Streamlining our Land Speed Mini Bike!

[@paulweigle6872]

Ike did an amazing job on the fiberglass, considering he didn't use a mold. Hats off brother. You should be proud of that.

[@justinoliver1984]

I mean.... Just my humble opinion, but Ike is the backbone of C&C. Yeah John is more on the logistics/business side of things and plays his part. But Ike's knowledge and experience is unwavering. So WELL DONE Isaac! Making custom panels outta scrap isnt easy.

[@joshivy7792]

This is the premise of the show from the beginning even before Charles was around

[@justinoliver1984]

Yep.... Been here for a few yrs. Been watching since the Black widow kart built in johns dads garage. Was just 2 Buddies building fun toys

[@ogvids7716]

I wish I could make customs panels for my mini bike

[@justinoliver1984]

@@ogvids7716 you can man. A little patience, the right materials and research. It's not too hard at all. Success is only accomplished after failure.

[@SportbikerNZ]

I'd say they're all equal in making the show enjoyable.

[@CarsandCameras]

The wheel/tire combo is killer on this build!

[@Zane.Wellnitz]

Plastic wearable leg fairings or ski boots🤙🏻

[@FadedLightXx]

something else you can mess with is a 30/40 series styled shifter pulley. it goes from 1:3 to 1:1 and than the other gear has the other ratio connected to the chain. also can lighten the spring on that to get to the full gear quicker or slower and can swap springs to tune it to go quicker. My ct200u can go 60+ i need to balance the tires though lol that or i have a bent axle. it has a subaru ex13 5.0 overhead cam and valve with push rods. hot little motor. stock exhaust aswell just gov taken out and replaced the carb when I got it. it likes to dump fuel which is odd i have to back the throttle screw off if its sitting. (New OEM carb)

[@FadedLightXx]

also i like the gloss black stripes a lot

[@johnlonnevik5917]

Streamlined Soccer Shin Guards.

[@rydplrs71]

The good thing about December is cold air density. On racing snowmobiles 10-20 degrees in temperature drop requires one jet size increase to match the fuel to the better air.

[@larrycarlston4044]

Most Bonneville bikes have vent holes at the back of the tail to release built up air pressure. Just a thought.

[@handsonwithblg4949]

Get one of those pointy motorcycle drag racing helmets . They run from around 200 dollars to over 900 dollars . They have a fin on back to help with air flow .

[@draggonhedd]

So the general rule of thumb for a tapered tail for lowest drag, is 7 degrees. super fast matt's video on his land speed car body has some good info.

[@topshopbuildandfabricate24]

I have been watching yall from the very beginning when John did a corvette review and I have to say that yall have developed in a perfect balance of personalities, skills, projects and style one of the most entertaining shows on KZbin I get excited every time a episode drops and that’s takes a lot to get me excited I’m 62 lol

[@allenmichaud1605]

That scooter racing going on in Europe is fast and no joke. I hope them dudes like your bike. It's the most ninja scooter racing on earth

[@Robert-ni6ut]

IKE did a great job on the fiberglass work and when he ate that 🌽 corn curl off the hot welded metal I lost it lol 😅 keep up the great work C+C 👍

[@tylerfaith2042]

Bring back some of the older builds and revamp them please please

[@dannmohr5721]

Paint the faring black too👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸🏁🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@davidallison669]

So cool seeing you guys get into fiberglass. I bet your snowmobile rental cart could get another 10 mph in the 1/8th with custom aero.

[@SportbikerNZ]

I don't reckon. Full aero vs no aero (exposed cage) on boosted boiz tesla was only good for +4mph in the quarter. 126.95mph vs 122.95mph and .119s improvement.

[@taylor_imaging]

I say this and I speak from experience! You will be better off with the fairing bolted to the frame! I put a similar fairing on my sv650 and the wind pulled the bars all over the place at speed! It was sometimes uncomfortably unstable. I can only imagine how bad it would be on this.

[@JohnMGibby]

Just my $0.02... I think having a smooth fairing in front of your legs will give the air less resistance. The air hitting all the bike parts and your legs, even tucked in is a lot more air resistance. Also, a lot of air and salt/dirt will get up in the tail section with no bottom on it. Either totally enclose it, or add some vents to let the air out.

[@Mrshotshell]

Agreed. Their legs are already adding frontal area so it would be better to have it streamlined

[@geoffburrill9850]

Looking great. Maybe more primer/filler under paint would help?

