life.

[@thesaltyweeb]

"Here's a proposition... you're gonna give me your keys and jacket and in return I am gonna let you keep your hand ..." Yep she's a villain alright. Look how the bad guys reacted to her and bow she reacted to them. Thats no way a Hero would respond.... Bravo for giving little girls a villain to look up to Disney!

[@joshuamueller3206]

All I could think of was Mr. Krabs saying "Unhand that penny or the arm comes off!" as proof of his ultimate lack of virtue.

[@joshuamueller3206]

Also, that phrase would at least make Captain Marvel an anti-hero, but I think most of those usually just steal the car and try to laugh it off with their victim, not threaten their bodily integrity.

[@reimannsum9077]

It was an attempt at mirroring the scene from Terminator 2: "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle."

[@bakedturkeys2132]

@@reimannsum9077 It was an attempt. A bad one. The Terminator is a ruthless killing machine who doesn't know better and is being taught how to be good by John Connors in a cub and wolf dynamic. Carol Danvers has no excuse, and she knows exactly what she's doing.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

I havent seen it and don't know-- But she could survive the vacuum of space and could bullet herself through an alien ship with her skull... Did she need the jacket or helmet?? Or had she not yet discovered this about herself. She still is super strong- so I still dont think she'd need the helmet.

[@bernardotorres5274]

Odd how when you see the “Strong Independent Woman/Girl Bss”, in Disney products they hold so much negative traits that is honestly seen as the traits that one would see on a villain. It’s almost like modern Feminism is trying to tell us something…

[@BPF80MCar-vi1pg]

True except people still buy villain toys

[@CorpusGreed]

​@@R.P.-hw2rqYeah. You think there is going to be a SINGLE person that will be in the store choosing between what toys to buy for their kid and will genuelly ask themselves: "Hm... Who should i buy? Darth Vader, Dr Ock or Captain Marvel?" and then will choose the last option?

[@DarkButz]

"Strong Independent Women" in modern Disney products have all the traits feminists keep saying they hate in men.

[@johnconstantine1604]

Feminism was NEVER about equality.

[@funkyjbass7762]

That is what the Barbie movie is warning us about.

[@FeatherRanching]

Captain Genocide. There's a universe where Hitler read comics about Carol Danvers as a child.

[@KingKayro87]

Ah yes, because the obvious response to somebody catcalling you is to mug them and threaten to break their bones.

[@chiefcoiler]

This reminds of that line in endgame. They ask her why she's not helping on earth, and she smugly says the same thing is happening all over the galaxy. You can tell by the delivery she wanted to show off. I bet she bared helped at all, in fact, after watching this video, she probably made it worse. Earth dodged a bullet not having her around.

[@cwjackowitz]

The reason that Carol Danvers is seen by the movie as a hero while VERY clearly being a super-villian is that the people who make Marvel movies are, themselves, those who see themselves as heroes covered in glory while behaving as super-VILLIANS do.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

Those who make Marvel movies are actually evil.

[@andrewwoodhead3141]

You went back and watched Captain Marvel , THEN you watched the Marvels ?! You , sir , are a dedicated and, dare I say it (?), courageous individual ! Well done !

[@digitaltailsmon4096]

Also in need of either therapy to treat such hardship or massive phrase and kind words for your sacrifice

[@Blundabus1337]

0:52 ....thats theft, a crime. It's also assault. A felony in some states.

[@Jiub_SN]

Ironically she is exactly as she was in the comics, acted like a villain but treated like a hero

[@juancabardo21]

“You’re gonna give me your jacket and car and I’ll maybe let you keep your hand” is legit a villain line

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

So, when Thanos said his work will continue, he was talking about Plank.

[@cybertramon0012]

Thank you for this. They keep telling us we just hate their characters because they're women. No, that's not it at all. We hate them because they're assholes. They're horrible people doing horrible things. They're the kind of people who'd want a pat on the back for not wiping out an entire race; except good people don't expect to be congratulated for not committing genocide, because they'd never consider it in the first place. And with the comparison to Tony, one of the big things is that he does feel guilty when he learns how badly he screwed up. When he found out the Ten Rings had his weapons, he shut down his weapons division to stop it. And he agreed to the Sokovian Accords because he created Ultron, so he's responsible for everything Ultron did. He doesn't brush it off with a joke once he learns the full ramifications, he feels completely guilty for his actions.

