Car Dealerships Are Out of Control

[@UndaCuvaChikin]

The only thing worse than the dealerships that do this are the customers that buy the vehicles for these ridiculous prices. It's enabling the dealerships to keep doing it.

[@Jame6999]

Like putting ugly women on a pedestal. Now these women feel entitled because they're egos are inflated

[@DJYoungBeast]

As a former car salesman, you couldn't be more right. Lots of honourable sales people are leaving the industry because mangers always hold out for the guliable idiots and burn the hundreds of honest customers.

[@jimcurt99]

If you're STUPID enough to pay these prices you deserve being scammed

[@rohanmeep9820]

@@DJYoungBeast ggyyyuuuuu

[@rohanmeep9820]

Gugihiu

[@ecooley257]

"We finally have cool jobs and we still can't afford cars." You've nailed it James. All of my current pains.

[@davidhudson3001]

@@ericalorraine7943 I'll advise you look up Priscilla Dearmin-Turner, she's the real investment prodigy and has also helped me handled my trades for over 17 months now.

[@adesolataiwo7507]

Financial management is a crucial topic that most tend to shy away from, and ends up haunting them in the near future.

[@dr.ervingalen1777]

A news host spoke so highly of💕 Priscilla Dearmin-Turner and her loss prevention strategies been trying to get to her ever since

[@investorwest8735]

@@davidhudson3001i just lookup her name and found her qualifications on FINRA and SEC, she seems really solid. I leave her a mail on her webpage🙏

[@jewellwalker9808]

Paid off $792000 in 8 months thanks to Madam Priscilla! So happy we are finally onto baby step 4, 5 & 6! Amazing! 🇨🇦

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Such a fun collab, the chemistry was rock solid between Donut and Throttle House. Knew I wouldn’t be disappointed.

[@PrydeWater901]

I’m disappointed that they didn’t shout out Extra Throttle House.

[@johnmcmahon76]

I never thought this would happen. I watch Throttle House all the time

[@alexmunoz441]

Please do this again

[@jackdaddy5000]

James talk some cent$ into me...

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@PrydeWater901 yup. Throttle House also just keep matching Donut.

[@cov-hc2022]

These videos the guys make continue to baffle me. I work at a Subaru dealership in Colorado, and our store is the only one in the state not adding addendums to new/used cars. A couple of months ago, Subaru’s CEO actually publicly reprimanded the other dealerships in our region for selling over sticker and taking advantage of people. Idk what other consequences they received, but it’s just crazy to me! Stop the madness!! 😳

[@giancarlo9091]

The problem is that this mostly affects the brands reputation and not the dealership administrations. Manufacturers need to take action, but actually do it and NOT say you are!

[@fillherbut1880]

That’s definitely not THE problem The problem is that consumers r getting the F taken out of them

[@Jimbo7]

@@fillherbut1880 well yeah obviously, but the point is that manufacturers aren't stepping in out of the kindness of their hearts. The insane markup does little to actually benefit the manufacturers, so at this point it's just damaging their brands

[@eydvlogs3541]

The problem is people actually paying these prices.

[@djneedles000]

Its mostly the dealership

[@childofnewlight]

@@eydvlogs3541 Exactly. Free market economy. Dealerships are charging these prices because people must be paying them. If it wasn't paying off for the dealerships, they wouldn't be asking this much. Every time something like this happens, people want to go crying to nanny government or nanny manufacturer because they want X thing cheaper. That's not how a market economy works. You're not entitled to something at a certain price. Don't pay it, the price will go down.

[@no_lft_shft]

It's crazy because dealerships were meant to keep manufacturers from doing this very thing to the consumer. Now look. Dealerships are below lawyers IMO.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Dealerships were meant to keep car manufacturers from carrying inventory, not to protect the customers.

[@no_lft_shft]

@@UncleKennysPlace yeah that's what they were started for

[@fillherbut1880]

@@UncleKennysPlace actually, back in the 20s the US senate made a bunch of antitrust laws to stop manufacturers from having a monopoly on car sales The American laws need to be rewritten, but who’s gonna do that lol

[@lonyo5377]

@@UncleKennysPlace I think he's talking about the laws preventing manufacturers selling direct not about the concept of dealerships

[@diegoviramontes7449]

When dealerships Mark Up like this, means less cars sold, less money made by car companies, but dealerships still make more because greater profit

[@CPLFit]

As a person who lives in Oklahoma, I looked at this hummer on the Seth Wadley website, and yes it actually was $300k at one point. They had it listed higher than a new V12 AMG G-Wagon. Absolutely criminal.

[@MrJimheeren]

Important question. Who in his right mind buys a Hummer

[@lo1bo2]

@@MrJimheeren 1) Someone who is rich enough to not be bothered with that level of spending, and 2) wants the latest and greatest to show off.

[@alistairwalker2850]

Just a reminder that Joe Exotic had a pretty cozy business relationship with Seth Wadley before he was arrested.

[@violater7026]

Hummer has 400 more HP than the g wagon

[@7.3gss]

@@violater7026 Yeah but it's not an AMG and not a v12

[@michaelmartin7797]

1). This was the best collab yet. Awesome job guys! Hope Donut brings Throttle House back 2). $285k?!?! Are you f**king kidding me?!?! All jokes aside, that should be illegal

[@cenciende9401]

In first world countries (so not america) it usually is! It's MSRP all day erry day in my country lol not that I can possibly afford a new car still though

[@matthewjbauer1990]

@@cenciende9401 In the USA, we have laws governing price gouging or when a seller takes advantage of a situation to raise prices beyond what is considered fair and reasonable. It is encouraged that, in certain situations, like excessively high dealer markups, that you report that dealer to the local state's Consumer Protection Agency. Here in my state, the Attorney General's Office investigates these reports. You can also report price gouging to the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) Bureau of Consumer Protection, although they are Federal so not really tasked with issues a state can handle.

[@idkalan00]

​@Matthew Bauer the thing is the car dealerships in various states have successfully lobbied against their business being applicable to anti-price gouging laws. States also refuse to go after dealerships because of the state taxes they get from car sales. So the higher the car's price, the higher the sales tax. You can complain to your local state about a store selling the $0.99 cans of Arizona iced tea for $5 and it would count as price gouging, but you can't do that with dealerships.