[@bob9864]

Just a little bit of help for the next time you use Bondo filler. Check out a guy that does custom stuff. Goes by the name of Bad Chad. He mixes a bit of fiberglass resin into the filler along with the hardener, it makes the filler lay down smoother so there's not as many lumps and bumps to sand out. Keep up the good work. Been a fan from the rat wagon build

[@Solodad-f1y]

That guy is a creep

[@bob9864]

@@Solodad-f1y yes but I watched a couple of times. One was when he was mixing Bondo and resin and hardener. It went on smoothly

[@nessie42786]

Mad noodly tweekers vibes.

[@maxtaylor1026]

The exhaust needs to be center exit. That way, the exhaust gases are helping to fill the aerodynamic vacuum at the back, and the vacuum is drawing the gas out of the exhaust pipe, reducing back pressure on the piston during the exhaust stroke. Koenigsegg, Pagani, Ferrari you name it, they are all doing in to their cars.

[@Nunya_Bidnez]

Ruff texturing is actually more aerodynamic than smooth. Hence the dimples on golf balls and fuzz on tennis balls. Don't believe me? Check into it. Adam Savage will tell you the same thing.

[@Bdogg12784]

You should build the front faring and try it both was. I get you don't want it to be real wide but I think your tail section would work better with the another air around the bike.

[@nikkiLee-hf6gx]

Some advice passed on from my father to you 3 guys...... Him and my uncle raced KZ 650s in the 1990s. they raced 1/2, 1, and 2 mile for speed, not time. In the stock class you bolt on anything, but no mods and no upgrades( bigger carbs, header, etc). Dad came up with an idea, he took 14 inch long by 10 inch wide thin plexiglass and using hose clamps and epoxy made deflectors that went from the bottom of the triple tree to the axle. They were angled about 25 degrees. he said in half mile it added 9-11MPH. While not very aerodynamic, the amount deflected from the legs was greater than the drag from the legs. He suggest doing it. an increase in 15% weight, done correctly, will yield a 25% increase in aerodynamics, increase speed exponentially. I hope that makes sense to y'all.

[@lifewithjonathan5277]

Just a suggestion for next time, y'all make something out of fiberglass or carbon fiber. Use disposable plastic instead of cardboard. It peels off easier. I would also suggest putting a small wheel in the tail just in case y'all do a wheelie. Bike looks great love the video.

[@joedaly4195]

Streamlining the nose is worth a lot more than streamlining the tail. The entry has more significant drag than the exit. Your nose fairing doesn't cover enough of the rider's frontal area to be really effective.

[@brettgofgosky1911]

Yup, the rider should be tucked into it

[@robertevans9354]

Cold dense air makes for great power , don't let that curtail your efforts but below 33 degrees is no bueno . Love this build , it's the stuff legends like yourselves are made of .

[@CarsandCameras]

Methanol won't act right below 50 degrees!

[@BoneHead-Gaming]

why did you want it smooth? have you ever seen a smooth golf ball?

[@timgunn3670]

I like the format with longer episodes once a week

[@Rumstein357]

They are trying something new. How many times can they build a yard cart? I like the new direction. I look forward to see what they dream up.

[@Stephen-xy4zb]

Keep in mind you might need to put a vent of some sort on the rear fairing if it acts like a parachute.

[@peterland7388]

Rolling resistance is the key. Your smooth, hard tires are a great addition! Good work. guys!

[@CarsandCameras]

Thank you!

[@2wheelzdown180]

Awesome build! May be start looking into safety wiring your axle nuts and important hardware. It’s bit time consuming but definitely a nice safe guard .

[@segue2ant395]

Rattlecan tips: after you're done if you wanna use the can again, hold it upside-down and give it a few squirts til only air comes out. Clears out the pipes and nozzle, makes sure it's good to go next time.

[@CMPLT_PLYZ]

that's an old school graffiti artists trick right there.

[@nicsminibikes]

I'm just curious but all the air that gets to the engine area and into the inside of the tail section with no where to go. Would that add a lot of drag as far as aerodynamics goes?

[@donmcconnell6650]

if you move the fairing out about 4 inches,and extend the windshield,it will clear his helmet. better arrow,less fatigue.

[@JeffKopis]

Charlie is so supportive and positive 😊

[@Nunya_Bidnez]

Gnarly Charley is the best thing ever to happen to our boys. You said it perfectly brother.

[@yourenemystraightwhitemale]

He's argumentative lately and talks over ike and second guesses him regularly. He's annoying and I hope he gets his own channel soon and leaves these guys

[@Nunya_Bidnez]

@@yourenemystraightwhitemale Point taken. TY for saying so.

