Carnivores and Vegans: Could it be B12?

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Very nice video. I am a neurologist, and almost all of the patients I have diagnosed with neurological manifestations of B12 deficiency are omnivores. I did have one vegan patient with peripheral neuropathy due to b12 deficiency, but almost all vegans take B12 supplements. One criticism of the video is that elevated homocysteine and methylmalonate can have other causes, particularly in the elderly. I do agree with Dr. Michael Greger that sublingual B12 is recommended given that many people have poor gastrointestinal absorption of B12. Of note, this does appear to work in people with pernicious anemia, though injectable B12 is always recommended to everyone with very low B12 to raise levels quickly. Another point I would make is to warn people against nitrous oxide use for recreational purposes, as I have had multiple patients develop B12 deficiency and subacute combined degeneration of the spinal cord (nitrous oxide causes B12 deficiency).

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thank you, Dr. Beaber. Fascinating info about nitrous oxide. I had read that but thought surely it must be somewhat rare? I'm very glad you weighed in about it. 👏

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

@@Viva-Longevity It's rare, but I have seen ~3-4 cases in my career.

[@Vscustomprinting]

Why are humans taken into account separately than other animals on these issues? The whole thing is modern society base. We've tried to replace nature with tech, with the promise of pills.. As a microbiologist, I study the lapses disciplines have with nutrition science insights.. Things are quickly and radically changing, and I know it's human ego that is the challenge.. As a neurologist, you don't want to change or have to deal with people living dueling lifestyles.. you've invested your entire life so you demand respect.. and this holding onto power and authority that is the true hindering factor of people dealing with preventable disease.

[@Vscustomprinting]

And I'd love to see the rates of this occuring in recreation whip it users. Your claims, regardless of any truths, definitely seems absurd.. Do you also warn your patients than animal products inherently disrupt B12 use, regulation, and recycling? Are you also warning your patience not to rely on modern societies promises of miracle cures in a pill? Nutrient synthesis and the sharing of metabolites between microbes has even been fully explored.. even further adding to the absurdity of your claims.. Let's talk about cultured foods? Not hypersterilizing your environment? Artificial fertilizers and rapid soil degradation? Let's talk about all of modern societies promises and conveniences.. Or you can just take a pill and keep driving your car and eating your meat and working your cushy job that keeps the system going.. Neither of you have truly sloughed the data that's currently available about B12 pathways... Neither of you are even commenting on current finding.. instead hyper focusing on bad data, and self assertions (of course nitrogen affects the body, it affects all living organisms). If I had to say what was going on, is that these people have chronic diet issues, bad lifestyle choices, so even if it were the whippits that messed them up, it was their overall epigenetic makeup that facilitated further complications.. I really don't think you "professionals" are as smart or informed as you think you are.. I'll just have to do it myself.. @plant chomper, why don't you let me borrow that nice camera of yours

[@marlobardo4274]

Dr Beaber are elevated levels of B12 associated with increased mortality even after controlling for other variables? Dr Ben Stanfield is of this opinion. And how high a level of B12 before it becomes too elevated for optimal health?

[@pdfbanana]

i've just started a vegan diet, and youtube gifted me with one of your videos in my recommendations a few days ago. this has quickly become one of my favorite channels, and it's led me to your ted talk as well. your witty & humble presentation and focus on science are refreshing also, as a young person who's spent a good bit of their youth online, it's heartening to see how you deal with disagreement. vitriolic arguments are tiresome, as is always claiming both sides are valid or equally correct. thoughtful disagreement is necessary to finding the truth. thank you

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks banana! For some reason the channel got very busy this month and I'm starting to see a lot of angry, personal comments. Since you watched my TEDx talk, you know I worked for Steve Jobs and he could get very angry and personal, which intimidated a lot of employees. But I always had to restrain a smile when he did that with me because I thought if the great Steve Jobs, who really was great, had to get personal to win an argument, he's got nothing. Just give him time, Chris, and try to understand why he's so emotional about it. My opinion is the same is true with high meat eaters. They love it, ditching processed food helped them lose a lot of weight, it's part of their tradition, etc., so it is emotional and they are so frustrated that they can't point to the studies high plant eaters can point to about longevity and health. Their impression is going vegan means eating broccoli and never feeling satisfied. Can you blame them for being emotional?

[@pdfbanana]

@@Viva-Longevity food is understandably an emotional, personal subject. or, more accurately, it's the intersection of several. it's great to see someone producing approachable, science-based content without antagonizing anyone

[@jonnieinbangkok]

Don't forget to check out "Freelee The Banana Girl" channel for more vegan nutrition advice...with your handle, it appears you're more than half there already.

[@EclecticianG]

Just in case you're unaware, Banana, switching from an omnivorous diet, especially if it contained lots of animal products and processed food, to vegan can be challenging. One reason is just because you miss the flavors you loved, but another is that if you're suddenly intaking a lot more fiber, you're probably going to have diarrhea. Ramp up your fiber intake over a week or two, such as by starting with 90% white rice and 10% black, brown, wild or red rice. Each day, decrease the white by 10% or so, and add more of the dark rices. If you start noticing problems, give your guts a few days to adjust before altering it again. I hope that helps, and welcome aboard! I'm also switching!

[@ponnamy]

Please read the book "Becoming Vegan: The Complete Reference to Plant-Based Nutrition (Comprehensive Edition)" by Brenda Davis, RD and Vesanto Melina, MS RD for proper vegan nutrition guidance . Happy vegan journey!

[@Jack-cs5pm]

As a biochemist with experience in this particular subject - there is quite allot of evidence that Hydroxocobalamin (the form most commonly found in food and milk) is superior to cyanocobalamin and/or methylcobalamin. Whilst the cyanide group liberated from cyanocobalamin is not very harmful (though there have been reports of blindness in those with cyanide-sensitive optic conditions), the ability of the mitochondria to de-alkyate the cyanide group from the cyanocobalamin is not very good and therefore much of the vitamin is excreted and it does not act in the same way as hydroxocobalamin. Also hydroxocobalamin is superior in terms of the ratio of conversion to active forms and also how it deposits in liver and kidney tissue. The NHS in the UK has banned cyanocobalamin injections for these very reasons, as hydroxocobalamin always gives better results and it is still very cheap.

