Rickson vs Carlos Jr: The Modern Gracie Family Rivals and their Federations

[@garyking4032]

Rickson is an absolute legend, but the JJGF needs to be careful with it's validation criteria for clubs. A local club here in Cape Town managed to get itself as part of the federation, this was run by an instructor with no BJJ qualifications who taught his own style of jits. Then he gave a first dan black belt to his son, and a black belt to another student (who was 19 years old I think). They proudly announced that their belts were ratified by Ricksons association. Luckily, the local black belts got on the case and they were eventually removed from the JJGF but this sort of thing cannot happen if Rickson is to maintain his status as one of the bastions of quality technique and integrity.

[@ememe1412]

If youre drawing a parallel with Judo, the difference would be like Kodokan and IJF. They may intertwine but are separate. The kodokan, for example, does not recognise IJF ranking. They dont use multi-coloured belts in Japan. IJF although aware of the complete syllabus, tend to focus training on the high % techniques for competition (before i get flamed, last time an IJF club member here go through goshin jutsu or kime no kata self defence sets? Or learned one leg lock like the most basic tate-shiho-hiza-hishigi?...) The Kodokans aim is to preserve and grow the aims and principles of Kano. This is inclusive of judo being: budo, self defence and competitive sport. IJF concentrates on the sporting side in reverse order. Theres room for both approaches.

[@HundredWingZ]

Just got my first Barra white belt stripe this morning (UK). Really fascinating breakdown of the JJ systems. Thank you

[@jitsapprentice4034]

Hope you stuck with your training? Probably close to if not a blue belt now?

[@HundredWingZ]

@@jitsapprentice4034 wow, thanks for this message! I'm a 3 stripe now 🤣 can certainly say I wouldn't go back. Thanks for asking

[@jitsapprentice4034]

@@HundredWingZ that’s awesome stick with it bro, you don’t have to be the best you just need to keep showing up.

[@bjjjunky331]

I train at a Gracie Academy/University CTC and I appreciate the leadership in Jiu-Jitsu of Rener and Ryron. I feel like it’s important to them to honor Helio Gracie’s Jiu-Jitsu much like Rickson does.

[@damlurker]

ffs that has nothing to do with this video. and that kind of blind dickriding from people who are hooked on the GA marketing machine is why i stopped training at the CTC.

[@bjjjunky331]

Well dipshit it does have to do with this video cause Ryan was talking about Rener and Ryron in the vid. And I’m sure that Rener and Ryron are losing sleep over the fact that an asshat like yourself doesn’t train at a CTC anymore

[@DavidLopez-vg7gr]

theres a CTC in my town ran by a blue belt, reners just in it for the money allowing that

[@bjjjunky331]

@@DavidLopez-vg7gr funny thing is I posted this 4 years ago but no longer train at a CTC. So needless to say, I feel a little different about CTC’s now 😁

[@Notjarispackson8540]

@@bjjjunky331 Sir. Please explain. I'm not at a CTC but I'm doing constant research on the issue and I am always open for any suggestions. What's not to like about the CTC's? Again, I'm ignorant to this stuff and I've never been to one so I don't know.

[@anthonyvert632]

Can you do a video about big chain schools like barra

[@SomoshiphopRadio]

NO need for a video. They Suck! lol

[@TheTonywi11iams]

@@SomoshiphopRadio so does your mom

[@sonicCherryBell]

@@SomoshiphopRadio nice generalization there on something you know nothing about.

[@aPerfectcircle23]

@@SomoshiphopRadiothey suck? Kyra renzo Ralph macados and Ryan and a bunch more come from barra clown

[@TonyPacenski]

As a cofounder of the JJGF, I can say that this is an excellent video to watch.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Thank you, Prof Tony.

[@ryanmaness4852]

Tony are you still involved with the jjgf? I heard you on a podcast talking about you're involment and founding (very inspirational) but haven't heard much since.

[@TonyPacenski]

Yes, always connected involved in projects I can contribute to; however, I am active in the Military these days which takes up a lot of time. Also I am have been working of the Tatame Air project to launch soon.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Thank you, Prof Tony.

[@nickcooley859]

Back in November I competed at Master Rickson tournament I had a phenomenal time and I will continue to compete for his federation and try to be the best ambassador

[@Jonesislearning]

Can you make a similar video with a focus on the Renzo Gracie Academy..if it focus' on sport or self defense

[@mikem1825]

The school I train at just joined the JJGF. My instructor really believes in what Rickson is trying to do with Jiu Jitsu.

[@jiujitsuguy74]

Rickson Gracie by armbar. 😊

[@BFerreira82]

By Rear Naked Choke! 😁 Never seen Rickson Gracie "Choke" documentary ?

