Carlos Sr. vs Helio: The Truth About the Gracie Family History and Politics - Jiu-Jitsu School Time

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[@ricksongracie618]

I thought I was going to hate this video but it's surprisingly accurate and informative. Well done!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

no.

[@cybersecurity7466]

@@KamaJiuJitsu is this the real you?

[@JoeMoss83]

am i the real me?

[@cybersecurity7466]

@@JoeMoss83 no

[@StrikeforceJedi]

Its prob just GSP trollin.

[@firaztahar7355]

Rolls is Jon Snow 😮

[@jedijudoka]

I don’t think it’ll ever unify sadly. I think it will continue like judo: most schools focusing on sport with only a few here and there focusing on the entire art and its self defense applications.

[@adaptiveagile]

Very informative - thank you! My old teacher is a black belt under Pedro Sauer (student of Rickson). He told me that the real difference between the two camps was that Helio’s lineage was more “small guy” Jiu-Jitsu, where the Carlos side was rougher, more competitive and more athletic.

[@Ben-fx9kx]

What does "small guy" jiu jitsu mean

[@elbalsero4428]

Ben if u are 130 pounds you are a small guy, can’t over power your rival so you have to find other ways and techniques

[@blakemcmahan3960]

Really? My teacher is also a 3rd degree black belt under Pedro. What’s your professors name?

[@montagistreel]

@@Ben-fx9kx its hilarious, wild-disrespectful, and gives all kinda clues into their family dynamics because I'm pretty sure what he means by that phrase is "technical" and probably more tied into the original judo teachings 🤣 Families are so petty 🤣🤣🤣

[@montagistreel]

@@elbalsero4428 technical, dude, he meant technical lol. If you just constantly overpower your opponent then congratulations, you will win in street fights but paid your money and time to learn nothing from BJJ

[@rayanthonyrobles5162]

Great video, great explanation. I've been doing Jiu Jitsu for 19 years now, I am a black belt under Jon Burke (one of Royce's first black belts), and we focus on both the self defense techniques and the sport techniques (self defense first and foremost though). I use to run a Jiu Jitsu tournament, and in my personal opinion, I think it is important to practice all aspects of Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (Self Defense, Sport, and MMA grappling). Don't water down the art, don't skimp on any aspect of it, by doing this we keep this art strong for future generations.

[@veki1982]

Exactly, Judo made that mistake. Every now and then something else is stripped from it cause sport aspect of it.

[@montagistreel]

This kind of sums up a lot of my feelings as im looking into BJJ from both a practical applicability standpoint re: MMA but also am fascinated by the historical and cultural contexts (hence my finding my way to this video). The idea of people watering down BJJ is very scary to me because its already a subset of a subset. This video (and your comment) are helping me understand that there are even _more_ subsets, and while this is not an issue unique to BJJ, it will prove to be very problematic for something already so insular and specific. TKD and Karate are problematic in their "oversporting" imo - ie: point sparring really detaches you from practical applications - but a TON of BJJ videos here on youtube, while im sure may not be the best or most accurate representation, show people getting hurt by overzealous yet poorly trained grapplers a LOT

[@dinismantas7265]

I don't practice Jiu-Jitsu, but I find the family absolutely fascinating. I listened to a long podcast interview with Reila Gracie (Roger Gracie's mother) and it is interesting how close the family was even though they seem to have developed this family rivalry. She talks about how close she was with her Uncle Helio and the numerous interviews she did with him when preparing for her book. It was very interesting.

[@Bobba7438]

Well, after reading a whole lot of comments below I just have to make an observation. I was one of Rorion's first students when he was teaching out of his garage in Redondo Beach, Calif. Royce joined him a short time later as did Rickson. Other than high school and college wrestling, nobody was teaching anything like GJJ. There were all types of judo schools and karate and many other varieties of striking arts and aikido. I was there when Rorion challenged all comers from whatever art form they were involved in. He instructed his students to make challenges on his behalf. I watched as Rorion, Royce and Rickson took on all kinds of black belts from many other art forms. They won all their fights. Eventually Chuck Norris and other martial arts masters were drawn to this "new" art form called "Gracie Jiu Jitsu." Chuck Norris had Rorion and Royce give seminars to his instructors only after they had to take on one of the Gracies. Gradually, the fame of Gracie Jiu Jitsu spread and ultimately Rorion with the aid of some promoters formed the UFC where something almost unheard of was in practice ----weight classes were not present. A 150lb guy might fight a 225 pounder. This was unheard of at the time. The UFC spread the news of Gracie Jiu Jitsu even further. One only has to look around to see how much influence Rorion had as far as GJJ is concerned. It is taught to law enforcement agencies all over the world including elite forces such as the Seals and others. I was a law enforcement officer for 33 years and watched as they developed great techniques for handcuffing, gun take aways, etc. etc. They would analyze a particular situation that police officers get into and come up with workable techniques to assist the officers. I personally don't care if they borrowed something from a thousand years ago or not. They have made a great impact and influence on the American Society and for teaching the weaker in our society how they might have a chance against a larger and more muscular opponent. So knock it all you may want as to its origins, but there was nothing like it being taught in the U.S. until Rorion brought it to the U.S. lo those many years ago. I am not as familiar with the Carlos side of the family, but have met and sparred with a number of Gracies and I have nothing but admiration for their work ethic, their genuine love for and belief in their art. I am sure this is true on the BJJ side of the family as well. All I can say is God bless them all. I met and sparred with Helio several times and words cannot express my admiration for him. I have the deepest respect and admiration for Rorion, Royce and Rickson as well. These are the men I worked with the most. In the days when I was studying with the Gracie's, I had private lessons with them so got to know them very well. I can honestly say, I love them and I wish them all the best now and far into the future.

