Cartoon CREATORS (Kinda) Do NOTHING

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@cheesydawg371 4 ай бұрын

Something I LOVED about the Gravity Falls blu-ray was that at every chance he got Alex Hirsch would point out and prop up people that would draw specific scenes, wrote specific jokes, etc. and while Alex was a very hands-on and involved creator those commentaries opened my eyes to the teams beyond the individual.

@Goleon 4 ай бұрын

He also replied to posts online revealing who came up with whatever the post was talking about.

@StudioInkblot 4 ай бұрын

Greg Weisman is the same way

@icystorm9 4 ай бұрын

Now they just need to press more of that Blu Ray. So expensive on Ebay....

@nyahnyahson523 4 ай бұрын

@@icystorm9 They put the commentary tracks up on some podcast platforms

@bbuny10 4 ай бұрын

Such a good show! My fiancé put me on after getting me to watch Steven Universe which I also loved. I had loved Regular Show and Adventure Time is still my favorite show I’ve ever seen (I’m 32). Now those two shows are up there as well

@BluffsCastle 4 ай бұрын

Quote from Walt Disney: "You know, I was stumped one day when a little boy asked, 'Do you draw Mickey Mouse?' And I had to admit I do not draw anymore. 'Well then, you think up all the jokes and ideas?' 'No,' I said, 'I don't do that.' Finally, he looked at me and said, 'Mr. Disney, just what do you do?' 'Well,' I said, 'sometimes I think of myself as a little bee. I go from one area of the studio to another and gather pollen, and sort of stimulate everyone. I guess that's the job I do.'"

@SnowpawShaw 4 ай бұрын

I just wish he was more honest about it. Then again, that would expose him as a fraud.......

@irregulargamer1352 4 ай бұрын

@@SnowpawShaw He wasn't a fraud necessarily. I just don't think people back then would have really got it nor would give his company much credibility if their big takeaway was that he was some sort of freeloader.

@VEE0034 4 ай бұрын

@@SnowpawShawbro came up with more ideas than you'll ever see come to fruition

@MatthewPrower 4 ай бұрын

he spent the rest of his life developing a dream city that’d prolly end up in disaster if it was actually executed oh, and obsessing over trains

@Taydar 4 ай бұрын

@@SnowpawShawhe literally changed the world. Love Walt or burn in hell.

@SnapperChannel 4 ай бұрын

Goes to show how animation is a collaborative medium. No one does it alone. When we give credit to just the creator, we lose sight of all the talented writers, animators and other crew members. That doesn’t mean the creators don’t deserve any credit but they shouldn’t be the end all be all of any animated show.

@mastermoye3915 4 ай бұрын

*_SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!_*

@ashleybanks-wm4cg 4 ай бұрын

Its 2024 Writing and Drawing masterpieces arent hard at all look at the creator of One piece or the creator of JoJo

@dressten346 4 ай бұрын

@@ashleybanks-wm4cg Bro said Animation not Comic

@ashleybanks-wm4cg 4 ай бұрын

@@dressten346 the apps we have nowadays that can be done by one man and I'm not talking AI I'm talking like Anime Studio literally so powerful you could create an Anime show on your own

