Let’s Finally Settle This | Azorius vs Dimir Control

Let's finally settle the matter once and for all, which is the best control deck? Dimir or Azorius? Luckily, we have some of the best magic players in the world, Andrea and Arne, bringing the best decks to the table.
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[@williamscerbo458]

Dimir control = evil wizard slinging spells Azorius control = fun police

[@AaronRotenberg]

That feels pretty accurate to their in-universe flavor, too.

[@piercearora7681]

@@AaronRotenberg True!

[@Obversechaos]

But the fun police are also evil.

[@XTempestBuster]

​@@Obversechaosare izzet the good guys then?

[@GoblinWar]

​@@XTempestBuster I think "pedantic mechanic scholar" works

[@janmelantu7490]

I’m extremely surprised that Andrea never drew a Teferi, because every time I play against Azorius control my opponent always drops it on turn 5

[@CardmarketMagic]

I think Andrea was as surprised as you are at not drawing any teferis 😅

[@bender3tube]

Try to run some counters and they will stop to slam it on 5 ;)

[@JankyDice96]

4 copy of a 5 mana drop is 96% chance of dropping it on turn 5…if not discarded other ways…

[@reaven73]

@@JankyDice96 57% if i am not mistaken.

[@CompHarth]

😊

[@DeadlyGrim]

I like how so much of the match was doing nothing -- but very aggressively doing nothing! Classic control vs control.

[@brucedavis191]

control matches are not staring contests they are scowling contests

[@Swimmerwoad]

The twists and turns in these games were insane. Back and forth planeswalkers, counterspells, hall of the storm giants. And people say control mirrors are boring

[@EgXP]

The games were great, but honestly I'm all here for that post-match breakdown; a brilliant show of sportsmanship and game knowledge that was so fascinating to me (as a braindead aggro player, lol). Keep it up, folks!

[@Beelzebubster]

The editing is fantastic! The card names representing their hands makes it so easy to follow! Dimir Control lookin' like an underrated force!

[@Superfarts]

Always loved Mangu, Arne is excellent, really like the chemistry

[@maurygreen9451]

I was so rooting for Dimir control I had to stop doing stuff just to spectate the match. Never thought control vs control would be so intense

[@Flip4Crypt]

The animations and sounds on the cards are awesome! This quality content is getting more and more quality every video!

[@JordanGrayson00]

Absolutely loved this video! The games were great and both Andrea and Arne were so amazing to see play and hear their thoughts. Two of my favorite MTG players!

[@paulonavarro7095]

Amazing video! This has become hands down the best MTG channel on KZbin. Loved the matchups and the edditing

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you! 😃

[@TheWaffletron9000]

What a match! This was so awesome to watch. Loved getting to see back and forth counter magic plays. Got me wanting to build some dimir control because that was wicked. Great stuff!

[@craigugenius]

Love watching these two play! Paired with fantastic editing on your end truly top notch content! Regards!

[@Shudzsi]

This video is something else, i cant even… the great players, the decks, the edit… wow. Good job everyone, thanks for this amazing content!

[@Guevon_Pajaro]

finally after years and more magic experience I do really enjoy watching high level control players -- this is bliss, this video. I learn so much by their play patterns, and very well edited. love it

[@mrpoparq]

Jamin and carl are some of my favorite people to watch play magic, they just bounce off each other so well and it’s just fun…

[@McStarkiller666]

They both have their strengths and weaknesses Azorius is better against creature heavy decks that flood board it has more board wipes Dimir is great against other control decks and spell combo decks as it has more hand interaction

[@dylansylvester4719]

Run a transformative sideboard and do both

[@Necroskull388]

I think the thing that made the difference in these games is actually that the Dimir deck was packing more card advantage. Ertai was also a big presence, being a counterspell that can snipe the few threats a control deck plays while dodging Negates/Vetos AND being a threat they have to answer.

[@bortle]

just leaving a comment that i really love all of your videos. i’ve gained a lot of really great insight on deck archetypes which is hard to get into as a new player. thanks!!!!!!

[@Razomka]

Really good games and could watch it all the time. Great guests as well. Keep it up Cardmarket.

[@curumu_yt]

Great video, the editing makes it a joy to watch! 40:57 here Sorin should go down to 1 bc one human still hit him, I think

[@andyony2]

Thank you so much!! Of course to Andrea and Arne, but also to the whole cardmarket team! The quality of your videos are getting still better and better each day! You are doing a great, great job :) And I see, how much effort and work you are putting in these videos. WOW!!

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you that's so kind of you to say :D makes all the hard work worth it!