[@mofoflm]

Good points with the mention of Olympic influence. I fee that competitive judo is greatly influenced by what the IOC feels is appealing to mass audiences. I have participated in several judo clubs and I find the clubs with younger competitive members focus on what they need to know to win compa where the clubs with older adult members focus on a wide variety of Kōdōkan teachings and creates well rounded judo practitioners

[@WilliSchwartz]

The Machados are five brothers, the Gracies are Helio Gracie had seven sons and two daughters. Carlos Gracie, Helio's brother, had 21 children!!!

[@johnlammons9352]

all of us under Royce and Rickson, Royler ect. are on a quest to bring it back together, thats why the push for self defense. Most instructors do not know the curriculum, and think self defense is just a marketing ploy.

[@jeremymuniz7200]

Whats your thoughts on Gracie University and how are they different from JJGF??

[@greenwood-1426]

Hey professor how are you? Recently iv been training in Europe at Aranha. The club is very competitive good mentality but the average blue belt has 5/6 years training they are sandbagging hard. Some of those guys felt like purple /brown belt to me. I got told it’s pretty commun here. Don’t you think it corrupts the meaning of the belt system a little?

[@gxtmfa]

Sami MMA Perhaps it is sandbagging. But if you learn what you need to learn, is that the worst thing? I’m not trying to be an ass here, just thought it’s something to consider.

[@brojitsu]

This is awesome. Thanks for the video. I'm more of a sport practitioner, but I started this for self defense and I hope to become a member.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

You’re not a member of your academy?

[@brojitsu]

@@KamaJiuJitsu I mean member of the JJGF lol. I'm a IBJJF Brown belt and competed regularly at purple and blue.

[@game9848]

Best fighter in the family is sometimes not the best business man.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

got that right.

[@thewarrior6784]

@PNG News Media Rickson.

[@Aaaasss-t4q]

@PNG News Media Rolls

[@senditffh7919]

So how would the rules/points be different?

[@asepulveda1202]

The I BBJF unfortunately it is a necessary evil. As you know I am a combative’s and self defense proponent but also avid competitor in my timeAnd I believe that for you to run a successful academy you have to have a balance of the two therefore you have to establish some sort of relationship as an instructor with the I BBJF while maintaining the integrity of not only the art but your Academy. That is a lesson I learned with my relationship with the instructors in Hawaii as well as in Ohio. I’m a proponent of submission only competition.

[@jesseturton]

Is there an update to how this federation is doing?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Lots of new members (individuals and academies), from what we can see.

[@drbrendankishketon]

I have always been a proponent of the self-defense aspect. I’ve been training through Gracie University for 10 years now, and also trained at a local Bjj school for a year and a half (getting a blue belt there). I have experienced the difference between a competition school and a self defense focused curriculum. The confusion lies in the fact that many competition oriented schools THINK that their “sport” jiu-jitsu IS self-defense. And on one level, to be sure, tying someone up in a street fight CAN neutralize aggression. We have seen many vids where bjj guys get into fights and just be tying their opponent up, neutralized the aggression. But then there are videos where bjj black belts have no clue how to engage a person who is punching them, and the stories I have personally heard of high ranking bjj (purples and browns) guys getting beat down in a street fight. And that black belt of Gracie Barra who got punched by Ralph Gracie at a recent tournament for whatever reason. Sucker punch or not, justified or not, who knows but that Gracie Barra black belt should not have gotten beaten up. I mean, he’s a black belt for crying out loud. The one time he needed to defend himself, he got the shit beat out of him. If someone is escalating an altercation, self defense principles in GJJ dictate that you stand and face them, hands up, ready to engage. You don’t just sit there ignoring someone who is obviously acting aggressive toward you. Sure, maybe it was a sucker punch people would argue. But if Ralph is pissed at me and he’s talking to me in an agressive manner bet your ass I’m gonna be facing him, not sitting there ignoring his postering (I would never want to fight Ralph btw, dude’s a beast). My point here is that what gets lost is the self defense mindset. Competition is a good thing since competition always drives up quality. But when a black belt (or purple or brown belt) gets beat up at at time when s/he really needed the jiu-jitsu, what was the point of the training? What’s the point of all the competition titles if you get the shit beat out of you in the street? What gets lost many times in competition schools is the mindset and the necessary training for real street fights. I remember Xande Ribeiero saying in a video that he was a “white belt” when it comes to MMA. And he’s probably right if he has never trained for punches. But many BJJ guys have done well in MMA too. So, it’s not an all or nothing argument. But comeptiton schools assume that everyone wants to be a competitor. The average person doesn’t. Women don’t necessarily want to be competitors either. So, what happens is that competition schools use those of us who don’t want to compete as punching bags. I didn’t pay my tuition to be a punching bag. And the environment becomes too hostile for the average person. Seemed like every class was a tournament (and no one wants to help you, only tap you). I didn’t like it. Guys, this is just my experience and perspective. I don’t have all the answers. I think competition is just masculine energy. You a get a bunch of guys together, they always have to determine who the big dog in the room is. lol It’s healthy, as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of the self defense mindset, the very reason for doing jiu-jitsu in the first place. Great video, Ryan.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Very well said. Thank you!