[@prehranjevalec4545]

I am pretty confident this is not true

[@calebgamer1720]

They didn’t invent the art, all these techniques originated in Japan

[@drea4813]

Caleb Medeiros no they originated in Greece 500 years ago

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

@@drea4813 that's pretty dumb

[@kevvymetal666]

'Other than high school and college wrestling, nobody was teaching anything like GJJ' - catch wrestling had already been around for 100 years..

[@s1r155]

That was a fascinating and comprehensive breakdown on the origins of the art. Thank you

[@kellyokamoto1604]

As an "older" guy, I have NO interest in learning "sport" techniques or competing. Hats off to the guys and gals that do do tourneys. Perhaps in my younger days.....? So Gracie (Ryron and Rener) Jiu Jitsu is what I LOVE!!! Roll on, Brothers.

[@boogerc1971]

very nice video !! i learned so much. thank you

[@amirgamil]

Thanks for that. Very informative and a lot of questions answered for me!

[@brainsterind]

Thank you for clearing up so much confusion I’ve had regarding this remarkable family and the beautiful art they pioneered. This was really well presented in such a short video! Thank you so much!! 🙏🏻😎

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Thank you!

[@gregoryboehm7090]

Thank you for schooling me on this history lesson. 2 thumbs up..!

[@ZWally-mn8bm]

Love getting into the history. Thank you for your time and effort.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Thank you!

[@joaquinreyes3684]

Wow, I know very little about the history. I know my experience in my gym. We have Helio Gracie on our wall, and they are a self defense gym. It's a humbling experience. Thank you for your knowledge!

[@pjgd8639]

Just found this channel and subscribed, some really great videos !!

[@bryantharris5914]

Keep in mind the Gracie's have a vested interest in narrating the history of the art. Count Koma, who taught Carlos Sr, had a school and taught other Brazilians (e.g Luiz França), who opened their own schools in Brazil, who often competed against (and in some cases) beat the Gracie schools from time to time. Count Koma has often been given the title of founder of BJJ, because he taught the Gracie's as well as other Brazilians. Count Koma fought in tough man competitions and had to adapt Kano Jiu Jitsu (aka Judo) to work against different Martial Arts. This became a common theme in BJJ, competing against other arts. It also set the pattern for GJJ in terms of using Grappling in a mixed martial art format to control the opponent with dirty strikes mixed in from dominant grappling positions. It is hard to know who did the primary innovating. Certainly Count Koma did 'worked' matches as well, so not all of his fights were legitimate fights. But he was the guy who was stuck trying to figure out how to beat Western Boxers one day and catch wrestlers the next. He fought guys wearing unitards and guys in strong man costumes, so he couldn't rely on opponents wearing a gi. I think it's intuitively obvious that his innovations from a pure Kano/Judo philosophy of absolute and perfect technique (seiryoku zen'yō) vs the reality of adapting to very different and wide ranging fighting styles was his main contribution to BJJ. Either way, it's a fascinating history from Kano to Count Koma (Maeda) to Carlson to Helio.

[@seanbarker9272]

Too much fact for this guys channel, he is a Gracie ball fonlder

[@glaucocataldo3183]

well spoken sir. i agree

[@AceofDlamonds]

Gracies developed the groundfighting MUCH more.

[@chuckgreen3629]

@@AceofDlamonds the groundfighting you're thinking of was rudimentary til Isao Okano and plenty of other Japanese Judokas that Brazilians learned from, along with luta livre/wrestling

[@thegnjdk]

Awesome video, keep the historically videos coming. They are much appreciated.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+thegnjdk, thanks for the feedback!

[@Zefram0911]

Thanks for making these videos!

[@FlippyHambone]

Found you today. EXCELLENT insight!

[@adamisforgiants6762]

That is a lot of R names.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+AdamIsForGiants, you're telling me!