@bendu8282 4 ай бұрын

This is what I’ve been saying. Most of these iconic characters whether there was an individual sole vision or collective one were created collaboratively. Not just animation but all entertainment are made collaboratively and while I believe creators deserve the most credit those who helped them make what was iconic also deserve it. This is the final nail in the coffin that neither Walt Disney nor Ub Iwerks were the only co creators of Mickey Mouse, they were apart of a team that made this character: Original Question: Who's the creator of Mickey mouse? It was teamwork. Walt Disney got the idea for Mickey on his train trip home from a meeting on the other side of the country. He decided to name him Mortimer. Mrs. Disney said that was a horrible name. Walt then changed the name to Mickey. He apparently made some sketches that were not as cute as the final early Mickey. He asked Ub Iwerks to make a variety of sketches. They decided to put Mickey in large shoes compared to his ankle size to evoke a young kid trying on his father’s shoes. People who had input include Hugh Harman, Johnny Cannon, Les Clark, Wilfred Jackson, and Dick Lundy. The head animator on the early Mickeys was Ub Iwerks, and Walt gave him screen credit: Walt and others came up with many story elements. Walt’s voice (disguised as falsetto-rodentia) became Mickey’s. The word “creator” is a problem. I’d call it a team effort, as were most things at most movie studios. Walt Disney thought a mouse character would be good, and may have made sketches of him on his long train ride home after the Oswald the rabbit debacle. He named him Mortimer, a very Walt-like name, but Walt’s wife, Lilly, pronounced it “a horrible name,” so he was renamed “Mickey.” Walt’s wife may or may not have suggested the name. Rumor is that Walt’s Mickey looked a bit more mischievous than the version that hit the screen. Back home, Walt and Ub Iwerks, Walt’s best animator, discussed Mickey. They put him in oversize shoes to evoke a young boy dressing up in his father’s shoes. Ub produced a design for Mickey that would be easy to draw from any angle. The animation in Steamboat Willie was mostly done by Ub, but several others participated, including, at least, Les Clark, and Wilfred Jackson. Walt, as usual (until later), directed the film, wrote the story helped think up the “gags,” and decided to synchronize it to a lively soundtrack, supervised the difficult sound recording (during the approximately first year of movie sound), and was one of those who tried to do the voice of the parrot who squawks, “Man overboard!” A few people gave it try, because the emphatic attack caused distortion in the primitive recording equipment. Walt, Ub, and possibly Les Clark, and Wilfred Jackson decided that Mickey should be “cute,” allowing the mischievousness to come through in his actions. About 40 years later, in an article on the “cuteness ratio,” Scientific American noted that Mickey’s design incorporated that ratio, sharing it with infants, baby chicks, and the babies of many other species. The trickster part of Mickey’s personality came through, very subtly, a few times in the first two films, but Mickey soon became very, very nice. In later films, Walt did Mickey’s falsetto voice. Lilly Disney said that her favorite character was Mickey, “Because there’s so much of Walt in him.” As I remember, the screen credit for the first Mickey released, Steamboat Willie, read: A Walt Disney Comic By Ub Iwerks www.quora.com/Did-Walt-Disney-create-Mickey-Mouse-If-not-who-did#:~:text=Mickey%20Mouse%20was%20mostly%20co,came%20from%20Disney%20and%20Iwerks.

@chrisrockett5897 4 ай бұрын

I really appreciate how Craig Bartlett constantly credits Tuck Tucker for his work on Hey Arnold.

@stellviahohenheim 3 ай бұрын

You can appreciate the original creator of Donald duck though

@danielgudinojuarez6729 3 ай бұрын

We all miss Tuck so much, can't believe he's gone too soon

@chrisrockett5897 3 ай бұрын

@@danielgudinojuarez6729 Fr.

@chrisrockett5897 3 ай бұрын

@@stellviahohenheim Yeah.

@spritesensation 3 ай бұрын

Rip

@toon4thought 4 ай бұрын

The realest of animation fans know that there was a point in time where Leon Schlesinger - more-or-less the equivalent of Walt for Warners' cartoons - was considered by the general public as the creator of Bugs Bunny. Neither Tex Avery, Bob Clampett, nor even Chuck Jones were known names for a long while despite all they did to uplift the catalog there. So insane how many unsung heroes there really are in the animation world, even as far back as the start of the medium itself. But that's why we fight, and I'm always happy to see the word be brought out.

@theothertonydutch 4 ай бұрын

"Stan Lee walks in making a funny quip".

@jeffsmith3747 3 ай бұрын

Do you think these people even want to be known?

@wakiloon 3 ай бұрын

Leon was much better than Edward Selzer at least lmao. People actually respected Leon even if he was a mainly just a businessman!