[@Enderito]

​@@cenciende9401imagine trashing a country that you aren't even in 😂 let alone the most successful country in the history of the world

[@pochewilson]

@@Enderito “most successful country in the world” is a BIG stretch

[@sussolus]

I like how manufacturers are finally putting out good budget performance cars and then the dealers just get to remove the budget part entirely.

[@fercho.7776]

even more funny that dealers scheme was to prevent this exact thing (among others) from manufacturers xD

[@raymonds7492]

And how ford is trying to make an affordable pickup and dealers ruined it. Seriously a decent spec F-150 is ridiculous now.

[@angelgjr1999]

They’re going to kill the new GR Corolla like they killed the fiesta st. I hate Stealerships. We need to end them already.

[@jf8188]

@@angelgjr1999 they’re useless. Just middle men to pocket money. Nothing else

[@DroneStrike1776]

I just want a use MK7 GTI, that's all I want. They were going for low 10s pre pandemic, now they're pushing 20k. This is pretty sad. I guess I'll have my E90 for another 10 years.

[@BabyJesus66]

The problem isn't just the dealers... it's the idiots who buy the cars for these prices. Unless your car is disabled there's no good reason to pay these stupid prices... be patient and maybe the prices will go back to not being dumb af.

[@SlashCampable]

Those idiots ruin it for everyone. The sneaker game has been a joke for almost as long as I have been in it because people can make a living off buying a limited 300€ shoe and sell it for 1200€ easily. Rich people are really bad with their money because they can afford it, unfortunately.

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

Unfortunately we live in a world where Blac Chyna and the Kardashians are cultural trend setters... The campaign to keep people stupid, docile and apathetic is working a treat.

[@gilbertosantos2806]

Exactly, they probably never got their money through hard work, so they have no value for money.

[@arkan7495]

Rich people really don't understand cars and their value. Take the prince of Brunei for example, bought millions of rare care and just left them to rot while that's one less car for someone who works hard to get their dream car. Even the 90's JDM cars are so expensive now.

[@ronburgundy4375]

They will the bubbles going to pop and they're going to be absolutely begging you to buy everything you're seeing in the world is happening on purpose its all artificial

[@Azorthefirst]

There's a dealership near me selling a Bronco claiming its a 1 of 1 "custom spec" car for 104,000 USD... absolute insanity

[@aliajohnson1909]

I’ve been trying to get a bronco. But they are selling them for double their worth. It’s a f*cking Ford m! They are throwing out German luxury SUV prices. 60k-80k ? 😂😂🤣🤣.

[@Draz1984]

Waiting for a bronco also but to order one. Don’t feel bad, better we don’t have one yet not just price but severe problems with hard tops and the 2.7L engine failing due to poor parts on valves

[@hartonosutrisno5452]

Well, car manufacturer always jacking up the price regardless on what condition we have right now. In my country, all cars that labeled as PREMIUM are taxed by another 200%, e.g. Mercedes C class lowest variation was cost 20k Euro in Germany, in here was about 60k Euro excluded transportation and On The Road fee (adding to almost 70k Euro). More premium brand will be another tax included and you wont get premium cars unless you are either very rich or having successful career to buying it. Luckily, common cars like Toyota, Honda and Suzuki are less affected by tax and affordable for most cars except if you go for high-end brand like Infiniti, Lexus and Acura, thats another story

[@christopherengland654]

$104k 😅 if O.J. hasn't driven it then nah, I'm cool 😅

[@sarges1712]

one of one because they painted a bronco on it? lol

[@oljimeagle]

My sister just bought a new RAV4 hybrid. I talked her into walking away from the first dealership (also in Virginia) they had a damn 6k "Market adjustment fee". A 2k inventory something fee and another multi thousand dollar delivery fee.. these people are absolute thieves.

[@brockjennings]

Dealers are getting away with this because people flush with cash seem to think it's a badge of honor to buy something thousands over MSRP. Careless spending has become the new way to flaunt wealth.

[@Michael-jq5pf]

It's always been the case. But usually they just buy inherently more expensive vehicles to show the excessive unnecessary spending.. not wilfully get scammed and then brag about it, as they do now. In short yeah, you're right.

[@JamesDavis-mm2mi]

Its ok. When the market dies down and they lose countless money we will win in the end

[@DARKEST_VANTA]

So you're just espousing 'assumptions?' Do you really know the intent of every car buyer? From a dealer friend, car sales are down across the board, no one is buying them.

[@ag11b69]

And if you complain you're automatically labeled as broke. Just like the idiots paying 8k and above for 90s Toyota trucks because reliable, never mind that it's rusted to shit and has been sitting for years.

[@atodaso1668]

My Aunt is rich and when I was a kid I went hat shopping with her, she just asked for the most expensive.

[@guffalump756]

Throttlehouse James softly saying "and canadians" after Donut James' impassioned line about taking advantage of Americans is unironically also the most Canadian way to express that sentiment.

[@janellycarrera712]

I watched this 2x and missed it timestamp?

[@guffalump756]

@@janellycarrera712 James starts his mini rant/exposition at around 5:17. James' polite "and canadians" is at 5:36

[@rickyperea7861]

😂😂😂😂

[@liferescripted]

It's nowhere near as bad here. We can actually get cars close to their MSRP from dealers. Used cars are iffy, but new cars in Canada are not insane.

[@BIGSHARKMAN]

Dealers in Canada are actually not allowed to mark up prices of new vehicles its illegal

[@joes661]

I work for a car manufacturer and I've been looking at using my employee discount...with the current prices I can buy a mid spec one, put 30,000 miles on it and sell it for a profit. It's actually insane

[@roboticunclephil]

Are you allowed to flip them like that?

[@joes661]

@@roboticunclephil you have to keep them for a while but theoretically you can get them daily drive them and brake even 😭

[@2nd_a_dad4791]

I know someone who works for a large Ford dealership and is doing exactly that.

[@2nd_a_dad4791]

I told him at these prices, he should’ve ordered 2

[@inosurrender8327]

How much is your discount ?

