BMW M4 v AMG C63 S track test and performance review

[@SteveC-Aus]

This guy is one of the best car reviewers I’ve seen and he can actually drive, love your work Atko, hope to see a lot more of these track tests!

[@CarExpertAus]

Thanks for the feedback! More to come 😁

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks Steve, appreciate the feedback.

[@andyramone8497]

Svery well said.

[@RedPanda555]

That’s what you get with a well spoken, professional racing driver 😉

[@eddieneedsboost]

Like an Aussie Tsuchiya lol

[@SteveC-Aus]

Finally a car channel realizes that enthusiasts don't need track reviews ruined with music, engine sound is enough! :)

[@Grvmps]

Another great review! Well done to CE and Atko because having someone of Atko's calibre doing these tests really does show what these cars can do and gives us plebs a chance to see them in action and pushed to their limits!

[@CarExpertAus]

Thanks! Atko is an incredible driver 😁

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks mate, had a lot of fun doing this one!

[@TonyStark-cq2ld]

So refreshing to see a proper driver critically and fairly assess a car. And, of course, drive it to the limit.

[@Grant_Ferstat]

Best combination of reviewer/driver out there for sure.

[@CarExpertAus]

Agreed! Atko is a legend 😁

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks Grant, appreciate it!

[@SteveC-Aus]

Camera work is amazing, so good to see the gauges as well!

[@CarExpertAus]

Thank you!

[@parassharma3878]

Didn't even realise the video was 17 plus minutes long. Very engaging and so well presented.

[@carbon_wavelight]

Wow the sound of that twin turbo V8. Great video. Man, that guy can really drive! Would love to see the new Elantra N when it's available

[@christopherreid9374]

Great to see a battle between two cars on the track. Very engaging! Keep up the aweomse reviews Atko.

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks for that, will do!

[@edgarchieng2130]

Awesome review, love both cars and he sums it up perfectly, one is a street cruiser and the other is obviously the more athletic one (both looks and performance). Atko's a straight shooter knows exactly what he talks about and not reading out scripts from a typical car journalist page book. Keep up the great work.

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks mate, appreciate it.

[@mcbedeakin]

Great review Atko! Very well articulated opinion on the different characteristics of the two cars.

[@CarExpertAus]

Thanks for watching !

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks for that! Appreciate the feedback.

[@goprob1]

It used to be great to follow an Aussie in the WRC years ago! Thanks Chris! You were awesome. The M4 definately looks better in the flesh rather than on a screen. Agreed its not as fluid as the previous model but it does grow on you. Fantastic review.

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks mate, crazy how time flies.

[@bigcus8176]

Loving Atkos work. Really great insights into both cars. 👍🏻👌🏻

[@CarExpertAus]

Agreed! He’s a ripper.

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks mate!

[@grizzle273463]

Very very good and objective review. I own a 2022 M4 but initially I truly thought the AMG would have edged out the BMW. If they used the same tires the AMG would have been much closer. Thumbs up!

[@anwarhamoude2637]

Nice review! AMG needs a set of aftermarket wheels and track tires. Daily driving my base model sedan I’m running Continental SportContact 6, 19x9.5 with 265/35ZR19 on the front and 20x11 with 295/30ZR20 on the rear. (I had to pull the rear fender.) Wheels and tires make an incredible difference. Also stock turbos can hit 21psi with a retune. And the non-S is 300 pounds lighter. More competitive on the track. I’ve heard 315/325 fit the rear of the coupe with no modification to the body. Supercar 3R are the best choice for track tires on C63. I like C63 sedan better than the coupe. For a coupe the AMG GT C looks like a great choice.

[@olik9388]

I just fitted Michelin PS 4S 305/30R20 on my C63 S Coupe with no issue at all. It fills the rear guards beautifully and it looks much nicer from the back with the pumped out fat tyres.

[@cameron6642]

What an awesome video, really well done.

[@CarExpertAus]

Thanks for watching!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks Cameron!

[@peter.joseph]

This was a fantastic review, never really liked Aussie car reviews, but this one is a game changer. Liked and subscribed, great to have something local! I also happen to be in the market for a M4 atm, albeit a F82 not a G82.

[@CarExpertAus]

Thanks for watching!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Awesome to hear Peter! Don't think you can go wrong with either of them.

[@nathanleuzzi9502]

Amazing review. Well done. Loved hearing about the different settings and what works best.

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks Nathan. I really had to spend some time to figure out the best settings in these two, but it was worth while.

[@wass006]

This was awesome review, what a talented driver

[@sgagetti]

Great, technical review

[@CarExpertAus]

Thanks for watching!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks!