@Rynewulf 3 ай бұрын

Bosses have always loved to coast on and profit from their workers work. Its in the name

@CheeseMiser 3 ай бұрын

@jeffsmith3747 yes. That's why freleng put his name on his company DePatie Freleng. Chuck Jones did too. Tex Avery was just wanting to step away from cartoons

@JustStop 4 ай бұрын

I still remember the time a big reviewer made a passionate plea for Seth McFarland to stop writing because he’s incapable of being funny and used modern family guy as their example for why, so thank you for spreading the knowledge. This community desperately needs it

@toon4thought 4 ай бұрын

I hate that I know the exact one you're referring to.

@nmr7203 4 ай бұрын

MrEnter?

@Something_Maybe 4 ай бұрын

And the funniest part of that is the show entered the era that guy hates after Seth left the writers room

@ChameleonJailhouse 4 ай бұрын

Is it DogsEatingDogs6? Cause my autism senses feel limes it's that "user"

@Something_Maybe 4 ай бұрын

@@ChameleonJailhouseIt was Mr. Enter, but I wouldn’t be surprised if DED6 said that since he just parrots everything from other reviewers

@JurassicRaptor 4 ай бұрын

In a related quote for the Video Game Dev world, published in an IGN article: "There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person," says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex.

@guywithaplan8556 3 ай бұрын

Exactly, I remember that form the hbomberguy vid lol, the irony is crazy

@hashaskinner 3 ай бұрын

Hideo Kojima gets all the credit as well

@diablo.the.cheater 3 ай бұрын

Well, there is one game where that is kind of warranted, Stardew Valley. Altrough now he has more of a team, the initial release was done all by a single guy from the programming to the graphics to the music to the story and dialog. And as far as I am aware he is still the main hand in the updates.

@PaknersPlace 3 ай бұрын

SpongeBob fans act like Hillenberg was the only factor in making the classic seasons what they were, when there were more factors to it then just him.

@SwirlyCurlyy 4 ай бұрын

The stuff you’re talking about in this vid also 100% applies to filmmaking and movies in general. Directors basically go around and tell people what to do, and half the time the Assistant Director does that for them. Screenwriters, cinematographers, actors, costume/makeup artists, and editors are who truly make the movie what comes out in the box office

@oilking-bo3gt 4 ай бұрын

Technical tihs applies to many Things If you think about it our food Out Clothing Our Technology and moast of the time These things are Made by PPL who dont even get 1 peny A day

@itsjdfilm 4 ай бұрын

Absolutely dude, I've worked with a director who literally ended their credits with their name and not the 15 other crew members involved; I was their DP.

@its_uh_bella 4 ай бұрын

It’s just shows how much social clout is given to managers in general. A director isn’t necessarily a manager in the same way like a service or office job has management, but producers often get a lot of credit for movies they just funded,as well. It’s the workers, the people paid the least, that hold the most weight.

@CinnamonGrrlErin1 4 ай бұрын

That's why I love people like Martin Scorsese and David Lynch, who talk up and praise their collaborators.

@onza1317 4 ай бұрын

studying film i second this film school opened my eyes that directing isn't what its cracked up I prefer the other departments

@chopper8209 4 ай бұрын

In a nutshell, Animation is a collaborative effort.

@stellviahohenheim 3 ай бұрын

In a nutshell Mickey isn't the only one look up what he did to the creator of Donald duck

@excellentestevan4488 4 ай бұрын

Makes me very glad that Mike Judge never left Beavis and Butt-Head, mainly because he was the driving of the show (i can say that because the show didn't even have writers at all) even with the reboots (both 2011 and 2022) prove it. Same goes for Trey Parker and Matt Stone too.

@Goleon 4 ай бұрын

Yeah those last two no one can say don’t do anything. They help animate, they help write, they voice a good deal of the male characters. We lose either one of them in any way that show is doomed.