[@marcoronigootz9138]

What's even crazier is that whoever bought that Hummer most likely left the dealer thinking they got the better deal since they negotiated $30k off

[@deathberry33]

Electric Hummer: $315,000. Jeremiah's face when he found out how much the dealer was charging for an electric hummer: *Priceless.*

[@DroneStrike1776]

Get a hummer for about 20 bucks on the south side if you know what I ... So I heard.

[@Rafaxel_27]

Not to mention when you looked at Seth Wadley's website, the Hummer was actually USED. Maybe it's just for 141 miles or 227 km, but the price is still insane even for a brand new car.

[@tomasacevedo3932]

@@Rafaxel_27 I like how they came into terms on how outrageous their asking price was so they dropped the price for the reasonable 279k as of 04/30/2022.

[@Infernos01]

Might as well buy a house with that kind of money

[@armadillolover99]

For that price can buy a Ferrari F8 and still have 50 grand left over

[@jasonserkowski7194]

This game should be played as over/under. The team who wins the previous round guesses a price and the other team says either over or under

[@NateBee]

That or remove the price is right rule portion. Just get closer.

[@nickpurdy69]

@@NateBee yeah that's what I commented. The price is right rule destroys the fun of WHY they are guessing a certain number.

[@whyjnot420]

@@nickpurdy69 I think that is an incorrect way of saying it. I would say it moves the fun from that _why_ factor, into a competition between the people/teams playing it, in a method that is very related to capitalism..... undercutting the competition. Which is why Price Is Right rules are fun, because they are actively playing against each other, which anyone on earth can relate to without any knowledge of what they are actually trying to guess the price on.

[@nickpurdy69]

@@whyjnot420 if one team says 40k then it's just a game of higher or lower. That's it. I'd rather hear WHY they think it should be 40k or why one team thinks it should be 45k because of the area, car, miles etc...

[@whyjnot420]

@@nickpurdy69 Personally I think that kind of stuff is better when it is more focused on the topic, regardless if it is delivered in a funny or serious manner. *Why* dealerships are doing what they are doing, or at least why they think they are doing it, is certainly worthy of exploration. But given that it really is a serious topic. Keeping the focus on it, by not using a gameshow format in the first place, would imo be more effective. Thinking about things, perhaps this should have been done in a two part format. One part as it was done here, with the game show. Then another focused on the events in the real world. Delivered with the snark common to Donut videos. Maybe there is a disconnect here worthy of note though: These are car people talking about cars. The Price Is Right works as a game show as well as it does, because it is everyday people rather than people who have (at least somewhat) detailed knowledge about what they are bidding on. But at the same time, I can see why someone could argue that this makes it even better here. Regardless, on the objective side of things, calling out the dealerships until they stop doing this BS is what is really important. One way or another.

[@gothops154]

“We finally have cool jobs and still can’t afford cars” As someone to got a VERY cool job in 2020, i FELT this one HARD

[@Heybrother69]

Felt this too. Hate hearing from the older co workers in my trade about how they’d spend their months check on hot rods or buying new trucks just loaded the flip out for next to nothing back in the 70’s and 80’s… here I am contemplating a 600$ payment I was quoted in a lease RAV4 😂 what the flip man

[@SoulEraser000]

Imagine us with not so cool jobs . Just that much further away now

[@titacake4284]

@@Heybrother69 Yeah, I'm finally in my dream job and cannot afford cars and houses anyway because everyone decided to go crazy. T_T

[@jameswilson8907]

@@Heybrother69 I 100% feel that, and the worst part is a lot of those older guys just straight up don't believe you that things aren't as affordable now. The house that I own was built by my grandfather when he was the same age as me, on a single income and two kids with more on the way and they lived comfortably with new cars their entire lives. I paid less than half the average mortgage cost for my area because I bought the place from my grandmother and things are still tight with me and my wife both working full time. And to really put things in perspective the factory he worked at was bought out by a foreign company and shut down years ago.

[@12gauge_shawtyy]

@@jameswilson8907 it really sucks how all the money just got sent straight to the top and we're all still down here arguing about it

[@guyroach]

definitely a video format that could turn into a staple of the channel. Could even spin it into an interview show where a couple cars out of the bunch are related to a car story from the guest.

[@heyitsmikey128]

I LOVE this colab, my two favorite car youtubers! Idea for this game though (which I love). Price of right rules are BS. I would suggest calculating the difference from the actual value as a "total dollar amount off" score.

[@zofficial5600]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2fbpaWDordpmas it's finally here

[@techtard829]

@@blautens House rules are ALWAYS Price is Right rules. It's the American way.

[@konsta3000]

Teams take turns setting a line and the other team gets to pick over or under!

[@heyitsmikey128]

@@konsta3000 This would also be good!

[@graham1034]

I think a better way is one team chooses a price and the other has to guess over/under. Alternate which team guesses each round.

[@mcmaschio]

The D List is becoming so entertaininng when they have multiple hosts … loving it ❤️🔥 inspiring for us creators as always 💯

[@conormctee3942]

They need more guests like race drivers and mangers engineers and all that stuff xx

[@mcmaschio]

@@conormctee3942 that would be sick af 🔥

[@dnmoscato92]

There are too many "creators" lol

[@doubledribble90]

Loved the Throttle House collab Man just do it more often......love you guys

[@thelawfamilyproduction329]

My 2 favourite car channels combined! It's like Dragon Ball when Vegeta combined with Goku.

[@solidasapeachoffroad4005]

We actually live 30min from the Hummer EV. My wife looked up the price as we drove by, when it was still set over 300k, and we had a little challenge with everyone in the truck on the price. Non of us were even close to guessing it. That dealership list vehicles for outrageous prices all the time.

[@moontoon28]

They want 140 for a new corvette and 130 for a raptor with the Baja kit, also saw a very mid range expedition there for 85 k smh

[@myhandlewastakenandIgaveup]

I hope they are not selling a single car.

