WHAT IF VEGETA went SUPER SAIYAN 2 against PERFECT CELL? | Dragon Ball Z

What would happed if Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta fought Super Perfect Cell?
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Today we'll be discussing what would've happened had Vegeta turned Super Saiyan 2 against Cell. While this video will still have narrative involved in it, we will also focusing on how powerful Vegeta would be if he had turned Super Saiyan 2 at this point of the series.
After watching the video feel free to leave any and all counter points in the comments below - I love a good discussion.
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[@KC-uk1kb]

Cell: *kills trunks Vegeta ss2: *still not strong enough Cell: *slaps bulma Vegeta: “MY BULMA!!!!” *completely obliterates cell in one shot

[@sauce1820]

Kyle Castro vegeta *turns ssj3 like he should’ve in super*: “Perfect” Cell: “that’s my lin- Shhiiiiiiiiit!”

[@kokutensai]

Kyle Castro Vegeta: *Turns Ultra instinct* HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS IS TRUE PERFECTION Cell: Son of Bi- ShiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII- *Vegeta murders Cell*

[@jotarokujo_starplatinum5492]

@@sauce1820 the strain on his body would be to massive It’s not an evolution from anger either so it wouldn’t happen like that

[@rudrakshkashyap6705]

Cell kills Trunks. Vegeta : Trunks is a failure... I don't wanna go SSJ2. Beerus slaps Bulma. Vegeta : MY BULMAAAAAAAAAA! *Goes SSj2 - SSJ3 Absobed!*

[@JohnZ-]

Vegeta’s rage is stronger than SSJ3 so I’d say Goku is right in the battle of gods, someone just slap bulma and Vegeta would be even stronger than SSJ3

[@ddup_sup7520]

You know this makes sense 16 dying to Gohan is less emotional than Vegeta's son dying after what he thought was peace

[@Danosauruscrecks]

I always thought that was so strange. Trunks is dying and everyone is in shock and Gohan is just like yeah whatever, goes ssj2

[@stigglediggle]

damian darten Because Trunks could be wished back with the Dragon Balls. 16 isn’t technically a living being and can’t be wished back. He’s 100% artificial.

[@ddup_sup7520]

@@stigglediggle I guess yeah but isn't ssj2 powered by the adrenaline rush and anger so even if he had oh yeah I can still revive him he still should be way more ticked off than Gohan his literall son died

[@royalblodline9847]

@@ddup_sup7520 SS2 is granted the EXACT same way as ssj1 its just that if you dont have ssj1 you cant get ssj2

[@headshotfaze9371]

@@stigglediggle no because he techinacly WAS a human but just got reworked a little bit

[@TheAustralianMapper5378]

Vegeta and Gohan both team up Cell: *Chuckles* I’m in danger.

[@christianadams295]

*Famous Last Words*

[@TienChad]

He would have a massive inflated ego, so big that it'd be on par with his receding hairline

[@kavieshautar6453]

Ahahahahaha😂😂😂

[@n03lama1k2]

Ouch man.

[@TnD_BigJax]

Booooo

[@lightingthief4482]

@@TnD_BigJax fuck off

[@dannybenhur6123]

It seems receding...but it doesn't...

[@deltalord6969]

I think if trunks dies then vegeta WOULD get a rage boost

[@rhinoball00]

YOU SHOT MY TRUNKS

[@shalnarkbreight4383]

I don't see why not, he got one when Beerus slapped Bulma in Battle of Gods. He would get one against super perfect Cell, but not as big as Gohan's.

[@diophantine6677]

The idea is that Gohan's rage boosts mean so much more because he puts mental limits on himself which rage makes him ignore, whereas Vegeta doesn't have this problem

[@Shadow-fb2ec]

Zheeph gohans ssj1 is way superior to Vegeta

[@Icaruzzz-_-]

@@AiresLA gohans ssj1 is stronger than vegetas but I do agree he should get a rage boost

[@speedy4574]

What astounds me is that Vegeta never thought to perfect Super Saiyan the same way Goku did during the Cell arc. Vegeta went into the Time Chamber first and you would think that someone like Vegeta, who is very smart would think to master SSJ like Goku would when he enters the chamber. I know that Toriyama likely didn't even think of this beforehand since that's how he do but as far as in-universe explanations go, I don't think we ever really got one. I am absolutely sure that Vegeta mastered Super Saiyan extremely quickly following the Cell arc though. Other than all that, my thoughts have always been that it's kinda a big plot hole for Vegeta to not go SSJ2 when Trunks was killed.