@somecallmesean_ 4 ай бұрын

@@Goleonmike too like he’s most of the main cast in b&bh

@jpc2470 3 ай бұрын

@@Goleoniirc Trey does a lot more of the actual writing, while Matt does more of the business stuff (along with the characters they voice). So losing Trey would arguably have a bigger impact on the actual show, but both are really important to the running of it.

@anthonyrowland9072 3 ай бұрын

Matt and Trey absolutely the roasted of the brains of the youth for 25 years but they did stay true to their ironic gen-x nihilism...

@jsmith3946 3 ай бұрын

No the it was a small group I think it was only 4 or 5 of them but you see them in old behind the seen video from the 90 and Matt even talks about how he and the writing staff rented out a hotel room to create Beavis and Butt-Head are dead hell if you look up the episode list you can see they where not all written by mike and it was those people who wrote the kick ass Virtual Stupidity

@BugsyFoga 4 ай бұрын

Really feeling that sometimes the real cartoon creators aren’t always the ones showboating about it

@93003ayo 4 ай бұрын

Art vs Marketing babey

@whynotbrosay 4 ай бұрын

Unless you're John K, but nobody likes to talk about him.😅

@KyleRDent 4 ай бұрын

Shipoopi, shipoopi, shipoopi, the cred that's hard to get!

@ashleybanks-wm4cg 4 ай бұрын

I read an article a few months ago that one of the main creators and artists on GI Joe and Transformers currently got cancer and he and is eife cant afford treatments I read that entire article multiple times because i couldn't understand how that man isn't rich like a King how is he not swimming in dough he doesjt even have eBay money

@theradionicrevival8068 4 ай бұрын

The real ones are often too busy making cartoons tbh 💀

@Byrdstar6423-un3me 4 ай бұрын

Surprised you had the restraint to not mention Butch Hartman

@ToonrificTariq 4 ай бұрын

I don’t think about him that often lol.

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

Butch was very hands on when he was running his shows and gave credit. II recall he gave credit to Stephen Silver for helping to design the Danny Phantom characters. I guess he could have went near the end.

@morganorwhatever 4 ай бұрын

⁠@@icecreamhero2375 someone who worked with Butch (dont remember who it was) said that he would like to do everything himself if it were possible

@bendu8282 4 ай бұрын

@@ToonrificTariq Yeah you can get on Butch Hartman for many things but there was never a controversy in terms of credit or anything. He was mainly a self working machine , but he did get a lot of help.

@ToonrificTariq 4 ай бұрын

@@bendu8282 There actually was! In Abra-Catastrophe, there’s that part where they zoom in on an animator’s pencil to show Timmy and Crocker fighting. That character was designed after Butch. However, a few years ago, it was revealed that originally the board artist drew themselves into the scene and Butch changed it to himself. Also, this same artist shares a “directed by” credit with Butch on the episode Action Packed but it was also revealed that said artist did most of the directing.

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

A sequel video about the more hands on creators would be cool.

@CosmicSponge2004 4 ай бұрын

To be a bit pedantic about Mickey, Walt wasn't the FIRST to voice him. Mickey's first speaking role in 1929's "The Karnival Kid" was done by someone on animation staff according to composer "Carl Stalling) This was continued Mickey's singing voice in Mickey's Follies & Minnie's Yoo-Hoo, with Stalling playing Mickey in Wild Waves (all 1929) while Walt did the speaking (his start being in Mickey's choo choo, which released AFTER Karnival Kid and only two lines) Then he did it Also 700 DRAWINGS A DAY IN *TWO WEEKS!?* Dang

@parsak.sadjadi3763 3 ай бұрын

Carl Stalling only voiced Mickey in "Wild Waves" (according to himself). He said that different animators would give the voice a shot early on before Walt took the role.

