Captain Marvel vs Iron Man | Civil War 2

[@comicpop]

Pick up Civil War 2 here: amzn.to/2t4umJf

[@gettingartsywithalobster1949]

"THE CLOUDS ARE MAKING INHUMANS AND TURNING THE FROGS GAY" - Alex Jones Marvel Prime

[@Waaagh40KRed]

Don't forget that they have been killing mutants.

[@MrMike11233]

The Jennifer Walters trial you mentioned..kind of set a tone for the whole event. In it, she is representing a former costumed villain who was eventually convicted for "talking shop." He did not plan a heist, a kidnapping, or a murder. He didn't even have his costume any longer. But the guy was convicted, and Jennifer Walters defended him - vigorously. And then she does a complete 180 and gets on the side of Carol Danvers in this whole fiasco. At that point, I was out. No lawyer, I'll say it again, *no lawyer* would ever get behind a doctrine that punishes before the crime has taken place. Due Process, anyone? Fourteenth Amendment? Just blink if any of these words seem familiar. *Sigh* I hated Civil War II so much...

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

It's not like Tony's side was written any better. They manage to save the Earth from Thanos....and this justifies Tony kidnapping and torturing the innocent psychic who warned them? They had to make Carol's side into fascists, because otherwise Tony, with his rants about the natural order, looks incoherently psychotic.

[@nailinthefashion]

But the point to me is to say, at what point would one ignore those rights? This is that context, so you would just be against Carol, it's good writing in that way. You relate thru disagreeing and seeing the obvious disharmony, so you'd be on the right side of history in that timeline. I would've kinda agreed with Carol but ultimately precogs aren't always right anyway so we should at least try to change our fate

[@pikapal91]

"Times change, and so must I. I'll always remember when the Comic Pop couch was me."

[@astitvasrivastava2821]

I see you are a man of culture as well

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

Love the reference! Miss what used to be the series 😭❤❤

[@threex0xthree]

​@@dekaritheprofessor2631 what reference is that?

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

*Eternity:* "There is so much more to the universe, Ulysses. Come. Let me show you." *Ulysses:* "...That's a pillow." *Eternity:* "..Yes...it is..." _smothers_

[@chrisfreeman6819]

"As a kid you dont menifest your mutation yet" "But you're still a mutant!!" "Oh i see yes" 😂😂😂

[@haasztamas]

Ben: "Yeah... like a dog..." Tiffany, Ben: *histerical laughter* Sal: "WHAT?!" I'M DEAD LAUGHING 😂😂😂

[@haasztamas]

*At the end* Ben: I can bang my wife! But I can't lick my own ass.... Sal: *gasp* Sal: *hand movement* Ben: *laughter* me: my stomach is literally hurting cuz I replayed this scene like 5 times and I am crying laughing, I fucking love you guys 😂😂😂

[@tylerjay213]

If this book proved anything, it's that Bendis (minus the characters he invented) only knows how to write Spider-Man, IronMan, and Daredevil well, and this coming from someone who loves Bendis' work

[@zerozaku1468]

Tyler Torres what do you think of his Powers Bureau?

[@seanberrodin801]

Which is why the only big events that he writes and are good are ones like Secret Invasion where the characters he knows how to write are the main characters and all the other guys make minor cameos. However, with Civil War II all these characters that Bendis can't write are the main characters and the guys like Daredevil and Spidey only get five lines.

[@TheTheDontae]

Tyler Torres avengers? Like a lot of avengers books

[@TheTheDontae]

Omniverse yes

[@SnackMuay]

Tyler Torres didn't he have a good run on x men with kitty pryde serving as the "main character"?

[@ianmckee4726]

Ive always maintained that Old Man Logan should have been the one to kill Banner. His whole deal in his book at that time was preventing his future, and Banner was on top of his list. Would have advanced his deal and help showcase the perils of alt futures.