[@julietaylor2685]

Best track reviews. Period

[@lordcaptain73]

What a mad Beemer. Looks better to my eye when it’s moving than the still photos did. Also, that interior is wonderful

[@CarExpertAus]

Agreed!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Yeah love the interior and the exterior is better in real life. Personally I would go the 4 Door M3.

[@sly9263]

@@chrisatkinson7431 agreed- I think the BMW interiors are more refined looking while mercedes look pretty tacky/ricey even.

[@se7engold]

Thanks Atko, really enjoy your review. I love that you explain every aspect in driving the cars, and I learn something new today.

[@manupaugustine5259]

Finally some good track comparison from Australia, good job guys

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks Manu!

[@DBSMotorsport]

Cracking review, Atko! Great stuff.

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks Guys

[@emmanuelthomas6107]

I love your review buddy you're the best reviewer

[@askinerdogan]

Mr Atkinson you do a very great job out there and we have to give you credit cause you have a respectable fit body shape

[@caribbeanseas]

The old f82 M4 comp was faster around a track than the c63…..I mean was anyone really surprised that it got raped by the new M4

[@mahmoudhakem7642]

Language bruh

[@emmanuelthomas6107]

Very honest reviews

[@bajov2004]

Fantastic review!!!!!

[@CarExpertAus]

Glad you liked it!

[@stephenborchart6437]

👍Thumbs up, loving Atko’s addition and thoughts on your car tests. Ps when’s he getting back into Rallying in Australia? Still my favourite when he was in the WRC👍

[@CarExpertAus]

Good question!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks Stephen! I have been looking into it a little bit lately. If the right opportunity comes up, I would be very keen.

[@michaelhart5886]

@@chrisatkinson7431 great listening the other day regarding your podcast with Greg Rust

[@PhantomMark]

Be nice to see you drive the Alfa Quadrifoglio tbh :) Been a BMW man for years, but loving the Alfa on track, I found it very easy to keep in touch with an F series M4 Competition recently, pretty sure I could have gone quicker as well tbh ?

[@hass1005]

To my knowledge M4 comp comes in AWD but can be configured RWD… not sure which one you guys had never less I feel you could’ve gone faster in the M4

[@Sarncho]

M power!! Unbelievable how close it got to the GT3RS.

[@CARacterReviews]

Mercedes for me. I can't get past the M4's Rodent grill. Great review!

[@CarExpertAus]

Thanks for watching!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks for that, both options are great and the Mercedes nails it for everyday use and a lot of fun.

[@roseracinggt]

Great review Atko! Is there a review coming soon with the new i30N DCT?

[@CarExpertAus]

Sure is!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks for that! Yep, i30N DCT is coming soon.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

The M4 really is incredible. And in the hands of a pro.... Wow! But from no angle is it even remotely attractive. So I'd plump for the Alfa or a Cayman, or walk (yes it is that ugly). Great video!!!!!!!!!

[@CarExpertAus]

😅 fair enough!

[@pastorofmuppets8834]

Yep me too

[@carseyeadmire]

Definitely agree

[@philcliffe6909]

Me too. I had planned on getting the 4WD M4 until I saw how it looked. The only good angle for me is the back.

[@loser125555]

@@philcliffe6909 none of y’all have probbaly seen it in person. I have a f82. Went into the dealer for a service after seeing the new g82 I now have a isle of green m4. Looks amazing in person.

[@emmanuelthomas6107]

Awsome job 👏

[@emmanuelthomas6107]

Mercedes is my pick

[@donaldchia2178]

Love to see Porsche 718 Cayman S 2.5ltr turbo V.S. Porsche 981 Cayman S comparison please. Keep up the great reviews!

[@marianolopezrivelo5975]

My previous car was a C63 w205 LCI and I just acquired an M4 competion ( yet on the break in period). In my opinion,The M4 is a better daily driver: more roomy,more confortable when driving in comfort. The AT way more sweet and enough speedy for me.

[@amadeonovoa1616]

BMW M4 HAS AMAZING PERFORMANCE!!!!

[@zmc2046]

i bought this car. good to see it been to the track already :)

[@benjaminwingchun9665]

mk6 R review as I've heard too many mk6r vs mk7r arguments about which one is the better drivers car(assuming they had equal power of course), and you're a real driver😂 Would be good to see how the old C63 goes against the newer C63s you just reviewed, people say they were great on track back in the day

[@notbahhhdgoodsize5793]

Word of a dive from an f80 owner not sure if g80 is the same but leave the steering in comfort if your trying to get sideways

[@dhiquobgnaloo]

M 4 is a beast but couldnt live with that front grill give me the previous M4 front end.

[@alexs3187]

I love it. I normally find Bimmers a little on the bland side.