[@fulviopaschoal8303]

Very well said indeed!

[@TrentWila]

Another excellent video Ryan. I think that millions of jiujitsu practioners around the world would love to support the JJGF and the mission in which it pushes. I myself prefer the self defense 1st approach which is what Helio and Carlos intended the art to be about. Although I just wish there were more events spread over the various nations other than the 1 Rickson Gracie cup to compete.

[@hapkidocharlie2009]

Awesome! Thanks for answering my question brother! Really appreciate it.

[@tommcalpine6062]

I feel that that Renzo setting up a federation would be even more ideal: he has both competition and mma experience with his students and a massive influence in adcc. He seems to have a balance between self defense and sport.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

He’s completely tied in with Gracie Barra and the IBJJF.

[@tommcalpine6062]

@@KamaJiuJitsu I imagine you know better but the guys from his academy seem submission oriented and sick in mma. I don't remember any of them in ibjjf competitions but mainly in independent competitions like in ebi or adcc. And they often dominate

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

are you related to Tony?

[@james1327]

I personally don’t want to learn a sport. I want to learn a self defense system that works. If I wanted to learn a sport I’d be playing tennis. A lot of this sport vs self defense comes down to money. Sport = money. I’m just not into that.

[@berningsandwiches2662]

I wish there was a GJJ School closer to my house. Unfortunately the only Jiu-Jitsu school conveniently distanced enough to attend is a competition School. I still love it and have my two kids in the class, but it would be nice to have a little more focus on self-defense.

[@franciscoquiroz1749]

What about a mma gym?

[@vernoncooley7276]

FYI, when you go to the JJGF website it only shows your Irvine location. You might have them add your Texas location as well as no schools in the DFW area are on there.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

thank you, Vernon Cooley.

[@MagickArmory]

JJGF all the way . I'm a Gracie academy member and I' gladly signed up as a individual member of jjgf to support their mission .

[@RichardBejtlich]

The answer to the question seemed so obvious after you answered it, and I would not have thought to start by comparing web sites. Great job!

[@thebluestbelly]

can you talk about the Carlson gracie school please?

[@buffalospringfield9140]

Carlson Gracie, born in1933/died in 2006 at 72 years old. Was the great BJJ fighter and instructor. He was the master of Murilo Bustamante, Amaury Bitetti, Vitor Belfort, Wallid Ismail that won Royce Gracie twice and won Renzo Gracie and many others.

[@nedaCFilms]

Cool rundown.

[@josephkuser3998]

So where do Gracie Torrence fit in? Very informative but I'm confused on that part. Thx

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

In this video’s context, they don’t.

[@richardcottom7474]

Total hip replacement and starting b j j? Possible?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Yep. I have two students with hip replacement.

[@richardcottom7474]

How do they train different? How many days a week?how do I look for the right school? Thank u

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

One of them trains every single day. The other, less so because he works in the oil fields and is on a crazy work/travel schedule. But they both train perfection well.

[@manuelnunez8802]

So the IBJJF is basically a Sport Federation and headed by Carlos Gracie, Jr. The JJGF is more of a Martial Art Federation established by Rickson to teach a balanced blend of both sport competition and the actual martial art/self defense system of the original Gracie Brazilian Jiu - Jitsu. Or am I wrong? Does the IBJJF have any kind of actual martial art/self defense training?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Your assessments are correct.

[@manuelnunez8802]

@@KamaJiuJitsu - IMHO I think that's a load of crap that they wouldn't recognize Dave's 4th Degree simply because he hadn't been paying dues to them for that long.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Dave doesn’t care.

[@manuelnunez8802]

@@KamaJiuJitsu LOL. Well, it still doesn't seem right.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

The IBJJF is a business, just like the JJGF. KJJ and its members just choose to patronize the JJGF. ALL GOOD. I hope you’re well!

