When Poker Cheaters Get Caught

[@justinhkli7387]

I was disappointed when the court ruled in favor of the casinos on the Ivey case. The casinos agreed to the conditions without checking on their defective cards. Edge sorting is taking advantage of those defects the same way casinos wanting to exploit players' greed. The casinos should have paid Ivey and he should have never been sued.

[@Zak-jt6nk]

ya it's a terrible ruling edge sorting is not illegal, however cheating in a casino is illegal. It's not really cheating when what he was doing they are using their brain and what the casino was willing to offer them to gain an advantage.

[@branchtana315]

Yes. More people need to realize that what Ivey did was NOT cheating. He did not mark or alter the cards in any manner, nor did he use any tools to gain an unfair advantage over he casino. All Ivey was guilty of is being smart enough to take advantage of all the information that was legally available to him. The greedy casinos wanted his action so badly that they agreed to every one of Ivey's requests before hand. They weren't forced to do that, they chose to do that. The rulings were complete BS. The ruling basically allows the casino to freeroll someone like Ivey. Being an "Advantage player" does not guarantee you will win every session. Ivey could have easily lost millions during those sessions and the casino would have happily taken his money, even if they knew he was edge sorting the whole time. Then if Ivey wins, they got to call foul and the courts gave them their money back. The biggest crooks and thieves in the gambling world are the casinos themselves. With the millions in revenue that casinos generate for their jurisdictions governments though, courts are almost always going to side with the casino over an individual player. So in that regard, the court hearings are a fraud in the favor of the casinos too.

[@cyclopsvision6370]

@@Zak-jt6nk The casino picked the playing cards, and supplied the playing cards. If the equipment they were using was defective, that's their problem, not Ivey's.

[@Zak-jt6nk]

@@cyclopsvision6370 yes exactly what i just said if you read it, but ivy actually picked the playing cards and the casino supplied them.

[@patchiebeaver139]

@ginaparker-langley that is so wild haha that story just made me like him more

[@neftron]

Phile Ivey wasnt cheating, the casinos allowed everything he did. Ivey just outplayed the casinos within their own rules.

[@neftron]

@ginaparker-langley you aint a judge. He wasnt cheating

[@artful1967]

wrong

[@Abraham-Kaykski-Steinberg]

he did not break the rules, therefore he did not cheat. disgusting that they would not pay him his winnings.

[@gmatsue84]

Playing exploitative is still cheating even when both parts agree to it. If you got scammed by some company because you didn't know what you agreed to had some exploit, and you lost substantial money, you'd sue, no?@@Abraham-Kaykski-Steinberg

[@OneEyedJack01]

@ginaparker-langley both parties, Ivey and the Casinos, agreed to the terms. At any time, the casino could have said no. it is not cheating if Ivey has information they do not so long as that information is available to anyone that investigates thoroughly. If the casino had done their due diligence, they could have discovered the edge problem. That is incompetence on the casino's side, not cheating.

[@jamespettit6352]

That is such an insult to call Ivey a cheater. He hustled the biggest hustlers in the world. I think the word you're looking for is hero

[@justjeff386]

Casino's have rules governed by law that have specific odds that definitely favor the house. But that is what a player is expecting to play against. If you exploit a glitch to change those odds, it's cheating. That's not a hero move, that's a scumbag move. Casinos exist. If casinos and gambling didn't exist, Phil Ivey would probably be an assistant manager at Jack in the Box. While you can argue that gambling is bad and that casinos shouldn't exist, at least a regulated industry you can know what you're getting into.

[@2AForever-wi8yj]

@@justjeff386 the casinos screwed up they altered SOP to accommodate a whale its their own fault and they should have caught the crap he was telling them to do. but to call it cheating nope. if i.m playing bj and i ask the casino to expose boths card before i and they do it i'm not cheating

[@natecrosman7732]

@@justjeff386 Meh, context matters. To me, cheating other individual players out of their own money vs exploiting an edge against a casino are two different things. I could accept that it is "cheating", but not in the same categories as any of these others in the video. Someone cheating other players at a poker table is a lot scummier than, say, realizing a few numbers are less likely to come up on a roulette wheel and using that to your advantage, or counting cards in blackjack.

[@justjeff386]

@natecrosman7732 that's for you to decide. But it still shows his character which you can't assume wouldn't extend to fleecing other people

[@natecrosman7732]

@@justjeff386 I feel like I can assume that, unless it's been proven otherwise. I don't assume card counters would just as soon steal from me, for example. It's a completely different thing. But fair enough.

[@LucianDevine]

On the one hand, Barry was 100% at fault for not protecting his hole cards, but on the other Skillsrocks was also clearly trying to collude and get his friend to fold when he was beat. So good on the casino for banning him from any future events.

[@tomemeigh5338]

His whole cards? Do you mean: As opposed to his partial cards? Or do you mean his HOLE cards? Which is it?

[@LucianDevine]

@@tomemeigh5338 Yawn, fixed, go grammar Nazi someone else, it'll be just as boring there.

[@mosesmoses8357]

i mean homeboy was legit leaning over his shoulder and looking straight down at his cards. hes a scumbag who was trying to cheat. hes lucky he didnt get shook the fuck up in the parking lot

[@LucianDevine]

@@mosesmoses8357 That much is definitely true. He's definitely lucky he didn't catch an ass whooping in the parking lot.

[@AngeloMantzios]

Is there a rule that doesn't allow you to look at another player's cards? Because Barry def didn't protect his hand at all. So shame on him for that. That said, should he be worried that people are going to do that in an organized, public event like that?

[@pizzaguy2959]

Bro the employee took 15k off HER STACK.. and he worked in the production room that had real time info of hole cards… what a blunder to mess up the most significant detail

[@usernamesrlamo]

But he had been doing this to other players before this and was only caught because of the extra scrutiny and review of the tapes for the Robi-Garrett incident. It wasn’t a blunder, just irrelevant to the storyline he was giving. Despite hundreds, perhaps thousands, of hours of investigation, not a single shred of evidence has ever been produced against Robi. It was clearly an isolated crazy play and absolutely broke the soul of one of the biggest streaming stars in poker.

