Can You Spot the Rules Violation? | Commander Special

[@tciddados]

"We'll go over the calls you missed at the end of the game" "Alright, the game's over, time to end the video!" Judge!

[@Fopenplop]

i guess they didn't miss any

[@beanofknowledge2125]

Under another comment they wrote that the only missed Call was the turn order being wrong

[@manuelfernandovillalbaguti6356]

​@@beanofknowledge2125they missed the painter servant's etb trigger doubling with panharmonicon

[@geoffreymullen3527]

@@manuelfernandovillalbaguti6356 It doesn't have an etb trigger. The choose a colour effect happens "as it enters the battlefield", the effect never hits the stack.

[@gibbeldon]

@@geoffreymullen3527 While the effect never hits the stack due to being static, you have to choose a color as it enters the battlefield. Doesn't that count as a trigger?

[@WarcowUshi]

So the playing counter clockwise actually is against the rules. In multiplayer magic you always proceed clockwise, this was added to the comprehensive rules with the first conspiracy set which had the first card which reversed the game order in a multiplayer game of magic.

[@kristeenlivesay2664]

There was also a rules violation where Carl flipped a coin for mana vault and took damage but never called heads or tails.

[@lostincyberspaceIII]

Do you know where that ruling is? I have been scouring the Comprehensive rules and have not been able to find it. Never mind its part of a big blurb on 103.1 and missed it.

[@Technomagus]

@@kristeenlivesay2664 He established a shortcut that he would always take damage if he flipped Blastoise with the first flip. Not technically a rules violation.

[@kristeenlivesay2664]

@@Technomagus huh, that makes sense. I’m so used to people calling it every time or declaring that being the shortcut that with how he worded it I guess I just assumed it was only on that flip.

[@CardmarketMagic]

Indeed, the turn order being counter clockwise was the only rules violation they missed 👍

[@Johan323232]

I appreciate how much joy Carl takes in instructing his opponents how to play. Actually keeping track of precisely how you stacked each deck would be quite difficult, but the smugness of the delivery is perfect. I don’t know how much the editing is covering for note referencing, but if it was done the illusion is seamless. I also appreciate the difficulty of doing this kind of challenge with branching paths. If Jamin and Thoralf miss a judge call, it changes the reality of the game (like playing anticlockwise, or not having a colossal dreadmaw to reanimate because Emrakul triggered). Designing a series of challenges resilient to the branching pathways was impressive.

[@CardmarketMagic]

There were even whole side-quests of rules interactions that we didn't get to see because they called out some rules :) maybe for next time.

[@gibbeldon]

@@CardmarketMagic As mentioned when "Sword of the Meek" wasn't allowed to trigger twice. I would love to see those interactions.

[@PPolycephalum]

14:41 Judge! Talent of the telepath only costs 4 so there should be 1 additional mana of an unspecified color from cascading cataracts.

[@deadded5793]

Exactly

[@DreamGamingS2]

I just realised why Jamin only played mountains every turn. If they called out the counter-clockwise rule violation then it wouldn't make a difference because all he is doing is playing mountains!

[@SandarianMD]

Absolute props to Carl for being able to tell them what to play without seeing it, memorizing the whole game plan plus the answers to the rules haha

[@arkb0t379]

What was especially impressive to me about the script was he needed to be prepared for more than one game state, because rules violations he got away with and didn't had different game state outcomes.

[@Wabajck]

Wait aren't we supposed to get a rundown of the violations?

[@c_hoffrun7020]

They played Colossal Dreadmaw... what else is needed exactly?

[@sarahtekh]

I think we didnt get anything because they caught all of them, they were only gonna do a rundown of any they missed

[@legomanwanter]

@@sarahtekh 103.1 states that "...default turn order begins with the starting player and proceeds clockwise." so they definitely missed at least one

[@timfreund784]

Carl misread or misrepresented the card "Bone Saw", it doesnt have 1: Equipped creature gains +1/+0 it just gives this statically.

