Card Counting Backoff: Behind the Scenes

[@uwillnevahno6837]

Casinos: You can play at our tables as long as you don't use your brain.

[@sleddy01]

this is exactly what i was going to say. are you not supposed to think during a game?

[@Themeparknerd1993]

You can’t be good at a game?? Then don’t offer it. The casinos are big babies. Most people can’t even count cards anyway. It’s just a loss they need to be willing to take. Not like they aren’t making millions every day.

[@richj1134]

You can only play if you lose. Don’t want winners to play. Counting is perfectly legal by the way.

[@miha-z]

Yes!!!! Thank you

[@austinparsons3326]

@@richj1134 but so is telling you that you can’t play at their tables ? The casino only like odds that favor them so if the odds are starting to even out or favor the player why would they wanna lose more money on you lol if you ran a casino you’d do the same thing

[@CorporalCack]

That was one of the more respectful backoffs I've seen

[@chriskurtz8744]

They were being filmed, wonder how much influence that had on it.

[@That..Guy..]

I work in surveillance. It’s not as big of an ordeal as you would expect.

[@tommarsden661]

@@chriskurtz8744probably very little. Casino staff are always being filmed.

[@chriskurtz8744]

@@tommarsden661 Have you seen some of the documentaries and times Colin has discussed what's happened to him? They can get very intimidating with people and detain them illegally. Inside edge great footage of this. Being filmed all the time, but by their own security.

[@tommarsden661]

@@chriskurtz8744 don’t care who is filming the police and gaming have access to everything already. Someone else filming shouldn’t change how you act. If it does they should reevaluate how they deal with situations. But yes I’ve seen a lot of videos of them acting inappropriately.

[@kevwwong]

I know enough about card counting to know that personally, I can't do it unless I dedicate myself full time to perfecting it. Mad respect to those that can and do count.

[@mattm7798]

Right! The margins are so slim you have to be very well practiced and disciplined

[@johnotoole5786]

It's not hard it's a plus minus system ur not actually counting kings queens 2 3s

[@lostconciousness4255]

@@johnotoole5786 the concept is easy. The memorizing correct moves, strategies and mingling with other players are necessary and only come with tons of practice.

[@skilldeadly8888]

​@@johnotoole5786counting in a controlled environment is easy. Doing it quickly, keeping the count, basic strategy, deviations, high low betting, trying to keep focused, dealer errors. Way more than just count.

[@carsonmorton4710]

If it’s just you and dealer it’s actually pretty easy. The difficulty for me comes from doing it at a full table. It gets confusing real fast.

[@rreznor660]

It’s strategy, not cheating.

[@Themeparknerd1993]

Agree 💯. If people can count cards that is the casinos loss not the players.

[@dwoodard5717]

​@@Themeparknerd1993right? The casinos act like just anyone can count cards and it's not extremely hard to keep the count. They have so many advantages against the player, they can't stand when the player has an advantage over them

[@jeffmccullough7341]

@@mikehoule8674you really going to defend the fucking casinos?

[@rapid13]

Sure, and they’re private entities who can decide at any time that they don’t want you there.

[@austinparsons3326]

I agree, but it’s also up to the casino or business whether they wanna let you play at their tables or not.

[@ride1123]

This manager deserves a handshake for being such a respectful reasonable guy.

[@petergianakopoulos4926]

He's on tape!

[@DavidRomero-vj4ld]

He had to be because honestly I don't think he's as smart as he makes himself out to be-in other words "he's not as smart as professional card counters." He knows about card counting and what it is, but he doesn't have that skill set.

[@sleddy01]

@@DavidRomero-vj4ld the skill set to count?

[@bufordhighwater9872]

No he doesn't. All he did was his job in a professional manner. You know, what he gets paid to do.

[@chuckecheese4124]

One of the best surveillance breakdowns of improper training and procedures some casinos make to back off a card counter. Great stuff here! Thank you, Colin and staff.

[@BuceGar]

Very professional asset manager, he did a great job on both spotting and handling the situation. That casino is lucky to have him.

[@robshepherd7093]

Yes indeed. Imagine a whole team in one table. They all be backed off, one at a time!!

[@andrew2393]

BJA is right about card counting. I use to think you'd get backed off immediatetly but the truth is most casinos are clueless or have a misconception of it. Also, get this, if you do deviations ESPECIALLY negative deviations such as hitting a 12 v 4, they won't suspect you of card counting because they'll think you're an idiot.