[@Luizrosatx]

Hello sir! Thank you for the video. IBJJF helped and still helping our Jiu Jitsu to grow, and Global Federation still a baby (I hope to see GF bigger). If you are able to make money with Jiu Jitsu today, this is because IBJJF (They helped a lot). We cannot speared BJJ or GJJ (This is bad for our community), Jiu Jitsu is one. We need to be complete on Self Defense or Jiu Jitsu Sport. This separation make some schools just practicing JJ Sport or just Self Defense. The Jiu Jitsu Brasileiro lose with this separation. OSS

[@Djent7779]

One thing that confuses me is the only black belt certification is ibjjf? All the teachers have to be ibjjf credited apart from 10p? Even though there are over 20 different bjj global competitions if you want to learn or teach bjj the only iffical recognised cert is ibbjf? Ivevtrained 10thp and checkmat but my checkmat tutors and were ibbjf

[@Pendraeg]

Where do the other Gracie brothers (e.g. Relson and Royce) fit in to this? I think GJJ needs a federation like the Kodokan, but for it to work it is going to need all of the brothers to come together.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

GM Relson and Master Royce have their own associations.

[@jiujitsuguy74]

Their family politics are as tricky as any, maybe more so. But yeah, it’d be great if all of them got onboard. Renzo, Relson, Royce. That’d seal the deal for JJGF.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Renzo is never leaving Uncle Carlinhos.

[@Pendraeg]

But couldn't they operate their own associations within the context of a broader GJJ federation? They all put a heavy emphasis on self-defense.

[@jiujitsuguy74]

Joe Cheavens Yeah, exactly. I mean, I’m not 100% sure about Renzo’s methodology, but for sure Royce is self defense first. Relson likely is too. I think it’d be a fitting token if the JJGF at least gave some sort of acknowledgement to those guys even if they aren’t members.

[@jonathanhagan1221]

any opinions/comments on klay pittmans school in Lubbock tx. ?

[@basilistsakalos9643]

Very informative video which clears things out!

[@BobBob-il2ku]

Would love to see a luta livre vs bjj history video from you.

[@AureliusRuiz]

I'm curious of your thoughts about the Fada Jūjutsu faction in Brazil?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

You mean Nova Uniao?

[@AureliusRuiz]

@@KamaJiuJitsu kind of, the Nova Uniao are from the Fadda lineage, But I was more curious about your opinion of their history and their non commercial approach to expand Count Koma judo through all Brazil. To me is fascinating see how these two families get their knowledge of this Japanese art and how different was their approach to reach the masses.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Fadda never made any attempts to reach me. The Gracies did, though.

[@AureliusRuiz]

@@KamaJiuJitsu I just ask because you have done some videos about the history of Gracie BJJ and the sport BJJ, and cover the inside dispute between the factions inside the Gracie family. I thought that would be interesting that you cover the other side of the story in one of your videos. Specially because is not cover yet in any English speaking media. I don't know, I thought that you would be interested in something like that. However if you are not I understand. Keep the great job.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Basically, it comes down to info I can access, since that branch of BJJ never made many attempts to branch out past Brazil. Although there are NU schools around, 1) they aren’t quite a perfect candidate to use because it was cofounder by Andre Pederneiras, who is a Carlson, Sr BB and because 2) most NU members here in America most likely don’t know much about the Fadda history, as well (only that they went Vs the GRACIE Academy and beat them with footlocks.

[@joeschmoe9154]

When it comes to influence of BJJ you can't discount Eddie Bravo and his 10th Planet Chain. They have over 100 Schools Worldwide and are growing fast

[@kyleolson279]

10th planet has produced zero world class BJJ champs

[@joeschmoe9154]

@@kyleolson279 Really? LOL

[@kyleolson279]

@@joeschmoe9154They haven't. No ADCC or world champs in the history of 10th planet despite receiving a marketing/promotional push second only to GJJ. 10th planet has only succeeded in regional competition.

[@thesoldiersside]

Kyle Olson Many top ranked MMA fighters are 10th Planet BJJ students I.e Tony Ferguson

[@kyleolson279]

@@thesoldiersside Tony's ground game isn't what makes him great it's his whole MMA skill set. As a matter of fact his grappling is the weakest part of his game. 10th planet has zero top MMA and BJJ fighters.

[@miltystu2004]

Why isn't Royce Gracie a member of the JJGF?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Good question.

[@ricardosantinoespina1290]

I wish there was a JJGF affiliate in the Philippines! Kama Jiu Jitsu, pls put up a school here.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

First thing to do would be to bring Master Dave Kama out there for a class.

[@MegaBeitar]

i'm 36 years old, with many years of experience in wing tsun, kick boxing, tai chi and karate. I'm too old for start BJJ, doesn't matter which lineage? i'm insterested about BJJ, but, have i the age?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Age is fine.

[@micahvssasquatch1014]

36 is not too old to start BJJ.

[@Daniel_Cooley]

What do you think of leg locks rising to popularity in bjj competitions? How do they translate to self defense?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

we like them. for self defense, it really depends on the situation. pretty much need to be on the ground already to use them. in a self defense situation, i would hope all the options prior to leg locks would have been used (and successful) by then.