[@eatmoretidepods2499]

This was a really cool matchup. As always another great video from you guys, I can't get enough pioneer content from you and just wanna say that I really like the mid game thought analysis that you guys do

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you! :)

[@MostafaWatji]

Loved the editing at 35:40 !

[@catchasmurf762]

Shame we never saw a Tef dropped, but great games nonethless. Also I really like the graphics showing each player's hand. Nice!

[@CasuaIisKing]

normally i dont watch paper magic since i started playing magic again with war of the spark on arena, but since i really like both arne and andrea and i almost know all the cards in those decks + the way it was visualized is really good - i had alot of fun watching this, enjoying their banter and some fun magic

[@babagallio138]

At 23:43 the march can't target a player

[@moersertrupp]

it targets a shark and makes a 11/11 shark, that can attack afterwards

[@borisvanderhof8952]

Earlier a 2/2 shark also did five damage because they forgot the lifeguard from absorb

[@1ntegrator]

Wow, those were so fun to watch. Both keeping up mana most of the time in preparation for a counter war… As Mengu said Arne played extremely well and it was amazing to see the honesty and sportsmanship by Mengu, hats of to you. Both are amazing players with great charisma.

[@datawulf88]

Nice gameplay and I like your insights in train of thoughts and tactics. Hope to get better in my own decisions with that information 😉

[@ZachtheUnbowed]

The Dimir list seems like a good time

[@ashutoshmohapatra7320]

Excellent games. Great commentary. Fantastic editing.

[@andreaspersson4823]

The most important lesson, always hard-cast Shark Typhoon.

[@rinan5317]

Darn, Andrea killing himself with not shocking was painful to watch. I feel you.

[@chadjehebej2258]

Guys is everything okay, im a bit worried cause this video is 9 days old and i've heard nothing from you 🥺

[@CardmarketMagic]

It's very kind of you to check in :) we are all fine. Carl is just on vacation till late January. Since he makes almost all the videos, we'll start posting daily again once he is back

[@chadjehebej2258]

@@CardmarketMagic Well deserved! I wish you all happy holidays and a frohes Fest :)

[@Rodinj10]

@@CardmarketMagic happy holidays guys! Was getting kind of worried too!

[@andrewpowers3730]

Yes! Been thinking about building Dimir Control in Pioneer!

[@seriousbusiness334]

Ah yes, a video where the title explains the length of the video is always welcome!

[@caleb7882]

You know we been waiting for this!

[@hermelin12]

I just noticed how much the subscriber count is growing. Very nice. Also very deserved with the very good content! 🙂 For sure you can get 100k Subs in 2023! Now let's see Blue Black vs Blue White :D

[@wanderingwestwards7192]

I'd love to see some flashback content from you guys. For example, innistrad and RTR blocks standard was amazing. I'd love to see you guys play some.

[@CardmarketMagic]

We actually have a few recorded that I'll be working on once I'm back from Christmas vacation! 😃

[@rentierlucas378]

Had the pleasure to play against Andrea once and Arne several times. Absolute gentlemen and obviously outstanding players!

[@Sillimant_]

I've never seen control being such an engaging game. Control vs control is absurdly good to watch, andrea just didn't want his teferi as much as arne wanted his narset

[@jasonavina8274]

I am halfway to finishing that black/blue control, its gonna be fun XD

[@pedrogonzalez5340]

Great games ! Both players really know how to play well !

[@JustCallMeJick]

I've been playing Esper control with Yorion. Having access to fatal push+thoughtsieze and also teferi and supreme verdict feels so nice

[@Starkipraggy]

that moment when you just say "why not both?"

[@jonathannicholoff8994]

I just got done making my very first ever Dimir Standard deck 😎😇 I’m pretty proud of it can’t wait to try it out

[@moersertrupp]

This video will be now my permanent bookmark to send people that say playing control is boring

[@billrobinsonmazda]

Another banger guys!

[@chadjehebej2258]

Arne vs Andrea, i already love this video!

[@poketech7192]

Let the final showdown begin!!!

[@sagecho4510]

I run here the moment I got the notification

[@andresarancio6696]

Betting now: as much as I love Dimir, Azorious with Teferi is too strong

[@davidpalacios6705]

This was absolutely fun to watch and also very educational. I think UW Control is good against the Pioneer metagame because is an hostile place, too much aggro, too much two-for-one, three-for-one, etc. But in the mirror and against midrange/control decks, Dimir is way better. Difficult to see it work against RB Midrange, Gruul or Humans.