[@anthonylynch423]

Ian McKee slow clap! Awesome idea and the ultimate revenge old man Logan has been seeking

[@spiderbatman97]

That would have may way to much sense, Bendis couldn't allow that (the funny thing is that he actually wrote a mini for him in Secret Wars, so he could have tied it to that) he has to go for the contrived route and pissing more fans along the way.

[@ianmckee4726]

I mean, Bendis loves nothing above referencing himself, and he wrote OML, so I expected him to do that. It would even be a great Bendis moment of everyone freaking out about who this old guy is and why he has claws, and one of the extraordinary X-Men crew trying to explain hes from an alt future. He could ahve an entire issue of Bendis-speak of people interrupting each other and asking the same questions over again as a room full of idiots all talk over each other debating the thing.

[@spiderbatman97]

Maybe Lemire beg him to not do that with the characther that he was writting, or he just forgot about and thought that this idea was better.

[@geekmangacomic9916]

Ian McKee Old Man Logan was there when they went to confront Hulk. Tbh, I would have thought that Old Man Logan would have lashed out and killed him right there. He had so much motivation to do it. Think: He wanted to kill Banner. He wanted to prevent the death of all the heroes. He should have sliced Banner's neck right there.

[@gettingartsywithalobster1949]

Man a garbage book means a great episode right off the bat!

[@gettingartsywithalobster1949]

The Ezek Rule #2 Screw ties you shouldn't have to read a million titles to get a single story

[@kofteburger]

man

[@20DollarGoldPiece]

DoctorMeatball Definitely!!

[@excelsiorreview]

If you guys are reading this what is a good marvel comic to start reading

[@loganflowers564]

Nickoles Jones astonishing x-men just came out its probably the best book marvel has and it just came out last week I believe

[@gabrielreyesjr7852]

ulysses died on the way back to his home planet

[@raray12]

I love Tiffany's face when sal said they use magic here lmao

[@ItsTheFizz]

Eternity "Poochie-ing" Ulysses away doesn't even make sense because at the time of CW2, it was a major plotpoint in The Ultimates that something or someone had physically bound Eternity with unbreakable chains in the multiverse... AND CAROL'S THE GODDAMN LEADER OF THE ULTIMATES!

[@ItsTheFizz]

Civil War II was doomed to fail from the premise alone... The whole struggle revolves around the conceit that precognition is a limited and recently-introduced resource in the Marvel Universe, which even the most cursory follower of comics can tell you is NOT TRUE. But like you said, HONEY BENDIS DON'T CARE

[@SeekerLancer]

Superboy Prime's retcon punch has nothing on the unstoppable retcon power of Bendis.

[@WannabeWryter]

Poor Captain Marvel

[@YAYCONFORMITY]

The problem with this was the same as the problem with Civil War 1. Basically, the characters all found out that the title of the book was "Civil War". So they all said "welp, I guess that instead of acting like rational human beings we better start civil warring".

[@skorcher5633]

As an avid Inhumans reader/fan... Sal, I have something to say to you thats been a long time coming... Michele doesn't get redemption.

[@comicpop]

+Skorcher Closure!

[@jtparker1003]

Lmfao

[@WebSlingerProductionsofficial]

It's been 9 months since your comment...Does she get redemption now?

[@thomasjohnson1885]

Web-Slinger She’ll get her own event that will shake the marvel universe to its core.

[@WebSlingerProductionsofficial]

Thomas Johnson Oh Nice

[@WhiteRaven696]

The thing that gets me about Civil War 2 is... Both Tony and Carol were right in their own ways. But it was written in such a way that they humanized Tony's "you can't punish people for something they may never do" viewpoint and didn't focus on the very real and very logical possibility that Carol could just have SHIELD and superheroes stationed at the locations of potential catastrophes, stopping them as they begin and imprisoning the guilty culprits. Instead they just had Carol hounding people who, at the time, were just innocent of the crimes they were accused of. A good civil war story should show both viewpoints, bring logic and emotion into both viewpoints and make it a heartbreaking decision for the readers to pick a side. But with CW2, because of the way BMB decided to write Carol, there was no logic to her actions, she wildly accused people as soon as visions came in, instead of waiting for situations to arise and cutting down the threat accordingly. Preparation instead of accusation should've been her method and it wasn't so all the potential this story had just flew out the window.