[@tommarsden661]

Most casinos are going to look at deviations before backing someone off and should be looking at positive and negative counts before making a decision. Backing someone off who has no edge is -EV for the casino.

[@jkpiipickard]

Amazing access!! Can't believe they let you film all this...

[@tobyfitzpatrick3914]

Sign at a Blackjack table: _"NO THINKING ALLOWED"_

[@mattm7798]

Haha right! It's not enough that 90+% of the floorspace is slot machines, where there is barely any strategy, they have to monitor the blackjack table for card counting, where a talented person can actually improve their odds.

[@awkward0wl10]

How old is this footage? I used to work casino surveillance and our nearly obsolete gear looked to be about 30 years ahead of what's shown in the footage. Additionally, the errors on behalf of the casino that you highlighted are still rampant across the industry. To my surprise when joining the department, they used a very data driven and (to my knowledge, based on your content) accurate approach to handling card counters. Half the department still didn't really understand card counting, but our approach enabled the right people to always be the ones making determinations on card counters. Appreciate the content, this video made me grateful for the equipment that I used to complain about 😂

[@alanmccormick6911]

At 4:02 in the video the timestamp on the TV appears to be 2008.

[@aaronortwein9932]

We got our limits raised in 2008 to $300 so either beginning of 08 or post 2006. This was PJ Pockets casino. I worked there lols

[@awkward0wl10]

Thanks 😊

[@chuckecheese4124]

That's cool you guys know a little about surveillance, and worked in the industry. This footage was made way back, it is a clip in the Holly Rollers documentary about the card counting Church Team they put together. They extracted over 3.8 million from casinos. They did very well. Love this stuff!

[@robshepherd7093]

17 years old. Technology has much improved now!

[@jackjack8390]

I hope casinos see this video and learn something about being nice to all "players". Even the ones that have an advantage. No need to call the cops. Seriously.

[@BuceGar]

I think this asset manager did a great job.

[@Hossyboy420]

This footage is pretty amazing honestly

[@growthandunderstanding]

Brilliant job getting cameras inside during the play of one of your team members! Outstanding video!

[@RazorsCraft]

Great content! Suggestion for a video: stop gain and stop loss by session in card counting, showing the effects it has on each session and overall results.

[@stephenkearny1504]

Brilliant video. Though here across the pond I hear that certain surveillance crews watch these BJ Apprenticeship videos and learn how to pick off counters. Makes it more challenging to say the least.

[@chuckecheese4124]

That's why counters have to be even sharper

[@fljetgator1833]

Great video Colin! There should never be backoffs unless someone is drunk, obnoxious, abusive or combative. 😎🐊

[@chuckzamzow]

This is one of the most interesting videos Collin has posted to KZbin.

[@GRice999]

The security guy did have a good method for gauging whether the player might be counting, and he doesn't need an accurate count to do so. By keeping track of the change in count, and comparing that to any changes in bet size, he can get an idea. For example, it the count gets better for the player and the player lowers his bet, that's contrary with the strategy of a card counter. Conversely, if the count gets worse for the player and the players increased his bet size, that's also contrary to the strategy of a card counter. Either of those things happening and it's a good bet the player isn't counting cards. It won't tell security that a player is definitely counting, but it could eliminate the possibility.

[@BuceGar]

Agree 100%. BJA seems to be implying that if you don't know the EXACT count you can't accurately tell if someone is counting cards, this is clearly not true, and the asset manager even allowed the player to continue to play into a new shoe to determine the exact count just to verify his initial assessment. While I don't think casinos should be allowed to bar or stop players from playing these games at their discretion, I think this manager did a great job.

[@Chance-ry1hq]

Card counters aren’t a threat to the game, they are a threat to the casino.

[@Chance-ry1hq]

@Hit-Me_BlackjackApprenticeship Gee thanks. YIPPEE!!!!

[@ZaraPhyte]

@@Chance-ry1hq u got scammed lol

[@junito1008]

Casino: You can play at our tables as long as you’re losing !! 🤨

[@shanecrump7932]

“He’s trying to be discreet”. As dude is intentionally trying to get backed off 😂😂😂

[@michaelbraun6504]

"I commend his professionalism in how he conducted the backoff knowing that cameras were on him."

[@scottk1298]

he was probably professional because he knew he was recorded for that doc.

[@Blackjackapprenticeship]

Haha. Could be!