[@jim0084]

The employee flipped out when Robi agreed to give her chips back to Garret and then took the 15k off her stack right before she gave chips back. It's certainly very suspicious. Either Robbi is the biggest idiot in poker for going all in on J 4 or she is cheating. The one thing she isn't, is a great poker player.

[@SleezeJest]

It is crazy that after all this time, there are still Robi backers out there. They're like covid deniers, despite all evidence to the contrary, they persist. So much so that even some bloggers like Matt Berkley have been intimidated into qualifying there accusations, and waffle about how she "might, maybe,. probably" cheated. Meanwhile she gets a pass and plays in games regularly. It's insane.

[@G0DofRock]

He was most likely helping her in exchange for taking a small amount of her winnings. Either that or it's a wild coincidence that she did this the same night he decided to steal from her.

[@pizzaguy2959]

@@usernamesrlamo except everytime she plays now she plays completely different than those few stream games. Not to mention the employee never once took chips off someone else’s stack? Also the investigation was done internally with zero incentives for them to turn up wrong doing - can’t even trust they aren’t in on it

[@bryantsteury8910]

For that first guy, what poker room is letting a player keep their phone on their person AND OUT during active play? That’s beyond dumb

[@Oof-DahReviews-bf4hv]

A lot of poker rooms allow this. That's why I don't play poker anymore. There's downright collusion, signals, phones, and direct dealer involvement. Poker just attracts the scummiest of people. The main reason, most of the time there are no real consequences to the casino or person's committing the crime.

[@Shootskas]

They allow this in the WSOP. I've seen several vlogs of this over the past few days.

[@bryantsteury8910]

@@Shootskas that's wild I didn't know that

[@bryantsteury8910]

@@Oof-DahReviews-bf4hv that's unreal. I dont blame you for not playing. I wouldn't either

[@hutchphilpot6870]

@@bryantsteury8910I worked at Stones from 2016-2019. I lived with Mike Postle. My girlfriend was a cocktail waitress at Stones, and roommates with Mike. Everyone had their phones out, it is allowed at ALL casinos I’ve seen/play at in California and Vegas. If not players will go somewhere else, It’s that simple. I played a lot of poker with Mike. And frequently beat him. He was a good player, big online before the poker renaissance of the mid 2000’s. After all is said and done, I really lean to him not having cheated. Huge douche for sure, was in love with my gf but I never once saw any actual evidence he cheated. People don’t realize how these live streams were played. These people were hammered, played like donkeys on the stream, and extremely loose.

[@BeeHash]

Ivey didn’t cheat. He asked for certain conditions and they were accepted.

[@michaelneis]

casino mad they got beat at their own game lol

[@BeeHash]

@maxwellboyne2770 that isn’t the same at all. He changed nothing about them. He didn’t mark them, he didn’t hide something on them - nothing. He asked for certain conditions- where by the way the casino had the odds set to take all his money - and the casino said yes. Not at all cheating. It’s called “advantage play”. Which is exactly what the casino does to players.

[@userac-xpg]

@maxwellboyne2770 the casinos greed caused this situation. They cheat people every day, for once someone beat them using their own flawed equipment. That is 100% on the casino.

[@h445]

@BeeHash lol them accepting his requests doesn't make it not cheating, dumb@ss. if he'd made the requests and let the casino know it was because he wanted to read the backs of those specific cards in order to CHEAT, then they wouldn't have allowed it. really really stupid 'logic' by you.

[@joshuathebuckeyeartistbarton]

He did 🤡

[@detonationpyrotechnics4156]

I think it’s absurd that casinos can make up all the rules to their full advantage yet people can’t exploit loopholes. Casinos are the real crooks

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

They are all cut from the same cloth, gambling is for those who refuse to earn an honest living like the rest of us do... 😕

[@complimentbot7015]

​@@peterfitzpatrick7032that's false. Your sentiment is often associated with a bitterness or jealousy of people who earn their money in unconventional ways.

[@MiscName]

But the cheating players are taking money from other players, not the casino ...

[@idiotidiot5821]

I mean dont gamble its pretty simple. Never been to a casino and never will

[@cynicalclusterfuck5605]

​@@peterfitzpatrick7032 Is it not possible that some people enjoy playing?

[@2332Stephen]

No way you can have a poker youtube channel and not be able to pronounce some of the most popular player's names.😮😮

[@brentfarvors192]

Most of these tools will narrate a stool passing if they thought it would earn ad revenue...At least he didn't do the "never ending prologue", in the beginning; Repeating everything 15 times in different phrases...

[@iamamish]

A lot of these channels are run by people who aren't native English speakers, so they use AI to generate English voices. You can tell when they mispronounce common words or people's names.

[@abyssal5948]

Also saying AK off suit is the best starting hand in poker...shame...

[@LouiseStastny]

It's an AI voice over from text

[@CyberInferno]

I was wondering that exact same thing...also common poker things are just described in weird ways.

[@michaelawilliams]

Willfully peeking at another player's cards may not be cheating, but signaling your friend is definitely cheating,

[@cwolf208]

Yep. He was fine until he tried to tell his buddy to fold.

[@InformallyDead]

Exactly, IMO peeking at someone’s cards is apart of the game. Don’t want people to see your cards? Hide them better. However signaling to someone else is cheating and should result in some sort of ban.

[@MattieD]

So for the last clip, do they only "suspect" her of cheating, or did she just out bluff him and win? I'm not too quick when it comes to stuff like this so maybe some clarification would help?

[@whichDude]

No evidence was ever found. However steps were taken later for security reasons. The production room displays could be seen by almost any employees who look at it. It has since changed to a single guarded display only accessed by director. Players already put their electronics away, but now they have to put personal items in signal blockers as well and go through metal detectors every break. So main suspension seems to be that she had some employee that could see production room sending her signals. Her big outfit and jewelry could definitely conceal device that could help her (chess butt beads theory).