[@pablodiaz2278]

Painter servant was banned too right?

[@ruthpol]

This is so fun. I love how Theralf looks like a detective cracking a case when he goes "wait a minute ..." at 11:30

[@xxPenjoxx]

He reminded me of that meme kid - "Wait a minute....who are you!?"😂

[@AlexFarleyMusic]

I was literally at that point in the video and clicked the time stamp and it kept going right back to where i was already at.

[@Barracius]

One violation I expected is for Thoralf to draw a Colossal Dreadmaw after having been given one to replace the illegal Emrakul, thus making his deck illegal again.

[@CardmarketMagic]

You would have been correct, but we chose the funnier option 😅

[@lucaswalker824]

This is THE best mtg channel in the entire world. The energy and vibe you guys pass out just brightens my day whenever I watch one of your videos. Thank you for that. Truly. ❤

[@MCTimemaster]

Honestly I'm impressed at the amount of planning that went into setting up that many rules violations and directing the play to keep things sequenced with so much shenanigans. good job

[@dimensionswaechter]

I am astonished with the insane setup that these games need. Hats up to you good sirs! I loved every second of it :)

[@ReyosBlackwood]

14:38 judge! Carl can't have 3 floating colorless. Spending 5 into cataracts gives him 5 in sny combination of colors, so all 5, including the one he is left floating would have to be of some color or another (probably all blue in a mono blue deck)

[@aisaoder680]

Jamins part felt like the retroactivly added side chararcter of a story, to have more drama in it :D "Of course he was there, don't you remember him playing that mountain? Noone else did that in the enire series! What a tragic end he had..." Loved it!

[@ThereIsAnExtension2UndoHandles]

this video was just an excuse to bully Jamin at commander, wasn't it

[@CardmarketMagic]

It was

[@colanialcranial283]

*Beautiful* lol

[@joedoe7572]

​@@CardmarketMagic13:15 Carl didn't declare targets before resolving the spell 14:30 1) colours of mana produced by Cascading Cataracts wasn't declared, and 2) Carl didn't declare which mana remained in his mana pool after he cast Talent of the Telepath And you have to play clockwise

[@Socrates-]

⁠@@joedoe7572he said me, although quietly

[@Tharkon]

@@joedoe7572He did declare targets before resolving the spell. The real error is that he put it in his graveyard before resolving the spell.

[@fionathegayesttiefling9867]

One potential trap that I really expected to come up with Muldrotha was casting an artifact and then an artifact creature to see if they'd call the judge on that even though it's a completely legal game action (Yes, Muldrotha's rules text explicitly says that's allowed, but y'know, people don't actually read cards.)

[@1997Awesomedude]

You would also be able to use it to cast two artifact creatures in a row, one as an artifact and one as a creature. The same thing comes up with Atraxa Grand Unifier

[@seandun7083]

They actually did miss a judge call relating to that. If a card has multiple types and you are casting it via muldrotha, you have to choose one as you cast it.

[@LibertyMonk]

No, that's Muldrotha's reminder text you're thinking of, not rules text. Rules text is the normal non-italics stuff. Reminder text has no bearing on the rules of the game, and it often glosses over the details of rules while preempting the most common question. Also, you can cast MDFCs from graveyard for any mode, so long as the Type of that mode hasn't been used this turn.

[@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme]

The Professor is lurking in the shadows waiting for even the slightest opportunity to ask if people have read the card.

[@fionathegayesttiefling9867]

@@1997Awesomedude Yeah, thinking about it, having him cast two artifact creatures would definitely have been the trap play

[@joedoe7572]

13:15 Carl didn't declare targets before resolving the spell 14:30 1) colours of mana produced by Cascading Cataracts wasn't declared, and 2) Carl didn't declare which mana remained in his mana pool after he cast Talent of the Telepath And you have to play clockwise

[@GawdDaeme]

15:34 JUDGE! Insight tells you to "draw a card" - there is no may included thus making it mandatory and not optional!