[@Lorric101]

@@Blackjackapprenticeship Maybe. But maybe he's comfortable with being on tape because that's normal behaviour for him. He could have been like the other 98% of casinos and not allow it. You'd think being on camera would smarten you up, but you get cops being abusive with a camera on their body filming it all. If I wasn't running a tight ship I wouldn't want people with cameras filming my business.

[@JackpotHits]

What’s your Thoughts on a new counter that knows how to count good and can keep the running count but hasent quite mastered basic strategy since most casinos allow you to have the chart at the table with you is that a red flag? Or What’s your thoughts on that?

[@Blackjackapprenticeship]

We recommend perfect basic strategy 100% of the time before you start counting live games. There is too much to keep up with to be checking sheets at the table and the edge is too small to chance mistakes.

[@JackpotHits]

@@Blackjackapprenticeship sounds good! Appreciate the reply and keep up the great content!

[@undetected2088]

Casinos spent their entire existence as a concept, raising their odds and coming up with every possible way in the world to insure that their “customers” not only lost virtually 100% of the time but that each single one of them was “allowed” to loose as much as they determined that person capable of loosing… Now, you go in there trying to count cards and they call the FBI on your ass

[@kilex952]

babe wake up, BJA just uploaded

[@tylerschroeder3722]

SUS

[@GrandFunker]

I really dig that the casino security is into the counting and knows the game 😂

[@kevwwong]

I think his understanding of counting - even though it wasn't perfect - led to the professional and respectful backoff.

[@RichardsWorld]

Suggested to the other Blackjack youtuber to acquire chips before getting serious about starting your session. Get some chips at a craps or roulette table . Get friends to get some chips from anywhere in the casino. Get some chips at blackjack, play a few hands and go have lunch, or go to other casinos and collect chips. If you have a team they can be in town acquiring chips before you arrive. Stepping up to a table and buying in for a lot of chips is a big red flag.

[@tommarsden661]

Coming to the table with a bunch of chips and no play is a far bigger red flag

[@casproductions6015]

What makes barona more smart or resourceful when deciding who’s an advantage player? I used to play there before learning to count and wanna make a trip back there now

[@Unh0lySpectre]

They consult with Max Rubin, a very experienced former AP, who takes training the Barona pit and surveillance crew very seriously. From what I understand, all Barona pit bosses and surveillance crew are adept card counters, i.e. understand the difference between true count and running count, understand deviations, and and know how to identify skilled APs.

[@grifter84]

@@Unh0lySpectre And because the Barona personnel have put in the work to learn the craft and been trained by someone from the other side of the table, their back-offs are respectful and non-confrontational.

[@alexmacdonald9182]

@@Unh0lySpectre barona was my first backoff after i took $3,600 from them in a month over about 9-10 sessions averaging 4 hours a session

[@duchuy22222]

The casino had all the right do the calculation to win the player money but the player can not do that. That is one way business

[@oldmanstyl3]

This is great footage.

[@alecorr1583]

Isnt another sign of a counter always jumping in at the beginning of a shoe?

[@reichen8511]

Wonging players behave the exact opposite

[@bruce4139]

Hey colin, learning to AP and noticed with my counting that I seem to struggle with getting the correct count when there are more hands on the table. I think its because there are more changes in the count is this something you experienced before or do you think it would be something else?

[@GenXisT]

Of course there are more changes because there are more cards being played. this is BASIC counting. If you are struggling because there are changes in the count, which happens every single card being dealt, then you have no business playing at a casino and you desperately need more practice unless you want to lose all of your money.

[@bruce4139]

@@GenXisT yeah I havent walked onto a casino yet, however the thing is when I play 1 hand I can play it as fast as I do BS without counting but when I play 7 hands I actually have to pause the game to count them up

[@GenXisT]

@@bruce4139 - I see. Well fortunately, most casinos only have 6 spots. But even still, you could be playing heads up and using 1-3 spots or be playing with only one other person. But if you get a really fast dealer, you're going to run into the same issue, even if playing 1-on-1. I would highly suggest you keep practicing or maybe even go into the casino and do some live "back counting" (where you stand behind or next to the table and just count the cards while not playing.) The WORST thing you can do is lose the count. You can go off by 1, at most 2 cards. But any more then you're going to be making the wrong play, especially if you're also using the deviations.