[@shiningnight12]

THIS. This is reason why I hated Civil War 2 cause it was so one sided. It never developed Carol side at all.

[@thetotallyrealkeanureeves2563]

Iron Man actually once built a supercomputer that would predict crimes, and did exactly what you said Carol should have done.

[@jabezcreed]

There is an Inhuman that became a door.

[@Helidokter1]

Can we please keep Bendis away from Clint Barton, Fraction dedicated time during his Hawkeye run to prove Hawkeye isn't a killer, And Bendis just makes him a murderer again.

[@chriswaugh1177]

That Xmen jacket is so cool and it looks great on Tiffany, the color of the jacket with the color of her hair makes her look like an Xmen character.

[@TheRealZubes]

Thank you!

[@robertcorr6971]

I always thought the crappiest thing about this was that Spider-man 2099, a man from the future, was not more involved with a story about an inhuman may or may not be able to clearly predict the future

[@liverusrock6789]

The only future vision from the last issue I really cared about was Old King Thor fighting Loki (who is using the necrosword) mostly because I want to see that fight.

[@juanjoseaparcana1447]

What's funny is that Al Ewing in his Ultimates run, made Eternity prisoner of a bigger cosmic entity at the time of Civil War II. Which means that Bendis didn't pay attention to continuity again. -_-

[@AW3SOM3]

Tif looks offended when ever Dr. Strange is mentioned

[@TevyaSmolka]

In fact Peter Parker aka Spider-Man isn't even in this train wreck event which is really frustrating because WTF was the point of his useless tie in

[@WannabeWryter]

He's not there, that's like if Red Robin was seen killing HawkMan and Batman didn't show up

[@TevyaSmolka]

Amari Wryter indeed

[@nerdking1019]

MONEY

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@nerdking1019 I know and honestly at that point during that time i should've suspected from the very beginning that tie-in was basically a cash grab that went nowhere in the long scheme of things.

[@priceyyeti4058]

Had a pretty shitty day at work. Pissed off my boss to no end, didn't do my work as well as I could, pretty much disappointed in myself. And this just put the biggest fucking smile on my face.

[@jackawatkins87]

I can't find anybody that has said the words "MINORITY REPORT!" That's exactly what the conflict in this story is

[@akap]

Funny that Thanos dresses like Csble, considering they're being played by the same actor.

[@grubbu7073]

The way sal spitefully looks at Tiffany every time doc strange uses magic is hilarious

[@batfreeze56]

I wouldn't say that Ulysses looks like a Dragon Ball Z character, Tiffany. Dragon Ball characters have a lot more subtlety.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

This is kind of like christening a ship's maiden voyage by hitting it with a bottle of Strawberry Schnapps.

[@Avatarconner]

12:20 is the greatest moment in comicpop history.

[@eden6862]

"No, use turkey...! Don't use turkey!" I'm officially a fan. 😂

[@z7983]

I still don't know why Iron Man was using a fkn War Machine armour to fight Captain Marvel at the end. He should've used his normal armour or Endo Sym armour or Bleeding Edge armour etc and he would've easily destroyed Captain Marvel. Putting him into coma was just done solely to introduce Riri Williams

[@comixproviderftw_02]

WOOOAAAHH... This set. IT'S LIKE DA FUTURE!

[@ilhamitangor2622]

Bruh your amazing tributes plz comeback to making videos

[@comixproviderftw_02]

İlhami Tangör I wish I could. But there's so much stuff in my personal life that's going on, like college and home that I hardly have time to make. But you can look up Guigo, who also does tribute videos and does a good job at it.