[@lordhades598]

Its because toriyama hates vegeta compaired to goku and gohan

[@DrPepperFan]

goku achieved super saiyan first so he had about 2 YEARS worth of experience with it, so it was much easier for him to master super saiyan as opposed to vegeta who barely interacted with his partner in the time chamber, his son trunks.

[@speedy4574]

@@DrPepperFan That argument doesn't make since. Gohan became a super saiyan in the time chamber and was able to master it to the point where he was stronger than Goku. Vegeta isn't some child playing with matches either, he had a pretty good handle on the power in the scenes that we see him using it in. He should have come up with the same idea Goku had as Vegeta is in many ways smarter than Goku.

[@LastGREATEST0]

Michael Gohan had a trainer when he unlocked ssj Vegeta didnt

[@lordnarasimha2500]

Michael you know what would be awesome? Vegeta takes the day while Piccolo is in the chamber and gathers the dragon balls, wishes for his tail. Goes golden ozaru vs cell. It’s a 10x boost

[@BasedKuuTooGourmet]

Day 2 of asking “What if Hercule was One Punch Man of DBZ” (What if he one shot cell in particular)

[@DrPepperFan]

Saying Day 2 or 3 or whatever number will actually worsen your chances go get this what if to come true lol

[@BasedKuuTooGourmet]

DrPepperFan Let me believe

[@skirkeyturkey4525]

I'm positive goku would want to fight hercule

[@sidecharacter3193]

- B A S E K U U - what do you mean what if

[@BasedKuuTooGourmet]

@@sidecharacter3193 excuse me "what if Hercule used 0.01 percent of his power on cell"

[@currito1013]

Carthu... Vegeta did have a rage boost. Wasn't he *ENRAGED* because Trunks died? So technically....He got a rage boost? ,🤔🤔🤔

[@imjustsaiyan6806]

Currito TV wasn’t a boost it was just rage

[@SRVaris]

@@imjustsaiyan6806 why would he not get a rage boost

[@Imimurwalls283]

@I’m just Saiyan then no ssj no ssj2 Cause they were awakened by rage so even if they did transform It would mean nothing

[@mr.dantastic5073]

Basically, Gohan’ rage boosts aren’t him gaining extra power from Nowhere, it’s him removing the subconscious limits on his already impressive power. For someone very reserved like Gohan, the rage boost is much greater than the supposed rage boost Vegeta could have received seeing Trunks die, as at the time Vegeta still reveled in arrogance and aggression. By the time of Battle of Gods, Vegeta has mellowed out quite a bit, his heart has noticeably softened, and he’s become a good person, also, we just finished the fight with Majin Buu, with Vegeta admitting that Goku was better than him, but not being upset over it. At that point, Vegeta still continued to train hard, so he may have been unconsciously lowering his power, so Bulma being hurt triggered that potential he’d been holding himself from. Also, remember, Vegeta’s transformation made him Bulky, as bulky as his super Vegeta state, I think Vegeta’s rage filled transformation was something beyond the standard supersaiyan 2, maybe mixing traits of previous super Saiyan grades.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

@Sonic you dont need ssjgod rritual to get god pwoer dude goku said in rnf vegeta get ssjgod with out with out the ned fi the reitual so stop

[@BlackScreenProductions125]

I mean...are we forgetting what Vegeta got when Beerus slapped Bulma? That's right. A RAGE BOOST. YOU, CARTHU, HAVE MADE A MISTAKE!

[@apexartist9618]

TheBrandit125 big difference in the vegetas is that dbs vegeta actually had love for bulma and cared about her more then his pride. this vegeta wouldn’t get the same boost for a son he’s only known for 1-2 years while he still only cared about himself. In the anime he got a little mad but it wasn’t a berserk mad. just “i got disrespected” mad

[@BlackScreenProductions125]

@@apexartist9618 then why did Cell feel the need to brace himself when Vegeta lunged at him?

[@apexartist9618]

TheBrandit125 because if a 11 year old punched a girl out your stomach not even 10 mins ago i wouldn’t be surprised if the prince of saiyans would get a crazy boost too. but clearly cell was mistaken by far because vegeta was at best mad but not berserk mad.