[@reaganbrazzel6472]

I’m actually a car salesman and a devoted subscriber to this channel. I work at a pretty large dealership in northern Louisiana. Our dealership refuses to price gouge, even though almost everyone else around us is. A lot of the issue here is other dealers are having issues getting vehicles, so they mark their current ones up to keep their profits close to the same.

[@lonyo5377]

Yeah, unless you can stop paying rent on your lot and fire all your employees you have costs to cover

[@miracleman8022]

I’m ok with some markup because if you have no cars I get but charge 1.5k max dealers used to always discount cars literally I would buy and they would discount them by 1-4K lol they barely made profits they made them in finace but now all of a sudden they need to charge way more come on

[@reaganbrazzel6472]

@@miracleman8022 yeah, we are a large enough dealership so we have a little bit more inventory than most. We are still discounting our vehicles a little bit.

[@SlyBalto]

I have a lot of respect for your dealership for not price gouging!!

[@FratterKnox]

@@lonyo5377 exactly, it’s amazing how many people don’t understand basic supply and demand. While I agree I personally wouldn’t pay these ridiculous prices, I’m not going to ridicule dealerships for doing what they need to do. Unlike a lot of other industries, cars are very price elastic, which is why normally you can negotiate and get reductions in price. Unfortunately, that also works in the other direction when supply is difficult to secure, irregular, or scarce.

[@imgumbydmnt]

If the car makers don't do something soon to penalize these shady dealers, it's going to affect their brand.

[@Shankmeyster]

Too late. Look at the Focus and Type R.

[@Mayberrymojo]

@@Shankmeyster Ya, Type R ruined my feelings towards Honda and the Honda dealers in my city.

[@cdeeznuts3995]

The focus isn’t even relevant now. It was discontinued before this madness even started.

[@cdeeznuts3995]

And the focus being a flop cuz the dealers didn’t affect the brand

[@almityace]

Ford is getting rid of dealers because fo this soon

[@LifeIsAJourney4Us]

Ordered a Jeep fully loaded, all options, safety included on February 10th. Was built and delivered in 8 weeks from the factory. Paid below MSRP and the dealer threw in some add ons for free. Great dealer, good vehicle, no delays….Yes it is not invoice like we used to get, but I’m happy and got 100% of what I wanted.

[@jdstarek]

Aren’t there “price gauging” laws in the US? I know companies have been charged in the past. Why are dealerships getting a pass?

[@UncleKennysPlace]

It's "gouging", and there shouldn't be any such laws. But where there are, it relates to natural disasters, etc. The car manufacturer _cannot_ set the selling price of the car under most agreements. Wanna kiss any discounts goodbye?

[@brianwright9514]

Yeah and they're actually pretty short sighted. Price is set as a response to supply and demand. Demand is super high right now and supply is super poor. If the price didn't go up at the dealerships, you'd have people buying these and then reselling them at the same or worse mark-up.

[@Z38_US]

@@brianwright9514 yeah but atleast you could still get it for a reasonable price at a dealership if one were to pop up what people actually sell it for (or list it for) when privately selling has nothing to do with this

[@seafooddiablo5686]

The price gouging laws only protect human necessities such as food, gas, utilities, etc. Cars are not a necessity technically, but maybe they should be.

[@Joshua-ev9uw]

@@Z38_US dude that went way over your head didn't it?

[@causethisisthriller2729]

I feel like from now on the guessers should have to write their answers on a dry erase board and then reveal them simultaneously. Also I think we should just do away with the price is right rules and whoever is closest to the price wins that round.

[@rickyperea7861]

💯

[@BayAreaRushHour]

I do agree I want to know their honest thoughts on the price, not the strategy to win the game

[@quentinludet295]

I agree the format should be fixed to avoid cheap tactics. The issue with revealing at the same time is that then they can't discuss their thought process openly. Taking turns with minimum raises might work better.

[@thecianinator]

That would make the game more fair, but their goal isn't to make a fair game, their goal is to make an entertaining video

[@Wet-Milk]

i think whoever is closest should win, or maybe be like "you have to be within 10k on the price to get it right"

[@tommyschooling7221]

This is how this show should go. Having Guest car people deciding as a team with y’all. Great video. Very funny

[@purwantiallan5089]

Me too love this one, Tommy. 👍

[@jrzez]

Glad to see these collabs. You need to do a serious "public service announcement" to the public to stop buying these things throwing money away, and/or a an open letter to manufacturers to stop this. One massive collab with you, TH again, Savage Geese, Cammisa, Pobst, Lago, etc... Call them out. Big time. Call out these manufacturers doing nothing but empty threats and posturing.

[@ammodawg626]

I’m at work watching this and when the RAV4 came up for nearly 100K I yelled “WHAT!?” turns out yelling like that in a cubicle area draws attention. Who knew.

[@ValidAsian]

They need to call out these dealerships and make a mockery of them for being ridiculous. They wonder why people don’t like dealerships…🤔

[@nosteponsnek2617]

Do you know what the "S" in MSRP means?

[@HighlordFrancis]

@@nosteponsnek2617 dealerships are scum and should not exist in the modern world.

[@bizzless2308]

@@nosteponsnek2617 found the dealership crony

[@nosteponsnek2617]

@Rollingstone Yes that is misleading and illegal but selling for over MSRP is not illegal at all if its advertised that way. Clearly these cars in the video are advertised as such so im not sure why you would mention that.

[@nosteponsnek2617]

@@bizzless2308 does your business not adjust prices according to the market conditions? If they dont Im sure they wont be around very long lol but nice take.

[@Rob.N.]

And people wonder why they simply want to buy directly from the manufacturer. Dealerships are crooks.

[@DakotaMambaPrescott244]

We really need more collabs with these guys. They are my two favorite car channels and I need more happiness in my life.

[@TTOS69]

I wish there was like a petition to all major car brands to finally do something about these price gouging A-holes!! I have never needed a car more in my life and of course all this happens when I was ready to get one... it's disgusting and honestly really depressing .. like REALLY depressing!

[@alberthduenas2796]

Good luck with that dealerships have laws protecting them if it was up to companies you could use coupons to buy their cars or recycle your cars

[@Wet-Milk]

unfortunately not much they can do because of laws that protect dealerships

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

Just ride a bike bro or teleport everywhere

[@afiqrizal9949]

@@thanosianthemadtitanic ok thanos

[@keysersoju9823]

Manufacturers should start selling direct without dealerships. People are becoming more and more comfortable with buying vehicles sight unseen.