[@caseywellington4761]

But nobody cast another green spell (mycosynth lattice)

[@GawdDaeme]

@@caseywellington4761 true, wrote the comment the moment he played it and got the phrasing wrong, and im not much of a tournament player to know if reading a card wrong is enough to make it worth to call a judge. Just wanted to point out a mistake as you do in comments :D

[@CelticGods]

The amount of work that must've been put into this video is immense! I really hope you keep growing the channel and that you can keep making awesome content!

[@bricelory9534]

This is such a fun way to help people learn various rules interactions. Such a good idea!

[@ottolaing4039]

Judge! at around 18:40 Thoralf appears to tap the mox amber and the sol ring to cast the whispersilk cloak, it's hard to see because of the camera often excluding the mana rocks but at 19:21 you can see the flavourtext from mox amber on it's side in the corner. Thoralf cannot tap the mox amber for mana however as all of his legendary creatures/planeswalkers are colourless due to mycosynth lattice

[@ddp77]

oooooh, a spicy call...

[@undergroundmonorail]

Judge! Insufficient randomization of decks ;)

[@V2993k]

He would have had to given them a point for that if not just an insta win.

[@CardmarketMagic]

🙄😅🙂

[@Maine_Gamer]

When Jamin accidentally calls the judge and Thoralf makes a Montey Python and the Holy Grail reference made me so happy.

[@B-Ran_the_Man]

13:58- Judge! I havent seen any comments about this but we have a missed trigger that isn't a may ability. Mishra's Bauble was played, but it was casted from the hand, which triggers Sai's ability to make a 1/1 thopter. This should have been on the stack before Carl could sac the Sword of the Meek to KCI.

[@bouboulroz]

I mean, this one is kind of weird. KCI is a mana ability, and therefore can be used during the casting procedure of Mishra's (after the cost is locked but before it's paid). So it's possible to sacrifice for KCl while casting, making the mana before the triggers are even checked. Beside, even without that particularity in the rules, he did resolve the triggered ability while the bauble was on the stack, implying the effects were put on the stack in the correct order.

[@dockyx3]

In my group we always play 3 player commander :D Great video as always

[@matthewskullblood9778]

I like how dude is just playing by himself and brought his friends to sit there

[@TheCuzzolator]

You guys genuinely make me laugh. Best channel ever

[@kyleconnelly1727]

JUDGE. Clockwise is the default turn order in the rules. That said... if you take a clock and put it above you facing down then you did do "clockwise"

[@RodrigoCML7]

If you wanna be cute, sure. But clockwise means to your right, as if you were standing on top of a clock. It does not mean that you get to imagine where a clock would be and act accordingly.

[@xolotltolox7626]

​@@RodrigoCML7clockwise means to the left, what are you on?

[@RodrigoCML7]

@@xolotltolox7626 you might want to google that. I think it's the sense of circumference where most people get lost and mix right and left

[@xolotltolox7626]

@@RodrigoCML7 you might be mixing it up mathematically postive then, because mathematically positive is to the right aka counterclockwise

[@RodrigoCML7]

@@xolotltolox7626 maybe, but I'm not talking about mathematically posstive but about the direction notiom derived from ancient sun clocks where clockwise would mean from left to right, as per the sundial. Like "Hey Abraham, where is the bakery?" "Go straight and then turn clockwise". Also in military terms, 3 o clock is to the right, 9 to the left. Which applies here where we are determining in which direction the game will go. Again, a google search away to find that out

[@reshiramer608]

Hey guys, mostly a fun question for y’all, but Carl what is your favorite commander to play, if you play the format? I know you like turbo fog in pauper, and played turbo fog in the recent commander video, so I was curious to see if there was a modern turbo fog commander you enjoyed playing.