[@strangerr13]

I just found your channel and it’s perfect! Long video style, heavily researched, interesting visuals, book recommendations, and your honest! Thank you! I can’t believe this channel hasn’t blown up.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! It's funny, it got ~6,000 subscribers during its first 15 months of life and then ~9,000 in the last 3 weeks. 🤷

[@daraghosullivan1157]

@@Viva-Longevity So glad to hear about the recent big increase in subscribers.. I've been following you since the beginning and the quality is top-notch professional. If you wanted to get more subscribers, you could appear as a guest on some big shows (eg Chef AJ, Dr Barnard)

[@Ermude10]

Just checked in on the channel again, and it seems like you're starting to see an increased growth! Finally! Well deserved!

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! 6,000 subscribers in the first 15 months, 14,000 new in the last 3 weeks!

[@joecaner]

As I began watching, I immediately started searching for citations about the supplementation of B12 for livestock. I should have known that you would include it. Your videos are very well researched.

[@HepCatJack]

The bacteria which produces B12 live in the colon which creates B12 that is inaccessible. When livestock feed on grass that's contaminated by feces, they get their B12 that way.

[@mushypeasplease8872]

@@HepCatJack - is that why they're always recommending grass fed beef, as apposed to the beef raised in sheds? I wonder why even pasture raised cattle need b12 supplementation then. Is it because of all the antibiotics they them?

[@HepCatJack]

@@mushypeasplease8872 beef in shed will eat cow pie contaminated hay. The reason that grass fed is recommended is that it will contain a better ratio of Omega 3 / Omega 6 oils. Corn is high in Omega six poor in Omega 3. It's a good idea to feed cattle some seaweed for this reason. (Cuts down on flatulence as well). Also, fresh grass will contain vitamin K1 and Vitamin K2. Vitamin K degrades quickly when fresh grass is mowed to make Hay. Vitamin K1, helps with coagulation of wounds, Vitamin K2 works with Vitamin D to decalcify arteries and build strong bones and teeth as well as a strong immune system.

[@Tinky1rs]

@@mushypeasplease8872 Pastures can be low in cobalt, which means the bacteria within the cow's rumen cannot produce a lot of B12. This can be naturally low, or due to long-term grazing depleting the soil of cobalt. On the other hand, you can fix that by spraying cobalt-enriched fertilizer on your pastures.

[@andybahn624]

After 56 years of an omnivore diet heavy in red meats and animal proteins, I decided to try a vegan diet a year ago as a means to bring my cholesterol down (286 total). I immediately saw positive results - 207 total cholesterol after 7 months and a steady weight loss from 225 lbs to 185 lbs a year later. In January I started to experience some back pain and a week ago I had severe back and abdominal pain with a horrible vomiting episode that landed me in the hospital. After an ultrasound and CT scan, it was determined that my gallbladder was Not in good shape (thickening of walls, sludge and stones) and it was removed. After two surgeries (also had ERCP to clear bile ducts) I had fatigue but I now feel great and on the road to recovery. Many of my omnivore and carnivore friends pointed to my vegan diet. The doctors and surgeons at hospital were supportive of my diet, but suggested the rapid weight loss may have been the cause. I tend to think my 56 years of animal proteins and fat consumption may have laid the foundations for gallbladder problem which weight loss may have tipped balance. I’m wondering if this is something other vegans have experienced or if you’ve done an episode in the past on gallbladder health and Vegans. I’m also curious if there may have been an alternative to removal of gallbladder - although I was very easily convinced given the pain that led me to ER. Great Channel and thanks for all the great content!

[@Viva-Longevity]

Wow, Andy, I'm so sorry to hear that. Gallstones are above my pay grade but Dr. Klaper has a great video about them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZzOYXmQjLmraqs 👈 I hope that helps!

[@andybahn624]

Thanks for the link. That helped a lot!!

[@prabhatkb2221]

Rapid weight loss will build cholesterol stones on gallbladder,and it doesn't matter if weight loss was due to keto,vegan or carnivorous diet.

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

​@@prabhatkb2221but i heard high fat is detrimental for gallbladder, so could carbohydrates help avoid excessive deficit and balance the metabolism by having some energy to work with and additionally the rich fiber content which could reduce excessive cholesterol?

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

​@@Viva-Longevitythanks for your research

[@rickagfoster]

Slagging Kriss Kresser is always fun! The gift that keeps on giving! Thanks Plant Chompers!! 👍👍

[@Viva-Longevity]

That Kresser clip is still up and gets tons of views, much more than the views of legit scientists. 😢

[@donfisher8979]

Glad to see your subscriber numbers going up. Your videos should be mandatory viewing for anybody concerned about their health.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks Don! I dunno what happened, but suddenly the view count is going nuts (at least by my standards). Videos that only had 4,000 views after 60 days got 40,000 in the last two weeks. 🤷

[@geekbot5000]

Yeah man you are definitely blowing up. Well deserved!

[@Kyle-hw2jr]

@@Viva-Longevity the algorithm must he really pushing your channel for some reason. I was listening to several hours of keto and carnivore content and your videos kept popping up. I like them a lot and they give me another perspective. I would love to hear you have a friendly debate with Dr Anthony chaffee. You both are very smart and polite. Both make great points and think it would be great for everyone.

[@MatthewWitt12]

@@Viva-Longevity When you continually make high quality videos, the KZbin algorithms will eventually reward you.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! I decided not to pursue all the SEO tricks and just make the best videos I can, even if they take too long, so maybe that strategy is starting to work.

[@jeremysumpter8939]

Very glad I found your channel , I have been struggling lately with nutrition and having a fear of death, On top of that alot of depression and tbh I think most of it is caused by terrible nutrition having a negative effect on my body and mind. Trying to absorb all the information I can to make a change in my life.