[@apexartist9618]

TheBrandit125 this vegeta( kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5aamHg8SDb9E ) is no where near as mad as this vegeta ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZDJe2l6bsiLmpY )

[@jadonrahman]

@@apexartist9618 it doesn’t matter if he has less of a connection or not, it’s still a clear mistake. Saying he didn’t get a rage boost when this dude screamed and straight up charged cell is ridiculous. He would definitely have a rage boost on top of the ssj2, but it wouldn’t be a huge one like against beerus.

[@lionsin5633]

What if Kami never got rid of the evil inside of him and decides to be Earth's Gaurdian another way like actually defending the planet with his own power and skill?

[@erikoabuyog7936]

If Kami had like a lot of knowledge on saiyans he would have known what saiyan Ki is like and sensed it and probably killed Goku when his Pod landed on earth to prevent him from destroying the earth knowing that in the night of a full moon He would go into a great ape

[@lionsin5633]

@@erikoabuyog7936 I doubt Kami knows about Saiyans seeing as how he didn't even know he was Namekian until the Saiyan Saga. Kami will probably not care about Goku at the beginning due to his low power level, however, he'll probably keep an eye on him from time to time in order to make sure he won't be a threat to Earth. Eventually Kami would stop Goku when he transforms into a Great Ape for the first time which will result in Grandpa Gohan not dying. Afterwards Kami contemplates on killing Goku but decides against it due to Gohan's pleads and sensing that Goku has a pure heart. He gets rid of Goku's tail and either leaves to go on protecting the world or takes Goku under his wing so he could be his successor.

[@fwcrosski]

How wouldn’t vegeta get a rage boost?

[@mxwalii]

he saw trunks die, idk I just started the video

[@xwarriorone]

Because no matter what everyone in the what ifs has got to make Gohan top tier and basically Vegeta gets screwed even in his own what ifs.

[@danielcooke3800]

At Buu arc probably not...connection with those people aren't strong enough....but a few years later he has a deeper connection with them...and wants to protect them like an actual father or husband in Bulmas case.

[@fwcrosski]

Daniel Cooke hmm ok I can see that

[@MsMRkv]

+Crosski Because it's not dragon ball super

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Cell: *Exists* SS2 Gohan and Vegeta: *We're about to end this man's whole career*

[@theallenbros0446]

Hey howk’d ya get the dragon ball beside your name

[@Sword_Man_YT]

The Allen Bros 04 I became a Member of Carthu's Dojo!! I pay 5 dollars a month for special perks on this channel!! 👍

[@jasminedragon3315]

Sword Man you mean big bug monsters career

[@Sword_Man_YT]

The Proto Exactly

[@heydude4191]

more like ssj2 in general

[@LILT910]

You just said "Never Again" that gives vegeta a motivation to continue training into Z especially with the fact he has a little trunks. Those emotions he felt for his son wouldn't disappear with him into the timeline they should instead be transferred and carried on. That alone would cause massive changes.. Vegeta would train harder, vegeta would train trunks harder[potentially changing Goten and Trunks relationship] and hell, Vegeta being able to swallow his pride he could possibly include the other Z fighters in his ambition, which would increase everyone's power. But the most important change would mean that vegeta is increasingly emotional and attached to his loved ones. That in and of itself would potentially change alot of buu saga, especially in regards to the fact that he has 7 years to sit and reflect or expand on those feeling.

[@arshadhussainmomin9652]

U deserve more likes and replies you made a really big comment and also a lot of thought

[@danielcabrera8671]

Damm this shi really got me thinkin

[@austinhain1775]

I mean just add in the lead he gets over Goku here, and they prevent Majin Vegeta, because hes already surpassed Goku, alongside characterization possibly doing even more going forward!

[@danielgonzalez-vm5lj]

@@austinhain1775 either that or they are matched since vegeta needed the majin boost to match goku Either way vegeta woudnt need babidi to match goku no majin vegeta then Eventually wether Gohan beats or loses to dabura doesn't matter because either goku or vegeta could instantly destroy dabura leaving babidi without enough energy or defenses being easily killed before buu revives Beerus might not force them to find out about ssj god because he is not as angry resulting in everyone dying to freezer ....unless out of curiosity they ask shenron about it Resulting in golden freezer vs ssj god gogeta / vegetto since vegeta is not as held back by his ego

[@master_matthew]

There are no words that change canon or alter timelines like “Never Again.”

[@pixoljef7830]

4:14 when actual story ends and what if begins

[@megascrafty1624]

“Sorry, that one was meant for tien”

[@RedVelvetUnderground333]

Future ghost gohan: why didn’t you dooodge

[@joshualawson8363]

Gohan: get out of my head piccolo

[@tbalpha2295]

vegeta would also get a rage boost,just not as significant as gohans,as rage boosts are a Saiyan trait. This is shown most prominently in the goku black arc when the Zamasu duo told goku about what happened to his family and goku got enraged and briefly kicked the shit out of zamasu and black.