[@RaidenMC12]

Learn to start cancelling out cards by glancing at them... Know +1/0/-1 and judge if you even need to count the hand when you glance at it... If the hand equals 0, no need to tax your brain by looking at it more

[@bruce4139]

@@RaidenMC12 yeah I've been doing that, my biggest problem seems to be negative counts and counts that flop around 0 I've also been working on finding hands that cancel eachother so if I have K,Q on one hand and 3,5 on the other I ignore all 4 of those

[@shanecrump7932]

This is why I don’t go to casinos. If you figure out a way to beat them, it’s automatically cheating. I know tons of people have big win stories but the house always wins. They make sure of it.

[@marcludwick512]

I'm more impressed with all those CRT's in that room!

[@bradlyballock3052]

Colin love the videos. Still working my way through training. They keep me modivated.

[@user-wq7jj9zr9r]

So the casino knows the count but the customer can be banned for knowing the count?

[@tmzz3609]

The casino doesn't even track the count. It doesn't matter. The dealer hits until 17. There is no decision for them. Surveillance may "count" just to confirm you are counting cards but that doesn't matter. If you start increasing bets they will think you are counting. At that point they will most likely back you off. If you counted cards and didn't increase your bets during high counts the casino would never ask you to leave. Increasing your bets systematically during high counts is really what gives you an advantage over the casino long term. You may only get a high count for 10% of the time you play a table but if you increase your bets by only 10x on those 10% high count hands, you will actually bet more money on those 10% hands than on the entire table play. This means if you play for 10 hours straight the majority of your total bets will take place in one single hours time. This is why card counting only really works on a team. You need to increase bets at least 10x during high counts but doing so will almost guarantee a pit boss visit or surveillance monitoring. If spotters only bet the minimum and signal to the "big player" who bounces between tables based on the highest count. There is zero bet deviation and it requires the casino to actually go looking for counting and teams instead of the dead give away that is bet spread. Tldr: casinos don't care if you count cards. They care if you count cards and increase your bets during high counts. You will never find a casino that will back you off from black jack from playing the table minimum even if you count cards....... The catch is that playing the minimum and counting cards still slightly favors the casino long term unless you get some lucky high counts decks over and over. A theoretically perfect results in a count of ZER0. You can count cards till the end of time but unless you get a deck with more high cards on top you will always be playing with a slight dealer advantage. Black jack is only profitable long-term if the VAST majority of your total bets are played on the 10% of time you get a high count.

[@mattmorris4016]

Awesome show!

[@peanut8269]

Love the back off footage! I’m just curious if you’ve ever been so focused on the count that you say it out loud? Lol

[@someguy-k2h]

Casinos aren't offering a game to you, they are offering to take your money. They get very offended when it goes the other way.

[@hieronimusrexx9203]

It's relatively easy to keep a basic count. This manager was reasobnable about it all because the player didn't really do much outside a basic strategy.

[@RobertLipson-yu6kl]

Can Baccarat be beaten by a skilled card counter with ideal conditions? Has it ever been done/attempted?

[@DrSchor]

it is attempted every day, what were you thinking?

[@michaelblankenau6598]

@@DrSchorno . There is no way to beat Baccarat counting cards .

[@brianl2607]

pretty sure i can single handedly point out that my mistake that got me banned at FL casinos: hitting a 12 against a 14 on a super low count and winning the hand... 15 minutes later got a tap on my shoulder

[@chuckecheese4124]

Their surveillance was sharp! TC -0 hit 14v's4 proper play

[@dkoch2]

I wouldn't have the mental capacity to card count, I'd be too obvious. I would be so eagle-eyed on the deck, not talk to anyone etc.

[@kylejohnston2120]

Sixteen years in this business and every backoff I have witnessed or been a part of has been like this. It’s not that big of a deal. The counters know why they are being backed off and it always has gone smoothly.

[@martinlaursen7972]

Interesting video. Thanks for sharing the4 insight.

[@sdrahcir5054]

Damn where’s the rest of the footage from the security room and following this dude around? Wouldn’t mind seeing more of this…💯

[@majorleagueblackjack27]

What would be the deviation of not taking insurance when the count is eight on a double deck?

[@Blackjackapprenticeship]

Insurance deviation for DD is True 2.5 (and above) so if you have a running +8 at any time on the DD you would take insurance.

[@itsERUD]

this was awesome

[@ar3g0n810]

Nice video! It is nice to see what is happening in the backroom. I am however not sure if I agree with your bankroll management argument. You seem to suggest that they don't need to backoff counters that use invalid bankroll management. The fact that the counter doesnt have enough bankroll to sustain his betting strategy doesnt mean that he is placing +EV bets, resulting in costing the casino money. Furthermore, how would you know how deep the pockets of the counter are?