[@edgark4808]

If you have a lot of money, and dont understand a lot of poker, you would call the All In. So the call make sense. She is not a pro, she is a player, staked by her husband. The call was Ok, no cheating. Bad played and lucky, but a tipical play for a fish. Basic rule: Dont bluff a fish, they never fold. As she is bankrolled by her husband, she is a average loosing player, if she were a winning player, no stanking by husband would be necessary. So she is a fish. They never fold. No cheating here.

[@RstGamingReviews]

It's not outbluffing someone when you call with jack high and think "the other person only has A high". Something weird definitely was going on.

[@PvtGermanWagz]

She didn’t cheat, she’s just a terrible player with a lot of money that got lucky on the river, the guy was a crybaby over the loss.

[@RstGamingReviews]

If you're going to say she didn't cheat, at least play devils advocate and say "I believe she didn't cheat". At least then you're not making some kind of know it all declaration that she didn't when you have 0 way of actually knowing other than your guess.

[@jyesucevitz]

I think it's dangerous saying someone is a "caught cheater" when there's only speculation and zero evidence.

[@michaelmorales1602]

@cocainecarl4200 "Dangerous" is definitely the right word here.

[@JD_tcb]

I think it's dangerous to confuse tf outta me with wrong graphics 0:23 secs in. Guess nobody else cares but F this channel imo.

[@animeknowledge5048]

​@cocainecarl4200it is dangerous you can get sued

[@Bsweet117]

Dangerous to whom?

[@michaelmorales1602]

@@Bsweet117 Everyone

[@nitthegrit7544]

Regarding the Robbie Jade vs. Garrett issue, you left out one really important factor. The employee was caught on camera stealing $15k in chips specifically from Robbie's chip stack. He didn't take chips from any other stack, just hers. It also happened *after* Robbie was coaxed into giving Garrett the $167k back to him. That's what made the chip theft doubly suspicious. At the time, people thought that this kid was in on the hustle, got worried that he wasn't going to get his cut (because she returned the pot money), and decided to take his payment matters into his own hands.

[@userac-xpg]

whether she cheated or not, Garretts behavior is inexcusable. He accused someone of cheating and bullied them into giving him the money back with zero evidence. At first this situation seemed suspicious to me, but once I heard her talking afterwords it was clear she was just an idiot who didn't know what she was doing.

[@marcoponce2461]

I don't know how she cheated. She called an all in on the turn, she was not favored to win, so if she knew what Garret had, the best move would be to fold. She made a rookie move and it paid off

[@nitthegrit7544]

@@marcoponce2461 Except that it wasn't a rookie move. It's not a move that anyone would make regardless of their skill level unless they had some amount of information about where they were in the hand. Keep in mind too, that Robbie wouldn't need to know what Garrett's exact hand was. All she would need to know is whether she was "good" or not. We already know from her play history that while she may not be considered an elite player, she's also not a rookie. At that point she did have a history of playing in some medium stakes games, and higher priced tournaments. Someone at her level of play would definitely know not to just call off that amount of money with J-high in that position. The odds that she did this just on a "hunch" are incalculably small.

[@POKERMIKE-1624]

​@@userac-xpgcorrect this people that think she still cheated like Garrett that to me is nothing but a cry baby who still has her money out of all of this she Gamble knew this from the beginning cheaters don't Gamble they cheat to win run twice the river if it's a chop or Garrett wins both he doesn't cry an call her a cheater for her to cheat she has to know the last 2 cards for river cards before they are delt and turned over and that is impossible as they debunked in the investigation so as I see it Garrett owes here back the money with interest and should pay for the investigation that cost over 6 Figures it's mind bogging a player at this level and polks that's his buddy as polk probably still believes cuz he's not to bright how they believe she was cheating even at that beginning it's absolutely sad it really is tc

[@advertsadverts403]

The guy that stole her chips Also moved his desk in the office so he could see all the cards on the screen Of course the casino found no evidence they would be sued by everyone that ever lost money there

[@hottubtimemachine1200]

Love it when cheater gets called out in front of everyone. No one wants to play with cheaters. The Phil Ivey thing was suspicious but these places could have refused his requests, if they were suspecting anything instead of being accommodating they could’ve refused, so they are also liable for their losses, especially when they think he cheated at other casinos.

[@timm_3r]

Wow, casinos are known for cheating everyone who walks in, but once a gambler figures out an advantage they sue.

[@absolutez3r019]

Casinos don't cheat. All the rules and odds to every game in known. People choose to play even knowing the odds are against them

[@ehsteve231]

​@absolutez3r019 They absolutely cheated Phil Ivey. He played by their rules. If they didn't want to pay, they should've denied his requests. Instead, the casinos lost and refused to pay and even had the gall to sue him for being the one guy to beat their rigged system. Maybe it's not cheating; it's worse. Corruption.

[@AJSGoPro]

0:20 Do you know what "top pair" means?

[@Kwirts]

Graphic is wrong the board is 8 9 J

[@Texasfishingfamily]

how do you call yourself a poker channel and mispronounce two of the most well known players in the world????

[@pokerbear7]

You must really love poker too, thanks for your feedback! 👍

[@pokerbruh]

3 players at least. Daniel, Scott, and Garrett. To be fair most people pronounce Garrett's name wrong but it's Adelstein and rhymes with fine.

[@MashaRistova]

It’s a lazy clickbait channel

[@masongrönskog]

Scott Sajver 😂

[@masongrönskog]

@@pokerbear7 is that your way of saying, "I know I messed up but at least I got a comment out of it and that's all that matters"?

[@michaelg4664]

The ‘Hustler employee’ didn’t only ‘steal 15K from the table”, he took it directly from Robbi’s stack. After she paid back Garrett (which only a guilty person would do), the employee - who worked in the control room with access to hole card view - wanted to make sure he got his cut.

[@FizzleFX]

1:35 the fuck... PHONES ALLOWED?!! AMATEURS!! Not even pre-school tests allow that.

[@hutchphilpot6870]

Tell me you don’t know current day poker, or casinos without telling me. This is allowed everywhere. Vegas, Indian casinos, card rooms like Stones (I worked there).

[@xchip2]

Have you played poker? Ever?