[@apexartist9618]

TBalpha22 that’s not a saiyan trait that’s a anyone trait. Anger just allows hidden strength to come out and saiyans have a lot of hidden strength

[@praveenloganathan7495]

Vegeta's rage boost gives him a 5* multiplier while SSJ3 is only a 4* multiplier. This was shown when he was enraged against Beerus. Also in his enraged form he has caramel gold hair, which is the same shade as SSJ3.

[@tbalpha2295]

@@praveenloganathan7495 there is no way to get a concrete multiplier for that, all you have stated is headcanon. For all we know it was 4.000001 times

[@stoveoven]

@@praveenloganathan7495 bro no he was just angry and extra shiny. all of this is headcanon. we don’t know the multiplier

[@ProjektTaku]

@@stoveoven nah, he was defo stronger than ssj3 goku.

[@flowerboi4794]

In this story i think that during the 7 years of peace Vegeta and Gohan would train together and achieve SSJ3 TOGETHER

[@Slender_Man_186]

Not possible, the only reason Goku was able to achieve SSJ3 was due to the unlimited Ki and lack of limits on his body provided by being dead in Otherworld. As for Gotenks, he’s a gag character, and a fusion, him having SSJ3 was never meant to be serious.

[@flowerboi4794]

Slender Man 186 I feel like it could be possible with the right and vigorous training these saiyans go through no?

[@Slender_Man_186]

Flower Boi with how much Vegeta trains, he would’ve unlocked it during the 7 year time skip, if not when he got the Majin power up, or during the 5 years between the Buu arc and BoG.

[@edualv320]

It wouldn't be possible, ssj3 was achieved by Goku because he didn't have a body (at least a physical one)

[@edualv320]

@@flowerboi4794 nope, Vegeta trained for the 7 years and he wasn't near achieving ssj3. You need a body that doesn't have limits to go ssj3

[@mao7]

Wouldn't Vegeta technically have a rage boost from seeing Trunks die?

[@Tropical_j_]

You’re trying to tell me Vegeta wouldn’t get a “thats my BULMA!!!” style rage and power boost from Trunks getting destroyed?? Either way love the vid

[@dreadheadsuave2786]

make a series with "What if whis trained piccolo"

[@DrPepperFan]

then he would call himself kami more cuz hes a mofo god

[@dannybenhur6123]

@@DrPepperFan SUPER KAMI PICCOLO....

[@TonyStark-vq9uu]

@Cell the one's you killed or the little kid

[@Sword_Man_YT]

This was absolutely amazing Carthu!! Keep it up!! 👍

[@tahakhan6494]

I started following you when you had less than 50 subs and man I am glad that it was a great decision. Good to see you have come a long way brother.

[@Sword_Man_YT]

I've been looking forward to this one!!

[@bishopcross8704]

I feel vegeta would have a bit of a rage boost its shown in super that pure blooded saiyans get powered up from being enraged tho vegeta was 2 grades of ssj behind with him hoppin up to ssj2 maybe if he is rage boosted its barely notiable beyond his new form unlike gohan

[@MrJokerSenpai]

Thats only in super, super made it so that rage boosts are a saiyan trait. If you watch dbz, the only character that gets rage boosts is gohan, its his defining character trait. And no, super saiyan transformations are not rage boosts, just transformations unlocked in times of great need, usually when emotional.

[@bishopcross8704]

@@MrJokerSenpai im said it was shown in super ik it wasnt a thing for full bloods till then but its in continuity and this is a what if so it would be possible never said the form was a rage boost just that it could explain how he form hopped from grade 2 to ssj2

[@thegoldenking1999]

Actually this could possibly change the buu arc and here is why: vegeta unlocked ssj2 with gohan and accepted his help, his character in that moment had a slight change slight enough that he wouldn't give up fighting like in the original, he would be significantly stronger, and master ssj2, trunks would feel happy his own father loved him to push through his pride and fight to end perfect cell. as for the 7 years, because goku is dead all vegeta would really have as a rival is gohan. while gohan would study i feel vegeta will push him a bit to get some gravity training in so he doesn't fall so behind vegeta. what does this mean for babadi? NO MAJIN VEGETA. he has no reason to feel any animosity to goku due to not giving up on himself and learning how important family is. even if somehow majin buu is revived i'd say vegeta could possibly have the same high grade version of super saiyan 2 like trunks did in the super arc. now if you wanted to take the buu route somehow maybe with the energy they stole from gohan being larger than in cannon, vegito will also be far stronger in cannon or gokhan would appear. you could even give vegeta ssj god seeing how he is slightly softer than his cannon counterpart.