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

And very obvious feminist "Message" plants. I still think Sigourney Weaver could kick all these "Strong Lead Female's" asses, hands down.

[@lefantomer]

True, but he still shouldn't have agreed to the Sokovian Accords or anything else to do with the corrupt and evil UN. Steve got it right on that one. Tony always works to clean up his own mess, but that was a misstep.

[@paulschumacher4308]

The actress plays the character perfectly. I love watching the interviews with her where she demeans the rest of the cast with the exact level of shallow arrogance demonstrated by her character.

[@angieoxford7092]

I just finished your long form video on The Marvels. I tried listening last night falling asleep, but you had me rolling! Had to give up and finish this morning bc my snoring husband kept getting pissed at me waking him up. Anyway, great work. Love your content!

[@_eggers]

The worst part is she’s very true to the comics version which was cancelled & relaunched due to low sales about a dozen times before the movie came out

[@Confused_surprise]

At the end of the first movie, she is smiling and cheering while destroying an entire fleet of kree spaceships. She is litterally killing tens of thousands of soldiers who she used to fight alongside with. She is mercilessly slaughtering her battle brothers and sisters, and she is happy about it. And she's the hero.

[@shadowzone2588]

She should of been hesitant and tried to avoid killing them but that would require her to be a good charater with morals and can't have that. Lol

[@Digsidian]

Lean into it and replace Kang with her. Why not. They won't do Dr Doom right, the way they're going.

[@dontgiveinfo]

watching Monica Rambeau be associated with Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel. Excusing their villainous behavior just puts here in the same position as Toad of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Just a hype man for the main villain

[@MehnixIsThatGuy]

Remember thinking of this idea years ago, Captain Marvel's own ego slowly takes over due to her overwhelming power and not having gone through serious effort to earn it. Begins deciding only she has the ability to deal with threats, starts actively threatening anyone that she perceives as taking away from her "duty". Despite this, her "saving" often causes massive collateral damage. During one particularly controversial engagement she deals with some villain in the obscure country of Latveria, and in so doing completely wrecks the home of a somewhat notable scientist and politician, leading to the death's of his Family and Friends, who were over for a celebration of his recent achievement of becoming nominated for leading one of the major political parties of the country. Victor von Doom, devastated by the loss of everyone close to him seeks revenge with the full resource of the country he will soon rule with an iron fist, to end the threat of the so called "Super-Hero". Boom: Next arc, Cpt. Marvel as a minor villian who eventually goes through a character arc during a civil-war event to become a bit more understanding of her powers, potentially due to serious injury and having to spend some time without the powers to re-learn humility, and Dr. Doom as the big overarching antagonist.

[@larrymansfield9393]

Secret wars could’ve been prevented had she just taken the Skrulls to the planet Eden where they just killed the one being inhabiting it.

[@TheEricZ]

I have been saying she was a villain since she was introduced. I thought they were setting her up to be the antagonist for Civil War 2.

[@orchirion]

Civil war comic where she went full minority report and Tony tries to stop her from passing judgement when the crime hasn't happened yet.

[@zionmarcelo]

yep in the marvel comics civil war she went full fascistic enforcer of the superhero registration

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

@@zionmarcelo **non-canon comics. "true to the comics version which was cancelled & relaunched due to low sales about a dozen times before the movie came out"

[@scrembaldmedia]

When you put it like that I realize they actually cast the right actress for the part 😂

[@ravenspurplebeats5412]

even in comic's she is a villian, like she puts tony in a coma by end of it because he defends spider man when she wants to arrest for crime he may not even commit in civil war 2.

[@Archone666]

If you're talking about Miles Morales... it's so much worse than that. She's a privileged white woman who wanted to arrest an innocent black teenager because "you might commit a crime in the future I AM IN THE RIGHT HERE!"