[@tommarsden661]

Only way is usually if they don’t bet enough relative to the count or don’t double or split when they should.

[@mikaokamoto125]

What casino was this? I saw you flashed barona's website

[@aaronortwein9932]

PJ Pockets in Federal Way Washington

[@jessewright8556]

Any counters in the central missouri area?

[@DrSchor]

yes

[@michaelblankenau6598]

No . Too many hillbillies.

[@billzbounce]

😮...Wow. Respect to the footage, Collin.

[@william-uc2oy]

I’m not a card player but I agree the manager was really polite and professional. Anyone offended by his actions would be a pretty lousy person.

[@joef.2908]

If you're that good at the game why is it not allowed? This is one of many reasons I don't do casinos.

[@oskarskalski2982]

Because then casino loses, that's a simple as that:).

[@ClanDude]

card counting is a skill

[@walterb2531]

Not a blackjack player here, but I would have thought card counting is just part of the game. In other card games I have played (not in a casino) you improve your chances by intelligently keeping track of what cards have been played.

[@davidmerriott7356]

I wouldnt be bothered by getting caught by that guy. Super easy going and not threatening. Makes it easy for the counter to back off.

[@pugmalley]

So it is ok for the casino to count cards but not the player? Can't forget that the casino is also using technology to count cards as well.

[@DrSchor]

yes, it is ok

[@jerome-oh9nh]

Yea it is moron it is thier casino they make the rules dont like it dont go there or better yet open ur pwn casino and allow counting.

[@caseylocke4474]

The date on the security monitor is 06/27/08. Is that correct??

[@barney69474]

Card counters are easy to spot out. We get an alert that a table's deviation is abnormal and we must go to the table and review play. If we suspect them, they will be backed off and added into facial recognition (you would be shocked at how good this technology is). FR is picking up 20 year old photos of people coming in

[@AveryBlueRemix]

What do you recommend?

[@guibox3]

LOL! These guys had no idea that you were all card counters getting some valuable information. Even though they still got you, you still screwed them in another way. Ha ha!

[@briankleinschmidt3664]

If they don't like card counting, they shouldn't offer the game. Counting the cards is a skill that can be learned. It is used for more than just Blackjack.

[@jerome-oh9nh]

How about u open a casino and allow people to card count on blackjack if you dont like it. You wont be open long.

[@chriskurtz8744]

Colin, do you know how much he won or lost during this time? How long did he play?

[@weedsterman]

GREAT video! Thanks for creating it.

[@RickNorthwest]

How much did you enjoy sweeping those chess pieces off the board? 😂

[@Ridehighfxdb]

“We can take your money but we kick you out if you win”

[@tobedetermined4180]

I imagined they had better equipment, it looks like they bought it thirty years ago at Radio Shack

[@Strenkoo]

Important takeaway for me is that casinos might base a lot of their opinion on your first day, so if you really want to keep a specific casino at low heat for some reason, it could be good to not play very card countery on your first day.

[@brianmccormick8328]

That guy's using his brain to try to win a game in which we set the rules. Get him outta here!!

[@Joe-id2ns]

Casinos use numbers to take everyone’s $ but when someone else does it back to them it’s a problem. The gamblers do it in their head not with groups of statisticians,pro gamblers and computers. Should be illegal for casinos to do this. Just put limits on how much everyone including casinos can make in a game.

[@gparyani]

Something tells me that the backoff ended up being more professional only because he knew he was being filmed (for a documentary on casinos) and it would have been less so had he not been filmed.

[@Billionaireben]

Really cool to see a surveillance room, very rare; I heard it's state law that nobody see it and even employees don't know who works there as they're plain clothes and go in without being observed. The mgr keeps mentioning count, if it's a single deck game then the count is the true count; otherwise divide count by remaining decks (though a single deck could be more than the count as it's a fraction of a deck that's left but that might lead to over betting.)

[@johnotoole5786]

Single deck is not easier cuz the shuffle more frequent read the book

[@sincitycapital]

That must have been a small hole in the wall casino. It looks like they made a surveillance room out of a closet! Card counters can't make it here medium or long term. There are a ton of them that are always trying though. Colluding with a dealer in a hole carding scam is your best bet and hole carding in general. We put known hole carders in our facial recognition system and we have been alerted and watched them stake out our games. By the way if we run a BJ Survey on you it checks for basic strategy, deviations, ace tracking, shuffle tracking, and counting of course. Most off the strip casinos don't have it because the licensing is very expensive.