@CosmicSponge2004 3 ай бұрын

@parsak.sadjadi3763 OH. That's actually interesting (I had to go digging just to find it but I have vague memories of someone mentioning it years ago but it slipped by me after everywhere else just listed Carl) I guess that explains why despite the similarity, all his 1929 voices sound a little different

@dylanmcartoonell1536 4 ай бұрын

Danny Antonucci had a hand in writing and directing every EEnE episode Doc Hammer and Christopher McCulloch also wrote every episode of The Venture Bros Not saying they deserve ALL the credit, but I admire when creators have direct involvement like that.

@xxdiamond_godxx5012 3 ай бұрын

Danny Antonucci is probably my favorite cartoon creator because he's so hands on with the Ed boys. A lot of the characters are based on actual people he knew during his younger years.

@Brain_With_Glasses 2 ай бұрын

There was actually a single episode of Ed, Edd n Eddy that wasn't directed by Danny, I'm talking about Season 5's "Smile for the Ed" which was directed by Scott "Diggs" Underwood. That's right, the voice of Gum from Sausage Party directed and EEnE episode.

@daegan_ftw 4 ай бұрын

Creators and show runners are like conductors in the orchestra. A baton may not make a lot of sound, but it can certainly move and direct the people who do and that is its own job too.

@mastermoye3915 4 ай бұрын

Neat analogy! 👌🏽

@eminentbishop1325 4 ай бұрын

I completely agree with that analogy. The director plays an important role, can even be the face of the project, my problem only comes when that individual fails to attribute the credit to the other creatives involved. It'd be like if the conductor took credit for the solo violin performance or acted as if they wrote the piece themselves

@vaiyt 3 ай бұрын

But conductors are not composers

@daegan_ftw 3 ай бұрын

@@vaiyt Directors aren't usually writers either.

@rainspectre3153 3 ай бұрын

Fun fact - It's widely believed "Flaming Moe's" from Season 3 of Simpsons is actually based directly on Sam Simon believing that Groening stole credit for the show from him.

@sodathejunker 3 ай бұрын

The Boondocks point is so damning too. Sure he was on the concept and writing team, and of course created the original comics. But there’s a reason that show exploded the careers for both screenwriters and animators on the team. They did immense heavy lifting while McGruder was basically working his way out the door. It’s cool to know Aaron McGruder, but if you like the Boondocks for its style of animation… you should be looking at Seung Eun Kim and LeSean Thomas. If you like it for the writing style, look for work from Rodney Barnes and Yamara Taylor. You’ll find the consistency in their works pretty fast.

@nominal654 4 ай бұрын

Walt Disney: After losing the rights to Oswald, I quickly sketched up a mouse character I've been thinking of. That character would become Mickey Mouse." Tariq: Well i'm not saying you're a liar but...... I don't know how to finish that sentence."

@RodrigoGarcia-ze5em 4 ай бұрын

Although a problem in the video is that it's kinda unfair towards Walt. Even though Iwerks was the sole animator, Walt was the director and as such he not only supervised, but was the one who dictated Iwerks how he wanted the shorts to be. There's also the fact that he was extremely important to the production and development of films like Snow White, Fantasia and Sleeping Beauty. Besides, animators like Floyd Norman, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnson, Marc Davis and Ward Kimball all consider Walt to be their drill sargeant and that without his creative guide the movies wouldn't have succeeded.

@nominal654 3 ай бұрын

@@RodrigoGarcia-ze5em Fair point

@KhayJayArt 4 ай бұрын

I was just wondering tge other day if Walt actually ever animated anything. There's tons of footage of other Disney animators drawing and animating characters but not him, and I always thought that was weird.

@chrisrockett5897 4 ай бұрын

Same tbh.

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

Nope, but he still did a lot. I remember reading that when making Snow White the animators didn't know how to draw realistic humans so he made them all take figure drawing classes.