[@CardmarketMagic]

I don't play a lot of commander but I have a Rashmi, Eternities Crafter deck that I have never yet had the opportunity to use :) it has spore frog and moment's piece and tangle and card draw and no real way to win outside of your opponent's going at each other instead of you 😅

[@allopeth]

15:50 A minor detail here is that Jamin is asking which card came into the battlefield first but they all came into the battlefield at the same time! Carl can choose the timestamps because he is the active player though, but they all came into the battlefield at the same time. By the way, I love these kind of rules videos. Keep them coming!

[@kageotaku]

What rule are you looking at? 613.7K? That is not how I read that rule. Each player makes choices for their own timestamps, but active player makes choices for THEIR items first, then the next one, etc.

[@allopeth]

613.7m If two or more objects would receive a timestamp simultaneously, such as by entering a zone simultaneously or becoming attached simultaneously, their relative timestamps are determined in APNAP order (see rule 101.4). Objects controlled by the active player (or owned by the active player, if they have no controller) have an earlier relative timestamp in the order of that player’s choice, followed by each other player in turn order.

[@Unpetraccable]

These rule intensive videos are always so interesting! Keep up the good work

[@kineticstasis6342]

13:55 - 14:10: For anyone wondering about the pauses here, I think Carl is supposed to announce the Sai trigger before activating KCI, otherwise it's technically a missed trigger. That being said, I'd consider it pretty bad etiquette to call someone out on that in a casual commander game.

[@kageotaku]

You could argue that is Out of Order sequencing per MTR, really.

[@GraemeGunn]

8:00 lol these really are the best Magic videos on KZbin

[@Julio1jpg]

This was a great idea! Fun to watch and try to keep up with all the rules interactions

[@nate3487]

There was a rules violation with Muldrotha they missed. When they cast the Artifact Creature with Muldrotha's ability, they have to specify whether its being used as an Artifact or a Creature.

[@siosilvar]

That's not a rules violation, just good etiquette (same as specifying when you're tapping Cavern of Souls for colored mana).

[@akorthouwer]

that's not required

[@mr.joesterr5359]

it technically is against the rules. you are required to explain what you are doing in any game of magic. you HAVE to tell your opponent what you are doing cause otherwise it is considered hiding shared information (cheating.) @@siosilvar

[@mr.joesterr5359]

and yes you also have to explain if you are tapping cavern for colored mana as otherwise you are straight up deceiving your opponent by hiding important information. both of these could get you in trouble at a tournament depending on the judge and if they want to enforce the rules that strictly. the cavern thing would be really sketchy tho if you tried to counter and ur opponent was like 'oh i didnt tell you but tapped cavern for colored mana so its uncounterable' like that WOULD NOT FLY! @@siosilvar

[@realitant]

⁠this is literally how it works. The rules were changed. You don't have to specify

[@jfrizzell6645]

Best thinkg about this channel is the variety - keep it up, guys - great job as always!

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you :) I'm happy you enjoy our content

[@black13undertaker]

At 14:40 Carl had one extra mana floating. He had 8, spent 5 to make 5 blue but then only used it to cast a 4 mana spell.

[@Playingwithproxies]

And that’s the video editing so who cares?

[@DismemberTheAlamo]

Burn doesnt exist anymore, so its irrelevant

[@taranlee5203]

I do think the rules state that you must declare your floating mana if you have any when you pass priority, so this is technically a rules violation, I could be wrong tho. I saw it too, went looking for your comment

[@frankwhitfield-tk6dh]

You guys had such a great time, really fun to see!

[@joshuan3265]

This is a great thought prosses on how hard magic is some times to catch when cards are being used "correctly"

[@NiiRubra]

Yeah, the overlapping color changing was an interesting instance of that.

[@cobaltbeau]

One thing about what Carl said re: Teferi's protection - if it said "you cant lose the game", it would have a duration and would only stop you from losing to commander damage while the duration was in effect. The first time SBAs are checked after that duration expires, you'd instantly lose.

[@GraemeGunn]

I would not want to be in charge of creating three Commander decks that are arranged in such a way as to create a puzzle like this. Wow.