[@noobboss0]

It could also mean super saiyan three vegeta

[@nightblade3709]

Thank you!!!

[@SonicKirbo]

*canon

[@GrubKiller436]

As much as I like this I don't see Vegeta being selfless enough to train with Gohan. He mainly trained in isolation in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber even though his own son was in there with him.

[@julianlanning8855]

Perhaps vegehan instead of gokhan, or vegito.

[@Olliestar1234]

Incredible video so far. Works well.

[@BHVAMP]

Now this is really epic keep up the good work

[@drackestalentorgen166]

Yeah, doesnt add up, specially with all we seen of Gohan and Vegeta over the years, as we know Vegeta can get a rage boost, because of the Battle of gods, and he was temporaly stronger than SS3 Goku, with a rage boost being the only one that could touch Beerus before the ritual. Also by your own logic,there is no proof he wouldn't get the full boosts, and even less that Gohan could handle the battle at SS1

[@beironas7548]

In super vegeta loved bulma. In the cell saga vegeta didn't progress in his relationship with bulma(you can see that when bulma goes to the lookout to give the z fighters the sayain armor, vegeta was rude to bulma telling her to get lost)

[@SRVaris]

@@beironas7548 but as shown he still loved trunks

[@kameronshope6637]

Super saiyan grade 4 isnt a real form, if anything its just mastery of super saiyan 1. There were no actual buffs provided by mastering it except for getting rid of the ki drain provided by ssj1. The reason goku and gohan became stronger than vegeta and trunks is simply because their base forms were more powerful than theirs which can be attributed to the fact that training in ssj1 gives more of a significant gain compared to just training in their base forms. Another factor for why they became stronger was simply because goku and gohan had more potential than vegeta and trunks too.

[@thomashoughton5270]

Did you even watch the show? Lmfao dude you're so wrong its laughable

[@SRVaris]

@@thomashoughton5270 i don't see why it would give them a bigger boost its called mastered super saiyan and the way the achieved it was to just stay in super saiyan

[@blitz4168]

Nice video I really enjoyed it :)

[@Za.mar1]

Thank you so much ive bee suggesting this to everyone person that makes what ifs and your the only one that has done it(to my knowledge)

[@happytyo3200]

Your power breakdowns as to what levels are more powerful than others and what they compared too are so clean.

[@neilarias9240]

I really wanted this to happen

[@neilarias9240]

In canon

[@suminaoshinjo6545]

@@neilarias9240 it would make sense in the canon but i think toriyama wanted gohan to get the spotlight for this moment instead of having vegeta transform to ssj 2 And if it did happen vegeta would most likely not be possesed by babidi since he had that moment to kill cell with gohan instead of letting his rival's son do all the things he could not do himself to avenge trunks

[@Michaelssj2]

Love these what if's. Making my way through them now

[@petxhx5693]

Another interesting concept carthu

[@Icaruzzz-_-]

I'd say he'd still have some sort of rage boost just not one as strong as gohans

[@fang8726]

It's fantastic to be early!

[@CarthusDojo]

✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻

[@arshadhussainmomin9652]

I'm reading this 1 year after

[@AgentePico47]

@@arshadhussainmomin9652 i reading THIS 1 year later

[@destridax]

​@@AgentePico47Reading this later

[@jslide-wj8dr]

great vids dude nice. sub

[@MiSTeRJMaN]

You definitely need to create a part 2 because this change in power and behavior will have effects on Vegeta (training, relationships, Majin Vegeta, etc.).

[@dannylopez5976]

Full Power Super Sayian is the same multiplier as regular Super sayian. It just doesn't consume as much Ki, doesn't inhibit the fighter with rage and has better control. Also in the Manga Vegata and Trunks don't use their Super Vegeta or Super Trunks forms during the Cell games. It implies they actually did get the Full power Super sayian form.

[@thechadandthevirgin5823]

I think you mean mastered super saiyan. Full power super saiyan is far stronger.

[@Keegstar]

FPSSJ is super brolys thing, you mean mastered super sayian, I don't think vegeta or trunks got mastered because they weren't in mastered super sayian like goku and Gohan, I feel like if they did get it they would be in it.