[@harageilucid4352]

AdamIsForGiants: From what I understand, someone convinced an important Gracie that the letter R has some kind of mystical power. Since that day the children were to have names beginning with R. Heres an interview Helio did in 2001 www.global-training-report.com/helio2.htm and here is an interview with Rorion in 1994.. blog.aikidojournal.com/2011/08/27/interview-with-rorion-gracie-by-james-williams-and-stanley-pranin/

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

they like first letters that give a "hard" sound, like R, C, and K. I also heard Carlson, Sr had a different name when he was born, but Carlos, Sr had come to the belief after Carlson's birth, so he changed his name to Carlson.

[@joshhernandez5069]

You mean H names.

[@erkascazuchi8443]

many brazilians believe the letter R, C bring fortune. in football you my familiar with the names Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto, Cafu, Carlos

[@showmethatthang]

I recently joined Gracie Barra university here in Honolulu Hawaii with my two boys. I’ve met great people with so much knowledge in Jiu Jitsu. It’s been only 3 weeks. Lot more to learn.

[@michaelbanks2401]

Update?

[@showmethatthang]

@@michaelbanks2401 I am sad to say that about couple years ago, not very long after joining our coach had to move away from the Island. Since then I have not trained or join another dojo. I’ve enjoyed it and looking forward to training again when that right time comes.

[@airify2841]

update ???@@showmethatthang

[@AbuGrabIt]

Great video and super explanation. Thank you.

[@ki-ka]

Very informative. Thank you.

[@tokaheyaopiiceya644]

I have watched a few of your videos as of late. This one motivated me to subscribe. I train under Helios lineage, very self defense oriented but I also love and have an affinity for sport jiu jitsu. This explanation of the family dynamic is very detailed and, in my opinion, unbiased. Great content.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Thank you

[@maveric0738]

Either way..that family is HUGE! I prefer self defense. The age Difference between Carlos and Helio was 10 years apart. Great job! 👍🏼

[@jediknight2627]

Lazaro Carreiro y

[@macaluso48]

It’s all the same there is no divide

[@romanmoroni2785]

11 years

[@kuttz12]

So helpful bro. Thank u for sharing

[@LookatthatSH1T]

i hadn't heard it thought out quite so comprehensively before. This is interesting thanks.

[@macabredanceparty5277]

You did a really good job man, I'm impressed.

[@PoppaGrande333]

COOL VIDEO, THANK YOU!!

[@ikon8275]

Good break down of the Gracie family tree. I've been looking for a video explaining this.

[@kamatae4]

Enjoyed the video, good presentation with question answered in regards to the differences of BJJ and GJJ and the lineage and interesting history of a large family.

[@GoldenRuffian]

Love this video! subbed and liked. really makes me think about the nature of man and the explains a lot. I really appreciate you making this vid.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

thank you for the feedback!

[@SetoSokotsu]

...this is some deep anime-style stuff...

[@genghiskhalabeeb1906]

Need that anime made asap

[@chrisblanchard4938]

Thank you. I really enjoyed watching this.

[@briananders323]

Great video!!!

[@MrMedraypa]

First and foremost honor both Grand-masters. I started in the Sports BJJ world not knowing the whole story between BJJ and GJJ. I began competing in local grappling tournaments. I had a friend who invited me to a GJJ school and I was sold. I am Prior military and kind of love street fighting. I found that GJJ has a complete system of fighting. We always start stand up and do a lot of striking and we end classes with ground techniques. We basically learn to fight with no rules where as my old BJJ school we mostly grapple and start on our knees. I have had the opportunity to meet some amazing BJJ Instuctors and I personally had the opportunity to meet Rorion, Royce and Rickson Gracie at our school seminars. In a nutshell, GJJ does focus on self defense! But do not let the term self defense fool you. Our striking class mimics street fighting with gloves and without gloves which incorporates kicks, punches, elbows, take downs and grappling. I believe it depends on what you want to learn. I found that GJJ fits my needs. Much Respect to the whole Gracie Family and always respect the roots. I am a student of Valente Brothers Jiu Jitsu.

[@gman9410]

Nice info on the history of the family.

[@oRayUKo]

Thanks for the breakdown. Good vid

[@timleophard7947]

Cant we all just get along?? Love the family! Love the art! And remember in the end your brothers and sisters in this beautiful art will have your back! Every individual is diffrent but the art is perfect!! OSS

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Tim Leophard, very well stated. Thank you!

[@footlockmasterleopard7700]

Tim Leophard class act response! I know this guy he's a stud under Clark Gracie! He never says 2 words to anyone! To see this post is crazy! He's like an urban legend.

[@jasonzamora2914]

Just heard master Rickson's book breathe on audio books. Great story!!!