[@redram6080]

She didn't just put Tony in a coma. She straight up killed him and he had a backup clone with his escense and spirit etc as a replacement

[@ravenspurplebeats5412]

@@redram6080 very true then she even got promoted for it after which was disgusting and possibly worse marvel comic made. though being honest if captain marvel was done as villain originally maybe she would been more liked instead being seen as hero when she isnt.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

​​@@ravenspurplebeats5412 Despite Marvel's intention of portraying Carol Denvers/Captain Marvel as a badass heroine, she (Carol) is actually a true villain.

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

**In new non-canon woke-ass comics "she" is a villain. In the old comics, Mar-Vell became a pacifist. Captain Marvel is a man, and this comic never happened. Your argument is invalid.

[@ejaedike]

The prime example of modern writers trying to create villains portraying/identifying as women heroines.

[@Arassar]

I stand with The Don.

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

So say we all

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯. This is the way.

[@randomusername3873]

Don but not forgotten

[@richardharrison4762]

Suddenly Pterodactyls!

[@KingoftheOutback]

# Don of justice

[@Erakius323]

She physically hurt, and threatened, a guy, plus robbed his cloths and bike, because he was hitting on her. Imagine, if, a guy treated a woman that way, then was made out to be a hero. Would that fly? No. Captain Marvel, is a villian.

[@Okami400]

the funny part is, if she was an actual villian we are suppose to hate, everyone would probably like her lmao

[@christopherbennett5858]

And that character exists. The Second Moonstone.

[@wv5853]

One of those love to hate villains like Griffith or Eric cartman

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@wv5853 That’s why I recommend Moonstone. She’s basically Captain Marvel but is a total bitch and loves it. I’d also put that to Selene who is in that type as well. And, for fans of idiots you want to see get beaten up, I’d go with Fenris because they are that disgusting lol.

[@RoulicisThe]

She's basically the modern day remake of the old "Heraclès" character from ancient greece mythology : Violent, dumb, egotistic, but far too powerful for anyone to check so was kinda allowed to do whatever he wanted.

[@AlexiosTheSixth]

so basically gilgamesh pre-eradu?

[@thezyp]

"A Fall from Grace" movie for Ms Marvel where she is hunted by a tuned XMEN and brought to trial would reinstate some of the lost real-estate. Nerfing her powers would also be part of the trial.

[@axel8406]

She has great power but lacks the care to have great responsibility. It's not like she would have listened if she was told.

[@lefantomer]

Well, she's never been good for much of anything except either moving or wrecking spacecraft.

[@Seetiyan]

It's not about holding her to a different standard. It's about holding her to any standard at all. Switch the name out to any male character and he'd be branded a villain.

[@digiscream]

Imagine how good this film could've been if she'd had a Falling Down moment near the end, with "Wait, am I the bad guy?". They could almost have redeemed two whole films' worth of shit with that.

[@CRAZYUNCLE117]

The truth behind this character is she lives by the mantra, "The greater the power, the less responsibility."

[@maicoxmauler2825]

If I had to pinpoint when the MCU jumped the shark it would be Captain Marvel. Putting a film as inherently divisive as this right on the coattails of Infinity War practically guaranteed that people would be checking out after Endgame, regardless of how good phase 4 would ultimately be.

[@dareka9425]

When Thanos's ship suddenly aimed their upper guns towards the sky in Endgame I was expecting the rest of the universe joined in to help the Avengers. Perhaps the Reavers, remnants of Nova Prime police, inhabitants of Sakkar heck even the Frost Giants think this is the perfect time to strike a deathblow on Thanos. Instead...she appeared.

[@dannypalin9583]

She could easily be replaced by other characters in Endgame and nothing would change. Kraglin could have found Tony and Nebula. Considering he's an ally to the Guardians, it would have made sense. Either the Hulk or Yondu's old mates at the end of Guardians 2 could have destroyed Thanos' ship.

[@thatHARVguy]

And she wasn't even diverse enough as Monica Rambeau's Captain Marvel was the popular human Marvel.

[@RaspK]

Every time a male character fails, the failure is the focal point of the story; that is the key detail.

[@sawkman2092]

Captain Marvel in the fight in the living room, blocks an attack from a Kree. Kree:"Annhilator!" Marvel:"I don't like that name!" Proves him wrong by throwing him threw a wall.