[@balazsungi9202]

tl:dr Gohan would be even more forgotten

[@Foyay_Red]

Love this channel

[@thctriggz9458]

Finally more what ifs

[@MegasXRL]

I think on the canon situation we got a truly rage boost for vegeta, but without SSJ2 he couldn’t damage cell. If he got the SSJ2 plus his rage boost i think he could beat perfect cell, but not super perfect cell as you mentioned.

[@raion4765]

I came here before the notifications pops up

[@kavieshautar6453]

Same😂

[@nathanchao-lam8849]

Nice video

[@winteru4159]

The first time i got noticed by a KZbinr :-: I've been waiting for this. THX a lot

[@huzy.k11]

Did you write that fan made manga?

[@winteru4159]

@@huzy.k11 what do you mean?

[@huzy.k11]

@@winteru4159 how did you get noticed

[@winteru4159]

@@huzy.k11 i asked him to do this what if, thats how..

[@huzy.k11]

@@winteru4159 oh

[@crimsonking4151]

Carthu you are so off here I'm crying laughing 😂😂😂

[@carmelosmith8782]

Like where on earth did this rage boost in ssj2 happen ??? I'm so lost

[@crimsonking4151]

@@carmelosmith8782 If Gohan didn't have rage boost ssj2 Gohan would be equal to cell not stronger

[@carmelosmith8782]

@@crimsonking4151 that's not true at all Gohan when he achieved ssj2 in no point was there a rage boost the reason gohan outputed more power was because he was scared of the earth being destroyed,reread that manga chapter it's as clear as day

[@crimsonking4151]

@@carmelosmith8782 well the writing in the cell gams was clunky and messy but he definitely got rage boost after 16 was destroyed. Happy people don't say things like I'm not gonna kill you yet I want to make you suffer for a while.

[@aminemeskini9192]

i really want to see something like that vegeta: FINALE Gohan: KAMEHAME vegeta&gohan: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA the SSJ2 duo obliterate cell

[@jamesallen179]

Cool video

[@zelz3011]

Damn Carthu Pieced me up in the Intro. Ooof no Part 2 I wondered if Vegeta having SSJ2 Earlier rather than unlocking it maybe could make him stronger but I guess it might matter as much.

[@shawarden]

The subtle change in Vegeta's personality means he is slightly more likely to work with others. The massive power boost means he knows he is on par with/way ahead of Goku. He'd probably even cajole Gohan into sparing with him from time to time during the time-skip.The Majin Buu arc is now filler. Gohan could be stronger, but even if that didn't happen, Vegeta has neither the need nor interest in getting help to beat Goku so Babidi is kinda screwed!

[@klaasvanstrien989]

I think Gohan was still significantly stronger than s-perfect Cell though, don't forget he killed him off with only 1 hand and severely damaged on top of that, yes the other fighters helped him, but he only went all out when Goku said "Now"!

[@ssjgotenks2009]

dont forget he only kiled cell off vegeta made cell dorp has fgrad if that neve rhappend clel wodo put mroe pwoer out he never give it has all

[@Salsu5635]

@@ssjgotenks2009 Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and died 💀

[@skellethon1060]

My what if wish has been granted, thank you

[@anthonyharwood2642]

Everytime trunks dies all I hear is team4star vegeta screaming MY BABY BOY

[@Sunny_Day8007]

What if Hercule was a saiyan?

[@diophantine6677]

I thought that a) SSJ2 required mastery of SSJ, essentially the ability to use FPSSJ/SSJ grade 4, and that b) they were stronger in FPSSJ than in SSJ only because they had more control over energy consumption and usage, so it wasn't a power boost but an efficiency boost.

[@stormbringer2840]

"so it wasn't a power boost but an efficiency boost" It was both actually , because by staying altimes in SSJ their body also is trained to handle it , so their base form got stronger . In other term it was a power and an efficiency boost .

[@ssjgotenks2009]

noop cufial wnat ssj then ssj2 1 epsidoe later profing you need to master ssj and turnks never masrter ssj and wnat sjs2 on dbarua cabba neve rmasters ssj and want ssj2

[@Telarius]

Lookup SSJs real multiplier on yt. All the grades are much stronger.

[@DTE..]

love your intro

[@ThunderNecros]

Seeing this animated or drawn well would be epic.

[@Cinnamon_Rolls_In_Pantry]

What if Hercule trained like Saitama

[@onekingdom1955]

So more character development?

