Caroline Lucas and Yanis Varoufakis | THE CORRUPTION OF PARLIAMENT | Podcast 5

This podcast is released alongside the acclaimed new docuseries 'In The Eye Of The Storm - The Political Odyssey Of Yanis Varoufakis'. Watch it here: www.eyeofthestorm.info
Caroline Lucas was first elected as Member of Parliament for Brighton Pavilion in 2010 to become the UK's first (and so far only) Green MP. To find out more, go to: carolinelucas.com/caroline/bi...
Yanis Varoufakis is an economist, politician, author and the former finance minister of Greece. To find out more, go to: www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/
Raoul Martinez is a philosopher, author and filmmaker. To find out more, go to: www.creatingfreedom.info
'Eye Of The Storm Podcast' will release new episodes each week with renowned guests from the world of politics and the arts. Our first episode, however, kicks off with an in-depth interview with Yanis Varoufakis. Please like and subscribe.
PRODUCED BY DAVIDE CASTRO AND FRANCESCA MARTINEZ.

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[@taraswift]

Please remind us on Caroline Lucas's stance on Julian Assange? On the Genocide in Gaza? Deafening silence!

[@nmk5003]

Please invite the Harvard professor, philosopher and former Brazilian Minister of Strategic Affairs Roberto Unger.

[@carrerau7138]

I think the Natzi/Marxist community is quite limited in the end. And powerless and feckless.

[@geraldrsc325]

😅

[@susanvadencourt1241]

A true heroine who will be sorely missed as a sane voice in Parliament.

[@OgreMan-cg6ok]

There are no words to express my gratitude for the dedication and integrity demonstrated here by Yanis and Caroline. Your contributions to this reality is beyond critically important, please don't stop fighting for this better world.

[@ClearlyLefty]

Finally! A weekly podcast featuring Yanis! Thank you for making this 💙💙

[@user-id8lw9oy4x]

Caroline has been a brilliant MP

[@juliewake4585]

It’s so wonderful to hear her erudition and thoughtfulness, both in the House of Commons and elsewhere.

[@susanmiller14]

How different the country would be if Caroline had been PM.

[@Archie460]

All the best to Caroline, a brilliant politician and I 💯 agree with her we are no longer living in a free democracy but instead we are living under a fascist regime. I really hope that Yanis can win in the upcoming election to defend our freedoms and liberties. Thanks for the podcast 🙏

[@taraswift]

I agree, she WAS a brilliant politician when she was an MEP. I was a big fan of hers. She shifted to the right since.

[@lebladful]

Many thanks, it's a democracy of the oligarchy : " censorship, Financial lobbies, dictatorship

[@evafontaine88]

The logic of the lesser evil. You don't need malicious people to create hell on earth. So right.

[@vincentrockel1149]

The problems caused by the globalized corporate structure can not be fixed by the globalized corporate structure. When the pursuit of profits is the basic operating principle, then overreach will always be inevitable.

[@Mattfortean]

Green Party voter; wonderful to see Caroline on this. ‘Really bad things are happening’ in the UK. Yes,sadly very true. For many of us the UK is becoming relentlessly hostile. Sunak’s pronouncement on people with depression and other mental health issues is not the first time I’ve felt personally targeted. Naming things as they are is crucial in a country that still seems to be deluded about what it’s mutating into.

[@brandmanager4595]

Yanis is the most brilliant academic I have ever come across. He understands and can link social sciences in a way that is simply amazing. Caroline is already one of my favourite British politicians.

[@fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602]

Democracy gained shape and strength almost at the same time that Athens built a powerful naval fleet used first to defeat the Persians at Salamis and then to impose Athenian interests and the democratic form of government on the weaker Greek cities and islands. The naval Empire that enriched the city state commanded by Pericles and aroused fear in Sparta provoked the Peloponnesian war and the defeat of Athens. Here we have several important themes to reflect on: to obtain the raw materials necessary to build warships, Athens had to devastate forests; democracy is not incompatible with the militarization of foreign policy and the emergence of imperialism abroad; the curse of exporting democratic political rule did not arise in the USA, but in Athens. Democracy, destruction of nature and political violence go hand in hand. This regime contains the seeds of its destruction. We need to create a form of governance that is historically different from democracy and politically non-authoritarian.