[@sunsidhe]

It almost doesn't even matter what the subject is. Chris could make a fantastic video about pretty much anything.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thank you! 😁

[@lizzzarduh]

I think this video deserves a part 2 !

[@geekbot5000]

Has anyone ever told you that you sound like Steve Martin and look like Larry David? I am totally hooked on your stuff man. I was thinking about your videos that I've been binge watching for the last two weeks since I found you and if you take people like me who are way over weight and have diabetes and put them on the keto diet (like I'm on) and they see all the advantages of being on a healthier diet than the SAD, whose to say these people, once they have lost 150 pounds and put their insulin resistance in remission won't then strive to be even healthier by eating a moderate amount of carbs and getting way more fruits and vegetables in their diet. I'm reading the book "The End of Cravings" right now because you recommended it and I can't thank you enough. You got to start somewhere and for some people the keto diet is like a stepping stone to eating right. To be totally honest I'm never going to give up beef 100% if ribeye goes up to $100 a pound I will still buy it a couple of times a year, but what I can see myself doing is cutting way back because I see that eating plants is good for you. You have really helped and I think you are way smart, honest and fair.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! 😁😎 Many congrats on your weight loss! What an achievement. 💪👏💥

[@LinusBerglund]

Over here in sweden, we supplement even grazing cows with cobalt, because our soils are lacking it. Without it the cows can't produce cobalamin. That is common in many places, even for cows that are fed mostly by grazing.

[@ONeill01]

Common in Ireland too

[@spencerprice1676]

Love these videos, my only complaint is that there isn't enough of them! :)

[@MrFiskeost]

Very true

[@someguy2135]

I agree. On the other hand, the number of videos he has produced since he started the channel are pretty impressive, considering all the research he obviously does. He also takes the time for editing and graphics that make for compelling viewing.

[@soypusher5567]

Do you love them because they tell you what you want to hear?

[@tnvol5331]

Higher levels of B-12 have been linked to increased cancer so be careful not to overdo it. I am vegan and take 500 units once a week, but I have considered 500 every other week.

[@ladynymue]

Have you had your B12 levels checked? Its better to be informed so you know how best to supplement if needed.

[@tnvol5331]

@@ladynymue yes, they are at the low end of the acceptable range

[@loose167]

I really love your presentation style! I've binged a few videos and really feel like I'm learning more and more. I've been vegan for 3 years but only as I come to the end of my 20s am I now starting to really look at what I eat and what nutrients I'm getting (better late than never? oops) I've been vegetarian most my adult life and even before then, as a child who ate meat, I imagine I was very nutrient-deficient.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Better late than never?! You're a child! 😁 You're very lucky to get into this while still in your 20s. 👏

[@glogloria1355]

Thank you for making these videos, I only found your channel last night. I'm an obese vegan trying to figure out how to get healthy and thin. My mother, great Aunt and grandmother all have or had pernicious anemia, they are or were meat eaters. I feel I'm in a mind field. I'm educated and accomplished yet struggling with my weight. It's the one thing that drags me down in life. The information you have provided in this and other videos has opened me up to some new books I'm going to consume. Thank you.

[@cnghiem67]

Stay away from oils and processed foods. I highly recommend you read and follow John McDougall 's book, The Starch Solution.

[@jhunt5578]

It annoys me when people try to appeal to natural forms of B12 being superior. Even some silly Vegans want to avoid B12 supplementation for some ridiculous appeal to nature reasons. That crystallised B12 is a thing of beauty. Great video as always 👍

[@LeanAndMean44]

B12 is not found in plants, but there’s a bit more to the story: “Plants do not contain cobalamin because they have no cobalamin-dependent enzymes. Deficiencies are therefore common in strict vegetarians5, and in the elderly, who are susceptible to an autoimmune disorder that prevents its efficient uptake6. In contrast, many algae are rich in vitamin B12, with some species, such as Porphyra yezoensis (Nori), containing as much cobalamin as liver7. Despite this, the role of the cofactor in algal metabolism remains unknown, as does the source of the vitamin for these organisms. A survey of 326 algal species revealed that 171 species require exogenous vitamin B12 for growth, implying that more than half of the algal kingdom are cobalamin auxotrophs. Here we show that the role of vitamin B12 in algal metabolism is primarily as a cofactor for vitamin B12-dependent methionine synthase, and that cobalamin auxotrophy has arisen numerous times throughout evolution, probably owing to the loss of the vitamin B12-independent form of the enzyme. The source of cobalamin seems to be bacteria, indicating an important and unsuspected symbiosis.” - Source: “Algae acquire vitamin B12 through a symbiotic relationship with bacteria” - Nature.

[@Vscustomprinting]

B12 is found in plants.. sorry, not sorry.. just give it up.. The whole paradigm is centered around blaming all the problems that an animal product based diet has on a plant based diet... It's ridiculous.

[@sora-vn5tk]

@@Vscustomprinting shut the fuck up vegan diet is not coherent evolution wise

[@someguy2135]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clark

[@Viva-Longevity]

That’s exactly why I used that quote! Once upon a time I worked for a company called General Magic, and the name was inspired by him. There’s a great documentary about that.

[@someguy2135]

@@Viva-Longevity I figured that you knew. I wanted to share the source for your other viewers. I'm glad you keep your videos from getting bogged down with details like that. The comment section is the place for that sort of thing.

[@couchoudbataller]

Hello, can you please do a top 12 nutrition books? Some begginer stuff and some medium and advanced content too. Incredible channel! I'm learning A LOT! Binge watching for sure!

[@betzib8021]

These are the BEST videos!

[@Control747]

Thanks for another great video. I love how you're going down all the usual Vegan problems/attacks.