[@nicholascowsert5373]

Great video. Very informative. I started bjj last week and love it. Gracie Barra out of Missouri. Thank you

[@crowmilliken7826]

Awesome video man thank you for the history

[@peacefulmind319]

I am so glad to see this video. I have been talking about this subject for years and about the internal Gracie feud. Just keeping it real, this video is not accurate at all. First off both sides have remained somewhat unchanged, and have added very little to each respective style. Calling one side "sport" and one side "traditional" is very wrong, since it was Helio that would go out and fight all challenges in the ring for years. Carlos Sr. learned from Meaeda , Kodan judo, which was really more violent than other types of judo. Carlos's jujitsu contained a lot of strikes and powerful throws, that Helio was unable to do, so they created a special adaptation for Helio. This adaptation was the "upside down turtle" that you see a lot of these days (fighting from the back/ pulling guard). Carlos Sr. was the mastermind behind the Vale Tudo, but Helio wanted the family art to say within the family, Helio also was unable to compete and thought the Vale Tudo would take the limelight off him. Looking at the two styles , its easy to see the difference. Look at Ralph, Renzo or Ryan vs Royce or Royler in action (especially against Sakuraba). Now in the days long past, Carlson Gracie had to step in and defend family honor when Helio was unable to beat someone, this caused a lot of conflict for those in the family. Carlson used this more forceful jujitsu to win matches, and this disturbed Helio greatly. The fact that Helio tried to erase Carlos Sr from the history of BJJ by saying that He (Helio) actually created BJJ and not his brother (see many KZbin videos on interviews with Helio) was very evident that there was a problem in the family. Somewhere in the timeline, Carlson Gracie schools were in conflict with Carlos and Helio schools, with many fights breaking out among them. Examples in modern day is Wallid Ismail, a Carlson Gracie blackbelt who defeated Ralph, Renzo and Royce and challenged Rickson, who never took the fight. Still to this day there is a lot of name calling between Ismail and the Gracie's. Rolls Gracie came along and really combined the two styles, into this hybrid system that inspired people like Rickson (look at Rickson fights compared to his brothers). It was no secret that Rolls and Helio had some issues after Rolls started doing his own style and started teaching it to Rickson, and many of the Red Belts you see today in BJJ. Rickson's is known as one of the best Gracies fighters of his generation due to his style, which is quite obviously not like his brothers. There is also conflict in the Helio Gracie family since Rorion left Brazil to get away and out of the shadow of Rolls, and when coming to the US cheated Rickson and prevented him from fighting in the US do to some sneaky contract he had Rickson sign. Many of the Gracie brothers look down on Rorion in private, but keep the "good face" in public.

[@EP10051]

Interesting. Kind of makes sense. How did you learn all of this?

[@joeschmoe9154]

Another awesome video. I had a general idea that there was a split in the Gracie family, but understood it was more along the lines of the philosophy of what should be taught rather than actual animosity. This video pretty much explained how it came about. My son trains Gracie Barra, and while they do put in some self defense, it's definitely more focused on Ju Jitsu Vs Ju Jitsu.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

i'm not sure i'd say there's actual animosity, per se. i have none toward anyone, and i haven't come across any, either. differences of opinion, perhaps. but no animosity.

[@chicodecoster]

Thanks for sharing.

[@plcustodian]

To Kama Jiu-Jitsu: I just want to say I loved the way you explain the differences of BJJ & GJJ, it gave me a great insight, I don't practice martial arts (or any sport due to a heart condition) but I love hearing any kind of history of martial arts. I don't know if this is possible but could you one day talk about the first generation Gracies (Carlos Sr., and all his brothers including Helio). I was always curious about them, most everyone knows about Carlos Sr. and Helio but I always wanted to find out about the brothers in between the two. Anyways, thank you and all respect to you. Please stay safe and stay healthy.

[@ChristianWarrior76]

Thanks for the history lesson!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+ChristianWarrior76, thanks for watching. We really appreciate it!

[@Bobba7438]

Ryan: Thank you so much for this. I have really enjoyed your perspective of the Gracie Family. I agree with you on the point that you made--The gracies are just fantastic. They have created a truly remarkable art form whether for sport or self defense. God bless them all!!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Robert, plse contact me ASAP. [e-mail] ~Ryan

[@legrandfromage9682]

@@KamaJiuJitsu what the fuck

[@daltonwade9441]

Le Grand Fromage Robert Armstrong was a student of Gracie Jiu Jitsu back in the garage days

[@visionstonemedia]

Great Video Brother!! Well done.

[@thedoctorate]

Wonderful share.

[@Themindofreyrey]

Powerful BJJ info brotha. Thanks for the post.

[@houdinididiit]

It’s amazing how these discussions are found in every single martial art out there. I dabbled in Wing Chung kung fu for a while only to be sickened by the division amongst the practitioners. There’s a big fight as to which is the “traditional“ or “modified“ version. It’s maddening. And frankly, I don’t care as long as the system works for what you want to get out of it - whether competition or personal protection. Good video here 👍

[@michaelreynolds6543]

exactly even JKD has its divisions but as you say who cares take what you want and make it work for you and then leave it behind when you get to a certain level you dont need anyone else

[@GH51505150]

I knew a little bit of that story but man you broke it down great. I learned a lot. When it was over I didn't realize I was watching for 20 minutes. Thanks for sharing....

