2025 Toyota Crown Signia Review || A Better Hybrid SUV Than RAV4 or Lexus?

2025 Toyota Crown Signia Hybrid Review. We review and test drive the 2025 Toyota Crown Signia to find out if it is the best hybrid SUV to buy. We compare the Toyota Crown Signia to the Toyota RAV4 Hybrid and Lexus NX 350h to see which is the best one to buy. 2025 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid vs Toyota Crown Signia vs Lexus NX 350h? If you want to buy a hybrid SUV, make sure to watch this review.
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[@chesterkuo3646]

Can't wait for the Lexus NX350h comparison

[@Hallowsaw]

45k for base model, pass. Then you have to pay a buttload more for a sound system and no ventilated seats on a 45k car. Wild

[@jaimieconroy36]

I have seen Rav4 hybrids selling for the same price and most of of them sold in North America are not made on Japan.

[@codincoman9019]

It's not that the Toyota cars got expensive, it's that the Bidenomics (namely the big inflation) ate into the value of your money. Other good producers increased their prices, only clunkers' price decreased or remained on the same level.

[@matrix-fh9tn]

Yes, you need to go for Limited to get JBL, but the XLE does come with front ventilated seats and heated rear seats standad.

[@steveprinty5674]

And there is no spare tire. 🤨

[@fyffitness]

Yeah I think the Rav 4 is the better buy.

[@ctclardy]

I must admit that it is an aesthetically handsome car, but I do not think the price increase over the Venza justifies its purchase. Toyota has simply gone off the rails on its price increases for its new 2025 models.

[@Marcus-id5ur]

It's bigger than the Venza. Usually you pay more for size.

[@ohcanadaeh]

@@Marcus-id5ur Signia - 240 hp, 4200 lbs, 196.1 inch long, cargo volume - 24.8 cu ft Venza - 219 hp, 3900 lbs, 186.6 inch long, cargo volume - 28.8 cu ft. Look at these spec, I am not sure the bigger Signia offers that much more than the Venza. Not to mention it does not come with HUD, power tilt steering, star gazer panoramic sun roof which the Venza Limited has. The additional 20 hp of the Signia will not do much when it is 300 lbs heavier than the Venza.

[@Marcus-id5ur]

@@ohcanadaeh that's cargo capacity with seats up. Seats down Signia is 67-69 cubic feet. I think Venza is something like 55 cubic feet. When you aren't lugging kids around, those are important numbers. The size of the Venza automatically eliminated it from consideration for us.

[@ctclardy]

@@Marcus-id5ur It is 7" longer, 1" wider, and 6" lower in height than the Venza, yet from like models it is anywhere from $3600 to $5100 more expensive with comparable equipment. That sounds like a lot more price for just a little more size.

[@Marcus-id5ur]

@ctclardy not really. Highlander has about 14 more cubic feet than the Rav4 but base models are about 10k apart.

[@deepcow]

I hate the low-profile tires, They’re more expensive to replace and they don’t handle as well in rough conditions.

[@janjachymiak9013]

I agree, low profile is good for the track, absolute garbage for everyday driving.

[@silentpriority]

apparently can replace it with 19" from the crown. Good for winter tire buying

[@genzigzag]

Nice wagon, but at $60k CAD with no base trim, no thanks. The Venza was a Lexus-lite hybrid bargain starting at $44k CAD. I think Toyota may have missed the mark.

[@zenon3021]

2024 Santa Fe hybrid is 48k CAD total after taxes (for the base trim). 34mpg too. Will it last as long as the Toyota? Nope, but for 48k it doesn't have to :P

[@vikvc]

@@zenon3021but then you can find used Jeep Liberty with squarish bodies too for a much cheaper price. Will they last? Maybe longer than the new Saint Faiths, but who knows.

[@powerguymark]

I truly enjoy your videos. I consider you an honest source of information which is rare in this day and age. Wish you would have done a head-to-head vs the outgoing Venza. On paper it appears to have a smidge more HP and although the Venza's towing capacity is listed as zero, in actuality it is the same as the RAV4 hybrid. That being said no one's buying a Toyota hybrid for its towing capacity. Honestly I would rather have the faux leather seats due to their longevity, durability and ease of maintenance over actual leather. Bottom line: I'm just not seeing enough of a benefit to tempt me to trade in my Venza or my RAV4 hybrid. TOYOTA HYBRIDS RULE

[@carhelpcorner]

Thank you! I would have done a comparison with the Venza but unfortunately Toyota has already ended production of the Venza.