[@maenad1231]

People need to stop arguing whether a diet is “natural” or not. That doesn’t matter because natural ≠ superior and unnatural ≠ inferior. It’s so infuriating. It’s absolutely a good thing we aren’t eating contaminated water, soil and poop anymore. People just need to take a chewable B12 supplement if they are at risk of a deficiency regardless of their diet. If it’s not absorbing properly then take sublingual instead. If your levels still aren’t going up then get tested to see if you have a messed MTHFR gene and thus need methylated B12 You make many good points. Thanks for not playing down the necessity of vegans taking B12 just for the sake of painting diets without animal products as the most “natural”

[@queengoblin]

The idea of supplementing the health of your organs with that exact organ of another living being reminds me of the book "In The House Of The Scorpion" by Nancy Farmer in which a rich opium Lord harvests the organs of his fully sentient clones to increase his lifespan. I read this book several times when I was a kid and it made a great impact on me. The logic behind, for example, eating kidney to support your kidneys makes some kind of sense pseudoscientifically but doesn't hold up. Those animals you are sourcing the kidney from eat plants to make their kidneys healthy. So why not just simplify, cut out the middle man, and learn how to eat plants? Eating a serving of green beans every day isn't a balanced plant based diet. Humans evolved eating a variety of plant foods every day. So we need to be eating more than one or two types of plants. This idea that we can't get everything we need living off the land and must kill other animals for our food is basic scarcity mindset, probably left over mentality from people who lived in northern climates and had to supplement with meat to survive.

[@VeganV5912]

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[@Ermude10]

Before jumping to the conclusion that we can just cut out the middle man, we should evaluate if we're able to absorb the necessary nutrients that the plant eating animals can. For instance, we don't have the necessary gut biome AFAIK to be able to live off grass, but all the other plants we normally eat should satisfy our needs.

[@queengoblin]

@@Ermude10 right. I could have worded that better. Obviously we do not eat grass. By cutting out the middle man I am saying instead of outsourcing our needs to animals we learn what plants our bodies need instead.

[@Jordy-927]

@@queengoblin beans and rice for example. I'm so amazed by food pairings to obtain complete protein profiles. I now have cranberries in my oatmeal as another example. I am even more amazed at how human instinct has done this for aeons.

[@CharlieFader]

@@VeganV5912 keep in mind that these percentages refer to the theoretical and impossible complete absorption of all the B12 that would be in (a teaspoon of) fortified nutritional yeast, marmite etc Unfortunately only a small percentage of that is absorbed, so these percentages are useless. Ok, they’re good for marketing purposes I guess.

[@sikun7894]

Would love an episode on Choline! I found it's super hard to get 100% RDA on a vegan diet

[@someguy2135]

Chris- I already linked to your video to help me win another debate in a different comment section. It's easy to win debates when the facts are on my side. Thank you for helping me to win another one. All of us plant chompers should spread the word!

[@Kristers_K]

The presentation by Willemina Rietsema was interesting and certainly more defined than what you would normally be able to google, and i can say i had the majority of the symptoms many years ago, as you may recall the story of my severe lethargy. Now that i think about it, back then i never supplemented B12...or supplement anything for that matter. Interestingly that going vegan changed all that, as in, the symptoms gradually went away, all of this hit me with the realization - i replaced dairy with plant milks and other products that are fortified with B12, in addition to taking occasional B12 supplement later down the line...as it was recommended when researching a vegan diet as whole, wasn't aware of it unti, then. What has cought my eye now is pernicious anemia, even though i don't have any of the symptoms anymore for many years, due it's relation to B12, going to look into it more. Learning something new from your videos every time, highly infiormative and well made, love the enthusiasm :) Like you, i don't look at specific nutrients, but food/nutrional prfile as whole, so a lot escapes my perception :)

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks, Kristers. So glad to hear your symptoms are subsiding, whatever the reason. Going vegan is what got me focused on B12 too.

[@larryllama5225]

@@Viva-Longevity You're not vegan if you're shilling shots and pills for pharma. You care nothing about animals.

[@MrTomr316]

This channel is going to go big 🌱

[@tyrioneffects2179]

Iam a fresh vegetarian and found your channel. I love your content! Thank you!

[@famillioner]

The slide your video shows at 12:29 where it compares b12 to MS is not accurate, it might even be very wrong from what I know about both conditions. Love your videos and I'm happy to see you channel finally getting the recongnition it deservers recently. Greetings from Germany!

[@Austin-jp9pi]

Low b12 can mimic ms, coming from someone who has been diagnosed with ms. I still can't rule out b12 deficiency as being my problem, since I recently started taking a high dose and seeing some things that I have had for years go away .

[@Wholetman]

Great informative and at the same time funny channel. Hoping you would do something on chronic gout one day. My friend Lito misses about 6 weeks of work every year because of it. Keep up the good work.

[@thewills12]

Black cherry extract. Like 6 bucks at the health store. Start taking a couple of those a day (pill form is fine) should treat the gout

[@pekkakarilahti5261]

Your channel is amazing! I find it odd that you don't have more subscribers.

[@JnTmarie]

Wow so entertaining and informative. Thanks for the tour too.

[@evanpeterjones]

8:20 casually throwing the screenshot explaining how the meat-eating quack doctors also promote anti-vaccine misinformation was subtle and just perfect. Quickly becoming my favorite channel.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Hahaha, thanks. I really struggled with the whole supplement salesmen issue...how to get the facts out without it being a personal attack. 🤷

[@larryllama5225]

@@Viva-Longevity Yet here you are promoting synthetic supplements and poison shots... and FEAR. What's up with the face diaper?

[@goranbreskic4304]

@@larryllama5225 What's with the rudeness?

[@arturo45]

@@larryllama5225 He's at the Evergreen Museum in Oregon. I'm pretty sure they have a make mandate for visitors. And you're a Llama, so there's that.

[@blueskies4evr]

@@larryllama5225 been

[@ooo789456123]

Great video, so well researched and also debunking the misleading claims from those fake health gurus.

[@vireo148]

"Calling front-desk. Do we have a model b12 on display? What's a model b12? No idea, but a man with a camera is pacing around trying to find it."

[@Viva-Longevity]

Hahaha! 😅 I did get approached by a lot of staff volunteers. They were all aging vets, very friendly, but very curious about what I was doing walking around talking to a fancy camera on a 3-axis gimbal to stabilize it. They thought the gimbal was like rocket science. 😁

[@someguy2135]

Anyone who could benefit from supplements should take them. Vegans and animal eaters alike.