[@danielmcgillis270]

The whole Mike P thing. One thing I noted that nobody else ever seems to have is the fact that he only plays at the Stones Gambling Hall Casino. You would think if is was really that good and not cheating, he would take his incredible talent to Reno and Vegas and make millions rather than playing at a local card hall in Sacramento. He was only able to hack the table at Stones.

[@mvprime8]

Yeah that was the funniest part about the whole saga, poker pros would come there to play and got warned about Postle, and they were like "Who?". No one had heard of him, yet he was making these godlike plays and winning all the time. Yeah if he was actually that good, he should've taken his talents on the road and make millions.

[@darylmixan8170]

Exactly! and he really only played like that on the stream... He rarely played off stream and when he did, he was an average player, pretty good, but his style obviously was way different. Anytime your poker cards are accessible while you are in a hand, be very very suspect... Postle got greedy as hell! I'm glad he got caught, but fool you are really never going to lose a hand at showdown? there was the one hand where Postle hit the fullhouse and his opponent hit a miracle higher fullhouse on the river with 10-10, board was like 4 8 9, then 8 on turn, Postle had 8-9, river was 10... and Postle slowed way the heck down, was debating on a call and reluctantly put the call in... Knowing 100% he had to to save face... Thats one where you have to rip it all in and lose your $3300... What a fool he was... He loved the attention of "GOD MODE"... When you are cheating, you want to be the most common man in the room.

[@mvprime8]

@@darylmixan8170 yeah it just shows how he couldn't grasp how obvious he was making it. Like how many times he had good cards that he should call with, but somehow miraculously he always knew when his opponent had even better cards and he knew to bail. And then on the opposite, how many times he had absolutely nothing but somehow miraculously knew his opponent also had nothing so he could just put all in. "HOW DOES HE KNOW."

[@JM-cf9xy]

And people continue to play at Stones lol

[@SafakElif]

Heard from a friend that the crash games are thrilling. Been trying those out and they’re quite something. What games have you tried

[@wtyeager]

Missed the part in the last one where she said she called because she thought he only had ace high, even though ace high would still have her beat 😂😂

[@pokerbear7]

True!

[@pokerbruh]

Pretty sure she thought she had J3 and should have just admitted she misread her hand.

[@jigsaw3788]

​@@commenter6722stupidity at its finest!😂

[@kevinclark-cn2mf]

@@commenter6722 she was 100 percent cheating, she is just a moron, she knew her cards and was terribly acting so she would be able to say she had a pair, obviously she knew her hand was good, the only thing I do not get is why she did not cheat on a stronger hand, which leads me to conclude she is just really dumb and terrible at poker. She changed her story so often since it did not line up ever with how she was talking, during the hand when she called she said she had a pair, then when asked about it she thought her jack high was good and no longer mentioned she had a pair, too much inconsistency, just a dumb cheater,

[@aristideau5072]

@@commenter6722 Summed up perfectly. I think the "she cheated" people are giving her too much credit as far as her poker ability and skills. People forget that she is new to poker and had been taking lessons where she probably picked up certain phrases and buzzwords that she incorrectly used when in the confusion and heat of the moment to explain her hand. For example she would have been taught that when you win when calling light it's called 'bluff catching', but wouldn't fully understand the actual hand dynamics. So when she won she would have though "hmmm, I won a low % hand, must have been "bluff catching". I can guarantee you that if you asked her to give an example of 'bluff catching' she wouldn't be able to. Other less obvious reasons why she wasn't cheating: a:) she wasn't playing with her money, she was being staked, b) This was an 'show' game for entertainment and she actually said she felt privileged to be there and undoubtedly felt she needed to provide entertaining moves to earn her spot (I doubt she would have made the call in a private game and it was clear she was playing up the tussle with Edelstein), c) it is clear that she had no idea what was going on at the end of the hand. A poker cheat should be able to instantly assess the situation and use whatever extra information they had to make the relevant play. If you are going to cheat it kinda pays to use someone that knows how to play, and as you pointed out, why choose that blatantly divisive hand to use you cheat code?. Also a few days later Patrick Antonious called a similar large bet (or allin, can't remember) where he also had jack high and everyone praised it as the call of the century. No one insinuated that he cheated.

[@mercurius_5962]

0:24 mandatory comment that the screen graphics don't match the narration or even the video being commented on, enjoy the free engagement

[@pandaplayr73]

To be fair on that last one, Garrett was on Survivor: Cagayan and watching him play there showed me that he likely just got beat there with nothing fishy lmao

[@WileyRyley]

💀 Imagine going to jail for cheating. Now imagine going to jail for cheating at the same time as a murderer, but the murderer gets 1 year instead of the 3 that you were given.

[@T1ger8oi]

You failed the edit on 0:24. No point in continuing

[@NuttyProductionsOfficial]

Great content. First video? You deserve to have a million subscribers

[@pokerbear7]

Preciate it !! More coming soon🌟

[@sameerbaig8567]

0:24 you say he flops top pair with QJ but you show the flop as 8 9 4?

[@nitthegrit7544]

Looking at another players hole cards isn't technically cheating, it's just considered really, really horrible etiquette. Every casino I've played cards in always has the rules clearly stated that, "It is ultimately the player's responsibility to protect their hole cards". I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most casinos that catch people looking at other players's hole cards will likely ban that player or at least 86 them, but legally that's about all they can do. It's sorta up there with counting cards in blackjack, but ethically it's much worse.

[@denisfolcik1373]

Most players will tell the player by them if they are exposing their cards to them. Years ago, I was looking at my cards in a way that the player to my right could see them. He was nice enough to let me know. I now do the same. While it would be nice to know the cards everyone else had, I would rather not find out by seeing their cards while in the hand.

[@userac-xpg]

it depends on if you accidentally see their cards or are deliberately trying to see them. If a player is trying to protect their hand and you are making an effort to see their cards then you are cheating.

[@nitthegrit7544]

@@userac-xpg If someone accidentally sees your cards and follows etiquette they will tell you that they saw them, and remind you to protect them better. If they accidentally see your cards, and *don't* say anything, (and continue looking), then they have become just as bad as the person who was trying to look on purpose.