[@majorwedgie8166]

I agree 👍

[@deatheragefarms]

I dig y'all's supportive rapport "leave a post to tell Ike he did good" Ya did good Ike.

[@justconcentratee]

If you can block off the air getting into that rear scoop, would probably help. It might cause turbulence inside and make the rear unstable at speeds. Just something to think about. Safety is most important with this task of speed

[@miniron6999]

Throw a steering stabilizer on it as well to help maintain a straight line trust me it helps. Good choice on tires lol Gear it up slowly like work your way to 100 then slowly work your way up . Don’t just jump the gun on top speed figure it out first . Trial and error will occur and gearing is the most important thing Btw yall keep adding weight which yall need to be reducing weight

[@donwaun1178]

That's gonna be a sweet build when she's done.... I'm 59 now a days, but I'd love to get my hands on that CR 500 in the background... I'm still in perfect shape for my age, I'd still ride it like I stoled it.... lol. I still rip my sons 450 cry around... keep up the great work guys.... 😊

[@finrennard3402]

Building the full fairing wouldnt be much extra frontal area because your legs are already creating that. It would definitely improve aerodynamics.

[@walterlarson5709]

Ike you did the best ok paint job ever lol. Hay that bike almost looks policeish. Just needs a cars and cameras badge.

[@danacoyle1826]

You guys should think about a rear fender designed at least to cover the front 1/2 of the rear tire and your tail needs to have some vents to let the any air that gets sucked up into it out or close up the bottom of the tail

[@MrDeticus]

"It's All In The Name Of Speed" is a great idea for a sticker. I want one.!

[@BrodyFranklin-j7f]

You could do the sides of the bike like the Indian speed bike

[@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542]

I agree that a small black stripe on the aluminum, and a red stripe on the front fender will make it look much better.

[@williamkey1987]

It's time to vote one off the island (Charles?😂

[@TheJukebot]

You should look at how they make curved speaker boxes with fiberglass. You can stretch a fleece blanket over it all and brush some resin on it, then add the rest of the fiberglass. It makes the curves come out nice and smooth.

[@kevinsellsit5584]

The wheels and specifically the tires are ideal and MUCH safer than the stretch-o-matic knobby tires. I like the body work, and front fender looks great for a one-off piece. For the sake of educating the masses, I'll share some of the fiberglass knowledge I learned when the company I worked for decided it would be "first to market" 4 inch and 6 inch cowl induction hoods for the then new 84 Corvette with the massive tilt front end. As Ike said, "you make a Mold". But that is not the first step. First you make a Plug. A plug is an EXACT duplicate of what you want the outside of the part you are making to look like. Plugs are usually made of wood, clay, body filler or other easy to carve materials. If the part you want to make already exists, like the Corvette hood in our case, all you have to do is find some idiot in 1983 who will loan you his brand new 84 Corvette and let you Bondo on a wooden 6 inch cowl on it then destroy his paint job by laying fiberglass all over his new car. Apparently, the demand for a cowl hood was great enough that we found just such a sucker. So the plug must be perfect, painted and finished to a mirror shine. Any flaw will exist in every part you make. When perfect, a thin layer of mold release is applied and a thick layer of gelcoat. When dry, a massive amount of fiberglass, wood, metal whatever it takes to make a very rigid mold that will last for hundreds of parts. Usually, the mold will have to be split to release the part so strong flanges must be applied so it can be bolted back together for each use. We scrapped the first two tries and had dudes Corvette for 4 months. Anyway, once you have a good mold...lots of thin, light, beautiful parts can be made at one or two a day from a single mold. That is the beauty of fiberglass, if you want to make a go-kart body you might as well make 50, 100, whatever. That is why Ike made just one. looks good !

[@jarekmace1536]

Regarding the roughness due to using cardboard, consider using styrene sheet as a base. It is smoother, more flexible, and can be softened with a heat gun/hair dryer to make curves. It is also available in many thicknesses, from .2mm out to 5mm. Also, the front fender could have been made more covering by using a 2-piece design. Hang the rear half from the rear of the forks and overlap the trailing edge of the front half on the rear. this would allow a fender to go farther to the ground without using the inverted U design Isaac mentioned. Check out some of the cruiser/bagger bikes for aero-style 'glass works.

[@danmorrison7112]

the happy accidents with the paint are perfect boys!!!!!

[@SamIam420]

We all know Ike will fix the paint! As John said, "Purpose built" ! Good job on the fiberglass without a mold!