[@thoughtsandprayers]

You got something wrong about the study by Meyer et al. - it's not about women supplementing with both B12 and folate; but rather those supplementing with both B12 and B6.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Argh, how did I make that mistake? Thanks for the catch and I'm sorry you had to point that out. I will use one of KZbin's after-the-fact captions to make a correction. 😢

[@superspeederbooster]

Rocket surgeons are the smartest!

[@Jordy-927]

Was going to post the same comment. Lol

[@dragan176]

Well, it's not brain surgery

[@silvertoothpick]

Another fantastic, engaging, enlightening and entertaining video. Great idea to film it in that inspiring location. Your videos are forensically well researched and are among the best on KZbin. 🚀

[@joeblowjo]

There's actually many B12 sources in plants. Duckweed spirulina Chlorella, eat a bit of dirt on your potatoes every so often.

[@guttergoat]

I've been vegan for 6 years now and I've always had problems with B12 because supplements didn't seem to work that well for me and neither vegan milk with added B12 but then I found out about Nutritional Yeast (Nooch) and I've been putting cashews and Nooch in the blender with a bit of salt & water to make this rich in B12 cashew sauce. Also been putting Nooch in salads. 100% recommend it for vegan people.

[@lizzzarduh]

What is kaju? Are you worried about getting too much of the other b vitamins added to nooch?

[@guttergoat]

@@lizzzarduh I meant "cashews". You have to use them in order to obtain the "sauce"

[@TriasJoys]

I love your videos, extremely well researched and every citation is on point, but you add nuance and depth to every discussion and you are quite fair when comparing 2 different perspectives. I'd would really love for you to do a video on intermittent fasting that seems to me to be a dieting fad too. Thank you for being so informative, your videos have helped me to transition to a very processed veganism to a less processed one.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks Alan! I am interested in intermittent fasting too. I don't want to believe it helps because I hate fasting, but when I get to it I'll try to be open minded. Working on oils at the moment.

[@shanemccurdy]

Chris! Chris! Oh no! @13:30 you have confused B6 as B9, which is folate. I don't know what you can do to address this, but it is a very very important distinction. Thank you for your content in general; and I have watched many of your videos several times. So I know you will want to address this error in some way.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thank you, Shane. Right you are and that misstatement kills me!

[@peppermintsubmarine]

Chris, thanks for another excellent video - it is always a pleasure to hear your analyses. I would love to see a video on dairy in the future!

[@beepbeepnj2658]

No vitamins or supplements, more is not better just adequate: Since major conventional food sources of vitamin B12 are well known to be of animal origins, we expected a higher prevalence of vitamin B12 deficiency in Korean centenarians compared to that found in centenarians in Europe or North America where consumption on animal products is much higher. However, the prevalence of Korean centenarians with a low serum vitamin B12 (

[@romantheroman98]

What about Kombucha, Kefir and Yoghurt. All self fermented, how is their availability of B12 since you said it is created through fermentation? Do you have to still supplement it?

[@augustinaskaltonas5440]

TL;DR: gas and smelly sweats are keeping me from going plant based Hi, I just discovered Your channel and binged almost every video :D Personally, I would go plant based, but anytime I eat anything with more fiber I experience unbearable gas(even after fruit) and really smelly sweat, which doesn't happen on keto. I tried sticking to plant based for months but gassing and smell never subsided. Then I tried plant based fiberless approach(white potatoes, non-whole foods) and the gas went away but the smell persisted. Because of these symptoms I currently do keto, but I want to live as long and as healthy as I can and science says plant based diet is the way. If anyone had a similar experience I would greatly appreciate the help. Thanks! 😁

[@Viva-Longevity]

I did have a similar experience so think I can feel your pain. This was my story: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoOrq31tj7N7rJY

[@Phyto_Chemicals]

Is there a relationship between B12 supplementation and weight gain similar to the one you reported with B6?

[@KrocksInTheKitchen]

Awesome video! But I have to say... I've now added the Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum to my list of places to visit! 😆That place looks amazing! I love aircraft and spacecraft. I actually took a personal tour of the U.S. Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville with former NASA scientist (and current plant based guru) Ray Cronise. It was the best time I've ever had at a museum. 😀 Keep up the great work on this channel! -Brian

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks Brian!

[@DoctorHerbivore]

Excellent content. Another interesting finding is that the typical human liver contains about 3 years' worth of stored Vitamin B12. In a strange coincidence, the label 'vegan' was coined in 1944 and Vitamin B12 was discovered 3 years later, almost as if right on time for those early vegans to start supplementing :) (of course, the connection to disease and available supplements came later)

[@planetofthevegans880]

So what you're saying is that B12 is all just marketing and fear propaganda. I totally agree. I've never taken synthetic supplements nor will I ever, and I've been vegan a lot more than 3 years.

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

Tbf for the "supplementing your meat and fat diet with meat and fat" line. Paul only actually recommends the heart and soil products if you can't get organ meats (or, often more specifically, grass fed organ meats) already via regular diet, so it's not exactly just adding what you're already eating.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Point taken. Thanks.

[@Viva-Longevity]

@Oatmeal , I kept that in mind today as I listened to some of his podcasts and he spends a lot of time up front promoting them for everyone and says he takes them himself.

[@peterbedford2610]

Wouldnt it make sense to test people for inflammation markers? See what diets create the lowest inflammation.

[@Sahira-123]

Love Plant Chompers! Always so much fun learning and enjoying this whole matter! :)

[@VeganLinked]

Alrighty, some thoughts and questions: There's also some plants that actually do pull b12 into their structure, water lentils for example. There's the ability to also make this happen via the soil or hydroponically. Some teas and fermented plant foods have it also. I am curious about B12 in sea vegetables and algae. I understand some of those may have analogs that may prevent absorption though, so it's a matter of which... And these could be unpredictable amounts I suppose. As for b12 in animals, isn't it true that the only reason b12 is on animal flesh is because it was cross contaminated with it? Like during the slaughtering process I've heard it is cross contaminated with feces. So, for anything to have it plant or animal flesh it would need to be contaminated with it essentially. Putting it this way makes it more of an even playing field between sources. Nutritional Yeast that is fortified with B12 is usually also fortified with folic acid which is very bad. So, I get unfortified Nooch :) I get that B12 is water soluble but having high b12 levels, do we even know what that means yet? It's my understanding the best test is holotranscobalamin. As for the type, I think Greger also says the cyanocobalamin is the cheapest and therefore the most studied and proven to be the safest and most effective. I'm always jealous of your awesome work. I wish I had someone fun to hang out with you like that kid does! :) I wish we could produce content together, like full time. It would be explosive. Maybe we can at least do a couple projects together hopefully...