[@vincentrockel1149]

History has taught us that very few people who want to be politicians have an egalitarian disposition. If you want the best chance of good representation, then the representatives should be nominated, and it should be viewed as an honor and responsibility to the people.

[@timflowers1490]

And herein lies the real crux of the issue. Politicians put forward and elected this way would mean much fairer representation and overall balance on all political matters. The really important, progressive thing would be that these people would reject corporate lobbying and finance, and do the right thing instead.

[@steffen1405]

The most legendary MP! Soon the dam will break and we'll have many more Green MPs insha'Allah

[@dianahodge6879]

Some very simple things to do that would make a difference. Get rid of the 'first past the post system', as Caroline mentioned. Get rid of ID at voting. Hold elections on the weekend to enable more access, or hold over a couple of days. Get rid of the house of lords, as Caroline menrioned.

[@taraswift]

Really? Is that all that is wrong with the system? All is well then!

[@dianahodge6879]

@@taraswift of course not.

[@taraswift]

What else then, cause we certainly dont hear it from Caroline. ​@@dianahodge6879

[@Johnconno]

Never happen. Not in Lilliput.

[@grainnefallon7713]

We have the proportional representation single transferable vote that our Republic here in Ireland was founded on, and we have citizen assemblies and a codified constitution. And we get exactly who we vote for, right down to the last vote. And we know our elected personally and can speak to them pretty easily. So, how is it that I feel so unrepresented in this democracy here in Ireland ? Of yea, Facebook and the media can manipulate the voters into opinions that will ensure its the immigration, and the foreigners, father 🇮🇪 look over there everyone. Our RTE channel here in Ireland doesn't even Tey to hide its presentation of the narrative now and channel 4 has been silenced by Iseral somehow. excellent conversation, Rauol, Caroline and Yanis. Please stay in and try and change this system 🙏

[@vawan9160]

Western philosophy is too focused on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. At all cost. So logically you obtain individualistic persons. So much more than concern for society. Observe the Scandinavian people.

[@TennesseeJed]

I am so very glad to get the opportunity to understand these subjects, but I doubt seriously the oligarchy will shift anything without a population, climate and energy calamity first.

[@grainnefallon7713]

What a wonderful conversation, thank you all so much ❤

[@josephfredbill]

Perfect argument about the Prisoners Dilemna Yanis. When I was a young man I KNEW that co-operation produced better results than competition but I needed to prove it. Then I read: Robert Axelrod - The Evolution of Co-operation. Since then it has been shown that there are more complex contexts and it doesnt cover all situations - nevertheless its a great principle and I have tried to live my life by it - if in doubt, offer co-operation (or if you are buddhist act in kindness). The observation that this is good is my rationale for not needing religious belief. I would recommend to people to read it. There is much more to it - there is awareness, buddhism, the nature of consciousness, evolution, our relation with our history - but its still a great and simple principle.

[@MikBak1814]

A great point to highlight! Thank you. I would just add, for historical context, that Peter Alekseyevich Kropotkin wrote Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution nearly a hundred years before Axelrod’s The Evolution of Cooperation and only shortly after Darwin’s On the Origin of Species. We’ve known about this essential element of natural selection for well over a century but power systems make sure it’s buried well below the text books promoting survival of the fittest narratives that apply to society and most importantly economics.

[@PeppermintPatties]

Thanks! I will check these works out! 🙏😁

[@marctucciaronemusic7738]

Fantastic minds ! So illuminating and hopeful Thank you

[@rubybarker791]

Great sharp, honest analysis. Thank you. Equally heartening and depressing. Democracy has to be a continual active process of challenge and effort if it’s to benefit us, it’s a struggle on many levels. Let’s not give up! Rx

[@nimetbelhoula5462]

Money rules the World. It is sadly nothing new, but the democrycies are dying and that is frightening me. Thank you all for your brilliant podcast and many greetings from Germany.