[@viviblue7277]

I wonder how many I’ll catch. I’ve been forced to get decent at this by the lack of judges almost everywhere I’ve played magic.

[@piotrkraska6144]

There are Heroes among us, lurking, playing, creating great content for others to enjoy

[@deadded5793]

14:40 he had 8 mana and spent only 4 for talent of telepath. After that he said that he had 3 floating mana, while infact having 4.

[@deadded5793]

@falsnamae3511 yes, but he still said he has 3 floating mana. He has 4. 1 colored and 3 colorless.

[@floraphore]

I was so confused how he cast a white spell with only mountains- oh how badly I'd lose this game! 😂

[@darebrained]

It's a colorless spell tho.

[@QPolaris]

Mycosynth Lattice lets you pay mana as if it's any color

[@fredrickatchison4542]

Devoid creatures are colorless, but have color in their mana cost. So, that argument isn't foolproof.@@darebrained

[@banana9494]

@@fredrickatchison4542 but it wasnt a creature or devoid

[@kevintindall3743]

I think the point was that the color of a spell does not change the cost. Colorless spells can still cost colors.

[@StahliCell]

Just because I saw Panharmonicon I need to narrate what happened to me with that card this weekend. I modified my Elesh Mommycon edh deck to a Preston deck (Elesh norn was too powerful for my playgroup) and let me tell you, getting 6 lands a turn with a blinked solemn simulacrum is absolutely insane. Panharmonicon + Elesh + Preston + blink Simulacrum = Simulacrum enters the battlefield, triggering Preston twice because of Panharmonicon, creating 2 simulacrum 0/1 tokens, each of the simulacrum triggering itself twice resulting in 6 lands AND 3 blockers that if they die they draw a card. I had all my basic plains on the battlefield and somehow STILL lost that game, I love magic so much!!!

[@TheJFKWahoo]

I was waiting for the end for you to reveal that you drew 8 cards as your starting hand 😂

[@vladtodorov4665]

Love this series

[@senken12]

Judge! Graveyard order matters in commander, and Thassa's Bounty was put into the graveyard before it finished resolving. And when Cascading Cataracts filtered mana for Talent of the Telepath, Carl said he had 3 floating mana, when it should be 3 colourless plus 1 of a colour

[@kageotaku]

You are technically correct about GY order mattering. The best kind of correct.

[@PaullyDM]

The Colossal Dreadmaw should of been a Basic Land of their commander's identity as 3.4 Tournament Error - Decklist Problems will cover. "If the remaining deck has too few cards, the player chooses to add any combination of cards named Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain or Forest to reach the minimum number. Alter the decklist to reflect this.

[@raisins7777]

Technically that's the tournament rules, not the general rules of magic. The MTR is not a given for a casual tournament. Even if it was, you are quoting the IPG but a Commander game is more likely to be at Regular so it should be the JAR. The JAR solution is "Remove any cards that shouldn’t be in the deck, **put back any cards that should**, then add basic lands of the player’s choice if the deck is below the format’s minimum size limit. Any cards that are added to the deck should be shuffled directly into the library. If the error was discovered during a draw effect, have the player complete the draw effect after the deck is fixed and shuffled." So you would remove Emrakul, shuffle Colossal Dreadmaw into the randomized portion of the deck, and then mill a random card.

[@PaullyDM]

@@raisins7777 What implied this was a casual tournament vs an official tournament ran at Comp REL? They never specified, so you gotta cover your bases.

[@filippusledzki1059]

14:05 carl responded to the cast of mishra's bauble instead of reposnding tk the sai trigger that goes on the stack automatically

[@motorologist]

That Emrakul was a good rule violation to put in haha.

[@cyphern]

@22:30 "You win the game at the same time!" Which, as any good judge knows, invokes rule 104.3f: If a player would both win and lose the game simultaneously, that player loses the game.

[@CardmarketMagic]

There's don't include a subgame of "Spotthe rules Violarion" 😅

[@TODR34M]

This was a very interesting episode!