[@michaelbanks2401]

As a amateur skateboarder in my younger days, It's hard to believe that that's an Olympic sport now, but no BJJ/GJJ...

[@legitprowrestling6653]

Another terrific video. Thank you sir. Rickson Gracie is a living legend.

[@skarhead7597]

I remember looking for Gracie Jiu Jitsu after UFC 1,2, and 3 only to find sport jiu jitsu schools where nobody actually fought, strikes were never thrown, and all everyone cared about was winning timed sport BJJ competitions, often on points. Super weird 🤣

[@pascualrodriguez711]

This right up my alley. I. Belong to the barra tree but i honestly have learned so much from ricksons videos

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

oh, well!

[@ArmandoManzo310]

What do you think about Carlson Gracie jiu jitsu southbay in Torrance CA? Should I go train there I am new to jiu jitsu I wanna know if that is a good gym or do you recommend another local gym in my area

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Torrance? I’d go to Gracie University and see Prof Chris Saunders, the other Dirty Dozen Black Belt awarded by Rickson.

[@ArmandoManzo310]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu Will do that was going to be my second question lol I was going to ask Carlson Gracie vs Gracie university but you just answered my question thanks I’ll check them out tomorrow a little pricey at $180 a month vs $120 at Carlson Gracie but I’ll see what they offer

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Go to the “source,” and pay the money.

[@ArmandoManzo310]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu Will do thanks for the reply 🙏🏻 🥋

[@ArmandoManzo310]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu Does Rickson Gracie have a school that he actually teaches at near by?

[@edwinochoa5716]

I am in New Mexico and i would like to join the JJGF because i tried the Gracie Barra Institute and i did feel the sense of trying to push me more towards competition (im a white belt) but i really would like to focus on self defense and the art, what are my options in New Mexico.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Have you tried this? www.kamajiujitsu.com/memberships/

[@counterkidnapping1737]

I don't care which Gracie from I learned. If you want to self defense go to Rickson, Rener, Ryron and Relson, you wanna sport go to Graice Barra and Renzo Gracie Academy

[@yoursola]

SOOOOOOO True!!

[@ccrass4443]

The problem is that Rickson, Rener, Ryron, and Relson aren’t nation wide. I would love to train at one of their schools but can’t find one in the Midwest. GB is nationwide with schools in every state.

[@skarhead7597]

Don't forget the Valente Brothers in Miami...teaching old school Helio Gracie self defense "combat" jiu-jitsu

[@Kolohe56]

Respectfully disagree with this, Gracie Barra focusses a lot in self defense, which is why a lot of women join our fundamentals classes. Also I don't think schools focus more on one thing or another, it's all about the path the student takes.

[@tim707max]

What is the name of the song at the beginning?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Ehrling - "Dance with Me" www.soundcloud.com/ehrling

[@tim707max]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu Thank You.

[@rolly5558]

I support both bjj my master got he’s black belt from master rickson I am just a Gracie fan & support & greatful what they did :)

[@ki1631]

meanwhile the most succesfull school is renzo gracies school or am i wrong?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Gracie Torrance for a single location, more likely. Valente Miami is up there, too. As an overall business as a whole, Gracie Barra, I’m guessing.

[@nathanpalma1167]

Hey ryan can you address the idea if someone is a felon but has changed their life and now practicing jiu jitsu can they earn a black belt if they never wanna run a school or teach professionally

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

why not?

[@dustincintron1682]

Great videos. I'm 3 years late, but my interest in JJ is new and intense. I have a question.. Given that some years have passed and I don't know what the current state of the JJGF is... is it true that all the academies under the umbrella of JJGF are still part of the mission? I ask because I'm about to join the Renzo academy in New York (I found it by searching the JJGF website). It seems like a fantastic school, but I know they are into competitions and I haven't found out if they are competition-based or self-defense-based yet. I'm likely going to join anyway and I plan on asking someone there about this, but I'm open to more perspectives

[@jaybrrr994]

Rickson Gracie is the best ever and the most developed in all aspects of mastery.

[@jaybrrr994]

just like he "exposed" Marcelo Garcia right? Haha

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

i guess you didn't see Eddie with Rickson on Joe Rogan's podcast? lol. oh, boy, he sure did "expose" him. more like getting all giddy being in the presence of the true GOAT.

[@jaybrrr994]

You don't even know that it was a draw in their last match. And it was not even MMA, just sport BJJ. Listen how Eddie Bravo talks about Rickson - he has the highest respect and recognition of his incredible skill.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

LMAO!!! now i KNOW you're an effing troll! thanks for the laughs. have an awesome day!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

And then, he got utterly destroyed by Leo Vieira. 🤔

[@michaelconner4841]

Good content. Music is slightly distracting. Keep up the good work

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

I’m sorry about that. We’ve pretty much stopped putting background music in in the last few years.