[@joshjamieson2816]

i was hoping this would never end. my two favourite car channels finally coming together. dreams really do come true

[@dlndavidlife]

Same 😭

[@aceuvclubs]

I bought a full-size Bronco back in Nov. ‘21 for MSRP. Crazy to consider buying at MSRP as lucky.

[@juzoli]

Sell it for profit LOL:)

[@Ultra77737]

@@juzoli there would be no profit he would have to get another car that’s over priced

[@SteakSauceIceCream]

Got my 22 2dr base bronco for MSRP on March 12. I do feel lucky. Waited over a year and a half after I reserved it.

[@zofficial5600]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2fbpaWDordpmas it's finally here

[@sfshilo]

I got my Wildtrak MSRP, they had a BASE model listed for more then mine when I picked it up lol.

[@jessieharbinjr.6589]

A few dealerships are “selling” vehicles to brokers here in Austin Texas, who then resell the vehicle at a steep mark up, in order to avoid any repercussions from the manufacturer. It’s shady AF!

[@makatron]

Yeah that's why nobody cares when a dealership goes under. What you described is just a way to keep their shady mark ups but blaming a third-party.

[@bcc5701]

It reflects in the title though from what I can see. so its not truly a “new” car since the broker isnt a point of origin seller.

[@Joel.Invictus]

Donut Media always puts a smile on my face. Much needed in these crazy times. Love you guys.

[@spartaninvirginia]

Man, these dealer markups are insane. Gotta hope my junky escape survives through this insanity.

[@黒キツネ-九零二一零]

my G35 is on the fritz again too and i pray to jesus that the new nissan z won't have a gallardo price tag when it comes out. the supra didnt, which are one of my choices

[@Mark-vn7et]

But nobody’s complaining when it’s the other way around and try and squize every last dollar out of the dealerships.

[@narlynarwhals27]

@@Mark-vn7et “oh no! someone think of the suits!!”

[@angelgjr1999]

@@Mark-vn7et Lol who cares about them? They’re lying thieves. I vote we get rid of dealerships altogether.

[@fenix4553]

@@Mark-vn7et Let me get out the world's smallest violin and play a sad song for them

[@hatty_hattington.]

I love the energy is this one, having multiple hosts makes it very enjoyable. Keep it up Donut!!

[@ervxpi4728]

You are terrible are reading a room. I'm guessing ur being sarcastic.

[@OviWanKeno9i]

I love these guys. It's honestly my favourite channel, and they also win because they're Canadian. :) :) This was really fun. You guys have similar sense of humour and it feels like it would be fun to hang out with you guys, so it's fun to watch.

[@IAmPdawg]

my two favorite car KZbin channels. I’m in car heaven… and you guys made a legitimately GOOD episode? Lets gooo

[@zofficial5600]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2fbpaWDordpmas it's finally here

[@LisanAlGareeb]

Ikr!!!

[@CamAteUrKFC]

Same I was super hyped bout this.

[@kountstakula232]

Every episode is legitimately good

[@IAmPdawg]

@@kountstakula232 but not every KZbin collab is good

[@TheRealTomSelleck]

“We finally have cool jobs and we still can’t afford cars” I felt that.

[@4thquarter5]

a bicycle would build character .

[@FELIPE8226M]

💯💯💯

[@maximilianzucchini1722]

I work for a dealer that hasn't done anything shady since the auto industry issues, and this is so entertaining to watch. Cannot believe anyone does business with places like these.

[@minimonkeyplay]

I'm looking at the new electric trucks that will be coming out thinking oh I have 60k to drop on a new electric truck but after watching this I don't think that will happen anymore I wish Car manufacturers would just sell direct.

[@AlexM-fq5nb]

Lmao you obviously aren't in sales

[@maximilianzucchini1722]

@@AlexM-fq5nb I am actually lol

[@AlexM-fq5nb]

@@maximilianzucchini1722 lmao then youre a green pea with no friends at other dealers bc I'd be salty af if i was the only one not making hella money 😂🤡

[@hartmanwagner5576]

Local Porsche dealer in Mass has a 2022 911 GT3 manual for sale. The msrp is about 205K and then there is a dealer fee of $120,000, for a grand total of $325,000, basically a 50% markup

[@Droopy578]

The reaction of Jeremiah when he found out the original price the dealer posted the Hummer EV for 🤣🤣🤣

[@Jumbojet776]

Basically the same reaction I had. Absolutely criminal.

[@aldoczavala8540]

Keep calling these dealerships out! Share and reshare on social media. Hope shoppers just walk away and make these dealers rethink

[@daveycash3479]

Mazda dealerships are the only ones not marking up in my area, don’t know if that means they’re hurting for sales, just moving a lot of inventory while also gaining goodwill or if corporate is keeping them in check.

[@MegaAmazing19]

I work for Mazda, it's mostly just the culture within the dealership networks that encourage taking care of the customer from day one. We are one of the smallest manufacturers in the world and cannot afford to swindle the Goodwill of the customer base we've taken decades to cultivate, to make some quick bucks now. We are struggling to sell cars because we are struggling to even get any from overseas. Even then we will not take advantage of the people buying cars now!

[@dontewheeler8843]

I am a Mazda sales representative and we do not believe that is a good business practice for earning your business in the long run. When those people go to trade their vehicles next time and the market goes back down, they will be so upside-down and there will not be a way of getting out of that car.

[@dontewheeler8843]

@@MegaAmazing19 and we are moving a LOT of inventory.

[@MegaAmazing19]

@@dontewheeler8843 I am based in the Pacific Northwest so I'm not sure how it is in your area, but new cars are few and far between this way 😕

[@dontewheeler8843]

@@MegaAmazing19 we are already seeing a trend again of being very low on new cars. Per the meeting this past Friday, we are bound to run out of new inventory in June if this pace keeps up. I'm in the southeast.