[@suwakomoriya5723]

I think there is a small irrelevant rule violation at the point where Thoralf casts Canoptek Tomb Sentinel with Muldrotha. Actually, the reminder text says that as you cast a spell with multiple types you have to pick the type you used with Muldrotha's ability and well they didn't, but it's kind of covered up by the other rule violation that they spotted so I don't know if it "counts"

[@chrisquint3656]

I know a lot of people are calling out about turn order, but I say as long as turn order is consistent and agreed upon it shouldn’t matter unless it’s in a competitive environment OR if you’re playing with the rule that you can only attack the player on your “right” and can only be attacked by the player on your “left” (there was a rule at one point for multiplayer magic that said this, I just don’t remember which side was for which)

[@andyony2]

What do you think of showing this video as a premiere? Then it's "live" and we can guess and find the rules violations before seeing the answer!! ❤️ Otherwise, what a great video! I am still at the beginning and can't wait to see the final verdict 😊

[@alessiofedi5462]

I really love you guys, I’ve been following you since the begin and you’re doing such a great job. Keep going!

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you :) that's so kind of you to say

[@austintomlinson7863]

The two I caught that they didn't. -15:43--, with Panharmonicon he has to choose two colors.- 13:56, not quite sure if it is a rules violation or just him mispeaking, but the way he said what he said implies he is responding to his Mishra's Bauble casting when I believe the Sai trigger goes onto the stack before anyone can do anything.

[@fabiogfox6751]

The ability of Painter's Servant choose a color isn't a triggered ability.

[@austintomlinson7863]

@@fabiogfox6751 ah, I believe you're right, didn't see the "as"

[@ubermusli]

Judge! The fix for an illegal card is to replace it with a basic of the player's choice 😅

[@vladtodorov4665]

The thumbnail is brilliant as well.

[@Lovuschka]

14:35 JUDGE! You can't decide how much mana you float. You spent 5 mana, got 5 mana, paid 4 mana. So you have to float 4 mana at this point, not 3.

[@CardmarketMagic]

You can always decide how much mana to float :) you can also float mana for no reason

[@Lordidude]

​@@CardmarketMagic You can't make mana disappear for no reason.

[@CardmarketMagic]

@@Lordidude you can indeed by moving into another phase

[@Lordidude]

@CardmarketMagic Yes, that wouldn't be 'for no reason'. One mana disappeared in the flagged part of the video (: Great video though! ❤️

[@jackhenderson369]

3 violations I noticed: T2 Carl drew before he untapped. 2nd Crypt trigger, he never called the flip. When he sacc'd his artifacts he had 8 mana, then he cast Talent, saying "pay 5" when it's 4.

[@schrodingersowl8774]

For cascading cataracts you have to specify the mana created which carl did not do

[@ArchaicEX]

Around 13:56, you Carl casts an artifact then "responds" by activating an ability, but he hasn't announced the Sai trigger yet. He doesn't get priority (and isn't paying a mana cost, relevant since the ability is on KCI) until he finishes putting all his triggers on the stack. On one hand the, tournament rules certainly allow this: he's not skipping anyone else's priority window, and ends up resolving everything in the correct order. On the other hand, this is a test about following the game rules, and this is technically not allowed.

[@DanRocal39]

Another creative and interesting video, you guys rock!

[@FrancardNoir]

Another cool idea for an episode! And always nice when Ted Mosby gets to make a guest appearence

[@robertcousins2274]

This presentation style is fun than just trying to show puzzles and rules

[@classicace031]

13:58 judge! Correct me if I'm wrong but mana abilities do not use the stack. It is not a response. It just happens.

[@betabrett0223]

wait so was there no additional judge violations? Carl said he would tell them after the game, did everything get called?