[@ghoulking7616]

It would have been better if Ulysses' power was making people see illusions and the inhumans thought he could see the future and they made everyone else think it, while Ulysses was just like, "I don't want to piss off these all powerful beings so I'm just gonna go along with it." Would have injected some actual stakes and tension in the story.

[@levismith4515]

For the last few months I've seen the production quality skyrocket. With the perfectly placed pop-ups, better lighting, sound, etc. This new set is certainly a testament to that. It's clean, focused, and just nice to look at. I'm really glad that you guys can expand but I hope you don't lose the heart you've held since the Little House Days. But from what I've seen you aren't losing it. Glad to see you guys expand!

[@devinamendez9709]

i love this channel...thanks comicpop family

[@flywheelshyster]

the lockjaw human background story is still the best inhuman comic pitch I've ever heard, including the actual inhuman books....well except for Warren Ellis' Karnak, though it went nowhere fast, was wicked bones for its short time lived.... you know what, even better than that

[@Yungtacosss]

Lmao I HATED Ulysses seeing Sal ragging on him and this book in general gives me so much joy lol

[@99jmaster]

I remember before Thanos shows up War Machine makes a joke asking Tony for new armor and then Thanos just gut punches Rodey to death

[@barryallen2569]

48:49 Damn, Carol really looked at Miles and just went "It's a Canon event, bro"

[@FoundationWorship]

rewinded to 12:25 about 4 times tbh

[@donb7519]

Just listen to the way sal says what

[@tatersalad76]

@@donb7519 straight up went Skeletor with his "wat"

[@donb7519]

@@tatersalad76 honestly ben gifts us with the best back issue moments

[@tatersalad76]

@@donb7519 he really does though

[@donb7519]

@@tatersalad76 i mean between this and doomsday sex what more can you ask for

[@aisnota5192]

Mark Millar: "I ruined Marvel!" Brian Michael Bendis: "Ha! Challenge accepted!"

[@TechnicolorGhosts]

Personally I don't hate civil war 2. I feel its just not.....needed or wanted or necessary.

[@TechnicolorGhosts]

Also just to add this Nick spencer should've written civil war 2

[@bobcho105]

Eoin O Connell or good

[@TevyaSmolka]

agreed its not only unnecessary but also a complete cash grab plain and simple

[@deazy6453]

Eoin O Connell same

[@WebSlingerProductionsofficial]

Most of the good books are not wanted or necessary. It's just good storytelling which will make you think it's good. Civil War 2 just doesn't have it.No good plot,characters acting out of character,Carol was %100 wrong so not a good civil war and etc...

[@oldkingcole4354]

Stark does make a good point in this about how Ulysses visions could be influenced by his own bias and stuff.

[@Hardy34]

Congrats on the new set guys. Y'all deserve it. Appreciate all the hard work. Awesome episode y'all!

[@TheDrugOfTheNation]

31:57 and it's a world of dread and fear, where the only water flowing is the bitter sting of tears.

[@Farmeryeti]

That Iron Man Mk II helmet kicks ass. Oh, and the new studio does too. I guess.

[@michaelthethird702]

OMG. I love Depeche Mode, 24:25 may be one of my favorite Back Issues tangents ever. Bwahahahahaha

[@Grievousish]

My god it was impossible to side with Captain Marvel on this one. Say what you will about the first Civil War, at least both sides had some good arguments (up until the whole thor clone thing at least). This shit show was just one sided from start to finish.

[@cmmosher8035]

Bendis seems to be best when he is writing smaller stories like Daredevil, Alias and Ultimate Spiderman. He can day to day life stories but damn do his bigger epic stories go flat.

[@SnackMuay]

I love whenever Sal shifts his tone, like at 5:46 you always know something stupid is coming.

[@LeitoLegito]

I love how it's 13 minutes until they talk about the actual book, LOL, fave show, easily.