[@JJ.ANDERSEN.201]

for those looking for anything Toyota including GR Corolla, the Toyota volume dealer located in El Monte, CA does not have any markups. Yes, including the GR Corolla will NOT have any markup.

[@evangauthier4444]

I find it really interesting that all of the vehicles being sold in the U.S. had insane mark ups, and even though they were used, the ones from the UK and Canada barely had any mark up at all.

[@frcShoryuken]

Used cars should be FAR cheaper than msrp tho

[@jackp8022]

I live in Canada and it's just as bad here, they just found a good one

[@flipnotrab]

Because it’s a fake market price the dealers (new and used) made themselves so that everyone raises their prices.

[@evangauthier4444]

@@jackp8022 I don’t know about all provinces. But I know in some you’re not allowed to sell it above MSRP anymore

[@jackp8022]

@@evangauthier4444 that's not Ontario lmao, one of my friends told me a dealership in my city was trying to sell a bronco for $120k

[@AppleSlipper]

In Australia, the MSRP for the new Suzuki Jimny is supposed to be at AU$20,990 to AU$29,990. But dealers are selling the new Jimny at over AU$40,000 due to high demand and shortages.

[@marlonsolis2272]

Here in my country they sell for $25k

[@Deezy07]

THIS was a great episode. The chemistry between everyone was legit!

[@AB-nv7bz]

The throttlehouse guys are awesome. Probably the best youtube channel for car reviews.

[@emjman]

I don't know what to feel when I watch these, I'm going from guessing crazy numbers, to being dumbfounded at the actual price, to getting sad that they actually cost that much.

[@therealcountrybumpkin]

Build back better my friend!

[@Edemce1]

Let’s go Brandon !

[@metor36]

As a Canadian who loves Throttle House, I hope this collaboration happens again and again!

[@cpudav]

I live in Ontario, Canada....and the city the corvette was in is Brantford not Brandford Brantford, Ontario famous people: Alexander Graham Bell Wayne Gretzky Phil Hartman Wayne Gretzky

[@bluestang9530]

Dealerships have been wack for years. They lobby to have exclusive rights to sales so they can control the prices and make money. Wish they would do away with those laws and sell directly to the people and cut dealerships grubby little mits out of it all together. Dealerships are so predatory it’s unbelievable

[@raidendykes3542]

Check out Fortnine, he has a video about dealerships and their role. It is for motorcycles but i think it also applies to cars. I agree most dealships suck but it seems like they won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.

[@diztunde1791]

Oh I love collaboration content like this from popular KZbinrs. Keep it up.

[@MRpickleYandR]

I've been in the market for a new car and ending up watching multiple throttle house reviews in the process. Really cool to see these guys on the show now!

[@Agent_Missouri]

People get all upset at the dealers for charging these prices but you 100% have to be angry at the people buying them as well. If people weren’t willing to pay for them they wouldn’t sell them. This has always been the case. Supply and demand leads the way. People go nuts on exclusivity and are happy to pay for it. Also I feel really sorry for these people paying these inflated prices because they are going to be stuck with the payment on a vehicle worth a fraction of what they paid when this bubble pops.

[@powertothesheeple5422]

No point getting angry at stupid. If someone is dumb enough to pay 3X sticker price for an exponentially depreciating asset, then I say let them burn their money. Who we all should be mad at is the FED, for printing trillions of dollars we didn't need and causing inflation to rise to the levels not seen since the 70's and 80's.

[@Agent_Missouri]

@@powertothesheeple5422 100% agree with you. It’s insane yes but if people didn’t do it it wouldn’t be happening. Same thing with the housing market. It’s just as outrageous. The bubble is bigger than it’s been in decades and when it pops it’s going to be very VERY rough.

[@NutellaCrepe]

It's the same on the bottom end with labor too. Consumers blindly pay the least amount of money for products even if it means buying from companies who exploit their workers to no end, and some even try to justify not tipping service industry workers when they aren't willing to support ethical businesses that paid fair wages, when their consumers choices drove ethics out of any businesses. This is what happens when people want to take advantage of capitalism for their own gains but want none of the responsibilities on either side. The people that need these cars the most are the ones that need to commute to their exploitative workplaces, while the wealthier work from home folks are comfortably paying the inflated prices for a toy.

[@seafooddiablo5686]

@@Agent_Missouri dont feel bad for those people who pay way too much. Most of the time they only do such stupid things with money cause they have plenty of it so they don't care.

[@powertothesheeple5422]

​@@Agent_Missouri Agreed.... But there will always, always be people wiling to pay whatever price for something - Apple knows this all too well. In this specific instance it has no bearing on me since I will likely never buy a new vehicle due to their instant depreciation. I am willing to bet that EV's will depreciate even more than ICE vehicles since the technology will be ever increasing and batteries degrade with usage regardless of how you maintain them.

[@quentinludet295]

As a recommendation to avoid the whole $1 over tactic, you could require guesses in increments of 2,000 or 5,000 and allow teams to update their guess after the other team guesses. That should remove the unfairness of guessing first while keeping the game open and exciting. Lots of fun to watch, and I'm delighted to see Thomas and James make an appearance! Keep it coming!

[@gypsonny2]

No one cares, there are no prizes, it's just for fun

[@JoseGutierrez-fd4ub]

Or just have them write it down on a whiteboard

[@trulux8395]

Or go by within 20% of the price

[@TheTyisawesome]

What no way dude? That's part of the fun!

[@hyperx72]

Ya, like one dude will guess 20k, another would guess 51k, and the real number was 50500

[@xiiLumiNatex]

Good to see the dealership im working at isnt price gauging customer and selling our lexus cars at msrp.

[@LeVainCasque]

The irony of dealerships, is that they were supposed to be on the consumers side.

[@MrGhoulie]

Since when? Dealerships have always been a shady business. The more wealthy the dealership is, the more they screw over their customers. Look at Audi dealerships. Charging $200 just for a diagnosis of a problem.

[@thesmallenginekid]

All i've heard for the last 2 years is "Dealerships cant get cars" "The lots are empty". But never once did I see an "Empty" dealeship. They have been and continue to be packed with PLENTY of cars.