[@tonimacaskill6533]

Uh oh, that's fascinating about folate in nooch. My B12 levels are so high I stopped supplementing for the time being. Maybe I should go back to supplementing with a tablet and get unfortified nooch.

[@VeganLinked]

@@tonimacaskill6533 it's not folate, it's folic acid which is a synthetic form of B9. It's best just to get folate from greens, beans, nuts, seeds, whole grains.

[@lizzzarduh]

I love your channel!

[@FM-qm5xs]

I wish they would stop adding a whole lot of crap to nooch. I love it but one of the vitamins they put in in always triggers migraines for me. I've had the same problem with supplements.

[@VeganLinked]

@@FM-qm5xs Yeah, you can get it unfortified though for sure.

[@MikeB-il1uv]

Just found your channel and already enjoy your presentation style immensely. Have a question: you bring up B12 and Iron in many of the videos I've seen, but when I transitioned to vegetarianism as a runner a lot of videos brought up Omega-3's and 6's for joint health. Is that something you consider? Thanks for your time.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! Yes, I'm working on an episode about oils at the moment. 😁

[@larsmichael6242]

With all this carnivore diet media attention i happened to stumble across your channel. Can't believe it's only at 21k subs. Bet it's going to the moon real soon. Such a treasure trove of information and great production! Would love to hear your views on cooking oils, witch to stick with / stay away from and reasonable amounts to use as to avoid health issues. I cook mostly Indian style dishes and i find it to be key to use a lot of oil for the flavors from the spices to integrate. A friend of mine, much more health conscious than me, told me to stay away from all seed oils, so I've stuck with extra virgin olive oil for the last decade or so. Is there any validity to his claim?

[@rileymills3856]

@Plant Chompers what about fortified nutritional yeast as a convenient source of B12? A tasty seasoning instead of a pill.

[@Viva-Longevity]

YUM!!

[@Jilleyful]

Lol I laughed out loud at the exclamation at the end! Oh, my freakin, heckin mustard!! Bahahaha!

[@mariojaneiro22]

Congrats! Your videos are great!

[@lastharvest4044]

Great video. Well balanced analysis.

[@pmw3839]

Good video but you never mentioned B12 causing acne. Dr. Greger does. And I think that taking a high dose (1,000 micrograms/day) gave me breakouts on parts of my face (lower lip and chin) that I never before had a problem with.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Fascinating, PMW. Thanks for the heads-up about that.

[@marlanamay7205]

Loving your videos. I have been looking over keto, vegetarian, vegan, fruitarian, and fasting. Would love to see what you think of fruitarian and fasting.

[@jochn919]

So is it better to chew the vitamin pills rather than swallow them? Even if the pills look like a hard tablet and not a gummy chewable one?

[@samanthab5006]

Always great content, thank you!

[@zogzog1063]

I am a rocket surgeon and I approve of this add.

[@Viva-Longevity]

😂

[@Zvire09]

This is really hard. When I went vegan almost a year ago, I went fully on. I was taking my suplements. At first, it felt really good and I wasn´t questioning it at all, I was determined that this is for life. I was following the science data and all the doctors and youtubers. But I was getting thinner and thinner and my gut was just not working as it should. I mean it was bad and every fart smelled like death (not exagorating). I was eating whole food mostly (I live in country side, so I was almost always cooking). Friends and family were pointing out that I dont look good (I didnt) but I didnt listen, I´ve even liked how I look, I thought this is normal. Minor depressions started to occur. Now I see that I wall mentaly ill. I had to try really hard to stay stable. Now when I talk about it with vegans, they tell me that I am full of excues (some of them) and shame me. But since I´ve reintroduced animal products all problems went away. So that for me is a clear indicator, that nutrition shouldnt be a rocket science. It should be easy and just about how you feel. But you must be truly conected to your body. Maybe I will find a way to be more plant based, but never vegan again, this ideology was blinding me.

[@myrhev]

At times in my life I have eaten everything and nothing. I have been vegan, vegetarian, omnivorous, keto, and carnivore. Each way I ate had advantages and disadvantages. I firmly believe diet isn’t a one size fits all. I think each person should find the diet plan that works for them. In your case being vegan didn’t work. For someone else being carnivore might not work.

[@doddsalfa]

I thought brain surgeon were smart,then I saw Ben Carson and released it’s a skill

[@WohaliTheOneandOnly]

Check your spelling. lolol Released or realized? I bet Ben Carson got it right.

[@TheaHFrancis]

What are your thoughts on the high positive results of Bovine leukemia virus in human breast cancer tissues? USDA found 83.9% of U.S. dairy operations tested positive for BLV.

[@lady_engine]

I am not vegan but I have cut down on animal products significantly the past few years and I was relying on fortified plant milks for b12. I am wondering if that is enough. Should probably go get tested to make sure.

[@mmmmmmmmmmm111]

I think fortified food is not enough, I'd take a supplement anyway. Once a week 2000 mcg isn't that annoying or hard to take!

[@MrRollingEgo]

Go vegan though, bit of murder is still murder

[@tracyehrenberg6074]

yes, get tested!

[@VeganLinked]

I just take 2,500 mcgs once a week. Easy peasy, cheap insurance. ❤

[@Stephen-kf8um]

Hi. Didn't you say Mr. Chomper you were going to do a follow up to this B12 video?