[@leandromaroniurbanek6042]

Gracie University rocks!

[@jims512]

Well done with the music on your videos!

[@royalty_the1892]

I was just getting into jj I wanna do the self defense stuff only, I'm not interested in the competition side too much. Where I live there is a Gracie Barra in very close proximity and from what I'm piecing together they teach the self defense side but are more into the "sport" aspect of bjj, am I incorrect in my assumption? Thanks for your time.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

i never trained at a GB myself, so i cannot say for sure. but every GB person i've ever met was not self-defense oriented in their training.

[@alfredomartinez2615]

Gracie Barra be a great school for you to train at. Their philosophy is jujitsu for everyone. Meaning every walk of life every age every back background there’s a place for you there. As he mentioned he’s never trained at Gracie Barra. Gracie Barra has a fundamental program that is exclusively focused on self-defense. It is 16 week program again that is Mandatory for all White belts three stripes and lower. It is also highly encouraged for higher belts to continue with the fundamentals program throughout their jujitsu careers.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

i said they are "not self-defense oriented." i didn't say they didn't teach it. what you say (about it being taught to white belts in the fundamentals class), i already knew. the thing is, they call the non-self defense "advanced." no one who is "advanced" ever really goes back to do the self-defense every time they train, as they would need to in order to remain competent in the gracie self-defense principles and techniques.

[@chrismac7777]

@@KamaJiuJitsu If you've never trained at GB then how do you know the students on the Advanced program never go back the the self defense when they train? The GB school I go to always has plenty of advanced students who still attend the fundamentals program every week. That is a blanket statement you made and it is untrue.

[@WalintHUN]

I was thinking starting to practice it thats why Im watching vids and try to learn what is what and now Im totally confused as Im not native Eng speaker... I thought JJGF is the martial art side and IBJJF is when you only want to do for tournaments. I mean one is for any case self defense the other is only for competing in some kind of point system. Or what Im saying also true? (I dont want to compete, I just want selfdefense, healthier body and lifestly I want to change my life, I have to)

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Nope, they are separate organizations. Each have different a goals similar to what you thought, but not quite. JJGF is about preserving the original Gracie’s self-defense and practical jiu-jitsu art. IBJJF is about competitions and sporting events with little in self-defense. It does have more ground elements, but we aren’t sure those are that relevant to the art as a whole. -Rusty

[@WalintHUN]

@@KamaJiuJitsu Thank you Rusty!

[@r1thefast174]

Buno is really coming up against Jiujitsu fighting. Rizanito Holandez invaded the Gracie Barra in Riverside, Ca. & lost but fought valiantly. He’s teaching Buno @ Patterson Park in Riverside, California. He’s a 7th Degree in Buno.

[@victorserino3790]

Hello, awesome video! It helped me a lot to understand the huge mess that BJJ became here in Brazil. At least in my experience the self defense aspect of jiu-jitsu is completely absent in most academies. Being a huge enthusiast jiu-jitsu as a self defense art, i would like to ask for advices on what to do since there's no JJGF academies near my home. The closest I can get from the so called "GJJ" is through a Gracie Barra Academy, what do you guys think i should do? Would you think that they be offended if I started to complement those classes with Gracie University ou Rickson's online program? Cheers from São Paulo, Brazil!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

If an academy is not teaching all you want to know, you need to seek it out where you can get it.

[@fulviopaschoal8303]

There are two CTCs in São Paulo. Search for Gracie University in Brazil.

[@trentlim9894]

It cant be just GJJ. Becausr if that happens we are denying the Luis Franca liineage side of jiujitsu. Moving foward, it should just be jiujitsu with different rule sets for competition and have a self defense syllabus.

[@JCBPARISPARIS]

I think these 2 federations are good for bjj, it can bring new ideas. With an unique federation, people in their office think they can rule the world with their monopoly and sometimes do anything (some examples with soccer). With 2 federations they have to be better to survive.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Excellent point!

[@rye-bread5236]

What about the Machado's?

[@garyking4032]

Mainly sportive & aligned to the Barra side more than the Gracie Academy side.

[@salvatoremazzone6912]

What advice do you have for someone who is already established with an IBJJF affiliated gym but still wishes to learn the more self-defense oriented techniques of the Rickson side?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

you can attend seminars when one comes to your area, or you can simply travel to the instructor you like best who teaches it.