[@eddunavant3686]

For the price it should have a heads up display and power tilt steering wheel. Two important features for me.

[@playergameplayz1755]

The reason why the crown signia is replacing the venza is because the toyota SUV lineup is being too crowded

[@jaimieconroy36]

That's the truth, but Toyota still offers sedans like the Corolla and Camry. Many automakers have only SUV'S and trucks in their lineup.

[@duchungtran9914]

Thanks Shari. I have been waiting for your review of this model. A powerful cross-over with 240 hp almost close to a V6 with no turbo engine is something I seriously consider buying. I love its interiors, too.

[@davidvanaert6934]

I am considering purchasing a Crown Signia because of the towing capacity and the Toyota hybrid powertrain. I have a jet ski we tow every summer and I don't want to purchase a massive 3 row SUV or truck to do so. There's not a lot of 2 row SUVs that offer some towing capacity, an elevated interior and a hybrid powertrain. 2700 lb. towing capacity is a much more capable maximum than the RAV4 offers. I considered a Mazda CX-70 but it's essentially a CX-90 minus the 3rd row. To top it off I think the Signia is a stylish, unique looking vehicle.

[@marioguisado2322]

Same boat as you. The CX70 is too big. The RAV4 isn’t as nice on the inside and the Lexus does nothing for me. So left with this because it has a mix of luxury, big but not huge and the fuel economy of a hybrid. Who knows might just end up with a Land Cruiser.

[@dave1956]

I can’t wait to see and drive one. I will soon be in the market for a replacement for my 2018 Honda CR-V. I have never been a huge fan of a hybrid vehicle but admittedly I haven’t driven one in quite a while. I do know that the design of Toyota’s hybrid system is superior to Honda’s. When I was working we had loaner vehicles. We had a 2005 Prius and a 2004 Civic hybrid. My employer eventually sold the Honda to his daughter. As the vehicle aged the battery pack required replacement. We did the work in our shop and the cost of the battery was about half the value of the vehicle. At least in those years when the battery pack ages the vehicle becomes unusable. The Prius hybrid system would continue to function long after the battery began to fail.

[@orlandovelastegui1391]

Don’t understand why would I want a vehicle like A RAV4, CRV, Venza, NX for towing ??? If I want a vehicle for towing I’ll buy a Toyota 4Runner!!!!

[@carhelpcorner]

Some just need a bit of towing for something like a jet ski or bike so this does the job.

[@bilalbasit]

It’s still a very good option to have even with a crossover SUV. Sometimes it really helps.

[@timvibes]

The 4Runner is a body on frame, which generally means it will firmer than a unibody. Also, some people don't wanna tow that much anyway. I'm just explaining some logic so that you "understand'

[@jamesnicol3831]

Happy I got a 2024 base venza

[@graftedfan]

currently getting 40mpg in our suv hybrid for $35,000 with a panoramic moonroof

[@spyderlogan4992]

21" low profile tires on the Limited Edition...Why is it that the entire driving population in the world know that low profile tires are garbage for everyday driving and the design engineers at Toyota do not? And no powered telescoping steering wheel for preset adjustments for different drivers?

[@KP-uj1wf]

I prefer the Venza! Get one while you still can!

[@saadtheman1]

for me its perfect because its hybrid and reliable and plus it will hold their resell value good

[@ztekz]

While Signia is nice, it looks more of a hatchback than SUV. IMO, for a $60K vehicle it should’ve been the entry level Lexus over the UXH for a slightly lower pricing. It’s too expensive for a Toyota given it’s only a 5-passenger and its size. If it’s any indication, look at the Crown sedan launched in 2023 which didn’t sell in huge volumes same with Venza (now gone). To make it worse, this is more expensive than the prev 2 models - so this Signia is a niche vehicle. Folks looking for more comfort, nicer materials and lower NVH, with a starting price tag of $60K will gravitate towards a Lexus. Unfortunately, badge matters to folks paying those higher prices! This won’t sell in huge volumes and you will only be paying a premium for exclusivity or rarity like the Venza over the RAV4 which is impractical! Not a Toyota hater here just not impressed by this new model!