[@John-rn1nm]

Captain Marvel is just Homelander if you changed the music to be heroic.

[@dsadik666]

Captain Marvel in the disney MCU has been a villain since they showed her own movie. Heroes don't break a stranger's arm and steal their motorcycle.

[@burningmisery]

Terminator 2 begs to disagree.

[@dsadik666]

@@burningmisery the Terminator is not a hero, at best it's an anti-hero. Breaking people's arms, stealing their clothes and or killing them and stealing their motorcycle is not what Heroes do.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@dsadik666 Especially as a response to fans saying "She's not smiling.".

[@shadowzone2588]

​@@burningmisery but the thing is the termanator was a machine that learned how to be a good person.

[@hyperion447]

@@burningmisery no one said terminator was a hero lmao

[@supermodestmouse]

She had the same issue they did with Finn. Finn sees his buddy die and is shocked into betraying his brothers and sisters to defect...and then gleefully kill them. Carole uncovers the "truth" and then gleefully massacres her former Comrades because there's no way all these other species united under the kree banner could possibly have been brainwashed/manipulated like her. Then flies through their ships obliterating hundreds if not thousands of other "friends" and then proceeds to effortlessly destroy the center of the kree homeworks sparking a civil war leading to the deaths of millions more.

[@samflood5631]

And what show or movie is Finn from?

[@ChaoticYak1]

@@samflood5631 I believe this is a reference to Finn from The Force Awakens.

[@samflood5631]

@@ChaoticYak1 Right.

[@J.Jonah.Jameson.]

Homelander is unirononically heroic in comparison to Captain Marvel

[@TheRedMan77]

At least he made EFFORTS to actually be a hero - however small - before going full-psychopath.

[@ryanschneider115]

That is a terrible thought 😂

[@bimates2690]

Heroic… The same dude who graped a woman?

[@calemr]

Seems like a pretty accurate depicition of Civil War 2 Carol Danvers. The woman who looked at a black teen and went "Yeah, he's probably going to be a murderer." And attempt to arrest him.

[@sagittariusa7662]

0:58 Man: "No, I think I'll just contact the Zhor'i. Have a nice day in literal hell." Empress Rascha'al: "What the hell is this?" Captain Marvel: "Am I supposed to be impressed?" Empress Rascha'al: "Nah, you are supposed to be dead." *Light flickers in the Gray woman's eyes as Danvers' head explodes.* Sudden Minority Man Appearance: "You just got knocked the F out, bi-atch!"

[@Multi1]

My much bigger concern is if many of the writers of Captain Marvel actually have similar ideology to her. If so, they are objectively speaking, on the level of evil as Ted Bundy or Hitler.

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

I do believe at least _some_ of the writers. Really do in think a similar way that Captain Marvel does. And what makes it perhaps more frightening is that they genuinely believe they're in the right for doing so. Mix those 2 together and you get the worst kind of tyrant. The one who's doing it for your own good.

[@zephsmith3499]

@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 Tin pot dictators are mostly about enriching themselves and their friends, and staying in power; they can be brutal but mostly don't care to intervene in people's lives directly (of course the indirect effects can sometimes be bad, like a corrupt failing government). Totalitarians want to control every detail of their citizens' lives, what they do and how they think - for their own good. In addition to staying in power by whatever mean necessary. This makes them even more dangerous, as you say.

[@LastFantasiaWeapons]

Hold on. You say Captain Marvel is mischaracterized but I have to disagree. In the one comic I've read with Captain Marvel, Civil War 2, the Avengers find some kid who is capable of predicting the future. He says celestials are going to attack there, and celestials attack there. He says Thanos will show up there, and Thanos shows up there. He says some woman is about to walk into work with a briefcase full of shield secrets that she's about to sell to HYDRA, and some woman is about to walk into with, but her briefcase is empty. Still, two out of three isn't bad. Captain Marvel takes the stance that the avengers should use this kid to arrest people for crimes they haven't committed yet, and Iron Man takes the stance that "Carol Danvers, have you lost your mind?" Through out the bloody battle that ensues, Captain Marvel doesn't budge an inch. No SHIELD secrets are found anywhere on that one woman, she has no ties to HYDRA, and she's demanding to see a lawyer? Doesn't matter, she's guilty anyway. The kid says Miles Morales is going to murder (a huge, chaotic superpower fight is about to break out, that will inevitably involve Miles Morales fighting for his life against anyone who gets near him) Captain America, and the good Cap says Miles would never do that? No, Miles would totally do that, the kid said so. People die because of Captain Marvel's direct actions? Doesn't matter, Captain Marvel is right anyway. The Marvels has actually written Captain Marvel true to character