[@danielwhoI]

most dealerships around here just have lots of used trucks from other brands and maybe "1 car that came in this morning"

[@robertmatthews2009]

Right! They're hiding all the cars around the back.

[@VaunShiz]

Naw there's a few dealers by me that have more used cars then new ones on their lots

[@patriciomunoz2830]

True, in my country there was so much demand that they had to use a port in the south to unload cars since the normally used were collapased, the shortage is fake news

[@MCHellshit]

My local Honda dealer literally has an empty showroom

[@mvanalst2003]

I love Donut and Throttle House! This was an AMAZING one!

[@jftg1958]

Loved Jerry’s face at the end, but in all seriousness, it’s insane how the dealerships are charging so much for a car, and you can even see how insane it is compared to the corvette sold in canada and the yaris in the UK

[@KidKingdomHearts]

The corvette one got me. I was sure that was over 100k USD because the ones I looked at in 2021 were 30k miles and over 75k 😭 for a damn stingray. Not even a Grand Sport

[@austinshevlin9732]

I’m loving these collaboration videos!

[@aquastu]

So glad to see you guys team up with throttle house. My two favorite car channels!!!

[@jondurrett9277]

It's nice to see car manufacturers cracking down on price gouging at dealerships. Unfortunately, it only affects the new inventory and not the used inventory. Dealerships are marking up used cars just as bad if not worse.

[@skycaptain95]

Manufacturers don't care about used cars. The only benefit of used cars for them is brand loyalty.

[@altchannel4comments460]

0:43 Finally! ive always wanted a live performance of my favorite song pop up headlights

[@Kingspeed422]

This was just an absolutely awesome episode! I love the different perspectives and these are obviously some of my favorite KZbinrs!!!!

[@GBBangin]

"Technically we all lose. No one wins here. I told you. You're gonna walk away being like that was terrible." Absolute facts and real pain in this economy lmaoooo

[@TonyTheTruckGuy]

That's just nuts. Gotta combat these crazy prices by not paying it!

[@DickGazInYa]

Same. I was in the market for a new car and I just said F it. I'm all for paying a fair price, but I'm not paying almost double simply because the dealers are greedy pricks. It sucks for the manufactures however, because I'm now out of the market thanks to the price gouging. I wish you could walk into the manufacture and purchase direct from them.

[@TonyTheTruckGuy]

@@DickGazInYa Luckily there’s a few decent dealers out there still. MSRP on my Jeep in November was like 45k and a bunch of dealers had them at 43k. The one I got mine from sold me mine for 39k but yeah I got lucky lol.

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

@@TonyTheTruckGuy Does it come with leather seats and a v8? Lol

[@TonyTheTruckGuy]

@@kensmechanicalaffair Mine’s just V6 with suede/leather combo seats. Not a fan of leather unless they’re heated AND cooled lol. Also came from a hemi Ram so I wanted a bit better mpg.

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

@@TonyTheTruckGuy I see.

[@farishanafiah8461]

5:45 I did a checked about that particular RAV4. 0-60 in 5.5 seconds for a mid-size hybrid SUV is impressive.

[@refreshing_ac6371]

Loved the collab! Jeremiah is UNSTOPPABLE at these price guessing and car finding games 😂😂😂

[@ericclayton8160]

I Love that you guys continue to cover this serious issue we as car buyers are facing. Thanks for fighting the good fight and please continue to cover this topic until the market changes.

[@nosteponsnek2617]

It isnt the "good fight" its supply and demand, why not demand the manufactures just make more cars to level out supply? If you want dealers to sell at no markup when there is no inventory, youll have the same situation you have with PS5's and Graphics cards. Scalpers/Investors buying all the cars then reselling them at insane prices themselves. It sucks but this is what happens when you shut down the economy and production for a year.

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

Seems more and more that a "afforable" eletric car is just a myth of legends.

[@CaptainCJ97]

Honestly

[@AnthemAnimation]

only electric car brands that don't use dealerships

[@noatycrypto2955]

Oh my God. I gotta get rich and afford these. Haha

[@noatycrypto2955]

‘’Courage taught me no matter how bad a crisis gets ... any sound investment will eventually pay off." - Carlos Slim Helu

[@sofialina3293]

@Richard Perkins Sounds like plan, how do you put money to work?

[@sofialina3293]

@Richard Perkins Thanks for replying me, I've heard so many people talk about investment but none had said how to do it right.

[@sofialina3293]

@Richard Perkins Am hoping on you can explain more on how you make extra income from investments

[@sofialina3293]

@Richard Perkins This is awesome. Please can you be of an assistance to me, how could I get to you(contact you) or how you execute your investments?

[@liamforeman5885]

Imagine paying $94,000 for a Rav4 lol

[@bindingcurve]

50K for a Rav4 is stupid

[@EngiNetion]

and 285k for a GM product.

[@dalaanibombina8822]

Right?? I didn’t even pay that much for my AMG right off the boat.

[@angelgjr1999]

Just buy a 4Runner, we paid “only” 50k for ours.

[@TheSuperBoyProject]

I don't have to imagine

[@BenB741]

Worst part about the maverick is people get them with the intent to sell them 10k above msrp while people who have had them ordered for over a year and plan on actually keeping them haven’t heard a thing on their orders.

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

Seems like a stupid plan to earn only $10,000 if you're lucky, before the government taxes you on sales tax. Not worthwhile.

[@PrydeWater901]

Saw this collaboration coming a mile away. The Throttle House guys have been in California too much lately not to do it. This channel, Throttle House, and Hoonigan are the car guy trifecta. BTW, Pumphrey, it’s pronounced, “AND I’m James.”

[@matteidens62]

Ladies and gentlemen if you’re looking for a new car don’t even bother going straight to the manufacturer. CarMax and Carvana in my opinion are the best ways of getting a new car. I went to 3 different Toyota dealerships in my area in regards to trading in my 2017 Corolla and getting a 2021 Camry. The highest trade-in that they offered me was 11,700. CarMax offered me 16,500. Almost $5,000 MORE than what Toyota had to offer

[@gamingsoup563]

There’s no one on this planet that has 300k to spend on a car and says “yeah imma buy a hummer”. You could literally get a super car for the same price.