[@2AForever-wi8yj]

@@denisfolcik1373 yup

[@2AForever-wi8yj]

@@userac-xpg no youre just a scumbag if you are actively trying to look at them unless you are handicapped in some way protecting your hole cards is not difficult .

[@xForbin99]

paused to say i am pleasantly shocked how well done this is. i was not expecting this level of well thought out accuracy on the postle situation. this is a legit channel

[@CrysisFear]

Anyone who robs a casino is a saint in my eyes.

[@2AForever-wi8yj]

putz

[@Justdont693]

We were all disappointed in the Ivey ruling. He laid everything out to the casinos beforehand. This specific deck, I can bring my assistant, we can talk, etc etc. the casinos agreed because they were greedy. They got played and they agreed to it.

[@SelmaMirac]

I keep to the classics like slots and occasionally blackjack. Keeps things light and fun. What's your strategy

[@RobertGarcia-dl9if]

@pokerbear7 the picture you used at the 3:22 mark is the wrong person.

[@liamnevilleviolist1809]

3:47 - "Daniel Ne-GRAIN-Yewww"

[@TheBeefSlayer]

You can’t put Phil in here. He didn’t cheat a poker. He didn’t cheat at all. He’s an advantage player.

[@neopromise]

Ivey didnt cheat....

[@dysui5253]

I agree!

[@Aphpomni]

Came to say the same thing. That casino met all his terms to get his “action” they didn’t know they were setting themselves up for failure but that isn’t on Phil… Phil set the parameters of the game he was willing to play, they agreed. 100% their fault, now could they have backed Ivey off? Told him he is no longer welcome in their property ABSOLUTELY but you don’t make a mistake, lose your edge, then whine like babies when you lose.. you do the same thing to every single person walking through those Doors, did Phil have an unfair advantage? Of course he did… he set it up that way, and the casino sooo desperate for the action agreed. They deserve what happened to them and it’s terribly sad the courts ruled in favor of the casinos.

[@flamefusion8963]

He clearly did cheat lmao

[@amosfeldman9454]

Regarding Mike Postle, he was one of the friends of the person from Stones casino, and was present when the broadcasting equipment was set up, including transmission of the card data to the control room. He also participated in testing out the setup. It is presumed that somehow through the arrangement he got access to the live data from the table to his phone, possibly mirroring the desktop of the control room computer to his phone.

[@Tony2Glock]

Possibly, and now that I've heard that explanation I'm gonna stop defending him as much. Because that would make a lot of sense. Especially him, pretty much only playing Stone and earning his entire notirity there. Used to think, well he's got a good feel for it. I play similar, knowing when to raise someone's bullshit. Sometimes I'll fold the nuts and muck just because I don't like gambling, I play poker. Thought he was a similar player but this changes perspective immensely.

[@UrKiddin]

​@@Tony2GlockI'm with you. I thought to myself, they have no real. Proof but this makes sense. All he had to do was installing a mirroring app on the desktop and have it transmitted to his phone. Not hard at all. Explains why he only played at the Stone.

[@Red4350]

i been watching random pokemon content, so i thought this was called "when Poke cheaters get caught" lmao

[@Sam-lr9oi]

There's some good drama about that too! I forget who but there was a cheating accusation with a player on a feature table in the Pokémon tcg in the '22-'23 season

[@kaptainkaos1202]

I can honestly say I’ve NEVER cheated at any game I’ve played. Not even a little. I was brought up to believe cheating is bad, bad, bad. I consciously turn my head the opposite way if someone is gettsloppy with their cards. I just wouldn’t be able to face myself in the mirror after cheating. I know plenty are going to call BS but anyone who knows me would vouch for my honesty.

[@alexh8613]

Robbi didn't just have a bluff catcher. She had a low-card bluff catcher. Meaning even if she caught Garrett bluffing. Most likely his hand was still going to beat hers.

[@mrkennyfernand]

But did she cheat? he didn't explain how she cheated! did she pick at his cards? did she change her cards? how?

[@alexh8613]

@@mrkennyfernand Did I say she cheated? There are countless ways to cheat and seeing that an employee was busted later that night, the possibilities of her cheating are high. But nowhere in my comment, did I say that she was cheating

[@brw3rd]

@@alexh8613 How does an employee stealing chips have any bearing on the hand, in which she called before the river? Her play was horrible and definitely negative EV. But, I do not understand how anyone could think that there was any cheating. Had the river been a club, everyone would rightfully ridicule her for calling all-in with J high.

[@notrab13]

The most likely way she was cheating was that she was getting some kind of signal from the employee who ended up palming 15k off of her stack. The signal was probably something rudimentary like “good” and “no good” since she was still a dog going into the river despite being ahead of Garret on the turn. It was after she agreed to give Garret his money back from that pot that the employee thief audibly screamed in anguish (after learning that his cut of Robbie’s take had gone down by a lot) and then later stole from her stack.

[@brw3rd]

@@notrab13 But, she called before the river. And, there were more cards than not that would improve Garrett's hand against her exact holdings. Had she called a river bet, there may be something there. But, there was still a card to come. Are you also asserting that said employee knew what would be the river card ?

[@MuserrefAhmet]

I've been spinning the roulette mostly. It's like being in a real casino. Do you play any table games

[@danosborn5377]

Phil ivey should not be on this. The casino agreed to everything Phil asked and then got mad and try to ruin his reputation when he beat them at their own game. Crazy that a judge ruled in the casinos favor when casinos ruins millions of peoples lives by cheating them out of their money.

[@MisterMxyzptlk1972]

"You can have the money and the hammer or you can walk outta here, you can't have both" -DeNiro

[@sludge8506]

His buddy didn’t get a choice.

[@usmh]

The Ivey case is such a dumb one. The backs of the cards is obviously made available to the player as part of the game, and edge-sorting is just using what information is given to you by the house. No paraphernalia or conspirators needed. Only an asshole would call that illegal.

[@flamefusion8963]

Cope cheater

[@gusespe4458]

I ain’t gonna Lie the J-4 call was probably the “WTF” call that truly made no sense at all !!!!