[@th3d3m0nz9]

No, one thing I noticed that wasn't mentioned was that Carl played a Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth (a mono green land) in a mono blue deck

[@OfficialZeBode]

@@th3d3m0nz9 Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth has a colorless color identity and no basic land type, so it can be included in any Commander deck, even one whose commander's color identity doesn't include green

[@Dot_Eleven]

​@@th3d3m0nz9 So, I believe you can because Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth itself does not technically provide green mana. Since it has no tap for green pip, it can be put in any deck. Although the card is colored green, it's identity is colorless.

[@th3d3m0nz9]

@@Dot_Eleven Huh i never thought of that lmao, thanks for explaining

[@th3d3m0nz9]

@@OfficialZeBode huh ok thanks!

[@swordrush]

Wizards no longer seems to think judges are necessary lol.

[@kageotaku]

Sad. I used to be one in the before times.

[@jonohitchcox6433]

22:22 does he lose? If he has protection from everything wouldn't that include protection from creatures and therefore wouldn't take the damage to cause the commander damage death?

[@JusteazyGames]

14:42: Judge! You used cascading cataracts to convert 5 ◇ into 5 colored mana (presumably blue). However, you used 4 if it to cast talent of the telepath. One more colored mana should have been added to your floating mana pool, which per 106.4a must be announced when passing priority. You never announced what the extra floating mana was.

[@ThespianGamr]

I almost exclusively play 3 player commander games, because we can't convince a 4th to join our bi-weekly kitchen table games. There you go Toralf

[@pyrobryan]

We have a 4 player group, but the other 3 are all married with kids so we wind up playing 3 player about half the time. Seems like someone always has some kind of family event come up.

[@cheesi]

Yeah 3 player comes up a lot for me. The amount of players we have varies pretty wildly so sometimes we have 3, sometimes 4, sometimes we have 6 or 7 and split into groups. The only REALLY awful number is 5 imo, it's too many for things to go quick and smooth, too few to split into 3 or 4 player games.

[@GmanTheTank]

Our play group is normally 3 as well. Trying to get adults to schedule around the same day is madness.

[@TheJadeFist]

21:50 You can take damage without your life total changing. That's a thing that infect does even when counters can't be put on the player. For other triggers that damage is still considered to have had happened, however the life total doesn't change... Or at least that's what I would think would happen here. edit: I was right, but forgot about commander damage as a thing, cause I never play commander

[@datawulf88]

Loving the ruling videos 👍 entertaining and learning 😎

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

Another fun TefPro-esc rules interaction is Commander damage and Angel’s Grace. You can’t lose, until the active player passes the turn

[@96samcosmo]

I was expecting a rules violation surrounding using KCI to pay costs.

[@liamfoote7164]

Love the thumbnail. A beautiful smile

[@Badalight]

Here's possibly an interesting violation: using one of the wish cycles in commander. They are not banned, but they don't work since commander no longer has a sideboard. Might trip someone up.

[@dauthislingr7486]

Wait 15:47 Painters Servant is an ETB. Brilliant Restoration puts them all on the battlefield, first. Then, you have Painter’s Servant trigger, then you have it trigger again because of Panharmonicon. So, all spells would be green.

[@dauthislingr7486]

Never mind, that’s wrong. The continuous effect is on Painter’s Servant, even though you choose the color as an ETB.

[@PaullyDM]

@@dauthislingr7486 It's an "As it enters the battlefield" which is a replacement effect, and not actually an ETB Trigger, so it won't use the stack. If it was "When it enters", then it will be a triggered ability and will go on the stack :)

[@dauthislingr7486]

@@PaullyDM😅Of course it is… Thanks!

[@howtonotplayminecraft950]

"His colosal dreadmaw is confused" Thoralf has never played Pokémon, obviously

[@ViniAlmeidaSousa]

Another very entertaining video, good job! I assume these types of videos take a long time to prepare, so I appreciate it even more. Next time I wouldn't mind if you could elaborate better on the violations. You comment on them very quickly, and as a very casual player, I could use some more graphical explanation :)

[@henriksinjen8659]

I never knew you could play Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth or Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in a Mono-Blue Commander deck. I was thinking about adding one in my colorless EDH...