[@codincoman9019]

Yes, Lexus is a better badge choice for those who care about appearance. But wealthy people that want to be low profile may go for the Crown.

[@Marcus-id5ur]

Sure it might be a bit niche, but that's why they are only making 20k of them a year. Just so happens that we fit in that niche and would seriously consider this for my wife. No kids so don't need 3 rows, yet we like the space for road trips. Much more premium than a Rav4, yet cheaper and more storage capacity than any Lexus you want to compare it to. This isn't for Lexus people, it's for Rav4 people who wish they could be Lexus people.

[@codincoman9019]

@@Marcus-id5ur , nope. Because of the very small price difference, the wannabes (looking rich when they are not) will still go for Lexus. On the contrary, wealthy people that want to look of lower level (hide their affluence) may very well go for this Crown.

[@brandononbrand]

RAV4 for the betas... Crown Signia for the Sigmas

[@chillnndc]

I noticed u keep comparing it to the NX. This is more compatible to the RX since it is actually larger than the RX

[@ohcanadaeh]

Yes, the Signia is 194.1 inch long and the NX is 183.5 inch long. RX is 192.5 inch long. It is closer to the RX than NX in term of size.

[@carhelpcorner]

Closer to the RX in size but closer to the NX in price.

[@dushyantravi6549]

@@ohcanadaehdo you know if the Signia has larger cargo space than the RAV4 with the rear seats up? What about rear legroom and headroom? I think RAV4 has more space but confused because Signia is supposed to be longer and wider right?

[@ytong6151]

@@dushyantravi6549crown Signia has larger rear seat space than rav4. Take it as a wagon version of Highlander.

[@SenecaRaine]

As someone who would've bought the Venza but was torn on the never-open sunroof, I wish this was similarly closer to Rav4 territory in pricing. This feels like it's competing against a Lexus instead, which is probably great for anyone who doesn't have a local Lexus dealer...but I'd have a hard time dropping 50k on an SUV.

[@timmyp14]

Yeah tbh the fixed pano roof was a deal breaker for me too. :( I’m gonna wait for Mazda cx50 hybrid to come out!

[@Marcus-id5ur]

But it is in Rav4 pricing territory. A fully loaded Rav4 goes for 45k. A base Signia, which is hardly barebomes, goes for 44k.

[@stayconsistentandhumble8463]

Thankful for my $34k Venza

[@cargopilot747]

At 7:17 the nav screen looks well integrated with the other instrumentation. So often, the nav displays look like an afterthought. "Oops, we forgot something. Let's just make a slot, and bury a tablet halfway into it."

[@BADMAN121able]

Not a bad vehicle at all but with that price tag? you might as well just buy a Lexus.

[@vikvc]

This is the vehicle you’ll be able to buy from an older retired person who cannot longer drive, and not from the stealership.

[@me109cito5]

🤣Funny, but most likely true.

[@R3c0nf1gur3d]

Do you like ambient lighting vehicles? What do you think of Toyota not putting any at all in the new Crown?

[@Braceman]

yeah nice car but 50,000 plus is getting to expensive for most people. Toyota on most of there cars are way much higher in price than ever before.

[@Marcus-id5ur]

This car isn't for most people.

[@Braceman]

@@Marcus-id5ur you’re missing the point, it’s a Toyota should be reasonable for most people.

[@Marcus-id5ur]

@Braceman so Toyota only makes cheap cars? Says who? They are only planning on building 20k of these a year, they have no intention of making them for everyone.

[@Braceman]

@@Marcus-id5ur that is not what I’m saying about Toyota. Total used to have reasonable price cars not today is what I’m saying.

[@Marcus-id5ur]

@Braceman Camry starts under 30k. Corolla even cheaper. Are they not reasonably priced in today's market?

[@sandyclyburn5675]

Why are they using the bi-polar Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) battery and not the lithium ion?

[@jean-philippeperetti8463]

This car is nice and everything but I'm retired and my yearly income (I'm in Canada) is lower than the cost of the vehicle. Is there a time in the future where good cars are made more affordable? Industrialized countries are soaked in greed. Is there a breaking point somewhere?