[@vambo13257]

Threat to the game??? What they mean is, "not a loser"

[@kjm2989]

Yeah hes an advantage player

[@shyman9023]

Can you tell the casino to back yourself off if you are losing to much money?

[@nails6365]

Great video, I would stick up for the casino manager here - correct, it's not his money, but he's paid to keep the casino profits in place at all times.

[@dnalgedi6709]

does card counting works with casinos with 'snail' machine?

[@IamVR23]

So it’s ok for me to lose all my money. But the moment I win, they have a problem. What an evil industry.

[@BIntheknow]

Another gem Colin. I just had a lengthy conversation on the topic.

[@cosplaytimecapsule]

AMAZING

[@twostate7822]

I was in Vegas years ago with some friends and 3 of them were playing Blackjack at a table. A woman who was being bankrolled for this trip by a wealthy "admirer" who was playing for fairly big stakes, and 2 guys who were playing closer to the table minimum. Not only wasn't the woman a card counter, but she was an absolutely terrible player who made all sorts of questionable plays. Somehow against all odds, she got on a roll and got up quite a lot. And then some casino suits came over and banned her. If they had waited another hour, I'm sure she would have lost all her winnings and then some.

[@eklypse13]

card counting is just being good at the game.

[@BreakifyTV]

I've always wondered why a casino, with all its infinite money, still rocks those CRT monitors like it's 1995. Did they blow the budget on free drinks instead of upgrading to LEDs? 😂

[@truepain]

Loved the video Collin

[@3Brothers1904]

Great Great video. Thanks for putting this on KZbin!

[@SkellyHell]

Is it common for casinos with all their money to use old crt displays for their surveillance rooms? Seem like you will lose definition that could help you spot things

[@jcdiaz4062]

Not trying to say I’m the greatest BJ player but last week I went to Golden coast casino. Bought in for 300 and I got up to 1,200 in 8 hours. (I cannot card count but I have decent basic strategy) they floorman changed the deck 5 times in that 8 our span and kept changing the dealers constantly.

[@Jim_maco]

Very professional back off. If you think its ok to back off a player for understanding the game.

[@chuckzamzow]

I would love to see other cutting floor footage from Holy Rollers.

[@frankbramich3313]

Amazing a player doing math and not allowed to play anymore M

[@jenkinsljenkinssquire9137]

"threat", what a joke. Card counting doesn't even mean you win, you just enhance the advantage.

[@neutrino1543]

What matters is not that a threat exists, but rather that a threat is perceived.

[@Blackmongold]

casinos count anyone winning as card counter and try not to pay out bunch of scammers.

[@therealdarkknight480]

Bro that video boss gots me mad cause the way that guy was betting could of deadass been random

[@deek3048]

It should be illegal to eject players based on their winnings!

[@jerome-oh9nh]

Ur welcome to open up ur own casino and allow players to win and win and win. You wont be open long. Card counters ruin the casino for people who just want to go to the casino and have fun i.e everyone else.

[@deek3048]

@@jerome-oh9nh Casino winnings are millions a day, card counters don't even make a million in a month!!!

[@reubenahn8020]

The soft 19 double vs the five that they were scoffing at was probably the correct deviation lmao. Im assuming it was a positive true count for the guy to go three spots like that and u double soft 19 versus a 5 at a true 1.

[@brucea9871]

I have an idea of what blackjack is about. The idea is to get a total card count closest to 21 without going over 21. But I have no idea how the betting works. Nor do I understand what you mean by card counting. What does it mean, and why is it considered cheating?

[@johnotoole5786]

It's a plus minus system the more 2 to 6 cards dealt leads to plus ten thru ace leads to minus 789 negated if more lower cards dealt leading to plus deck like when it gets into the teens then much higher probability dealer is to bust. U have to learn basic strategy first

[@brucea9871]

@johnotoole5786 When I read your response I felt the same way as I did in the past when I read a column on bridge (the card game) in a local newspaper. I didn't understand a word of what you wrote. But don't bother trying to explain again. It would take too long to explain it to someone like me who knows little about card games.

[@bradlyballock3052]

Can you say the name of the casino?

[@Blackjackapprenticeship]

It's closed now

[@charchark365]

Oh no, a person that uses their mind is sitting at the table.... kick them out....