[@fzr1000981]

In dark blue it's fine. Ordered

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

Great vid. Blistering time from the M4, let's hope BMW can chip away at the steering feel.

[@CarExpertAus]

Just a crazy time - very impressed!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Because the rest of the car is so good, you do forget about it. But could have been truly incredible.

[@garytilley3217]

Choices. It would be nice to have either in the garage

[@samy4288]

OMG if I had $150000 spare I would go with AMG. Hopefully in the next 75years 🥴

[@Marc-nc9yv]

M4 with xdrive next please

[@brainsmatterpodcast]

Is that some artificially piped in engine sounds into the interior I hear?

[@geoffwatches]

Probably, there are in the previous gen m4

[@CarExpertAus]

Yes for the bmw!

[@vincentbaelde-millar670]

You forgot to mention the main difference; One is a car and the other is a beaver.

[@K_Mag]

Question Atko do you miss rally cross ?

[@CarExpertAus]

Good question! Will let Atko get back to you.

[@K_Mag]

@@CarExpertAus thank you so much!

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Yeah it would be great to still be doing it! The cars are incredible to drive and the racing is so intense! let's see what the future brings.

[@K_Mag]

@@chrisatkinson7431 love to see you back in a race car soon hopefully

[@emmanuelthomas6107]

BMW's sound is awesome

[@Malc664]

I may be wrong, but it looks like your turn-ins to the apex is slightly early which slows you down a bit. It's hard to judge with the given camera angles. And will the race setting in AMG be quicker even if more uncomfortable?

[@chrisatkinson7431]

I noticed that myself also... I did the fastest lap on my first lap in both cars, and only have 4 timed laps to get a time. I would have tried different lines on the other laps but couldn't beat that time, which may be due to tyre temp or track temp as well. So you are literally seeing my first ever flying lap in both cars, which means I may not have gotten the lines perfect.

[@mervyn2316]

Do you use go pros or dji action camera's for your internal and car mounted shots? Cheers

[@CarExpertAus]

GoPros 😄

[@mervyn2316]

@@CarExpertAus image quality is tops 👌

[@SR2Dream]

This is the 2020 C63S facelift against the all new BMW? The new 2022 C63s arriving middle next year but still crazy review and skill

[@CarExpertAus]

Sure is!

[@Dave-gl6jb]

What did GR Rallye get on this track. Love to see that.😎 PS M4comp BMW nailed the car when your sat in it. Just close your eyes when walking past the grill.😉

[@RyRyMTD]

I don’t think they’ve tracked the Rallye edition yet but the standard GR Yaris clocked a 1:01.59

[@Dave-gl6jb]

Yeah saw that video. Hope they get Rallye soon. My guess he will get around 58 sec or 59 sec.

[@RyRyMTD]

@@Dave-gl6jb Last time I was out at QR running the sprint circuit there were a few heavily modified Yaris’. The best of running a mid 57. So I’d assume a standard Rallye would run around a 59ish.

[@Dave-gl6jb]

Spot on.

[@Dave-gl6jb]

1 RyRy Richard. Do you know how high modded. Power level same. Just Tyres Suspension and maybe lower weight ? Thanks for your reply.

[@dsuhiti1718]

C63 has always been the bogan option, sounds good and chews rear tires…that’s about it.

[@olik9388]

If you want a track car you buy a BMW. However, tyres are everything on a track and the C63 was at a huge disadvantage on the Supersport tyres. They're not even the best road tyre from Michelin. It's the first thing I changed when I bought my C63 S Coupe (to 305/30R20 Pilot Sport 4S on the rear). The next thing is to remove the electronic LSD and replace it with a mechanical LSD that doesn't rely on electrical inputs, causing delay and confusion as to what it needs to be doing. The BMW is also a track focused car. It has a carbon roof, whereas the Mercedes has a massive glass sunroof at the highest point of the car, which is the worst place to add weight for stable cornering dynamics. If anyone knows a good fabricator that can replace the glass roof with a carbon piece please let me know.

[@be.ceo.]

Special tyres for track days 'Cup2' vs the worst sports tyres 'pilot super sport'. For me comparison hasn't done as it should be done on track. I drive bmw m2 on pilot sport 4s btw.

[@billymania11]

I drive my M2 with Sport Cup 2's. Even during winter. It's not as bad as people say. Michelin pays careful attention to tire balance on Cup 2's. They why they need so little in the way of wheel weights and balancing. Going 120 MPH with no wheel vibration is amazing.