@sonicfanboy3375 4 ай бұрын

Walt Disney, the man, did animate some stuff for the Alice Comedy Cartoons and Oswald the Rabbit, but that's pre-Mickey Mouse

@its_uh_bella 4 ай бұрын

A lot of early Disney comics were Walt I think

@RodrigoGarcia-ze5em 4 ай бұрын

Walt was indeed important to the creative process. Even though Iwerks was the sole animator, Walt was the director and as such he not only supervised, but was the one who dictated Iwerks how he wanted the shorts to be. There's also the fact that he was extremely important to the production and development of films like Snow White, Fantasia and Sleeping Beauty. Besides, animators like Floyd Norman, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnson, Marc Davis and Ward Kimball all consider Walt to be their drill sargeant and that without his creative guide the movies wouldn't have succeeded.

@hipstereagle6050 4 ай бұрын

Let’s also not forget about comic book artists like Bob Kane and Stan Lee (btw Stan was more involved and willing to share credit more than Bob was) who came up with the idea of a character but they had a artist (Bill Finger, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditco) who did the heavy work on making those characters

@AceLM92 4 ай бұрын

The only thing Bob Kane came up with was the name Batman. He had nothing without Bill Finger and all the ghost artists like Sheldon Moldoff and Dick Sprang. A-hole stole all the credit and glory. May Bob Kane rot in hell.

@Itsmainduece1 4 ай бұрын

Right. Niggas glaze Stan Lee and I love bro to death absolute legend but he ain't write that much Spiderman. Some of his most iconic stories are written by others and same thing with X Men, Fantastic Four, etc... Jack def gets underappreciated too bro was the man behind the desk for the most part

@crashcooper2330 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, except bob kane He really didn’t do shit He didn't write or draw and opted to have ghost artists, and the one issue he did draw was him tracing ober someone elses artwork

@vernonbrown5168 4 ай бұрын

And Jack Kirby is well respected and though not as famous as stan Lee definitely got alot of just due credit

@lhfirex 4 ай бұрын

I don't think Stan Lee is as much of a credit stealer as Bob Kane. I mean for one thing, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko both got a ton of credit at least as far back as the 90s. cause back when my old ass got into Marvel comics, it was not "Stan Lee made this" but "Stan Lee and Steve Ditko made Spider-Man" or "Stan Lee and Jack Kirby made the Fantastic Four" for example. Bob Kane tried to discredit anyone else involved with Batman and claim it solely as his own original work.

@lightningblack 4 ай бұрын

Fire video. I knew that the creators don't do everything but this video made me realize how there are parts of shows that I love that exist because of people who aren't the creator.

@ToonrificTariq 4 ай бұрын

Thank you! 🙏🏾

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

Walt did alot for animation but he is a credit hog. He also stole credit from Carl Barks for his Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge comics.