[@jjaapp18]

So the last one wasn't even cheating? If there's no proof and just loose evidence, why call it cheating? Just because "no professional would do it" doesn't mean anything.

[@ToddKenyon-t1s]

Phil was not cheating he was using information available to all players

[@flamefusion8963]

If he wasn't cheating, why did he lose his lawsuit? Because it is clear as day that the cards gave an advantage.

[@NurullahIsik-hz1ye]

My friend suggested trying the crash games for a quick thrill, and wow, were they right! Have you taken a shot at those yet

[@GorillaStrength]

Ivey never cheated in poker…. Why is he in a video of “poker cheaters”.??

[@userac-xpg]

never cheated period. If you saw something on how a slot machines' reels lined up and knew the next spin would be a jackpot, are you a cheater for putting in a dollar in pulling the lever? Or is the casino at fault for having a flawed machine?

[@GorillaStrength]

@@userac-xpg Exactly!

[@victorjames9562]

Marked cards is about as cheating as it gets, no, getting factory marked cards is not the one weird trick to avoid being a cheat,

[@Bryanpeacock33]

He wasn't even playing poker lol

[@stefanc4520]

How is Phil Ivey like any of those other cheaters? He simply played the game with all the tools allowed, not blatant rule breaking!

[@jaaacktractive]

Ah yes, Scott SAIVAR and Daniel Ne-grain-yu

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

So is it a humans voice or an AI bot that is reading text?

[@kipz]

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants it's obviously AI lol

[@Littleboyblew]

I don't think Ivy did anything wrong, casinos can cheat you but if you have advantage over them its a crime.

[@chexx5184]

That's what I'm saying the casino agreed to his conditions why are they complaining

[@chujwie4028]

8:50 i watched this live and i knew something was off the moment she made that call, poker is created in such a beautiful way that you can tell something is off in moments like that. anyone who cheats at least once on a poker table should be banned on every possible poker event and go cheat in a game where money isn't involved

[@brentfarvors192]

Thimg is, casino's really dont care because they get paid regardless of the outcome...The ability to rake in $1000.00 per table hour without risking a single dollar??? "Step right up!!!"

[@DW-op7ly]

Did you watch at least 3 times after where she played that same hand and won?

[@CashMoneyMerta]

DON'T FORGET THAT SHE IMMEDIATELY GAVE HIM HIS MONEY BACK

[@crisisoninfiniteopinions2977]

Robbie's cheat was a carefully calculated setup. She is an "Influncer" who used this one time event to explode her brand and boy did it work. Doug Polk had the best analysis, but the wrong conclusion. She knew this would go viral as poker cheating controversy and raise her brand to water cooler talk. She played the game and played it well. All of it except the poker.

[@kevinclark-cn2mf]

@@DW-op7ly players do that all the time with shitty hands, they pretend it is their favourite hand so they have an excuse to play like a moron

[@andrearce1099]

I met Joey Ingram in Vegas during a concert. What a great guy! 🤘🏽❤️

[@Rizzit]

imagine going to jail in germany while a child rapist only gets 2 years.

[@shlokgaur4030]

Well Daniel was always the GOAT for me but Ivey was close. But I never heard about this... Now Ivey is way below in the list😂

[@rickt10]

You got sone names of pretty well known poker pros wrong. It is Daniel Nahgrahnew and Scott Seevert.

[@Joe_C.]

You also got the names wrong. It's Daniel NEGREANU, and Scott SEIVER 😜

[@tomemeigh5338]

@@Joe_C. He spelled them phonetically, though admittedly added a "T" to Seiver's name. But he DID get the word "some" wrong.

[@MageAtYou]

@@tomemeigh5338 wrong and also without the phonetic alphabet

[@eire3215]

So does it mean if I've continued to play, would he have to give up his winnings as part of this court case?

[@julee5071]

How is that Iveys fault...? When the casino has an unfair advantage too. Ivey and his asian friend are smart af lol

[@thisiztheewae]

The fact that you can cheat millions, get caught and get away with zero legal consequence is mind blowing.

[@alingirdea7874]

Dude you pronounced all their names wrong. All of them.

[@dondee5439]

At the 0:38 mark, I read that poker commentators instead of being LIVE add their comments AFTER the game is taped and being edited for broadcast. It certainly makes the WITTY JABS and INSIGHTS seem less spontaneous and more rehearsed.

[@andrewalpaugh4608]

Its was $15k from her chips.. 10% of $150k .. he worked in the booth where whole cards are shown

[@userac-xpg]

never play on a live stream

[@JD_tcb]

Love when people just start rambling off about a specific person in a compilation video and expect everyone else to know wtf they're talking about...

[@jayweh]

could someone explain to me what robbie did? I'm not an english bative speaker, and it's talked about really fast. so she went all in with a bad hand?

[@matthewfoley9522]

She ‘called his bluff’ with Jack high, there is no full proof that she cheated but because the play was so bad, and some of the things she said afterwards, it is hard to think she didn’t cheat. To add onto it, 15k of someone’s chips were stolen that night. This proved that security was poor all night so it makes it more possible that Robbie cheated. There is no proof of anything though, maybe she just can’t play the game very well.

[@jayweh]

@@matthewfoley9522 oh...I was so stupid to not put a timestamp on this 10mins video. could you time point me to the exact moment? I already forgot what it was all about, but I want to understand your explanation since you kindly took the time to reply. 😊

[@globalunitedanimals]

I fully agree that its up to you to protect your cards. I haven't seen any rules saying you cant look at their cards.

[@pokerbear7]

Absolutely. Gotta stay sharp!

[@iamamish]

It's angling at a minimum and very poor etiquette. The chair kicking is colluding, and that is definitely against the rules.