[@zioreturnsgaming]

One of my favourite what if ideas that has rarely been done before.

[@ymcbigt499]

Great video are you making a part?

[@mxwalii]

What if Goku survived the cell games? He had like 5 seconds once he got to king kai's planet. So, if they all were to gather around each other, he teleports everyone there safely.

[@trisxart2393]

I'm pretty sure Gohan didn't get a rage boost in ssj2, except for the beam struggle. He didn't look like he wanted to go on a rampage or anything, he just looked calm and none of that was stated. The rage boost in his ssj form pushed him to ssj2. Gohan was already stronger than super perfect cell, even Goku said use your full power

[@godzillakingofthekaiju180]

Great video bro. Can you work on What If Goku Achieved Ultra Instinct Against Zamasu Instead Of Vegito

[@mikelkelly9693]

How did I not watch this sooner

[@timothyfrasier8218]

I actually do think this deserves a second part to it because Vegeta actually might be able to achieve Super Saiyan three and probably train the weakness out of it and then show the rest of the Z Fighters his power and Gohan might actually train with Vegeta in order to unlock Super Saiyan three as well

[@Jay-ni3rx]

Gohan's ss 1 was stronger than vegeta's in cell saga remeber that (this is before i watched the video)

[@shantanusengupta1749]

This just popped up after 4 hours.. pretty sure I had the bell icon

[@johngeo5816]

So has carthu forgotten about "Thats my bulma"? Where vegeta surpasses ssj3 goku in ssj2?

[@vatarants]

To tap Vegeta into rage boost is easy. Just press Goku button.

[@joshualawson8363]

In the distance: kakaroooooto

[@acolyte06312]

Cell: *murders Trunks* Vegeta: *MY BABY BOOOOOOOI!!!!*

[@supersonicjr3117]

I like this and please do this what if vegeta did cara earlier

[@toxicpuddle4038]

Hey have you ever gave athought about what would happen if sombody did the god ritual more than once? I think it would be interesting!

[@Moogman0422]

What was that great music playing in the background? Sounds really good

[@jideoluwa6535]

MegMuffinn vegeta dbfz

[@Moogman0422]

@@jideoluwa6535 thank you

[@animexarmyindia8382]

Please continue this. Vegeta needs some light

[@yamahakid450f]

*Frieza sliced like sushi and vaporized* *DBZA* King cold: "Oh well, you win some you lose some." Trunks: "....Children?"

[@Alex-yy5wo]

Me: wants to watch a KZbin video. Nationwide insurance: I’m about to end this man’s whole video experience.

[@someoneghvjvj1808]

What the hell is the background music? It’s fucking amazing!

[@user-mp2te7fm8q]

“MY BABY BOY” (SSJ2 transformation happens) “Vegeta no” “VE-GE-TA YEEEES” If that happened i would be ecstatic

[@guzsky]

I would like to hear more about this hypothetical timeline

[@e-heromanny4348]

I would love to see a video about what if Goku had gone SS3 against Majin Vegeta. A lot of people probably think it’s a clear answer but personally I think it would have favored Vegeta. Vegeta is resilient enough that despite the power gap he could survive the beating from SS3 Goku long enough for his stamina to run dry. On top of that because Goku isn’t taking that much damage rather he’s just exhausting himself the energy shouldn’t go to Major Buu thus giving Gohan and Supreme Kai more time to defeat Dabura and Babidi

[@dwas6177]

“MY BABYYY BOYYYYY” - tfs vegeta

[@KonigKaiser4]

So the grief loss and rage isn't providing a boost? Yet Vegetas Rage allowed him in ssj to catch beer beerus off guard.

[@reitheinsolvable7380]

I feel like u should do a buu ark version of this

[@daviddyer3543]

Here's an idea for a what if... "What it Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 in high school?" I'd like to see how Chi-Chi responds to what happens next.

[@jstpd_elite7125]

Alternate title: what if we got what went want

[@TheChamp820]

“Trunks. You came to save your father and You were only a child..” “And I let you die..” “I FEEL MY PRIDE..ANGER..SLIPPING!” “AND I..WONT..WATCH IT ANYMOREEE!”