[@gabrielamado1234]

So Civil War 2 is basically a Minority Report Rip off ?

[@Archone666]

Don't forget that the Captain America at the time was actually Captain Hydra in disguise... and at the end of the whole thing he gives a speech to a comatose Tony. And it made SENSE. An actual, honest-to-goodness nazi was making good points, and most of those points were "holy crap you heroes AREN'T HEROES ANYMORE."

[@cillbipher2613]

@@Archone666 Wasn't Captain Hydra like a sleeper agent or smth too

[@Archone666]

@@cillbipher2613 Yep.

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

Captain Marvel IS A MAN. Geez you guys. They purposely bastardized a perfectly good character because they couldn't think (Or care to think) about writing a female-based character that is actually likeable. You couldn't be more wrong about the OG canon.

[@enishi4ty5]

having a bigger kill count than thanos is a crazy flex mcu wise

[@feywinterfox9630]

See here is the part that is funny that I never hear anyone talk about. Everything you said in this video talking about said character and all is totally on point with how horrible her character is in the comics and yet how everyone seem to bend over backwards for her as if it's all good. Just her actions alone in Civil War 2 and how it totally ends and what she did to Tony and NO ONE bats and eye or anything, it's just like,... "AND THE DAY IS SAVED....okay everyone let's go home!" "ummmm Tony is dead....you totally killed a man trying to protect a kid who we are still not sure if you where trying to outright kill or just totally take away their rights all on a vision from some guy who has proven to be wrong.' "AND THE DAY IS SAVED!" "...."

[@thomaspitts9949]

Wasn't Banner killed as well?

[@feywinterfox9630]

@@thomaspitts9949 That one is still confusing to me only because I can't tell if they retcon it or not. Originally yes he was by a special arrow by Hawk Eye....but jump years later and they are trying to pull a "Oh well I faked my death...totally...." So I am not even sure with that whole thing.

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

@@feywinterfox9630 Yeah those comics didn't happen. I don't care what y'all say. Captain Marvel is a MAN.

[@FuckingChrisKupina]

"true to the comics version which was cancelled & relaunched due to low sales about a dozen times before the movie came out"

[@feywinterfox9630]

@@FuckingChrisKupina 🤣 I can't and won't argue that, I think you have Checkmate my friend

[@norman5927]

You raise a good point, carol could turn bad guy and add some much needed fresh angle on a tiered boring character. Star Wars could do that too making Rey a sith.

[@Demsky83]

What crazy is they wrote her this way without a sense of irony

[@J4nT3mpl4r]

I love that their defense of Marvel is "buUt ToNy WaS tOo!" Like he hadn't gone through a half dozen movies, comics and tv shows worth of character growth.

[@wormybobcat3706]

Speaking of Thanos, she decided that a madman who was going to kill half of ALL LIFE in the universe was not enough of a priority for her to intervene until said madman had fulfilled his plan. Wtf was she doing at that time? Saving a planet? Fair, but at that point there's a munch bigger problem since she apparently did nothing about the purple guy going planet by planet wiping out half of their population manualy.

[@axelvonelern8081]

I remember a comic of a young man who has the power to see anyone's death that will happen, everyone wants to help the boy to control his power, but Captain Marvel wants to kill the boy instead and everyone is against her idea of the boy.

[@kei2604]

You know i'd actually like to see a movie with her being held accountable for her actions. Or even a similar movie or series without premise. Like somebody doing the right thing or what they think is the right thing but they're intervention just messes everything up. Is which in turn causes even more problems.

[@PeregrinTintenfish]

I wonder if the movie was originally meant to do that. It was rewritten 5 times after all.