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+GH51505150, lol. And when it was over, I didn't realize I was talking for 20 minutes! Oh, well. Glad you stayed on for the whole thing. Thank you!

[@SamohtNox]

this was very informative thx

[@horatioredgreenblue2130]

thanks for explaining - never even knew about the schism but picked up that there was a bit of a falling out between certain members. This makes it nice and clear. I'm on the Helio side.

[@lisarobey6800]

I'm going to my first defense class for women next Saturday at Gracie martial arts in Tampa FL.

[@eventhejunglewantedhimdead480]

Did you stick with it?

[@JTD472]

This is such a good explanation of a topic that a lot of people have grown tired of hearing about that it actually makes it interesting again. Well done. Subscribing

[@thechristianbernal1108]

Thank you- was very curious how they differed -

[@ozzmann3217]

Thank you for the history break down. I am very interested in GJJ because of the self defense focus but I only see mostly BJJ around me.. one in particular seems pretty prestigious but I am worried the focus on sport may open up flaws in self defense and that’s what I am trying to get from my jiu jitsu journey in life ... I’m current just started at a BJJ gym but not Barra officiated and I’m new and there aren’t many white belts so many days the higher belts get the majority of the training and if it wasn’t this way I’d be much happier because the instructor is a world champion and was on ultimate fighter Brazil he’s incredibly good, and also does Krav Maga so he knows self defense my issue is one the level of concentration on us lower level people with no experience, and also although he’s a self defense instructor the classes seem more sport oriented... I’m going to stick with this for the remainder of my contract with the gym if I don’t see any sort of improvement in said areas of concern I was thinking of Garcie Barra or really GJJ but it will be much more difficult logistically for me

[@socratesXLIX]

I trained under Carley Gracie. He absolutely stressed self-defense first in everything before sports fighting. He always talked about being ready for a street fight. It is very hard to stomach modern BJJ with everything focused on tournaments. He emphasized you had to have a stand-up game for self-defense. He also taught many judo throws.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

GM Carley was one of the best of his generation.

[@tylerguyett6489]

Prof . Ryan, I know this is an old post, but I think "Self-defense" vs"Sport" is too vague to describe the difference. Socrates XLIX's response quoting GM Carley is exactly how I've heard Ryron and Rener explain it. You usually invite others to post a video with their arguments, but I am only a white belt in GJJ. Perhaps a video explaining what is meant by sport or self defense and their associated philosophies would be good? I agree with GM Carley's statement, Ryron's and Rener's explanation, and even Rickson says a true black belt should know both self defense and sport.

[@shinzinh0]

thanks for info.

[@89Kele]

You've got a new sub. Love the content, keep it up.

[@William.H.Bonney]

Renzo and Ralph are on the Carlos side but I feel they are both. Maybe because they are brothers and Renzo seems close to Relson and Rickson.

[@1madinjun]

Renzo and Ralph was against Carlson what are you talking about?

[@William.H.Bonney]

@@1madinjun I said Carlos not Carlson lol. Carlos is Helio’s older brother and Renzo and Ralph’s grandfather and Carlson’s father. That’s what I’m talking about lmao!

[@wsmaga]

thanks for the history lessen. I came into this art for self defense, so I'll stay under Helio's Gracie Jitsu.

[@badinmatenoyard]

Well I for one appreciate you taking the time for this lesson.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Thank you

[@peterjames3724]

nice explanation thank you

[@paisano316]

I train at Gracie Barra and we do self defense all the time! It’s part of the fundamentals curriculum. We also have the advanced and competition classes. Most students mix in both the fundamentals & advanced classes, at my academy at least.

[@1989cadiman]

I’m thinking of switching to a Gracie barra school due to the way they have beginners classes. I feel like I would benefit and get into a groove much more easily at a academy like that

[@alexsenciuc8910]

Meaning you want to go to Gracie Barra where you get promoted just because you show up and train!? Gracie Barra is the definition of a Mcdojo

[@paisano316]

@@alexsenciuc8910 Attendance is just one of the criteria for promotion.

[@ButtScootBJJ]

@@alexsenciuc8910 - Lol, I don’t even have to know you to know I could pick out just about any Purple Belt out of my Academy and regardless of your belt ranking, you’d get rolled up. You probably don’t even train. 😂 Some of the world’s best BJJ practitioners come from Gracie Barra. Braulio Estima, Orlando Sanchez, Roger Gracie to name just a few. Did they get their Black Belts out of a Cracker Jack box like you suggest?

[@alexsenciuc8910]

@@ButtScootBJJ not them, 95% of your mcdojo consists of belts received based on attendance, you muppet! Gracie barra london is a joke, tell me how many killers came from there! You named 3 bjj practitioners from a school that has tens of thousands of students, I have seen greco wrestlers destroy gracie barra students in jj! Foh

[@MikeR6988]

I am a Japanese JuJutsu practitioner and I have been really interested in Jiu-Jitsu. This is really enlightening to me, since I had no Idea that there was a difference in how BJJ and GJJ. Please keep spreading the knowledge!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

go try some classes out! you may already know most/all of the stuff based on your JJJ training. or, maybe you'll learn something new?