[@Allgood33]

Democracy is a good idea that's destroyed by the same people who created it but with strong feudalistic tendency.

[@Azoz195]

My two favourite political people together in conversation. Wow. Love it

[@geraldinecowan8301]

Thank hou Yanis, Green washing is something i have emailed Caroline, and other Greens about, but nobody seemed to understand and my Green friends get cross with me. You explained it perfectly. I'll explain more to them re weaponisng. I understand my Green friends because they have worked so many years to bring about a Green change in society. Do either of you have any articles or books about this?

[@elroy3421]

I have not watched the series yet but I intend to. The past couple of interviews have been great but I’m struck by the glaring omission of the hijacking of public health in the last four years. I believe this accelerated the dismantling of democratic ideals.

[@julienbengkee5422]

The dead don't vote!

[@markym5002]

You've connected everything! 🤯Computer shutting down.

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

Excellent thoughts and analyses with logical consequences. Thank you.

[@geraldinecowan8301]

Excellent on Lesser EVIL! THANK YOU

[@kennethhymes9734]

Subscribed for Yanis' exposition of why we should reject consequentialism.

[@kayleyedwards7141]

Excellent conversation

[@thamaratarek2272]

Great content and speakers as always

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

The banality of the evil. What excellent insight by Hannah Arendt. And you. 😂❤

[@luciaspaetgens1366]

Caroline....GOOD POWER TO YOU + YOUR LIGHTFULLY WORK..❤😊🎉

[@fidaullahhimat8172]

Excellent!

[@waynemcmillan5970]

Virtue is its own reward.

[@zantecarroll4448]

hearing this conversation fills me with hope and love and inspiration ..i am so grateful thank you

[@amebec1614]

From the Greens in AZ, thank you all for this conversation!!!!

[@taraswift]

I still do not understand, caroline's choice to drift to the right for the sake of the EU. I was not impressed by her speeches at 'people's vote' rallies, no mention of austerity, no mention of Climate Change, claiming Russian interference and labelling all who voted yes to Brexit as bigots. The Green party allied itself with the Blairites & Conservative Europhiles while the Labour party had a left wing leader, facing daily attacks from Caroline's new allies then. (Correction Caroline & JJ both jumped on AS bandwagon against JC in 2019, allegations that were concocted by the media caroline herself criticises) I could not understand how the Green Party could think you can get just transition for a green new deal being allied to the establishment. Since then i lost my trust and stopped voting Green

[@fidomusic]

Indeed. Caroline was also instrumental in getting The Greens to adopt the ridiculous IHRA definition of antisemitism, which limits criticism of Israel. Moreover, she threw Dr David Miller under the bus by signing a letter calling for him to be investigated by Bristol University for "antisemitism". He was eventually sacked, but then took his case to court and won, meaning that now antizionism is now legally protected free speech in England and Wales, no thanks to Lucas.

[@eliasE989]

Thanks!

[@JoeWolsing]

Very informative and useful. I'm surprised that KZbin is not just taking it down! Thanks for sharing!

[@joiedevie3901]

Thank you all for your amazing work.

[@Mattfortean]

So right also to talk about imagination. Such a crucial way of transforming possibilities and getting out of the “there is no alternative” trap that has stifled the uk since Thatcher.

[@thatsneakyrabbit]

Great convo. Thanks for your work.

[@user-id8lw9oy4x]

‘The fallacy of the lesser evil’ love it 🥰

[@pauladams1829]

❤

[@ohyesitsme]

If only the majority would listen and understand.