[@Fractales15]

Azorius, easily. The Wandering Emperor and Teferi are far better than anything Dimir has

[@doomkingraye7692]

I'm a dimir lover And it's depressing to see azorius

[@nothiiiiiiiing]

Esper intensifies

[@ed8054]

Gameplay and flavor-wise, im a huge dimir fan. Dimir Thing in the Ice is so much fun. Sadly I agree Tefer and Wandering Emperor are just superior cards

[@josephcourtright8071]

Dimir doesn't need its own stuff. It can play yours. I really like Dimir thievery as a deck type.

[@caleb7882]

Except if Azorius never draws a Teferi haha

[@disafear3674]

This was a very educational video on how to play control from top players

[@KnicKnac]

I prefer U/B control. The players also have great chemistry. Great stuff.

[@TehEeveeGeneral]

I love these two together! They're such good players & friends, so the game is much more fun to watch.

[@DeadzoneDnB]

Would love to see Gabriel Nassif play Pioneer UB Control more often. These control mirrors tend to be the most exiting content.

[@Kratosauron0]

You really gotta run the Hullbreaker Horror D: D: Turn the control matchup into a race for the Horror

[@xZuunes]

Love this so much!

[@Joe-ck3ju]

3 turns into game one and nothing but land drops... this is a true control mirror.

[@Humstuck]

I feel like UB is better in the control matchup because you don't have to spread your removal to much for the threat and most of it happens on the stack while UW seems better against a wider range of threats but can be tuned for a meta if you know enough beforehand.

[@ericdundas9768]

i've been playing around with dimir's access to mill tools. With graveyard hate, and powerful 3-mana deck removal, it gets close to being viable. I think it's weak in closing out games, but if you catch your opponent with a good exile early, especially in a bo3, you may be able to outpace them easier.

[@ottomoorefuller5302]

More dimir control! This was great to watch.

[@Katzenweitwurf]

Great games! ^^

[@Matyld]

I Litterally screamed of excitment at 11:56, even thought I knew it was coming

[@dli199214]

its nice to see people fully finish a game. i have run into people that scoop really early.

[@NorasHobbyverse]

I have a suggestion for the next Pioneer Deck. It's one I've built for my partner that I call +1Truffle/+1Visitor. It revolves around +1/+1 counters and enchantments, and since the Generous Visitor and the Truffle Snout are cute as hell, they had to be included. The sideboard is a bit janky but that's just because it's all I have, card wise, so you can replace that. It's also super budget, like 12 bucks or so, so if you have a super budget challenge this will work great: 3 Colossal Majesty 2 Cultivate 4 Elvish Mystic 20 Forest 4 Generous Visitor 4 Jugan Defends the Temple // Remnant of the Rising Star 4 Llanowar Elves 4 Pridemalkin 4 Roaring Earth 3 Scavenging Ooze 2 Song of Freyalise 4 Trufflesnout 2 Wildwood Scourge Sideboard 1 Argothian Sprite 2 Broken Wings 2 Hunter's Edge 2 Rabid Bite 3 Ranger's Guile 3 Return to Nature 2 Run Afoul

[@luisdayvid]

Love the music.

[@cliponbowties4799]

Quick question: at 23:43, what does Arne target with the March of Wretched Sorrow? It can't target players, right?

[@SonnigesDeutschland]

Doesn't matter what he targets, it does create an 11/11 shark token that kills Andrea next turn

[@williamw8590]

What sleeves do you guys use in these videos? They sound so satisfying when you flick them down 😍

[@AndreaMengucci]

Mine are Katana sleeves by Ultimate Guard, Arne's are DragonShield customised for Cardmarket.

[@CardmarketMagic]

You can buy the ones Arne is using here: www.cardmarket.com/Magic/Products/Sleeves/100-Cardmarket-Mystic-Sleeves

[@LilSenwolf]

I wonder if teferi temporal pilgrim would be better than sorin the mirthless it's one more mana but the synergy with with days undoing seems insane.

[@reogreifenfurt7916]

Always great to see andrea :)

[@danielmormur9213]

This is the best channel for mtg.

[@geotherfontanilla1325]

Still undecided... ill just play esper

[@wytzevanderveer6351]

I think a better method of testing would also include a best of 3 vs. An aggro deck and vs. A midrange deck. Control vs. Control only tells us what works best vs other control

[@Kaleidoscope2412]

Amazing control mirror between some of the best! Dimir was going to be favoured going in since it has the better tools for the control matchup, but Azorious control has better matchups overall.

[@chadjehebej2258]

those matches 🤯

[@maxreis9534]

Control mirrors are peak magic. I love them.