[@globalunitedanimals]

@@iamamish There's no proof of any chair kicking, it was just an accusation. The other player ASKED if it was happening. I'm not talking about etiquette, im talking about rules. It's not good etiquette for a boxer to take a cheap shit on the break but it's not against the rules. To me anyone who doesn't protect their cards is a freaking idiot who deserves for them to be seen

[@iamamish]

@@globalunitedanimals two things - one, it was very clear he actually was kicking the chair, you can see it pretty clearly. Two, let's assume he wasn't kicking the chair, and then we can amend our statement to read, "IF you kick a chair to share information, that is collusion, and against the rules"

[@yaakw]

Not at Teddy KGB’s place.

[@KDotz]

These transition words and phrases go crazy

[@efg1311]

To this day I still believe Robbi had inside info. People always counter by saying why would you cheat in that specific spot. To that I say, the people involved are not highly intelligent and I’m guessing their system was very rudimentary. If I had to guess it was probably a one time signal on the flop that you’re either ahead or behind and Robbi isn’t smart enough to realize the gravity of the situation. Her min-raise is what leads me to believe this. And that’s also not to mention in every single game where she’s been on camera since she not only gets absolutely destroyed by every other player, she has never once made any play remotely close to the ones she was pulling on HCL.

[@G0DofRock]

Ya nobody is calling 250K with J hi. If Linus did it, maybe, but he would openly talk about how crazy it was. She was just so giddy like she was tempted to make the call knowing how it would look and couldn't resist... Not being able to resist is such a cheaters trait.

[@mpup54]

I think a novice who had info would cheat in that spot, but not an adept player, they would know better. That she gave back the money made it look worse in that she didnt feel she earned the win. That is always telling, and since then ive been watching Omaha high stakes anyway where I no longer have to see how bad a player she is. I would be happy to hear if she is being shunned now due to being nowhere near the level needed for those stakes.

[@fredericoalvesdossantos996]

Also, when the hand was over she said to Garret "I thought you had A high" then why would she call?

[@edb7742]

Of course she cheated. She was getting information about Garret's cards from the guy in the control room, the same guy who took $15k of her chips after she agreed to give the money back to Garret because he wanted to get paid as they had agreed.

[@Rem694u2]

The same reason rich women steal. They do it for the rush.

[@azakive]

maybe a little pause between the different stories woulda helped but otherwise no complaints, well done sir.

[@dehydratedwat3r]

if youre going to have a poker channel you should at least know how to pronounce the last names of some of the most popular poker players ever..

[@tenningale]

It's an AI voice. A lot of these channels are run by people in India and places like that.

[@shauncorless8965]

We're there's money there's cheats

[@HexFyberYT]

"poker players are experts at increasing their odds at the table" tell me you have no idea what you're talking about, without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.

[@Grasuggan22]

Very strong of Veronica Bril to call him out

[@tectorgorch8698]

Love Brill. Wish she was on the webs more often.

[@userac-xpg]

took a while before she did. She was on the Mike Postle God train for several episodes.

[@thewrench0157]

If that last case was actually one of cheating, they’d be among the dumbest cheaters in history. Shoving all that money with just a 30% chance to win is downright idiotic if you assume they have the unfair advantage of knowing exactly what the opponent has

[@crisisoninfiniteopinions2977]

Robbie's cheat was a carefully calculated setup. She is an "Influncer" who used this one time event to explode her brand and boy did it work. Doug Polk had the best analysis, but the wrong conclusion. She knew this would go viral as poker cheating controversy and raise her brand to water cooler talk. She played the game and played it well. All of it except the poker.

[@tomemeigh5338]

Anyone who thinks that Robbi cheated stand on your head. Hustler Casino itself found NO evidence of cheating. And Robbi herself said IN THE MOMENT AT THE TABLE that she called Garrett because she called Garrett. Garrett got what he deserved - what I myself would have loved to have been able give him. He got called out for being the bully that he is, and he reacted to it in the classic bully manner by throwing a "hissy fit," as it were.

[@userac-xpg]

she was an idiot who misread her hand. It happens. Or she did it on purpose expecting to lose, but knowing the social media gains from the hand going viral would benefit her in the long run. If you listen to her talk she doesn't even understand poker concepts like bluff catchers and blockers. A real cheater would have never given Garrett the money back, especially without proof of cheating. Even then money is the cheaters motivation. She doesn't care about money.

[@kennethpeters4066]

..is the narrator high? "Flops top pair with straight draw"...? Where...? The screen at 0:24 says otherwise... or am I missing something?

[@makokx7063]

The flop was 8 9 J Giving the J Q top pair and inside straight draw. The guy who made the video illustrated 8 9 4 by mistake. 4 was the turn.

[@raymondpatrick2918]

Antonio obviously didn't know what was going on. Skillsrocks was unethical but not cheating.though he's still a scumbag but again You must protect your cards. Its a simple responsibility we all must do.

[@zachadams1769]

Was that Michael Schofield on the thumbnail

[@lanceoa]

Protect your cards folks….

[@benm3266]

How did video games figure out putting a delay on live streams to prevent cheating but poker hasn't? It's been around alot longer

[@jerrysanders4129]

Everyone still saying Robbie cheated yet still ZERO evidence. Polk even said it himself...but then played with her on the same table.Some proper weirdos in poker.

[@tomemeigh5338]

That's the truth, JerrySanders. Absolutely NO ONE playing the game today plays it any differently than the thousands of everyday people who aren't in HCL. The only difference is that they couldn't care less about the money and ONLY care about their own egos.

[@G0DofRock]

Polk is also a wildly opinionated person.

[@userac-xpg]

Garrett is a big cry baby when he loses. This was just the first time it was caught on camera. Never play with that guy

[@StabbyMcCutBleed]

So im confused... Is the Robbi Jade Lew thing just that she raised with a bad hand? Didnt she still lose? That reads to me like she just failed to bluff.

[@MightyJabroni]

Nah, she actually won the hand ..... with jack high The guy had a straight flush draw (but also paired 10s on the board) He over-bet without any showdown value and she called. Both played like absolute cheeks in this hand. No cheating, just stupidity.

[@StabbyMcCutBleed]

@MightyJabroni ohhh did the other guy fold and i missed it?

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

Ivy's case was NOT cheating and should not be in this vid.