[@mikej238]

Should have budgeted for a new car before you retired. Proper retirement planning. You can buy a Corolla Hybrid for much less

[@lionintu]

​@@mikej238sheesh bro that was harsh

[@mikej238]

@@lionintu that's life, wife and I retired 3 years ago. We made sure we had money for all major purchases we knew we needed. 50 g for a new car., bought it last year. And I too am in Canuckistan

[@georgesadek1203]

I would buy Lexus NX instead of this car. Both cars close in pricing. But, Lexus is a luxury car.

[@HarmonsHarbor]

This is bigger than both the NX and RX.

[@craigo2142]

I think it is a good looking wagon. My only complaint would be price and size. I wish Toyota would come out with a hybrid wagon that would be a great size for urban runaround. Ux is too limited in space and Corolla Cross is too bare bones.

[@billyrock8305]

Toyota. Topgun#1. 🥇 Currently this is far superior than the former champion the old RAV4. Far superior than the tiny Lexus NX 350h. The only serious competitor to the Signia is the incredible all new CRV Hybrid. When the all new redesigned RAV4 ships later this year I expected it will regain its #1 spot. Rankings: 1) CRV Hybrid 2) Signia 3) RAV4 4) Lexus 350h

[@orlandovelastegui1391]

You’re wrong the best vehicle is the Toyota Venza !!

[@orlandovelastegui1391]

I like the Toyota Venza because i seat high up than the Toyota Crown.!! The Crown is not a SUV it’s a Station Wagon! I Have a Toyota Venza 2022 and I rather trade it in for a Toyota Venza 2024 Limited.

[@codincoman9019]

Placing Honda above Toyota and Lexus contradicts reality (heck, even Mazda is above Honda nowadays). Check the statistics on reliability, low TCO etc. and come back with a realistic approach.

[@billyrock8305]

@@orlandovelastegui1391 The Venza is no longer manufactured. The review is on the Signia.

[@billyrock8305]

@@codincoman9019 Illogical and incorrect of course. 🤓

[@bennyshah4506]

Any news from 2025 Rav4 redsign yet?

[@sandyclyburn5675]

Why are they using a bi-polar Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) battery and not a lithium ion??

[@ehtostaf3286]

I was wrong. This looks legit.

[@ja6ix]

50K CAD SUV without reclining rear seats? More comfortable?

[@izwaterloo]

I am looking to get a Corolla. Is it legal in Ontario to force me purchasing "Toyota ECP Tire and Road Hazard Protection" for 12 months? In the dealership they claim that it's mandatory. Doesn't make sense to me...

[@mikej238]

243 hp vs 239 in the NX350H and 219 in R4 Hybrid

[@richarddecicco3288]

The horsepower is insignificant its' the Torque that matters

[@user-gn4so2fi1r]

I can see it to be a Venza refresh/ new generation at a higher price to justify the upgrades for a better acoustic insulation, newer hybrid generation and upgraded TSS 3.0 instead of 2.5 In comparison to Lexus NX , I’d go for Crown Signia as it’s slightly bigger and cheaper while it might end up with a very similar performance overall In comparison to Grand Highlander Hybrid, I’d go for GHH, as it’s a very comparable price (Crown Signia in Canada is available in Limited trim only) , so the GHH would have way better space/ usability and it’s being a truly SUV.

[@dannysuarez6923]

Hi, I'm considering getting a hybrid RAV4, my wife only drives 1.5 miles one way to work, so about 3 miles daily maybe a few more if she goes someplace else after work. Will a hybrid be ok with these short distances? Thanks

[@lionintu]

Wouldve been much nocer if the 2nd row seating were reclining and could slide back and forth. However i guess the battery is under the 2nd row.

[@dougklanecky9800]

I believe the 2025 Signia has the 4th Generation Toyota Hybrid system, not the 5th Generation like the 2025 Camry.

[@jaimieconroy36]

All you had to say is "made in Japan". The Crown Signia is on the top of my wish list. I would still need to test drive it. Does the Crown Signia include a spre tire?

[@richarddecicco3288]

Yes it includes a spare tire

[@carhelpcorner]

Great question. I don't believe it does.