[@sentientbakedziti]

It makes sense more from an emotional storytelling perspective than just a technical one. Vegeta's emotional arc for the whole android saga is about accepting his responsibility of becoming a father. He's nothing but a baby daddy at the start with baby trunks. To begrudgingly training with future trunks in the time chamber. His fatherly instinct to protect/avenge Trunks after Cell kills him, is a form of self-actualizing that would be powerful enough to trigger SSJ2. It mirrors his emotional arc of accepting the truth of his own abilities when he gets SSJ1 that his power doesn't come from his royal line or status but he must humble himself and admit that he has room to grow. The emotional journeys of each of the Saiyans is what make the early transformations interesting and that lack of growth is what makes the later transformations less compelling.

[@99sonicrocks]

If you ever did make a part 2, it could be that Vegeta knows now he cant win on his own and has to work with others in fights. Maybe during the time skip Vegeta keeps Gohan in shape to help him get stronger with him since he knows himself Gohan has more potential.

[@jonolivier9126]

I never truly understood why this didn't actually happen, 16 realistically meant virtually nothing to Gohan, yeah they shared a similar desire to protect nature, but that's really it. Vegeta watched his son get F-ING MURDERED, by a cheap shot no less, after what they thought was the end of Cell AND Goku (which Vegeta probably should have already been pissed that Goku died before he could surpass him in battle). All the conditions should have been right for Vegeta to go 2 at that point, but he just, didn't. Ever since he got it from Babidi I'd been confused as to why he only just now got it GIVEN TO HIM instead of when his own son got killed by a cheap shot from a villain that his greatest rival had to sacrifice himself to prevent HIS sons screw up from truly dooming everyone.

[@Leostar-Regalius]

because tori was focusing on trying to make gohan the main character(before fan popularity and publishers made him keep goku as main) but still, vegeta should've gotten a rage boosted 2, i mean he attacked cell out of anger despite knowing he was stronger

[@wahatda8944]

10:14 Vegeta:(Never again) **7 years later** Vegeta:"shit"

[@KaloyanKasabov]

I kind of disagree your claim that Vegeta will get no rage boost . Seeing how he lost his mind after Beerus hit Bulma and becoming at least more than for times stronger than his base Super Saiyan 2 and Surpassing Goku's super Saiyan 3. And even if part of the reason is that Vegeta had SSJ2 at that point in time the reason for the rage is similar if not even greater having his son killed in front of his own eyes with him being unable to do anything , which in my opinion should give him a tremendous boost on top of SSJ2 . And isn't SSJ2 and evolved version of Super Saiyan . While Super Saiyan grade 2-4 are refinements of the original 2-increase in power 3-greater increase than 2 but slows you down 4-as strong if not stronger than 3 without the speed decrease and almost non-existent stamina drain . And Super Saiyan 2 is above all of them and doesn't matter if he has unlocked grade 4

[@ecci0261]

I wouldn’t mind this because it would’ve allowed Vegeta to make up for practically letting Cell turn perfect.

[@dragonplayer1634]

I think you should make a part 2. Not only does Vegeta have SS2 earlier, but he would probably have an altered personality, being closer with Gohan. (Not in the way you're probably thinking of.)

[@cgrandall625]

While I agree that Vegeta would still not be enough to finish Super Perfect Cell it's for a couple different reasons, most are due to translation errors. For one, Grade 4 SSJ or Full Power SSJ doesn't actually increase the user's multiplier. It's still 50x base, however at this point in the series Toriyama had sought a different way to approach his character's strengths as he felt it was at it's pinnacle and intended ending after the Cell saga. That was the whole point of the Infinite Energy Androids/Cyborgs 17 and 18 and what made them such a threat in the series. Grade 4 was more of a mastery of form as not to use excess energy to transform and/or maintain the transformation thus prolonging the user's stamina and allowing them to use greater attacks without the drawback of drain for maintaining the SSJ transformation. This is all in the Daizenshuu btw. SSJ2 is also called Grade 5 in the Daizenshuu and has a multiplier on the base of the user of 100x, the SSJ transformations don't stack as Toriyama saw them as further mutations of the same transformation. So Vegeta's lack of Grade 4 wouldn't inhibit his multiplier in Grade 5. The reason I believe Vegeta wouldn't be able to finish Cell properly isn't really a strength issue is that at this point Vegeta hadn't had the same mastery of form and I believe he would of ended up in the same predicament as SSJ3 Goku versus Kid Buu, the strain of the unfamiliar form would create drain issues for him long before he could deliver the killing blow.

[@3_0_0_0]

A duo of ssj2 vegeta alongside ssj2 teen gohan vs super perfect Cell is the dream

[@thefreeman7278]

"MY BABY BOY!!!!!!"