[@ShotokunWulf]

I dont understand the last one , what did robbi do wrong

[@OJ_Pimpson]

Come on man, Phil Ivey didn’t do shit

[@kevincozens6837]

For the first story, no one at the table should be allowed to have a cell phone with them that is turned on.

[@richlewis1879]

Robbie looks like Chewbacca's daughter

[@colintimp1372]

Anybody ever caught cheating should get a lifetime worldwide ban, period; and all of their assets that can be shown to have been made during and after the cheating seized. Let's say a player deposits $1000, and using RTA or other cheating methods, runs up a bankroll of $100,000. Then the player takes that money to the WSOP and makes $2 million. Even though they didn't cheat in the WSOP, should they be allowed to keep the money? I think not. It's ill gotten gains of ill gotten gains. Also, the damage that may have been caused to the players they cheated cannot be estimated. What if another player had been destined to win the WSOP that year, but was unable to play because they lost their bankroll to a cheater? The poker community needs to take a firm stand against this.

[@christopheradorno4203]

i agree. at least for more severe cases.

[@-TheOracle-]

Veronica Bril is the type of play I love to see sit down on a no limit poker table .Ole "Apostle" there is nothing more than intelligent player.

[@tomemeigh5338]

How is watching a stream of the cards intelligent? The person who hacked the online game so that it showed him everyone cards was intelligent, but Postle was just plain stupid.

[@expose1657]

@@tomemeigh5338 you say above that there was no evidence of Robbi cheating which is correct. However there was also no evidence with Postle either. Casino, DOJ, the software forensics team at Stroz Friedberg, and Gaming Commission found nothing. Also everything you see for data online is fake. Same with the narratives. Postle didn’t cheat either but the online magicians made it seem like it for content.

[@ledflaplin2001]

@@tomemeigh5338was that proven?

[@playinragz8183]

Those poker pros are all crooks. They colluded winning $20mm against Guy online 4 pros vs him. Disgusting

[@101perspective]

I still don't get how you can call that last one evidence of cheating. I mean, I've seen several games where people made wild calls like this when the other person was bluffing. And btw, she worked with this guy so odds are she knew his tells better than most. Add on the fact that he was the favorite in the hand the entire time makes it HIGHLY unlikely she knew his cards. Even during the river he had a slight advantage.

[@pokerbruh]

I went back and forth about it, but I think that she thought she had J3. She should've saved everyone a lot of trouble by just admitting that initially, and not trying to act like she made some kind of sick next level soul read calling with J high 😂

[@tomemeigh5338]

Robbi said AT THE TABLE and IN THE MOMENT, that she called Garrett because she called GARRETT - a person who is basically a donk who lived off of luck. He himself made low-percentage calls that "almost no poker player" would make, only to get lucky when those low-percentage plays came in. I personally would have loved to have been able to call Garrett's bluffs, and were I in Robbi's position, not caring about the money, I would have called him too - out of SPITE. To this day, I'm sure that was Robbi's motivation: that she was just sick and tired of him bullying everyone because of his "reputation."

[@budthebud9108]

Nobody would cheat in that spot and nobody would ever call in that spot and anybody with a brain that was cheating wouldn't call in that spot so I submit to you she is brainless

[@joshcarpenter2008]

@@pokerbruh She actually had J4 because J3 would have given her a pair at least. No rational reason to make that call IMHO. She was cheating.

[@userac-xpg]

she was an idiot who misread her hand. It happens. Or she did it on purpose expecting to lose, but knowing the social media gains from the hand going viral would benefit her in the long run. If you listen to her talk she doesn't even understand poker concepts like bluff catchers and blockers. A real cheater would have never given Garrett the money back, especially without proof of cheating. Even then money is the cheaters motivation. She doesn't care about money.

[@brandonandrews175]

Casinos do something stupid and get their own medicine. Won’t pay up and get backed in court. What BS

[@NoMoreBsPlease]

I agree with Skillsrock, it's ALWAYS been up to YOU to protect your cards from everyone AT the table.

[@DarkestHour752]

At 0:24 the video incorrectly shows the flop as being 8, 9, and a 4. When it should be 8, 9, and a jack.

[@ladyofthelake223]

It’s harsh and I’ve told people before when they were flashing their cards but is it against the rules to look if they aren’t protecting them? Isn’t that on them? Seems it’s a weakness that can be exploited if you play that way. I’m not sure though, is it officially against the rules?

[@brandonscoffield9974]

Wasn't there a video where Phil Laak explained that the player has the responsibility to protect/hide his hole cards?

[@JTrain8]

Phil Ivey “cheating” to beat the casino is something entirely different and shouldn’t be mentioned in the video.

[@playinragz8183]

Yes it should what’s wrong with you?

[@flamefusion8963]

@@playinragz8183 he is the type of guy to mark his cards and be like, it isn't cheating. It is completely fair for me to do that.

[@stephenfulbright9772]

Postle didn’t get top pair at 25 seconds. The video is okay afterwards, so if you fix that, then it’s good.

[@darylmixan8170]

Postle is the dumbest cheater of alltime... His ego loved the God-Mode more than the money... I have always been skeptical of LIVE HOLE CARDS... honestly, what the fugk?... He was a semi-good player away from the Live Stream and never lost hands LIVE should have been sniffed off wayyyy sooner.

[@SibelSimender]

It's been a blast so far. Makes it even better knowing friends and family are also having a good time on the platform. What’s been your favorite part

[@jdgoesham5381]

About the first one. The game I play in phones are allowed but they have to be on airplane mode since ppl are around the table during the games and we don't want anyone sending texts to others what ppl have. And for other reasons like distractions. And on the second it's not cheating to look at ppl's cards they're not even hiding. I myself try not to even look and I have told many ppl their cards are showing, but it's still not against the rules to glance and if you see them use the info to your advantage. It's one of the most cut-throat games in the world. It's asking a lot for everyone to be ethical in every way.

[@dondee5439]

Is an easy way to check if a phone is ON or OFF to call it to see if it acts like it is OFF?

[@MustafaTugba-w8n]

My recommendations came from a couple of buddies who are into sports betting. They helped me navigate the initial setup.