[@jamestefft314]

Just an idea for next time, you can use spandex fabric to wrap an object an resin it and then start laying in the fiberglass. Ive done it with building speaker boxes many times and it works really good with getting you initial shape.

[@dylanbullock4465]

This is one of my favorite builds since the 670 dragster. Let’s see a land speed go kart next!

[@Buck1954]

The first revision of the fairing is great!

[@csorgb05]

So, when is the King Midget going to get some love? It's time to pimp that ride! Give it the love it deserves and make it into a fun, and reliable driving machine.

[@WyFoster]

I heard rumor that's coming soon

[@christiancooper478]

Do more science lessons ike. Best explanation I have ever heard. Now I know that there are big words that have to do with aerodynamics that I didn't know before.

[@just_voices91]

honestly that boat tail is one of the best diys ive seen so far

[@Ty-bz7zx]

Just me ? Or did you measure the front area @ 42" from the table to the top? (the bike is 4-6" off the table on blocks) Could make a notable difference *shrug* =))) When complete you need to get Charles with a leaf blower & John with some smoke bombs ..... Wind Tunnel testing !!

[@brianmcpeek651]

Minibike looks awesome!! Great job guys!!

[@JohnHill-jm7tm]

Always a great video. This Old Man from Washington NC will be listening for you running at the airport 🤣. Would love to be watching ❤️. Love You Guys 🛵🧔💝💝💝

[@drax333]

Instead of trying to build something to direct the air around your legs you may want to look at some pictures of speed skiers. They wear aerodynamic pants. I'm sure you guys could come up with something similar. Just something to think about.

[@Rocketguy6969]

Proud of you guys for utilizing the safety squints while welding! Safety first! Ha!

[@roboman2444]

If you can somehow angle the handlebars either back or down, that will help keep your elbows from sticking out as much. Also, little fairings to help guide the air around the handlebars will help too.

[@mrsockyman]

This is such a cool build! What do you think of the idea of finding someone to 3d scan the bike and run it through airshaper to get some aero tweaking suggestions?

[@josephgermany7446]

Love the project guys, just wanna ask : How is the front fender supposed to make it more aerodynamic when it's the same shape as the wheel, but bigger? Needs to come to more of a point in the front, otherwise you've only increased the surface area of what is pushing against the air. You have better areo on the rear end than the front. Copy the rear and put that on the front and make it wide enough so the front wheel can turn inside without hitting it (attached to the frame, not to the wheel or steering, but encloses the entire steering section)

[@CMPLT_PLYZ]

The wheel is spinning causing the wind to go through it and get mixed with the wind being twisted and churned by the spokes, the scoop allows the oncoming wind to roll over the top instead of through it which will be more aerodynamic and give it better stability. when it comes to adding more to the front its important to keep in mind that you can easily over do it and counteract your work by adding too much weight or surface area. while yes that new surface my be smoother it will never completely mitigate the original air resistance of that area applied on the bike. so eventually u get to a point where more is worst.

[@josephgermany7446]

@@CMPLT_PLYZ all that explanation and not realizing I know a bit about aerodynamics seeing as how I was an aviation structural mechanic. I've had more education on aerodynamics than most people commenting here. While the fender may mitigate some of the drag created by the wheel, it creates just as much by having more surface area than the wheel, not to mention it only covers HALF the wheel, so it pretty much cancels itself out.

[@Almightyrastus]

That mudguard paint job looks fine. I think the term is "a blind man on a galloping horse wouldn't notice" This bike looks so good with the stretch to the frame, almost sort of needed for general riding, better proportions, at least to my eyes.

[@OKbigpop]

watching for as long as i can remember! love yall from north ohio !!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jamintroyer1007]

I'm from central oh lol

[@bodine2537]

Looking good, think I’d paint the fairing up front black as well to match the rest of it but looks good none the less 🤙🏼

[@robertttGT]

bro everyones work is top tier i love watching this team and the paint jobs are great!!!!!!!!

[@bigtsperspective5831]

That’s a pretty solid color 😎🥸

[@mrjoepete]

You could add some wind deflectors on the side of the front fender in front of the forks to deflect the air around the front of the forks and keep some of the wind off your legs too.

[@vancemacd6315]

I love seeing custom Fiberglass builds. There always unique.

[@fairlaneboy66]

Keep those beautiful panels you originally were gonna use, for when ya'll take it to that drag strip. So it still looks really cool

[@samebert4440]

Ike nailed this build! That fender and tail section look amazing!!! Great job!!!