[@jml9550]

He or she can while buying another 2 exotics. These buyers are not everyday Joe.

[@Acelife7]

Best episode yet, these two collabing is hilarious. I hope this is done again.

[@deanpapadopoulos3314]

I agree with you. It’s shameless, bold-faced greed. And the dealerships act as if they’re ENTITLED to that kind of money for the cars. When I point out that my older cars have better materials and design and gas-mileage, they have no response. So, a worse car with a higher sticker-price…this is opposite of value when I get more and pay less than what it’s worth. Conclusion: I’m holding on to my cars, treating them as my last cars for this lifetime, and investing the money in myself through vacations and with dinners and in stocks of company that return more dollars to me for the ones I send them. In other words, I won’t reward a slithering, slimy, greedy person. They’ll have to wait for a fool to do this. And , news flash: the reason the prices are so high is that are enough fools who will pay that price.

[@jamesdonoghue7967]

It's a very emotional issue. Dealership greed is subjective. What is anything really worth? As much as someone is willing to pay for it. When the supply curve meets the demand curve - THAT'S the price. It sucks but if nitwits are willing to pay for it the dealership has no incentive to lower price

[@frankienoel9937]

this collab makes me so happy

[@J-Rezz]

I love this collab. I would really like to see more of these two working channels working together.

[@JSwatchesthings]

We need hardcore regulation to stop this from happening. Heavy penalties wouldn't hurt as well.

[@firstlast7584]

Free Market Baby 👏🏼👏🏼

[@oprahwinfrey878]

Yeah the Soviet Union regulated everything in their market and look what happened to their system in 1991 😂

[@BabyJesus66]

Get out of here, Biden!

[@BradyRaider2011]

@@firstlast7584 but it's not a free market. Dealerships have some of the most effective lobby groups. They want to involve the government and kick out OEM dealers such as Tesla? Then we need to go to the government and create regulations.

[@br8745]

Won't change anything. Only difference is instead of stuff being expensive from the dealer, it will be bought up and immediately resold.

[@lowgrs1]

watching my two favorite KZbin car show personalities together was a gift. You guys' rock

[@paulm3079]

“It’s still a rav4” Best engineered, most reliable vehicle on the planet My ‘99 is just getting broken in at 200k. Did the belt and pump about 2,000 miles ago. Fantastic machines

[@wontonii232]

I love that the guys are finally actually playing the price is right rules strategically! But it does demonstrate the flaw in the ruleset that the game essentially becomes guessing if the price is simply higher or lower than the previous guess. I propose that you guys should add a rule where if the guesser comes within a certain range of the correct answer (say $5,000), then they get a bonus point! That will encourage the contestants to try to guess close to the actual price still.

[@yooyo8303]

What problem would just not doing the price is right rules create?

[@wontonii232]

@@yooyo8303 I guess that's another option too! Idk I'm just kinda biased towards liking the price is right rules 😅

[@atw9913]

Why not just have them write the guess down and not share it before it is revealed? Completely eliminates the bid $1 more thing.

[@frcShoryuken]

@@atw9913 That's what I was gonna say. Make it like final Jeopardy and problem solved

[@llamaeatingpie]

What if I told you the whole game was guessing, and none of it mattered?

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

Sooner or later, dealerships will be a thing of the past... At least, they will be as we think of them. Many manufacturers are doing the "price guarantee" sales model, especially here in Australia and that matters for the big markets. Just like McDonalds trial run their global business models here, such as McCafe, the car companies are doing the same thing with the intention of rolling it out once the bugs are ironed out of their fixed price sales models. Sounds like a good idea while the dealers are having a field day now... But when things go back to more normal conditions, we'll lose our ability to negotiate with the local business owner and eventually that money is going straight to the top of the corporate structure. If you think the dealers are taking advantage of the American people, at least that money stays in the town where the vehicle was sold, to a degree. When the negotiation is removed, that's going straight to the corporate HQ.

[@derekspringer6448]

Coming from Australia, will the "bugs" REALLY ever be ironed out? ....Or will we be finding little insects trying to kill us for the next dozen decades?

[@DaveCM]

Well, maybe. Currently here in the US, some states have laws that require established brick and morter dealerships in order to sell cars. Here in NC, the Automotive Dealers Association sued to keep Tesla from selling cars online in the state. That is why there are Tesla stores here in NC. As long as dealership owners pressure politicians to manipulate the laws to help them, it isn't going to change everywhere

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

@@derekspringer6448 Don't worry about that, nothing is coming from here... We don't make anything new anymore. They're just trialling it on our relatively small, wealthy and (very) stupid population. Like the COVID response... A dream test population for any would be tyrant, you couldn't get away with it anywhere else other than New Zealand. I love this country, but hate most of the people in it.

[@ronburgundy4375]

While we would like to see that everywhere and the stealership monopolies can go away were all more so hoping you get rid of your nonsense over there.

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

@@DaveCM Well I honestly hope so brother... Don't give up your guns or your car dealerships whatever you do. Learn from our mistakes. God bless America 🇺🇸

[@IssaqAl-Ahmed]

Dealerships are the single worst part of vehicle ownership. There is literally nothing more off-putting from the whole experience than them.

[@jml9550]

Well it depends on the situation. With the current chip shortage and COVID overseas, things are crazy. When things get back to normal in let say 2024, price will come down as inventory will increase. Manufacturers wants to build cars in volume to get economy of scale and keep the factory running 24/7.

[@OklahomaWildman94]

The whole dollar over thing hurt the video. Should have written it on a white board so the other team doesn’t know the guess.

[@ChiefOfProtocol_ZW]

I love the collabs you guys are doing. Those dealer mark ups are wildin!

[@D-Rockk]

I friggin' love these price guess games with James and Jeremiah!

[@TurdFergusson318]

$100,000 for a RAV4. My first car in high school was a 2001 RAV4 and I remember the MSRP sticker on it was $17,000 or something like that

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

Inflation and the intentional globalist devaluation of the U$D over ~20ish years I assume.

[@EzraEel05]

I’m subscribed to both of these channels and never miss a video from both of them.