[@ilya4759]

Would be nice to see if the MxDrive version is faster

[@gamingvlogst2674]

bmw looks like Camry in the back if u look from a distance

[@artheesh02]

The petrol particle filter is annoying. Thank god I don't have it on my c63s

[@emmanuelthomas6107]

For a family guy merc is awesome

[@swanblake]

Love the C63 S so much. Sounds and looks fantastic. It requires more driving skill than the digital M4. Was shocked at how little skill it took to drive the new M3/M4. Then there is the hideous looks of the M4. Crazy that they weigh the same despite the BMW being down two cylinders

[@edgarchieng2130]

What about the new M4 that is so digital that the C63s isn't? The AMG has just as much traction control settings as the M4 does. The performance and the weight of the new M4 comes down to all the structural and chassis improvement they've done on the car which has nothing to do with the weight of the engine.

[@kidnapthemoneyy01]

the upcoming c63s will weight 250kg more than the m4 lmao

[@fastanfun]

Full of false statements…

[@HughRussell06]

I prefer the AMG (though I’d get the sedan or wagon)

[@CarExpertAus]

Wagon would be the best...but, there's an M3 wagon coming. That would do me just nicely.

[@HughRussell06]

@@CarExpertAus yeah I prefer the c63 mainly because of the V8 but in terms of the next gen c63 vs m3 I’ll take the m3

[@brainsmatterpodcast]

Wagons are definitely the go!

[@paulhenner8914]

WOW The M4 is only beaten by a GT3 that is esteemed company its keeping

[@billymania11]

The Mercedes is long in the tooth and the BMW is fresh. The results speak for themselves. On styling, the BMW grill is polarizing for sure. It looks good on the M4 GT3 race car however.

[@hansfu2999]

Tesla model 3 Performance, please.

[@ismaylovailaheismaylovaila901]

mercedes king😎

[@henzo7087]

CUP 2 R tires and GT3 RS is smoked. TOP AUTO BMW

[@imSchwaggy]

c63s is like a real hotrod, BIG bad monstrous engine, small car and the m3 is just a safe sporty car. different purposes i know, but still. i wish bmw would be more risky. im a bmw guy, but the merc's are getting better and better (even tho they claim no more v8s lol) edit: + that bmw is absolutely HIDEOUS its awful. makes me sad every time i see them .

[@jerrydino1310]

Lol G82 was not even on sport plus😂😂😂 Bimmer is no joke. That V8 had one Job ... One. Beat 6 inline 3.0

[@Flaming-Hedgehog]

Good to see you and your mad right foot again Atko! 👍 I hoped the M4 front would grow on me but the exact opposite seems to be happening. The more I see it the more I feel sorry for it with that terrible birth defect. Predicting the amount of these to be found at coffee n cars in thirty years time could be counted on an amputated hand. Pity really as it is a weapon, albeit a very ugly clown faced one. "Get it out of my sight" - J Clarkson

[@CarExpertAus]

😅

[@chrisatkinson7431]

Thanks mate... had a lot of fun with these 2.

[@borinvlogs]

Tesla Model 3 Performance?

[@R26Roman]

If you love comparing lap times then you clearly love to bench race and think that's what is always going to happen. I would rather choose a car with soul and character that is remembered years later then just laptimes.

[@marioslipsos7756]

Even the F82 was faster in track from C63

[@marsallen4298]

I would take the C63 over the new M4 for looks but ill take the F82 M4 over the C63 for looks

[@ErectkyleDysfunction]

I dont mind this hybrid bullshit but completely ceasing to sell v8s just gets on my nerves

[@watersheep5526]

The M4 is all wheel drive

[@Aman-sj8ys]

Dude destroyed the tyres of the AMG before the main lap and then complained about traction 💀

[@Limitbreakur]

The BMW looks like a caricature of Bugs Bunny

[@mahfuzhassan3779]

long live the ang v8

[@supaahflyy]

Who's Chris atko?

[@CarExpertAus]

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[@supaahflyy]

@@CarExpertAus brilliant. Thanks. Makes sense, his in depth talk on the dynamics of the car was cool to hear.

[@michaelhart5886]

Go to rustys garage podcast as his latest is with Chris

[@phahadwire4422]

I dont know why people deny the fact that bmw is better than mercedes

[@Pringlebox]

Mercedes is usually more powerful, it depends what you’re looking for from a car

[@bobajob1601]

That BMW looks stupid with the plate on the front and the merc as always looks like a banana!🤣🤣

[@CarExpertAus]

😅

[@fixblackjack3921]

ใครชนะอะครับ bmw หรอ

[@ahmadrizki4649]

translate indonesia plis :)

[@joedaley4814]

the merc engine is absolute garbage on the ear haha

[@pastorofmuppets8834]

Almost makes up for that face

[@CarExpertAus]

😅

[@lambolife2908]

C63 is a dog, can’t compare Amg to M …