[@wilagaton9627]

54:45 "So basically both sides are deciding *TO BE A-HOLES* "

[@shaneyvincent]

wiggum: "erm..he was turning into a monster tho.."

[@sirtoby4939]

Auw, mah guys. You get a new place just to shoot a home-run of a Back Issues episode for my birthday? That's super considerate of you :'D

[@TevyaSmolka]

happy birthday

[@SSj5Alan]

"Bendis is a great writer when he gives a shit." So Bendis hasn't given a shit since 2004? Lol jk

[@alexandrumarin8981]

Ben is hillarious! Always askin' the right questions 😂😂😂

[@endergamez5874]

Ben: "Yeah, for a dog." Tiff: *Looks at Ben horrified Sal: "Wat?"

[@IvanTheTurrible]

So glad you did this. I didn't just drop this book after issue 1, I stopped reading Marvel entirely because of this dam event until recently

[@hanamori21]

Congrats on your success guys. The new studio is great. RIP #CouchPoP

[@thetizic]

A little echoey but loving the set. Where'd you get that X men sweater Tiff?

[@TheRealZubes]

TheTiz at a con! I think it's either we love fine or her universe.

[@anthonylynch423]

TheRealZubes awesome tiff! I love Ethan and Ben but seeing you & sal on an episode together is always amazing! Y'all are amazing! Keep it up been following for a few years now and have watched every back issues from episode 1 to now

[@sofaninja0552]

SAL how about Agent Venom, I know that like me you enjoyed FrankenCastle and that along with Agent Venom is Remender at his best

[@sofaninja0552]

I'd also be interested in hearing what you think about Age of X I persona lly thought the story wasn't the best but had some good character interpretations Arcade turning Cyclops into Basilisk weaponizing him as a means to execute other mutants on Alcatraz

[@Chalk0073]

I second Age of X, one of the coolest short crossovers ever

[@Enzo_Matrix92]

Age of X was fucking awesome.

[@rockymaffitt3345]

If you read the Capt Marvel tie ins, you would see how conflicted Carol was about this. She was following the orders of her superiors when using Ulysses. Though she had her own doubts.

[@The_High_SeAs]

Damn, you guys are fantastic, you need more subscribers. Thanks that was informative.

[@greyscott5908]

Very intrigued by how Sal is going to explain this mess lol love you guys, cool studio place.

[@dbzrulesok]

Never realised how much I loved Valiant hardcover spine designs, but damn, those are some sexy trades.

[@attackonlui1367]

An hour of back issues....my body is ready

[@zachhaynes6924]

New quote for the back "It's Great!" ComicPOP.

[@brandondaniels1862]

Great episode as always. Looking forward to more in the new studio.

[@the-nightmayor]

I got your back Ben, I've been working on creating a living pegasus for years! Currently, all I have is something I refer to as a "hover-donkey", but I'm getting there!

[@evandavies9780]

Wait, Ulysses got his powers at Ohio State? I'll be going there in the fall. Should I make a terrigen mist club? lol.

[@erikmussoni9071]

Holy crap, Ben had a way better story idea! I re-read this story recently and didn't start hating it until about half way through, which was surprising because I originally hated it from issue #1. I think it's because, at the time, I legitimately thought Bendis would kill off a character every single issue (basically "the dying will continue until sales improve."). Upon re-read, I actually thought the first couple issues were decent and then it falls completely off the rails when Bendis basically just starts stalling for time. I was shocked when I found out Miles in a forcefield didn't even happen in the last issue. Marquez's art is great until the end, though. BTW, just to go super nerdy detailed for a second: John Byrne was the guy who created that Lockjaw was an Inhuman turned into a dog. Marvel later hated the idea so they made Peter David retcon it, so he said it was just Karnak playing a prank on Quicksilver.