[@Tex323]

Who or what is the dirty dozen?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

First 12 non-Brazilians to earn a black belt

[@sethmcbuffhammer1221]

Very good video, I really like the idea of the JJGF

[@TheProdigy260592]

Just did a Royler seminar and 70% of it was self defence

[@ThaSilentOne420]

Rolls is the only one i ever hear abt that could go with Rickson . Kron will be on that level in his later years also imo

[@NicoGF]

Why people still using a Gi for self defense? Can you do a gi vs no gi vid explaining it? Btw kron is doing very well in mma, any chance he signs for ufc? Why not?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Already did one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oonHnGWoj8uppZo

[@thewarrior6784]

Rickson needs to win this battle. I hope he does! Because I don't want the self defense aspects of Jiu-jitsu to be lost in history like Judo's was!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

i don't think he (by himself) will. but a few of his students are trying to help him!

[@MrVideoyoulike]

i say lets get all the masters together and let them roll against each other to see who federation should call the shots.

[@rollsgracie3604]

The Carlos side of the family taught all of Brazil and didn’t hide any jiu Jitsu they got way more killers

[@LegendaryPrince777]

So this type of martial art is divided by 2 or 3 parts ? And they have their own system but can’t recognize black belt degrees?? Should be like that. It should be like teakwondo. Don’t matter what academy you went you can enter any academy with your belt

[@JCBPARISPARIS]

Can we hope a live discussion between Rickson and Carlos one day ?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

We can always hope! But I’m not holding my breath. I like breathing.

[@johnathanashleyOCSO]

I'm not either sadly. Even between GB and Gracie schools . I'm transitioning to Gracie Humaita School in Jefferson City, MO and wondering how thats gonna be received by the GB team

[@msoaevents2298]

Another great video thank you!

[@s216674]

Good to see the JJGF working on ways to help academies on he business side of things. As odd as it is to say, simple things like "how to be a professional" would go a long way. Reminding academy owners that being on time, having mats set up and ready to go so that their students can train, etc. are things that matter beyond the teaching of the art.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

We agree.

[@lemonvariable72]

And not to mention clean.

[@s216674]

True.

[@ProLookout]

Hey bro awesome videos, I love ur history lessons on gjj. I have a request maybe it's kinda stupid but I would like to hear about Rilion Gracie. I trained under him for a few months in Miami but unfortunate circumstances made that impossible, so I never got the chance to get to know him. He's an amazing teacher and has a badass guard that I haven't seen anyone pass even in his old age. I would like to hear more about the man that made me fall in love with this amazing discipline that changed my life for the better.✌️✌️

[@micheldavidovich6940]

What you are saying is fake. In IBJJF you need your professor to recognize your blackbelt level. I'm not saying one is better or worse, but please if you are going to post a video like this, you need to check your sources.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Look here, dave and I went through this whole drill with the IBJJF (I even paid a personal visit to the corporate office in Irvine to try to straighten this out) in 2016-2017. Yes, GM Rickson did confirm Dave’s Black Belt, which they grudgingly accepted, allowing him to head KJJ’s Academy registration, but they would NOT accept his (current) 4th Degree rank because of the reason stated in the video. No exceptions. Nothing we could do. We even offered to get GM Rickson on the phone. Don’t care. Calling what we went through “fake” and saying I need to “check my sources” just makes you ignorant.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

and i later heard that JJMachado is only ranked 2nd degree with IBJJF (even though Carlinhos promoted him to black belt, and Rickson promoted him to coral belt), and Pedro Sauer is not even a black belt in the IBJJF! those are real stories from real MASTERS. show me where what i say is fake, and show me the sources i need to check first. or were you just fuckin with me? if so, MAN YOU GOT ME GOOD!

[@Bagwiscampers]

can you come to our Academy here in Cebu City Philippines? :)

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

We can make that happen. Email us at [e-mail]

[@Sebdes23]

Which academy are you guys at? I'd like to visit

[@JavierGonzalez-cx4lb]

Julio Carlo Rama I trained at an academy in Cebu, what academy are you located at?

[@oneguy7202]

Lmao bjj and gjj is the same the only thing is change is the pocket that money goes. Gjj just focus in self defence techniques and vale tudo, some sports schools also teach self deffnce techniques. If you look in mma world today nobody train in gracie humaita or in helio side schools teams like btt,alliance,att etc are all scholls that came from carlson gracie students, carlson was more sport oriente and also participated in vale tudo matches. Gjj is just a trademark nothing more.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

A long time ago, you would be right. Today, they are very different, and moreso every day.

[@oneguy7202]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu i guess it s all about school and the instructor. I think lot gb schools teach selfdefence but its true the most bjj schools is guard centric sport oriented. When there arent a lot bjj comtpetions in the past jiu jtsukas participate in sambo,judo,wrestling and every grappling competion was available back then.