[@asducommentaire7475]

14:39 4 manas, no ?

[@chrisnesja9245]

Judge! At 13:14 Carl puts Thassa's Bounty into his graveyard before he finishes resolving the spell. Normally, he would draw 3, mill 3, and THEN put Thassa's Bounty into his graveyard. Since commander is a graveyard-order-matters format (cards like Corpse Dance and Guiding Spirit are legal) this is clearly a violation of the game rules.

[@Ranafroger]

several times ive done weird ruling things, like mycosinthetic lattice turning my Daretti, scrap savant onto an artifact and being able to regenerate him with a welding jar, or having a gideon blackblade turned onto a creature, then playing a clone as a copy of him, that its a crature gideon, with loyalty habilities that prevents damage, for example.

[@DismemberTheAlamo]

That Teferi's interaction is why "Everybody Lives" is superior. :P

[@NMS127]

Only in the sense that you live until the upkeep of the next turn. Then you lose to commander damage when state-based actions are checked.

[@akorthouwer]

@@NMS127 not really teferi's protection doesnt say you cannot loose the game. So would lose the game whilst being phased out

[@NMS127]

@@akorthouwer I was talking about the case where you use Everybody Lives instead.

[@chicco8439]

Rules Violation 13:00 When Carl flipped for Mana Crypt, he did not declare that the new blastoise-side flip would deal 3 damage

[@thelegend-sb6jt]

That thumbnail is legendary 😂

[@Cman21921]

Did they miss any rules violations?

[@EmeraldRage1]

Jamin's deck has illegal colored cards, he's a Red/Green deck, but he has White and Black cards

[@VoidArchon]

I could swear Painter's Servant was banned in commander, but apparently it's been unbanned since 2019

[@hobez64]

​@@EmeraldRage1Kroxa and Kunoros is a Red/White/Black commander, so his colors were fine

[@tichrondus]

Cascading cataracts plus 8 colorless mana doesn't cast a 2UU spell with 3 colorless floating, but I'm not sure any rules were violated.

[@Oznej]

They were, he needed to declare what colours he tapped for.

[@Jolfgard]

15:13 How lucky, and how deserving of a judge call.

[@MunetsuguTakeno]

Well technically: At 14:46 there was cast Talent of the Telepath and at 15:09 its being resolved (still), you cant target any card revealed by talent, you just pick one, targeting would have to be legit at the moment you cast the spell (for simpliocity) furthemore at that point I believe Spell mastery is active (the affinity draw 2 + the draw 3 mill 3 which names I cant recall atm and I cant check) which...doesnt target either and its up to 2 so it wont change much as there was only one possible card...therefore JUDGE opponent tried to target Brilliant Restoration withnout anything that would allows him to target it :) 👼.

[@a_doggo]

So creative and fun. Loved this video.

[@CardmarketMagic]

I'm happy you enjoyed it :)

[@XTimTheEnchanterX]

Wow sneaky judge call against the viewers at the end lol

[@MostafaWatji]

Carl, you outdid yourself. GG !

[@Luper1billion]

I thought protection from all permanents from terferi's protection would stop the attack from connecting, but maybe thats only if it was cast before the attack was declared?

[@s4ad0wpi]

Poor Jamin! Just a punching bag this whole game!

[@BipolarBear137]

15:40 Carl didn't name a second color(or the same color) when Painter's Servant entered.

[@Snake9332]

The last violation (best to my knowledge) is that which Thoralf called out. Last known owner information is that it should return to the grave, as it cannot be in Jamin's exile (where it would be otherwise), so instead it goes back to Thoralf's grave. I did catch the clockwise rule at the start, that was the easiest judge call for me. The card draw was sneaky, but "in any multiplayer game of Magic, the first player draws a card"

[@andrewcreech5633]

All control effects end (which this is not because it was put into play under his control) then everything leftover is exiled so it would go to exile just not Jamin’s Edit: spelled Jamin’s name wrong sorry Jamin