[@THE_Secular_Conservative]

Since JJJ is already self defense based, I would take BJJ.

[@macspeed5464]

Take XJJ

[@lightenlynx]

Very well spoken, accurate and unbiased point of view. Thanks for sharing it with us.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Thank you

[@arturbissigojoner3299]

awesome video, master! thank you

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Artur Joner thank you!

[@ed781]

Spot on! I train at gracie humaita and we do a mix of self defense and sport JJ my coach will teach us sport JJ moves but will let us know that you are vulnerable to strikes. We learn distance management as well. Best of both world's!

[@emansfvera]

Im proud to be training under helio gracies system, although really it's all the same stuff.

[@mikebowser48]

Love the video, fascinating history!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Mike Bowser thank you!

[@DanTaylorZa]

One of the best explanations on the subject. Nicely done sir.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Dan Taylor, thank you, sir.

[@MansMan42069]

I was expecting a "Hobin" lol

[@johnjohn1493]

Lmfao 😂😂😂 saaaame!

[@sd6458]

I have trained with the gracies. I have never heard them disrespect each other.

[@igorking9903]

Great work! Thank you :)

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Thanks, Igor.

[@rockstarpetgroomer963]

Thank you this is very knowledgeable

[@bravereprove2246]

Where i live I can do Kodokan Judo and Kyokushin Karate per month for the cost of doing Gracie Jiu Jitsu alone a month.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Good for you!

[@wwewrestlingbd8151]

That would be badass.do it dude.bjj is part of judo

[@yongjiean9980]

Just remember to learn complete Judo including ground grappling. Osu....

[@abc80s74]

I train gb we do train self defense . Maybe its not at the same level? Ive also trained under my first instructor which is under Jorge Pereira and i believe he is under Rickson i was told. In that Academy we rarely trained any self defense. I really appreciate and enjoy this last history lesson here. Still have a lot of questions though keep up the great work.

[@Y4J]

I think it really depends on the instructor. My instructor is a black belt under Charles Gracie who is under the Carlos family tree and yet he is heavily into self defense and using Jiu Jitsu to protect yourself. He is also a black belt in Kenpo as well. I think a good Jiu Jitsu instructor should be able to do both sport and self defense. IMHO, if a school doesn't use the word "Self defense"or the words don't come out of the mouth of an instructor, I'd highly question the school. TBH though, if you join a school, have a strong connection with the community and instructor, learning any form of the art is what matters as well. The more people who train, the better!

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

my exact thoughts, Gracie Barra as said by Carlos Jr. himself is done the way it was taught at the first gym he teached (wich he learned admitedely from Helio)

[@ch0rkie]

I dunno at all. I think it really differs professor to professor. My professor, Omar Salum, trained under Royler and is VERY sport oriented. So we're Humaita.

[@JosephSalomonsen]

Insane knowledge on the subject. Bravo.

[@nadenekawamura7897]

Was never good at the competition part but love the way rickson teaches. Good ol fashion kick ass

[@jaskakrapi1]

Everybody needs to remember brazilian jiu jitsus real father...Mitsuyo Maeda - "toughest man who ever lived"

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

did i (Ryan) not in our video? i kinda think i mentioned him...

[@jaskakrapi1]

Yes and that is very good!

[@treyduffy3418]

Thank you sir!! So true!!

[@jaskakrapi1]

Mitsuyo Maeda is the only true master of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu! m.facebook.com/Mitsuyo-Maeda-is-the-only-true-master-of-Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-131632604255321/?tsid=0.20996779995782755&source=result

[@josiahlee1982]

It is jujutsu. Almost all of it is Japanese. The trunk hold is guard. Ne-waza life. The only thing Brazilian is the rules to allow a longer ground fight. If you listen to the Gracie family they would have you believe they invented fire. There were many who weren't Gracie's who were direct lineage under maeda aka count coma. Oswaldo Fadda for one directly challenged the Gracie's in the 40s and out of 20 matches his school won 14 and most due to foot locks.

[@denismorgan9742]

Sorry for the split in your family, I hope this gets resolved, there is no reason why traditional and sport can not live as one. I have done a few types of Japanese jui jitsui myself and nearly all martial arts have moves involved in other martial arts. However I would not use it as a sport myself, it is not my way even when I trained in Muay Thai. Best of luck.

[@giddyup11321]

Amazing content

[@RTL2L]

Great video, thank you.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

thanks for watching/commenting!

[@rhinobridge]

I live in Rio de Janeiro, where the Gracies spread BJJ for the first time and always wanted to know why there are two Gracie brands (Gracie Barra and Gracie Humaitá). This was the first time I saw a good explanation. Your video was incredible. Thank you very much.