[@alfredomartinez2615]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu I highly disagree with you. Gracie Barra’s main focus is self-defense. The entire fundamentals curriculum is based on it. It’s a 16 week program that’s constantly evolving and developing to improve techniques specifically for self-defense. This is a mandatory program for all white belts with three stripes or less. Also all higher level belts are highly encouraged to continue to develop their fundamental practice throughout their jujitsu journey.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

i replied to this same post you posted on another video.

[@johnlammons9352]

@@alfredomartinez2615 my students are freinds w gracie barra students. and they are always amazed at the technique they havent seen. and also, they have voiced that they feel they were promoted way to soon, and dont feel worthy. I can tell you for a fact, our local barra schools dont teach they way your saying. You have to learn self defence first, as your basics. that includes some groundwork escapes, ect. then we teach you to roll against another jiu jitsu person. it makes your sport jj more complete, and you wont get beat up on the street by a bigger and heavier fighter.

[@MichaelDolan-v5o]

Before I read any comments, MMA has divided it

[@WilliSchwartz]

Jean Jacques, Rickson, Royler, its all in the family. Jean Jacques Machado has lots of brothers like to Gracies. The Machados are cousins to the Gracies.

[@SundarBJJ]

And Machado Jiujitsu is just as authentic, valid, real, and effective as GJJ. It’s all great.

[@bccvtcorrea]

97. +1 with me. Thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@Rob_Green]

Thank you for putting this up. The IBJJF sounds more like a business first and interested in the future of BJJ second and the JJGF seems the inverse of this. I could be wrong.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Everyone has an opinion.

[@Gruntmo70]

The IBJJF is a tournament promoter masquerading as a governing body. Unfortunately too many people have bought into the illusion of them being a governing body setting rules and requirements for the art as a whole as opposed to only having jurisdiction over their tournaments.

[@cknd100]

I train under Ben hall head of carlson gracie Jr Australia.

[@jorgep102]

Rickson is the modern samurai

[@justincawthon3675]

"Hopefully someone will come along and bring the two back together (BJJ and GJJ)" Roger Gracie??? I could see that. very competitive with a sharp focus and the basics that serve in self defense that GJJ harps on??? what thinks thou!?!?

[@nagone11]

The politics of Bjj is going to go on for perpetuity.. As long as there is competitive Bjj tournaments going on and federations having big money being paid into them, this will go on. I certainly feel where Rickson is coming from but at the end of the day...this is going to come down to choice for the practitioner. To have all of this merge into one classical style is over.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

You’re likely right.

[@8sourceenergy895]

Team "RICKSON GRACIE", and JJGF, for ever!!! For Rickson Gracie remains the GURU/MAT GOD of BJJ.

[@Haolekine888]

Ok. For Judo folks here I'll give you a rough breakdown IBJJF = USJI JJGF = USJA Rickson Gracie = Phil Porter It's all been done before.

[@duaneludwig8958]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@aPerfectcircle23]

It is all back together it’s one jiu jitsu lol just not all schools teach self defense

[@forgedsledge]

They way I understand it, there is not really a "comparison" between the IBJJF and the JJGF. The IBJJF is a governing sports body (with sanctions) while the JJGF is an association or a collective that also does competitions. To use football as an example, it'd be like comparing the NFL (a sports organization) to the NFLPA (an organization for NFL players). A better (or a closer) comparison would almost be Gracie Barra and the JJGF, as both are a collective of individual schools that also set up competitions within the collective. The main difference would be the JJGF is closer to an organization comprised of multiple affiliates, while Gracie Barra is single affiliate comprised of multiple franchised schools. Either way, all are being run and or operated by the best in the art. So much knowledge and I would love to train with them all... If I'm wrong, please correct me.

[@sp6990]

Where my other three girls at?! 😹🙋🏻‍♀️⚡️🇧🇷 great vid on the BJJ orgs. I was at the RGC in Albany. Great event. It really showcased what his vision is. 👍🏽

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

glad you got to go. i didn't :-(

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

we subbed your channel. where's YOUR vids? find the other three girls and make a response video to one of our videos!

[@sp6990]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu I really didn’t know what to expect. I was there for his seminar portion. I didn’t get to stay the next day for the comp. Jitjitsu Times filmed a portion of it and posted. Glad Bc I got to take some notes after. A lot of talent in that room. Will never forget it

[@sp6990]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu thank you! I will talk to my fellow unicorns and see if they can put it together. I just got to really using my instagram last year. Stephanienyc108 Am but a humble but persistent blue belt, so don’t have much to share in terms of technique, but I’ll let the youngins do their vid magic. I def respect how hard it is to put these together. 😄📱👍🏽

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Share experiences, instead!

[@slick222]

Not really comparable or a rivalry per se. One defines the sport, the other is trying to get a hearing.