[@kurtklingbeil6900]

It must be made a criminal offence for any public officials to utter or cause to be uttered any falsehoods. If the official judicial racket tefuses to enforce that Commin Law, ut must be enforced extra -judicially. Robespierre worked out a solution centuries ago. A decentralized distributed bottom up version must be mounted - one which dispenses with public spectacle... .. into the night they go ...

[@tonyprice1526]

Corporate power has fully aligned with political power. The perfect form of fascism according to Mussolini. Its here, established and active.

[@alice1374]

The local election results were really promising for the greens!

[@ParanoidBishop]

Never forget her crucial role in the deposing of Corbyn and thwarting his Brexit deal. The brass neck on these people.

[@janewright2800]

Didn't realise that! Would have thought Caroline and Corbyn would have agreed on green issues

[@ericmorrison9912]

Would love to see Yanis on JRE

[@andrewwalsh2755]

democracy has been privatised... like a public utility... It was there, organised by the people, to serve and benefit the people... Over time, the parties accepted donations from supporters... why shouldn't they?... Over time, the donors wanted preferential treatment for their donations... why wouldn't they?... Over time, they wanted their family and friends in influential positions in the parties... Over time, the donations were not a gift... they were a purchase... Time to start again...

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

Sorry the like button sometimes doesn't work and I wonder why not.

[@zantecarroll4448]

i love listening to and reading yanis ..i resonate with his logic and his illogic .. we must be illogical and do what is good for the hell of it..we must be the crazies ..we must live by the principles of love and truth and beauty not by these ruthless logial arguments of utilitarianism ..nothing sends shudders through my being more than the logic of atrocities in order apparently to prevent greater future atrocities ..we must dance and sing together, and sometimes alone, in the streets for the hell of it ..for the love of life ..for the love of everyone and every species ..love maybe ilogical but it is never the less the only solution ❤

[@hatfullofsky2470]

Fantastic discussion, really interesting. Is there no way to encourage and make concrete the future planet parents want for their children. And young people ie teenagers and up, want for themselves. And then contrast that with the imminent future we are, in fact, creating?

[@betod63]

Democracy never existed in the West. Welfare capitalism only existed so that the subaltern classes would not be captured by those who opposed the system. The workers achieved a good deal of bargaining power to ensure their well-being. When the socialist bloc falls, welfare capitalism ends and production is sent to Asia, where the value of labor was much cheaper and thus, those who own the means of production ensured an increase in their profits, at the same time that there was a dispossession of the working class. Apart from that, each war manufactured by the power behind the power has been restricting public freedoms, to the point of leaving them without scenery, especially now with the genocide in Palestine, where the West experiences growing totalitarianism and a population with a drastic brainwashing who lives in an illusion of democracy.

[@jeromefalasca5118]

Yanis for president ❤

[@gerardbiddle1808]

Descarte says “I think ,therefore I am” rather than “I am who I am” as Aquinas in his Summa Theologica describes “God as the being who is “I am because I am” . Humanity has proclaimed himself as God. The real conflict is therefore between Faith and Reason and the mad man in the street running around proclaiming according to Nietche as the man who has killed God. Thank you all for the presentation.

[@fidomusic]

Nietzsche 🙂

[@akpanekpo6025]

I salute all three of you, and thanks for continuing to educate me. But I'm unable to agree with the "lesser evil" thesis in regard to environmental policy. I believe it's all about what these "leaders" stand to gain personally whether directly (e.g., personal income from the fossil-fuel industry) or indirectly (e.g., party donations). It's also about whom these people serve (literally). In much of the West, we know that these "leaders" are all in the pockets of the wealthy and the powerful, and money is the most powerful incentive or motivation. And if that's your incentive or motivation, it allows you no room for the kind of moral judgment that the "lesser evil" thesis implies. Indeed, Yanis himself impliedly acknowledges my views by invoking the "prisoner's dilemma."

[@futures2247]

those questions at the 30 minute mark seem questions about the fundamental nature of the human condition steeped in our vulnerability, fragility, fear and ultimate isolation in a sense of self and our ultimate delusion that we are none of these things.