[@oatmat]

Man that gorgeous Art by David Marquez was completely wasted on this stupid fucking book

[@oatmat]

Marvel has some of the best Artist working right now: Steve Mcniven, David Marquez, Sara Pichelli, Esad Ribic, Russell Dauterman, Mahmud Asrar, Brian Stelfreeze, I would love to see some of them come over to DC already, I mean can you imagine Russell Dauterman drawing Batman he would totally bring a whole new element to it that we haven't seen in a long time!!!!

[@oatmat]

oops totally forgot Stuart Immonen

[@dennisssmith430]

And, of course, Marvel just HAD to shit ALL over all of them at their Summit meeting :/ Idk why those artists even bother staying

[@Enzo_Matrix92]

Just like ''Justice League Cry for Justice''.

[@liverusrock6789]

Marvel has artists that would kill It in some especific solo character books but for some reason they don't put them in there, guys like Alex Maleev or Steve McNiven on Punisher and Leinil Yu or David Aja on Daredevil would be awesome to see imo.

[@ellrick]

damn, the new set is SLICK. Very professional.

[@leomoreno7369]

The more I here about Brian Michael Bendis's work, the more I wonder how he keeps getting work.

[@antgto]

Sweet! I legitimately tried avoiding this event, but I just know in this context it'll be awesome.

[@thestinger9974]

Hey ComicPop , love the episode and the new set , speaking of....I guess you could say that it's a NEW FRONTIER , so maybe you could cover the book of the same title anytime soon , anyway thanks a lot for this hour of fun and i hope next week's book will be as good !!!

[@MikeDo_0]

The new set is beautiful guys. Good job 👏🏾

[@777Saviour]

Rip red couch but loving the new studio

[@Itfeelgoodkids]

I love the new setup. I hope you guys keep expanding!

[@Keyxei]

This episode is hilarious!loving the new layout, and I hope to see you guys succeed even more in the future!

[@jdog1823]

I know why hawkeye left he wanted to escape this comic

[@Sicod79]

In X-Factor Peter David clarified that Lockjaw being a man was a joke the Inhumans were playing on Ben Grimm.

[@monstermanalex1313]

I loved the Boba Fett rant :)

[@thelonewolfronstringer6266]

I just wanna say thanks to you all at comic pop love your videos not one day passes with out watching

[@Raidanzoup]

Danvers and War Machine had had a thing going between them for a while ever since she got promoted to Captain Marvel, if I recall correctly. I remember it being a thing in the Kelly Sue DeConnick run. Edit: People who mutate due to experiments or accidents are called mutates!

[@aaronwalley3077]

Sick Voyager reference

[@joshcowdrey7894]

PLEASE make this show available in podcast format!

[@zinnydonovan3681]

I love the new set! And an excellent episode to go along with it too.

[@karimzaid9726]

man i wish i had tiffany's sweater, it looks pretty cool

[@Opieboi]

10:04 💀 oh I see yes

[@andres99571]

The image of Maria holding jesus, of Miles and Tony I think is more a references to Daredevil born again.

[@comicpop]

They're both the same reference.

[@nudienboy]

nice upgrade. keep up the good work. I love listening to your show while I game.

[@e-heromanny4348]

my God the level of volume they all have vary like crazy. LoL Is anyone else watching at night constantly adjusting the volume?

[@TigarArkham]

are we sure bendis didn't write batman vs superman?

[@movieguy2459]

FOR THE NEXT EPISODE, DO JUSTICE BY ALEX ROSS

[@mangoman5693]

MovieGuy 24 Does everyone forget that Jim Kreuger wrote that book?

[@movieguy2459]

Mango Man I also forgot about him. Thanks

[@trevormerritt548]

Alex Ross didn't even draw Justice, he just did the paints.

[@movieguy2459]

Trevor Merritt yeah that's true

[@movieguy2459]

I just want them to do it

[@spencereschmann6914]

yay! now i dont have to read this!!! studio looks great guys!

[@eMOTIvE120]

They should set up some sound proof office dividers outside of view of the camera, I think it'd help with their echo problem. Other than that great episode as always!