[@lionintu]

​@richarddecicco3288 no spare inside. However a reviewer showed there's still space for a spare in the boot

[@cablebrain9691]

It really should have tinted rear windows and privacy/sun shades.

[@ilovetotri23]

I have had my eye on this vehicle. The trim level and price put it way out of my league!

[@ohcanadaeh]

I have watched a number of the Signia review and this is the only one that discuss how the Signia is compared to the RAV4 and the NX350h. Also, none of the other reviews consider the type of buyers for the Signia vs RAV4 or the NX350h. Signia is not a SUV but a wagon, it is the longest vehicle (194,1 in) among the RAV4 (180.9 in), NX350h (183.5 in) and Venza (186.6 in). It is almost as long as the Highlander (194.9 in). The buyers for the RAV 4 or Venza will not likely consider the Signia because it is a long wagon rather than a SUV, not to mention the bigger $ difference between the RAV4 and Signia vs the RAV 4and Venza. The NX350h buyers are not likely to consider the Signia because of its price and size (it is a foot longer). Will a RAV4 hybrid or NX350h buyer cross shop the Signia, not likely. I placed an order for a 2024 Venza Limited early in January this year because it makes sense to me to go for a Venza Limited instead of a RAV4 Limited hybrid, but definitely NOT a much bigger, more expensive and a wagon rather than SUV Signia. I look forward to your Signia, NX350h comparison and conclusion.

[@obedjimenez4229]

Toyota says this is a mid-size SUV but its dimensions are actually smaller than the “compact” Equinox EV (I know its an EV) except for the overall length.

[@ThePowersil]

Thank you for the video. I was really looking forward to this vehicle but after watching multiple videos, its quite disappointing that this falls short in a few areas: 1. Seems you get a lot less for the price 2. No standard moon roof on XLE! 3. No tinted windows ! 4. Interior looks ordinary 5. No power adjust for steering. 6. 21 inch wheels causing rough ride 7. Head room not great. Outgoing Avalon had way more features and luxury (except awd) than this one! Why would anyone get this over say the highlander? Or even the Rav?

[@Marcus-id5ur]

It's more premium. Other than that, you are right, other two are more practical, but some people are looking for premium and will pay more for it.

[@hbdarji]

I hate that it doesn't have power adjustable steering. I mean if I'm paying $45-50k I expect it to have it at least. Also, it's trying to enter the Lexus price range but not exactly providing that luxury. I would buy the limited if at all but I need to test drive first.

[@ThePowersil]

@@hbdarji exactly. I don't think this is really worth the price tag. Don't see any real premium features.

[@acsquare24]

This Crown Signia will replace Venza. It's more expensive but missing several features in Venza: HUD, powered steering wheel, reclining 2nd-row seats, and spare tire (despite having a larger cargo area). Am I missing something from Toyota's product strategy🤔?

[@alexanderkrichevsky9194]

It is certainly not a better hybrid SUV. It is not an SUV at all. It's a wagon, Camry wagon. Nothing wrong with wagons of course.

[@gervonniejones4045]

What was the point of getting rid of the venza when the signia is no bigger but more luxurious an cost more they should’ve kept the venza an upgraded it when it was going to get a 3rd generation

[@expsterm1]

price between the RAV 4 and the Lexus, so if you don't want to pay the Lexus price

[@S.L.S-407]

Toyota has raised prices for their 2025 models. I guess they didn't get the message that repo's are at a very high rate and people can't afford new cars. I keep my cars for between 14 to 15 years so why would I even consider an EV when their batteries only last, at best, 8 years ? If you are financing why would you pay the current ludicrous interest rates ? Hold off for a year and you might actually make a sensible deal. PLUS, on Toyotas website they have a banner that says supply issues can affect shipping delays and inventory. Perhaps if Toyota didn't deliberately keep their inventory low they wouldn't be facing this problem .

[@HS99876]

In this price range, I would go for Audi A5 or A4 Allroad, or wait for new 2025 A5. Turbo engine, No CVT!!!

[@adam-bf3mi]

I definitely don’t agree with the constant comparison with the RAV4. They’re different segments of the car market. So why not just buy RAV4 over a Lexus NX. You wouldn’t even compare those two models.

[@ChrisRobato]

Sounds too expensive. When you're getting into Lexus territory buy a Lexus instead. That's been the fate of every Toyota that's been on the Lexus borderline.