[@joeldwest]

Love love love you Yanis.

[@miriamliremberg5840]

Yanis are you planning to come to Montreal to give a talk?

[@ariebazhar]

"The gardener's task is to water, with cans brimming to the top. The Lord's task to make it bloom, whether he so wills or not." ~ Mian Muhammad Baksh Do good for no reason other than doing good 🙏🏽

[@janapender4989]

❤❤❤

[@nmk5003]

I will keep saying this, this podcast would benefit from an interesting voice/guest like Roberto Unger, the author of the book The Knowledge Economy.

[@jamesdunn8968]

I voted for Green in the local and county council elections. Greens now have 800 seats!!!

[@geraldinecowan8301]

There is a system in America, especially in state elections, where the person or party you vote for includes their aims/promises that are included in the vote so you can legally hold them to account if they don't do what they say.

[@markarchambault4783]

Really? I wish I had known!

[@ChrispyNut]

10:40 - The biggest problem with "digital democracy" is safeguarding the voter, something which isn't currently done with postal voting. Domestic abusers are currently able to dictate how their captor votes. This can extend also to "employers" of highly vulnerable people. This could be accounted for with something along the lines of a VR headset, where it will not display unless it's sure it's being properly worn so only the wearer can view the screen, using bio-metrics to know who is wearing it. There's a bunch of clever cryptographic stuff that would need to be implemented as well, to anonomise the vote (as that's important, but crucially missing when it comes to voting on legislation), but all of this drastically raises the price, but is required to maintain a secure democracy (aside from the externalities).

[@thomasmclory1604]

Will never forget when Caroline ran with the pack and attacked Corbyn. She showed her true colours. I used to respect her but she's just another liberal who throws a few bob into the bucket and says "look at me" Sad really.

[@patcampton7163]

She didn't do that. It was more complicated than that.

[@conniekaler]

I don't see the powerful choosing to change a system that benefits them and it's a loosing battle for us to fight against them. Wouldn't it be better for the masses to come together to create our own system?

[@luciaspaetgens1366]

Yannis ...take a big eye of her...❤😊

[@vulcwen]

The thing about the prisoner's dilemma is actually kind of weird. If there is only a SINGLE event, then indeed your selfish rational best interest leads to non-cooperation. However, life isn't just a single event, it's many events. And in that case, your selfish best interest is actually to cooperate as much as possible, but to retaliate against those that don't, while being forgiving. The many-event prisoner's dilemma actually is in complete support of "screw the consequenses".

[@user-gl2wu2fs8h]

Democracy, History and Culture , Diverse narratives from American, Australian and Singaporean Professors 1. "China doesn't want an outdated Western style of Democracy" : kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYukqWuYf9Clq7csi=xV0-z_OHEJjy5bYD 2. History and Political Culture of Meritocracy: 2 a) kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIHChKONYqmsh8ksi=J04DFzdMIDUeVGRt 2 b) kzbin.infoWZKU0Kr7BaA?si=b0kjRgWelzyFIodk 2c) kzbin.infoq0BI_PGyzek?si=biCj4FlSFJV4nM1-

[@ramie237]

I saw democracy be destroyed in the birthplace of democracy in 2014.

[@niclas9990]

Why 2014? What happened in Greece then?

[@simonBailey-dy3qy]

Citizens assemblies

[@EdSurridge]

The error is these people thinking they are those who take the least from the world as they seek the most power. Cursory nods to Deliberative Democracy are an insult to those who advocate for it as the best system. These people would except the advise of Citizens Assemblies etc and then make "their " decision's as to what is politically expedient / possible in exactly the same way as is happening now. Shame and condemnation on their greedy selfishness. If they truly knew or believed that deliberative democracy was better than their personal re remuneration and prospects results they would say so and stand for it. They don't because of ignorance ignorance at best when it's staring them in the face. If you think they can be trusted take a look their greedy errors

[@ritascheuermann8495]

In which country do people think they can decide over their destiny? If elections could effect something they would long been forbidden. For some to be made slaves and worse the merry go round goes faster and faster.