[@evdomos]

It's funny how if they just treated her as that potential threat instead of a perfect hero nothing would have to change and she'd instantly improve.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

Carol is better as a villain than as a hero.

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

Actually Carol visited Earth twice. Once after the snap, and five years later during the battle at Stark Ruins. Possibly even three. And in all that time, she never once visited her so called "friends" or anything, despite Fury literally being dusted and she would've had every motive to find out about her "long time friend" who she served with in the air force. Which makes her relationship with Monica much worse than if she never came to earth. At least you could've put her absence down to the bullshit she did in space after the first movie, but the fact that she never visited Monica in the two times she visits Earth, especially after the Snap, especially with her godlike abilities, speed and connection to Stark and his resources to find anyone, is absolutely damning.

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

Just one of the card in the hand of the deconstruction of Heroes, Lore, and Beloved stories....... transforming heroes into villain's and psychopaths.

[@soundwaveravagesuperior]

No way she tried to pull a terminator with the stealing of clothes and motorcycle. Did NOT land.

[@BobChancer]

Why does a character that can fly need to par core up a 30 ft wall?

[@jamessherlock6912]

Wtf is par core? Do you mean Parkour?

[@BobChancer]

@@jamessherlock6912 Sure do sherly... 😂

[@ElCarnicerodeChads]

Carol as Ms. Marvel in the comics: 💪💛😘 Carol as Captain Marvel in the comics: 💪💪🤤❌🧠 Carol in MCU: 👿👿👿👿👿👿

[@skywalka1986]

5:17 just think if that was the Skrulls she was chasing and on the train it was really the old lady. Remember People can’t tell she just goin around punching old ladies 😂 definitely a Villain!.

[@NicolasMHarrison]

3:02 Ok you know what, Carol didn’t think/know she could do that until it was suggested. Ok? And she thought getting rid of the great intelligence would also fix the brainwashing thing (even if it was also out of vengeance).

[@TheRevenantEdits]

She feels like Marvel's "unintentional" Homelander/Stormfront by this point, to be honest.

[@hyperion447]

I thought the characters in the boys were over the top and comically evil but after seeing this it seems like the boys waa perfectly made to parody on stuff like this

[@TheRevenantEdits]

@@hyperion447 Indeed, and ironically... The Boys shows everything wrong with the "modern day audience" mentality lol

[@K_J_Coleman_Composer]

Captain Marvel in the comics: (Sergeant Calhoun from Wreck-it-Ralph) Captain Marvel in movies: raging b*****

[@thetopicvortex7157]

As a member of the billions of people who chose not to watch this movie, thanks for saving us from having hope in marvel.

[@DontKnowDontCare6.9]

Capt. Marvel's also a certified bike jacker, poser (pay attention to the Nine Inch shirt), girl from Idaho (wink, wink) with daddy issues, and an incompetent Marvel version of a Green Lantern. And the actress portraying her is just as unlikable.

[@samflood5631]

Why?

[@Oblithian]

Wow, I guess Carol is like the parasitic and family member who just takes, drags everyone else into ruin without consideration. Then shows up to do it all again after a manipulative appeal to their emotions and a quick hug.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

Makima is a better female character than Carol Denvers/Captain Marvel, and unlike Carol, who is intended to be a badass heroine but is actually a villain in disguise, Makima is intended to be a villain and a complex antagonist.

[@wonkawilly5573]

This video summarizes exactly what everyone was thinking, even if they didn't know. Nice.

[@hjalmarnilsson1756]

I am 100% sure Agatha is still just a victim of wandas hex so wanda could redirect part of her guilt

[@MrErik052005]

The writers of the Marvels missed a prime opportunity to show us Carol wasn’t perfect. That she had flaws and let her stubbornness and recklessness cause the death of millions. Ms Marvel could have realized Captain Marvel wasn’t as great as she thought. The movie could have ended with Carol making amens for her past acts. Carol self reflecting that she was the bad guy. Instead, nope. Carol just does what she wants.

[@hellboundchaoscommand7567]

I love how in the HISHE video for the marvels she just ends up at the Villain pub and is apparently going to be one of the new regulars there