[@robinnowak8721]

I would love to see Jamin and Karl (don’t know if German or english 😅) face of with their own modern or pioneer decks. 😊

[@Dracas42]

I love how in the second game, I think all of one card was played within the first 5 turns for both decks. I guess that's what happens when there's control vs control, gotta wait for your opponent to do something for you to control 🤣

[@belzaboul]

That Dimir control is very spicy!

[@michaelk6071]

Huh, so hard answers vs card advantage, I guess? Really fun match!

[@v-niftytrickster4166]

Rip Teferi lol. I wanted to see that in action in this match haha.

[@fushioon]

Loved the episode and the music used. Does anyone have a link to the playlist or songs that they used?

[@CardmarketMagic]

We don't have an exact Playlist, but there are many tracks we reuse. Of there is a specific track you would like to know, give me a time stamp and I'll look it up for you :)

[@fushioon]

@@CardmarketMagic That's really nice of you, thanks! Could you tell me the tracks used in 9:15 and 34:20?

[@CardmarketMagic]

@@fushioon First track: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5yXlYahqNKfnrs&ab_channel=CurtisCole-Topic Second Track: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fondfZWLYtSZi5o&ab_channel=NbdyNprtnt-Topic

[@lordgreystaff6639]

I just watched Yellow Hat get asked if Dimir was good in pioneer. He said something in French, I don’t know what he said, but I don’t think it was good. Prove them wrong Dimir!

[@auskiski]

Awesome match

[@chriswright2568]

This aligns with the control match historically. UW is the better deck against creatures (better targeted removal and definitely sweepers), better ways to deal with artifacts and enchantments, but in the mirror, hand destruction + counter-magic is better. UB is THE draw-go archetype, does very well versus combo finishers and other control decks, but is less good at board control. No surprises here. Note, UB has not really been a control option in Legacy for a very long time because they all play Forces, have access to Flusterstorm for combo, but UB cannot manage resolved permanents on the board as efficiently and consistently. Great match, nice display of one angle of Pioneer!

[@wastastroma8075]

40:54 Sorin should have gone to one loyalty (one human hit him)

[@z00k42]

well, with Orchish Bowmaster for now the matter is settled!

[@kremplchek]

Damn this was good to watch. I kind a new at MTG, so of course I have a question. How could Arne deal damage directly to Andrea at 23:43 with March of Wretched Sorrow (March of Wretched Sorrow deals X damage to target creature or planeswalker and you gain X life.) What am I missing. Can someone explain. Thank u in advance.

[@CardmarketMagic]

He did not deal it to Andrea directly. They shortcutted (which is unfortunate, since this video I always instruct our guests to explain their plays more clearly 😅). Arne targeted one of his own sharks, and, on the stack, the mana value is X+1. He made a giant shark end of turn and attacked for lethal

[@wolfwoodgamer5814]

Great content

[@mikep8981]

Talking here from the states, what sleeves are used in this game? If only available elsewhere could I know just the brand?

[@CardmarketMagic]

They are Dragon Shields. Bur the specific sleeves here are from a custom collaboration between Cardmarket & Dragon Shield and are only available in Europe.

[@Michael-ft5bm]

Azorius is my guess. My first two color deck was Dimir (from original Ravnica). I rode that combo throughout my time playing, and have since moved on to Grixis. And as much as it hurts my Grixis heart to say Azorius wins, I just don’t think Dimir has the right kind of love that it needs to compete with Teferi, Emperor, Dovin’s Veto, or Supreme Verdict.

[@TimmytheSorcerer]

Its good to see a player like Andrea also make a mistake like the rest of us 🤓 Great match so far

[@Travchka]

Please, what's the song that start at 27:08 ? Was a blast to watch

[@CardmarketMagic]

I wish I could tell you, but we have an artlist subscription and when I downloaded the songs onto my computer, I renamed them all to things like "Chill 2-step long buildup trumpets bridge ends abrupt" 😅

[@tkalle1299]

Mengu never drawing Teferi was so painful

[@joshperrin5013]

Petition for a rematch (with updated lists)

[@pattywompus9332]

Video Idea!! Traditional zombies deck vs a humans deck with Rick, Steadfast Leader (and other TWD cards). A lore-fest mini game!

[@DackKija]

The gates of Feature Match Live have been breached. Arne has been unleashed onto the edited videos and not even the pros can stand in his way. I blame Toffel and upper management for this.

[@msaunders9014]

I love playing Dimir, but unfortunately, Azorious is just sooooo much better😢

[@hahayes1072]

exciting gameplay