[@ausforaus7617]

I have MS and looking at the symptoms there is a definite correlation, so it is B12 for me (along with many other things I have learned on this most interesting channel)

[@GreenPartyofMalaysia]

I am WFPB and OMAD and my VITAMIN B12 is > 1,500 and way off the charts. I don’t take B12 supplements. How come? 50-90% of what I eat is raw. The truth is, my gut microbiome makes it for me. If you eat only cooked food, you will not be able to inoculate your gut with the necessary bacteria that makes the B12 (every time you poop, you lose a bit of the gut biota, so you need to keep inoculating yourself with the necessary strains of soul bacteria by eating raw veg, esp root veg like carrots and sweet potatoes.

[@contentstarved991]

3:20 Old age: it’s not just in prison where you’re reluctant to pick up the soap.

[@Nicksonian]

Subject request: EXERCISE! As an athlete, could you do a video on exercise? Specifically, I have seen videos by several keto gurus (including former Olympic decathlete Sten Ekberg) suggesting that endurance training is bad for us. I’ve been running, on and off and on again, for 50 years and that floored me first time I heard it. At 64, I have added more resistance training, but after cutting way back on running, I’ve decided the psychological benefits outweigh any minor physical deterents, if any.

[@philliponfitness]

another complicated topic but at least its not rocket science

[@Viva-Longevity]

😂😂😂👏

[@TheReaderOnTheWall]

I loved the video, but did not understood what actionnable item I can do as a Vegan. Should I take supplements or not?

[@peanutnutter1]

Dr. Gregor says take 50mcg daily or 2000mcg weekly.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Argh, sorry if I wasn't clear. Yes, supplement! But be wary of megadosing.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Sorry, I wasn't very clear about that. I provided links in the description to Dr. Harrington's 3-part series on B12, and also to several Dr. Greger videos about B12.

[@TheAyikita1]

Chris, please make a video about food absorbility, lectins, and phytates. Some omnis use this argument against plant-based proteins.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Will do. I'm working on an episode right now about oils, so after that one.

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

Thank you so much for your wonderful channel and video's. You have a very humorous, balanced, and truthful attitude toward every subject. I have been an ethical vegan for 20+ years. I believe 99% of ALL farm animals are fed vitamins and supplements including B12, (even the "pastured" animals) and humans who eat the flesh, organs, eggs, and dairy from those animals, in essence, ARE EATING SUPPLEMENTS. And I do notice that so many doctors who promote high fat (such as Dr. Mercola, Dr. Berg>>>), high protein, and even vegan lifestyles, also sell a myriad of dietary supplements. And, your wife can buy NON-fortified nutritional yeast which lacks the B12 and orange color. I do take B12 sublinguals, or, liquid as well as magnesium, zinc, iodine and D3. I was experiencing tingling and numbness, and had my first blood test in many years, this by a clinical nutritionist and acupuncturist. My tests revealed that I have extremely high levels of B12, but among others, my levels of D3 and A, (even though I consume carrots and sweet potatoes, payaya) were very low. Turns out the lyme i contracted years ago had affected my organs and absorption issues. My nutritionists' protocols deal with improved digestion, liver issues, immune system issues. Just because symptoms of B12 deficiency surface, the cause may not be low B12. But getting a test from a qualified practitioner, helps!. cheers.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! But yikes, Lyme disease. When I did the episode on oils, I sat on a log in the forest to change camera batteries and 8 ticks got to my abdomen, which I didn’t notice for a few hours. The bites got seriously inflamed and I seemed to get inflammation in places I’ve never had it before, like my knees. It was crazy for a month. I am very allergic to bees, always have been.

[@samuelmiensinompe4902]

Being a herbivore is perfectly natural if we were living in the wild. We would get our b12 just like other animals. One thing you did not mention is that duckweed is a plant, and contains large amounts of b12! So you can get b12 from plants. You can also get b12 from nori, a sea weed. So yea, you can get some plants with b12. You don’t have to take supplements. Nori is also a great source of iodine! What is strange is that you can’t get duckweed at a shopping center. You have to order them from the internet.

[@4SeasonCycling]

I have been a Vegan for two years and was told one of the best ways for your body to absorb B12 is in form of liquid (drops). Once in the morning, before my oats and banana, I place a 'spurt' 1mL under my tongue to allow proper absorption. My blood work came back with very healthy levels of B12! It's an easy fix if you are deficient.

[@Igz-hr7gb]

Supplementing B12 can be tricky! I experienced pretty bad heart palpitations taking cyanocobalamin 100 mcg/daily as a tablet. Even saw a cardiologist to see if everything was ok (luckily it is) and determined the supplement was quite likely the reason as they subsided after putting it away. I now take methylcobalamin in liquid form and it seems to be working well for me.

[@georgewilson7808]

90% of B12 supplements produced in the world are fed to livestock. Meat has B12 because animals are given supplements to eat and then those supplements enter the human diet when meat is eaten. Meat eaters like to pretend they don't need supplements, but they shovel them down the throats of the animals they eat. B12 is made by bacteria, plants and animals do not make B12. B12 is found in plants like seaweed, algae, nutritional yeast, shiitake mushrooms, and a few others. B12 is often fortified in breakfast cereals. Adults only need 2.4 micrograms per day of B12 to meet the RDA.

[@queengoblin]

I really wish there was no mask so I could read your lips and facial expressions. It is stressful for me as an autistic person to understand what someone is saying with masks on. I really love what you are doing with your channel. Thank you so much for the effort you are putting in!! Rreally great video.

[@Magickfae]

I agree.. it's not necessary..

[@kaiunknown382]

Just turn on the captions

[@evepiphany]

There is a transcript too.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Sorry about the mask. It was required for entry to the museum. But I made sure to include accurate closed captions.

[@jasminemarseilles5070]

Everyone: great vid! Me: Was he in Huntsville? Did I miss a chance to meet him?

[@Viva-Longevity]

Ha! I was born in Birmingham but this airplane museum is in Oregon where my daughter lives. 😁

[@aureliaglenn2220]

I prefer to take a b12 supplement instead of fortified nutritional yeast, because the fortified yeast also contains other b vitamins, which makes me nervous about over dosing on them. (As the margin of safety for the other b vitamins is smaller than that of b12.) When I do use nutritional yeast, I use the unfortified variety, which I find also tastes better. (But that may just be a personal preference.)