[@imasmartidiot3330]

Most bike tires have a dot on them and if you line the dot up with the velve stim they will be really close to balance out

[@glencalhoun9544]

That's a super cool paint job!!! It looks like a skull with horns and an American flag behind it all ghosted in black. Lol. Cool mess up!!! I'd Keep It!!! Just clear over it so it doesn't change!!!

[@TheUncleRuckus]

I think you should've leaned that hoop on the seat back about 3 to 4 inches off center. It would've gave you more room on the seat allowing you to scoot back further thus making the seat more comfortable. 👍👍

[@pollyg562]

rattle cans can be an art, ive seen amazing paint jobs with rattle cans and the worst paint jobs too, proving its all in the prep

[@crowtubecrozier2857]

Charcoal mask, filters are the only safe way to go when dealing with styrene! A dust mask will only hold in fumes. Not good, killer build though. I'm excited to see it run.

[@mcgrady8230]

As always guys, awesome work! Really excited to see it on the track!

[@nelsonbrum8496]

PMT makes top notch racing tires, they are the go-to racing slicks for Goped racers.

[@superpoof]

Looks great! May need rubber grommets between the added parts and the frame. I sense vibrations will deal you fits.

[@SportbikerNZ]

That'd be about as superfluous as it gets for this sort of build.

[@superpoof]

Thank you mr. Oppenhiemer.@@SportbikerNZ

[@justinmason9264]

I wouldn't scuff it up. I think it looks pretty cool. I love watching your house contact

[@williamvertrees2010]

The tail will help stabilize the bike at high speeds even though the wheelbase is so short. The other thing would be to rake the fork out.

[@kevmanprometheus4954]

Really good job, Ike!! 🎉🎉

[@jerrydespaltro4023]

The tail section would be light 29:50 er and easier to fabricate if it were made From aluminum sheet . You may have to vent your tail section. You may end up with some air getting trapped in it.

[@dbeau716]

Mixing a colored gelcoat into the resin helps the glass lay down better and you can pigment to whatever color you want. Also, using a fiberglass roller works better for getting air voids out of the glass. Rattle can paint is too thin to use on glass also.

[@gregbreeze-hatchett6115]

Looks awesome lads,just an idea,what about a little vertical defector fin from front mudguard onto fork just for the wind to hit and help around legs👍🙂

[@lensrc7460]

Cover it with racing livery. It really looks pretty good for that style of composite building. I made a few one off model airplanes with the lost foam method.

[@crazysham6396]

In Italy we have the “Polini Italian Cup” look that for wheels and 50cc power motors.. good job guys…

[@dankrafted]

you'lll want some moon discs on the wheels as well to reduce the turbulance from the rotating spokes. by the way, the fiberglass, cardboard and steel combo can also be called composite to make it sound more fancy

[@JarrodBush-Creator]

Y'all need a bead roller to bring the sheet metal work to the next level 👍 excited to see y'all's journey to go fast on small!

[@jordantobins681]

Ike - you did a really good job!!! (there you go, Charles!)

[@taylor_drift]

The fast tail has a kind of deformed skull with flag stripes when you first put it on after painting, which is kind of a sick vibe.

[@mixerman1]

I think you need to have some louvers on that tail to prevent any lift from air under the tail. This is gonna be nuts

[@RaceReady2A]

You guys inspired me to start building bikes and at this point I have a garage full of parts for 2 bike builds. I’m going to have to start my own channel just to document the massive amount of not just engine work but the whole bike is being transformed so I’m pretty excited to see what it becomes. My daughters bike is gonna be mean too but less insane then mine

[@fortyfukinseven]

I know its far too late to make adjustments, but you should research aerodynamics, in some cases, it can be better to have rough finish on the rear sections. I would think shark scale on the tail might actually help in this circumstance. Just a thought, im not a professional. It would be awesome if you can get it in a wind tunnel

[@countrychase3873]

Next time use foam as your base for the fiberglass. It's easy to shape and the fiberglass does well on it.

[@shanewright6958]

The paint is looking good 👍👍

[@jasonhovey815]

Looks good guys. If you wanna add red to the front paint the white shroud red

[@sheridantibbetts3920]

Just fyi, when working with fiberglass when you want it completely smooth, have to sand and reaply reson 2-3 sometimes 4 times, and use marine primer

[@lokistream1878]

Dam boys that look's sweet the to shade black is really nice the red stripe on the front fender would really set it off