[@neurohydraulics8713]

Very interesting and informative, thanks for putting in the work! I studied Judo intensively as a child and it is clear Jiu-Jistu is the top athletic/ sporting training system for MMA these days, well done Gracies and well done Maeda! It seems certain this system will not degenerate into gangsterism and will always train guys up very well for dominance type street fighting. Would you agree that "self defense" basically means the ability to handle eye gauges, groin strikes/ manipulation, multiple attackers, biting (weapons)? From an internal martial arts standpoint not training to handle these "dirty" technuiques means "sports" jiujitsu cannot be considered "martial" in the classical sense, ie. battlefield technology designed to kill and maim as effieciently as possible. Do you train for the biting, eye gauges, groin stuff in Jiu-Jitsu self defence systems? This seems to me the weakness in the system that is more than compensated for by the abilty to train with speed and pressure safely. SInce guns have become publicly available it seems that "martial" training has lost its social function. I think Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, MMA are filling that warrior shaped void in the hearts of men and are a very very good thing as we go hurtling blindly into this technological, disembodied age.

[@live2win4freedom82]

Thank you Sir

[@Allangoesjourney]

Carlos Gracie is the father! Helio is the holly spirit

[@SLAMKING666]

and much respect to carlson cracie jr and the dualing pitbulls academy!still have old og t from husband thats prob most never saw!;)

[@MarzJonp]

AWESOME!

[@SantMuz]

This was very informative

[@bundy4prez462]

Maeda a judoka taught the Gracies. Maeda did not practice jujutsu as most people think. Taught them Judo? Newaza only? So Kosen Judo rules? Did they earn their black belt? Black belt in what? Was Maeda authorized to grant rank? No doubt that the Brazilians got really good at old school Judo newaza. In the end it's still old school Judo newaza or Kosen Judo rules if you wish.

[@shawndominique124]

Judo IS Japanese jujutsu . Simply refined into a sportive aspect where the best techniques are applied. So the Gracies essentially developed Gracie JiuJotsu based on having a foundation in Judo. And then when Carlson came around, he pretty muched fathered No Gi Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for vale Tudo/MMA. Then when Rolls came about he is who helped fuse the principles of bjj with the forwardness and aggressiveness of wrestling and sambo etc. And today...jiu jitsu is anyones to refine. But the Gracies are who rbought it around the world and proved its effectiveness

[@matthewhorizon6050]

A lot of people fail to bring up DosSantos. He was so influential and the old school Gracia's always tried to sweep his influence under thw rug. Dos Santos was a stone cold killer. The first time I heard a Gracie bring him up on video was by Rickson. Never saw a Gracie mention his name before or since. I wish someone would do a well researched extended doc on the origin of BJJ. I'm not knocking this vid, it's broken down well and to my knowledge is spot on accurate, but this art needs a solid origin piece.

[@uchim4ta633]

Shawn Dominique yet ppl still say bjj is the “ pure” version before classical samurai grade Jujutsu became Judo,the sportive way of samurai Jujutsu. Anyone that knows proper Jujutsu history understands that old school samurai style Jujutsu looked more like Aikido minus the whole harmonious peaceful demeanor where the Japanese did their best to break away from the bad image of imperial Japan. Attacking the wrist is predicated on the blade not sport striking. The hand usually stays out longer and is extended during sword use making techniques against the wrist applicable. On then it would progress into a tussle almost looking like judo until someone get taken down and either stabbed to death, hit to vulnerable openings of armor, strangled, or joint destroyed . The claim about being more “authentic” compared to Judo yet failing to know wrist locks yet alone basic Judo waza is ridiculous. It’s great for ppl who lack historical martial knowledge

[@jayceeinvincible]

Thanks for the clarification, I learned a lot from that. Where do the Machado's come in?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Jaycee Styles, if I'm not mistaken, the Machados' mother is the sister of Carlos, Sr's wife (the mother on Carlinhos, Crolin, Rilion, I think). So they're first cousins to some of Carlos Sr's children.

[@subscriber10304]

Great video ! But I think in "The Gracie Way" it is said that Carlson and Robson learned under Helio, him being the head instructor of the Academy. Carlos step back from teaching being more a manager and focusing on the Diet

[@boogerc1971]

he said jean jaq machado was a cousin of carlson jr.

[@jayceeinvincible]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu Thank you so much mate. Im definitely subscribing to this channel

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+BOOGER C, carlos, jr,

[@eddierocksteady]

Very informative. Thank you. Could you make a video on the Fadda family?

[@countdemonae3047]

Boy oh boy, what I learn!