[@TheDynamicmarket]

benefit with environmentalism is that your child and grandchild will have a good life. many people make wrong cost-benefit analysis. if you have wrong insufficient data you make bad calculations. not all cost-benefit analyses are perfect. there have been many extinctions failures bankruptcies in history.

[@mikeharvey9811]

Bexit and why we must NEVER have a referendum on capital punishment or euthanasia. Barb

[@davehawes8177]

Englishness used to be associated with nature. Your religion was nature worship.

[@TheDynamicmarket]

foreign aid is .5% to 1% gdp of rich nations. why? there is no world govt. that is how much households give voluntarily to charity.

[@geraldinecowan8301]

Caroline is right about nature but children, these days, are b 50:47 eing raised in a too sterile environment. They don't know the thrill of making mud pies and playing with worms. Mud under their nails at school might bring about legal procedures against the teacher and school..

[@GuyCruls]

canary in the coal mine...one issue I have with the left and progressives is this blind spot they have for demographics such as housing and worker coops, community land trusts, intentional communities and others. those demographics, thanks to their communal lifestyle, enjoy, I suspect, more rewarding lives and, therefore, better mental and emotional health and more opportunities to experience the creative experience. while there is no doubt that those on the left very much value those demographics, the amount of work they put into promoting and growing those alternative solutions is badly lacking it seems to me. canary in the coalmine...such alternative solutions showcase, point the finger in the direction of, saner lives, freer lives, more SUSTAINABLE lives. why are they sooooooo greyed out in the political discourse of the left, progressives and the greens? canary in the coalmine...when such alternative paths are threatened, are stifled, are not promoted, then they stand to, potentially, shrink in terms of numbers. sociologically, how many leftist, progressive and green politicians belong to a housing coop or a community land trust or any other such alternative collective solution. praxis...lead the way by example. break the mould and out of the bourgeois atomic, individualistic lifestyle.

[@KurtBossy]

Ww3 is proof that we have never really been able to accept this existence without killing alot of things and having nothing . We never learnt to have nothing

[@user-vadimsirbu]

They are kidding you .

[@asknwclips7672]

lol

[@brigittescott-florek263]

Caroline was for me the last Green,look at Germany there are now many who have become brown with initial good intentions but becom🎉ing fundamentalists and acting like a cult...well received what you said Yanis

[@imacmill]

You're following his remarkable johnny?

[@monsieurhercule]

The logic of the lesser evil also underpins any credibility Putin has left, Medvedev would be more extreme and less measured, we'd have world war 3 by now and so on.

[@imacmill]

Anyone have any info on a British YTer whose last name is Tousi? He's at the forefront of the hate my wife is feeding on.

[@MikusMusik]

I'm all for Proportional Representation but Caroline is wrong I think to say we wouldn't have got the Tory/LibDem coalition - its exactly that kind of coalition that PR enables. Coalitions are a default in a PR system.

[@imacmill]

My christian wife has been gorging on right-wing YTers who are all telling her that Britain and the EU have been fully taken over my Islamists, and all is lost over there. Furthermore, the entire christian world is in danger of the same thing, and it's underway everywhere.

[@patcampton7163]

Please reassure her that it's not true.in the UK we are more at risk from our politicians than the Muslims here.

[@EthirielPhotography]

The right have always had the psychologists advising how to manipulate the population. Perhaps the left now need some advisers of their own

[@pedrothewise2584]

three very wise minds indeed.good conversation.

[@isokabooks3758]

Democracy what democracy? Those coupon clipping Insider dealers are done for. Incontinent Uncle Sam your days of greed is good are numbered.

[@KurtBossy]

How do we justify existing im such a terrible tyrannical militarist capitalist nightmare that we know deep inside hates our guts

[@futures2247]

broken or bought?

[@paulking8055]

So let's hear where you two stand on the zionist state then? Either of you taken the money?