[@skincareaddicted]

I think some ppl worry about the higher maintenance costs for Lexus. This is why i won’t get a Lexus but prefer these higher end Toyotas

[@codincoman9019]

This Crown Signia is perfect for low profile, pragmatic, affluent (wealthy) people that want to hide such a luxurious (Lexus style), reliable, refined car under the inconspicuous Toyota badge, avoiding thus an enhanced exposure with a Lexus one. That's why its sales will be low - because this car doesn't appeal to nowadays "show off" people, that want to exhibit richness (even if they are rather close to bankruptcy).

[@dhruvsharma5951]

Please make video on 2025 honda civic hybrid

[@carhelpcorner]

Coming 👍

[@SaiKumar-hu5oc]

I would pay more 5,000 usd and get the rx350

[@janc.8197]

It's much longer than the Venza, RAV4, and Lexus NX!!!

[@islanddon865]

SUV? Looks like a station wagon to me. Even a CUV is a bit of a stretch. I like the car a lot, but it's not cheap. IMHO

[@dannyaloha73]

NX 350h is very small, and not enough leg room.

[@brianwhitney9181]

Wow, does it come with a spare tire too? "NOT"😂😂😂😂

[@dannyboy8850]

The Crown Signia is over priced.

[@jsundberg5542]

why would u compare this to a rav4?????

[@c7406-q8c]

US market is graveyard of wagons. Government agency classified this new Signia as a wagon. Why so many KZbinrs introduce it as SUV? Did Toyota paid you to do that? So they can blind people?

[@Red1831B]

All these videos are marketing stuff. Who cares Sigma has production delays, we may not see in dealers until all the Venza models are sold.

[@kevinc7756]

It's as big as RX not NX.

[@vadskar64]

I think venza will be back 3rd time around. No compelling reasons to buy signia. Venza had value proposition for potential Lexus buyers. This car has really nothing. Lexus will win each time in this price range hands down. Nobody buys this kind of car to tow, or to drive around 6 feet long tree logs. You have 4 runner or excellent Toyota trucks for those. Remember my words - insignia will be a total failure. They had to continue with venza, it was excellent car for 6k!!! Less for the top trim. Venzas are flying off dealership lots when they have them.

[@ohcanadaeh]

I agree. I cross shop the Venza Limited and NX350h. In the end I ordered one in the January and it should be arriving in July. I am with you. Venza offers a much more in terms of price and features.

[@vadskar64]

@@ohcanadaeh you will not be disappointed! The limited (46k)has the same worth of features as a top nx300h for 58k. And pretty much the same ride with more trunk space.

[@vadskar64]

@@ohcanadaeh I think they killed the venza/harrier line because it was eating into nx300 sales. Thats my theory. I don’t buy their “it was a slow seller”. Dealers couldn’t get enough of them. That’s what was slowing the sales numbers. Not desirability. Everywhere else the harrier(venza) is a successful mega seller suv.

[@ohcanadaeh]

@@vadskar64 I think you are right. It is definitely eating into the sales of the NX350h and it is the better SUV to buy as long as you do not care about the badge. Venza is hard to come by and you never see them sitting on the dealer's lot waiting for buyer. There are only a limited of number of Venza shipped to North America every year. The Harrier is a big seller in Asia for Toyota and it will continue to be available beyond 2024.

[@floridaoutdooradventures8981]

For 45K, you will be better off by purchasing a 2023 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 V6, NOT the new one with that crappy V4 Turbo engine! Tacoma will give you more for your money without all that complicated hybrid technology that can will cost you a fortune to get it fixed

[@jeffreyfitch1006]

Looks way better than that ugly Rav4, even the newer Corolla Cross looks better.

[@janjachymiak9013]

How did Toyota manage to go from the best to one of the worst, and now proven unethical.

[@IslamSheik-rq4ul]

But Toyota Venza was much better looks👍

[@seethingsclearlyawaken3424]

No, the Signia is not the best SUV one can buy. Why? It's too big and long. It won't fit in most two-car garages! My 2024 Venza fits, but this Signia, based on the first generation VENZA, would not fit! UGLY! Toyota dropped the excellent 2024 Venza for this ugly Signa? How stupid!