[@HealthyAndrew]

I talked to a few of the Gracie guys and they also spoke about a schism In the family. It's hard to keep track of haha

[@ChamorruWarrior]

If we're being honest, BJJ has no real, definitive origin. You can find moves like kimura, rear naked, guillotine, armor etc in Japanese Jujitsu, you can find them in Chinese Shuai Jiao, Korean Hwarangdo, you can find them in German Kampfringin (wrestling) manuals from medieval Europe, in Pankration from ancient Greece etc. Don't forget that the Gracies aren't just black belts in Jit, they're also black belts in marketing and selling the art they "created".

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

If that’s the case, NOTHING we do anytime, anywhere, can be attributed to anyone. Truth be told, I learned it from the Gracies, not from any of your examples. Wait, what’s your point, again?

[@NoviceDrummer1964]

His point is that just because you learned it from the Gracies doesn't mean they invented it.

[@dsimon33871]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu Husserl a famous German philosopher said all philosophy is a footnote to Plato. I think many people do not think it through when they decide to ridicule something and call it merely a marketing scheme. i can tell you this, most people have not understood history well enough to make assertions about a bona fide line in the sand between Judo and other grappling arts in brazil. Brazil had lots of Japanese. During the second world war, when Judo was banned and then practiced in the Kodokan with little oversight, it was also continueing to develop in Brazil, so brazilian Judo is/was distinct, as is Russian Judo (Sambo) and even Continental Judo (When Anton Geesink used his muscle to win the olympics). But part of what makes a martial art distinct is who it is used, and developed against. So whether we call Gracie stuff Judo, or Jui Jitsu is irrelevant. The fact is Brazil had a history of everything from boxing, to Catch wrestling, karate, Capoera, etc and Brazilian methods developed in the context of fighting against those other arts. Brazil, because of the Japanese influences and the love of combat and machismo, had a nice little crucible in which martial arts developed.

[@wesdowty79]

The monks created the grappling arts. Gracies didnt create anything, they just made it popular.

[@dsimon33871]

The problem with this argument is that there is no standard that defines what is created...The japanese actually see to a lot of these issues, and people often critisize their xenophobia, their rigidity, but there are reasons for this. The Japanese can document anything that is created in Japan, for example, Options... First used by Japanese rice farmers to guarantee not being wiped out by a bad crop year. The option was used as an insurance policy so to speak...it is documented. KoRyu arts are all documented. And to the japanese understanding some things are more original than others. So, Arts like DiatoRyu are not as original as KoRyu, but are more original than the Budo arts. people don't understand this and try to make arguments for why something is original....that is not the issue, the issue is how something can be documented to be original. So if we go back far enough we have the SumoTe which are arts written into the Shinto texts...what we know as Sumo. This is the only original indigenious Japanese Art...hence why it is so venerated. Everything else is, in a sense borrowed from somewhere. In the KoRyu often this borrowing takes the form of the founder meeting a Tengu demon in the wilderness who passes down information and empowers them. But this can also be looked at as an allegory. What it indicates its a borrowing from a source greater than the founder. So what does this have to do with the Gracies? Well depending on how one looks at what Kano did with judo and what happened to Ju Jutsu, the Gracies could be considered anything from a type of modern Jiu Jitsu, Judo or Vale Tudo. It depends on what one considers original. judo had to gain a foothold in Japanese martial tradition. Aikido grabbed a foothold through Shinto, Karate Do grabbed a foothold through the idea of distillation, taking form and distilling it to its very essential nature: Japanese Karate, or Shotokan becomes a few powerful techniques, with an emphasis on perfection. JUDO grabbed a foothold by challenging what had become a severely weakened old martial system of Ju Jutsu. It became a supreme ju Jutsu system...originally called Kano Jiu Jutsu. Kano was a Western apologist in many respects and Judo had wrestling, Sumo along with Ju Jutsu technique. Given this situation what does one choose to call a style of wrestling/combat that came out of Kano Jiu Jitsu or Judo? Look...the fact that brazilian grappling has elements of japanese technique and catch wrestling, etc...and the fact that it emphasizes Ground fighting is no different than Sambo, which is Russian Judo, having elements of leg locking and indigenious Russian fighting elements within it. people forget that during the second world war, Judo was not developing in Japan. the kodokan was not always the creme of the crop! But during this time Judo was developing in brazil, Russia, the United States, Europe, etc. So really? what one calls the Brazilian grappling arts is a matter of perspective. brazilian culture considers a fight a certain reality that is very different than a Japanese Samurai would. Watching the beach fight for example, with one of the Gracies getting into it with a rival, they are fighting school yard style...like we did in New York City as kids: "Yo hold my jacket, let me take my shirt off" lol. This is cultural. And all forms of Judo will evolve into the culture they are used within. I think the Brazilian arts are Vale Tudo. They often involve striking, in what is called "anything goes" but depend on a solid base of grappling skills. Most of these skills in the Vale Tudo arsenal are ground fighting skills... Thats how I see it for what it is worth. So, the parts of Judo that are used for this application have been developed, along with techniques from wrestling styles in Brazil. Hope this helps