[@lizzzarduh]

I like to mix unfortified with a little fortified

[@FM-qm5xs]

What brand is unfortified? I get migraines from the vitamins they put in nooch.

[@lizzzarduh]

@@FM-qm5xs I think it’s alive foods but let me check

[@lizzzarduh]

Ya it’s called foods alive

[@FM-qm5xs]

@@lizzzarduh Thanks :)

[@yonatan1myers]

You seem to read A LOT. Could you you make a video on the books you would most sugest and the ones to avoid?

[@Giarrujd]

Can I just take a multi with vitamin b12 if I’m going plant based?

[@marlobardo4274]

So is it the case that elevated levels of B12 associated with increased mortality even after controlling for other variables? Dr Ben Stanfield is of this opinion. And how high a level of B12 before it becomes too elevated for optimal health?

[@EclecticianG]

Hey, could you take a look at Olipop Sodas and tell me what you think? They seem to be a definite improvement over regular sodas.

[@phatmonkey11]

That Mitchell and Webb Look!

[@RogerHyam]

Another good one Chris, thanks. My family has never taken supplements until we started taking D recently - we're in Scotland so sun is an issue. Despite being veggie and vegan I think we get enough B12 because everything seems to be fortified with it. You didn't mention much about fermented veggies as a source. Tempe etc. Yum.

[@salsspar2132]

@@MB10097 agreed. fermented foood, fortified foods and etc the amount matters as much what gets abdorbed and utilized. if your gonna supplement methylcoblamin it is asorb much better. but get tested first. also it takes time for b12 to bevome deficient.

[@RogerHyam]

I'm healthy with no symptoms so why would I get a test? I guess you're in the US and that's a big cultural difference. I don't even know my cholesterol level! I had a fasting lipid test when I was 50 (I'm 57) and the nurse looked at the blood he drew and said "You're fine. You can see the fat if you've got a problem" When the results came I was fine. Don't have a clue what the numbers actually were. Maybe I'll get a check over when I'm 60 and maybe they'll do a B12 then. The only reason to have tests is if you are actually ill. A test isn't going to change what I should be eating or how I should exercise. The recommendations are the same for everyone without issues - whole plant based and lots of movement. Tests can only lead over to medicalisation (dangerous) unless there is evidence a screenimg program works at population level. E.g. I occasionally check blood pressure and get a poop test for colon cancer every other year. I wonder if it is even necessary to weigh myself regularly. I know when I'm fat and not since my 20's have I been skinny. (sorry long reply)

[@pinacolada1393]

I try and eat more fatty fish & green leafy vegetables. I wish I had access to more fresh seafood. I try to avoid red meat.

[@RogerHyam]

@@pinacolada1393 But why do you eat fish? Billions of people don't and they are fine and healthy.

[@pinacolada1393]

@@RogerHyam It's lean & nutritious. Plus I have noticed I get in a better mood & my quality of sleep has improved. I also eat Lentils & Chickpeas but Fatty fish like Sardines are great. I also think that billions of people don't consume proper nutrition and are depressed. Our gut is like a 2nd brain, what we consume can either make us or break us.

[@Radjehuty]

Great video though it does go to show that we need plenty more research. Lots of people just don't have access to testing so it'd be nice to know if we can be more sure about the dosing/frequency of dosing of B12 is needed to stay safe. The RDA for B12 just seems like useless information to the average person because we know absorption is an issue in animals in general. For me personally, I get around 250% - 350% of the RDA through fortified foods on a predominantly WFPB diet but still take occasional supplements since I just can't know if I'm ever really getting enough.

[@Viva-Longevity]

I agree 100%.

[@Michelleamicheal]

You mentioned that your wife's B12 level was high. Where did she get this sort of blood test? It isn't usually part of a common blood chemistry panel, is it.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Her doctor knows she's vegan, so she ordered it as an addition to standard blood tests.

[@superspeederbooster]

Makes something about yougurt and other fermented dairy.

[@grangervinall8094]

So water based snakes are higher in the omega 3s. In the jungle they prefer water boa fat over other snakes. I always thought that was cool.

[@ArticBlueFox96]

This video gave me a lot to think about and to do further research. These points were very informative. P.S. the part about farm animal supplementation and how b12 is a fermented vitamin made me wonder if we should be spraying our crops and soil with probiotics to help provide b12 and other nutrients.

[@Ermude10]

It's not just any bacteria that produce it, and it sounds like a very inefficient way to provide b12 to the masses, but maybe that's the best way to ensure everyone gets it no matter what they eat...

[@ArticBlueFox96]

@@Ermude10 Well I would expect that we would choose a blend of bacteria, archea, protists, microscopic fungi, microscopic plants and animals, algae, and viruses meant to produce the nutrients we want and to promote crop health (and culinary properties), animal health, human health, and ecological health. Though I am sure this would not work for all nutrients, and the experts would need to do studies and research if this would be beneficial (and by how much), pointless, or harmful, or if there are even better options.

[@Ermude10]

@@ArticBlueFox96 Agree. There's also the question of if spraying this blend of microorganisms that can produce B12 actually results in higher B12 on the crops afterwards. It's probably quite likely that many of these microorganisms would just die after being sprayed due to the environment not being habitable.

[@DanielleaBella33]

This was great!! Can you PLEASE do a video on the literature on animal fats vs plant fats and omega ratio????!! There is so much info out there to navigate it hard to know the truth. Should all fat only be user sparingly or can certain plant fats be eaten regularly? Or like some people saying canola oil is actually healthy because of its 2:1 ratio or that olive oil which has been considered a superfood actually has a high omega ratio for omega 6 which we dont want too much of. And as we know coconut oil a plant fat can give you heart disease just as much as butter. I’d love to see what you can discover on this topic as I want to be eating the good fats in the right amounts and avoid the bad fats but its so hard to know what is what!