@bendu8282 4 ай бұрын

This is the final nail in the coffin that neither Walt Disney nor Ub Iwerks were the only co creators of Mickey Mouse, they were apart of a team that made this character: Original Question: Who's the creator of Mickey mouse? It was teamwork. Walt Disney got the idea for Mickey on his train trip home from a meeting on the other side of the country. He decided to name him Mortimer. Mrs. Disney said that was a horrible name. Walt then changed the name to Mickey. He apparently made some sketches that were not as cute as the final early Mickey. He asked Ub Iwerks to make a variety of sketches. They decided to put Mickey in large shoes compared to his ankle size to evoke a young kid trying on his father’s shoes. People who had input include Hugh Harman, Johnny Cannon, Les Clark, Wilfred Jackson, and Dick Lundy. The head animator on the early Mickeys was Ub Iwerks, and Walt gave him screen credit: Walt and others came up with many story elements. Walt’s voice (disguised as falsetto-rodentia) became Mickey’s. The word “creator” is a problem. I’d call it a team effort, as were most things at most movie studios. Walt Disney thought a mouse character would be good, and may have made sketches of him on his long train ride home after the Oswald the rabbit debacle. He named him Mortimer, a very Walt-like name, but Walt’s wife, Lilly, pronounced it “a horrible name,” so he was renamed “Mickey.” Walt’s wife may or may not have suggested the name. Rumor is that Walt’s Mickey looked a bit more mischievous than the version that hit the screen. Back home, Walt and Ub Iwerks, Walt’s best animator, discussed Mickey. They put him in oversize shoes to evoke a young boy dressing up in his father’s shoes. Ub produced a design for Mickey that would be easy to draw from any angle. The animation in Steamboat Willie was mostly done by Ub, but several others participated, including, at least, Les Clark, and Wilfred Jackson. Walt, as usual (until later), directed the film, wrote the story helped think up the “gags,” and decided to synchronize it to a lively soundtrack, supervised the difficult sound recording (during the approximately first year of movie sound), and was one of those who tried to do the voice of the parrot who squawks, “Man overboard!” A few people gave it try, because the emphatic attack caused distortion in the primitive recording equipment. Walt, Ub, and possibly Les Clark, and Wilfred Jackson decided that Mickey should be “cute,” allowing the mischievousness to come through in his actions. About 40 years later, in an article on the “cuteness ratio,” Scientific American noted that Mickey’s design incorporated that ratio, sharing it with infants, baby chicks, and the babies of many other species. The trickster part of Mickey’s personality came through, very subtly, a few times in the first two films, but Mickey soon became very, very nice. In later films, Walt did Mickey’s falsetto voice. Lilly Disney said that her favorite character was Mickey, “Because there’s so much of Walt in him.” As I remember, the screen credit for the first Mickey released, Steamboat Willie, read: A Walt Disney Comic By Ub Iwerks www.quora.com/Did-Walt-Disney-create-Mickey-Mouse-If-not-who-did#:~:text=Mickey%20Mouse%20was%20mostly%20co,came%20from%20Disney%20and%20Iwerks.

@Glamador 3 ай бұрын

My hardcover collection of Scrooge comics does say "Walt Disney's Uncle $crooge McDuck" but the only creator credit on that cover is "Barks".

@icecreamhero2375 3 ай бұрын

@@Glamador Carl Barks is a genius.

@bendu8282 4 ай бұрын

@zeroG131 4 ай бұрын

A lot of people are ignoring your advice at the end, that this is nothing to be disappointed about and it's bothering me. Why is this bothering some of you so much? You didn't know and now you know. And it's not a bad thing, not really. It's a very Western, particularly USAmerican idea of "the sole creator", the auteur, and this tendency to downplay the help and assistance in the act of creating. I'm a fan of comics (superhero or otherwise, you name it) and this especially pops up, notably in publishers that do rely on a "writer and artist freelancer" sort of paradigm of creation. If you know who Bob Kane and Bill Finger are, you probably know all about this. But like Tariq said, if you asked folks like Groening and MacFarlane about their contributions to the series they WOULD likely admit to the specifics, tho Walt probably wouldn't. And that's where the problems lie. I don't think it's mandatory for creators to stop and list EVERY SINGLE staff member during an interview, tho it's good practice to acknowledge "I didn't do this alone", but tbh most of their time directors, creators, etc aren't outright lying about their assistance. They're asked about the art, the process, as they remember working on it and I think most of them do just talk about it from their perspective cause that's what people do. It's just what happens.

@lukebytes5366 3 ай бұрын

I think people here still want to attribute success to a specific person, but just don't want that person to be the "bad" guy. Like how it was _only_ Stephen silver and _only_ steve marmel who did the art and direction for Danny phantom respectively, as if there weren't scripters and artists in areas neither had much involvement in. Not to mention how people still act like butch himself didn't actually contribute to much, just because his more hands-on works aren't that great.

@Santoryu90 4 ай бұрын

I’m always annoyed by the comments going off on Seth McFarlane over a joke or something they didn’t like in Family Guy when he’s really not that much involved in the show anymore besides the characters he voices.

@ABlueyFan 3 ай бұрын

He mentioned in the Art Of Family Guy book that he hasn’t written an episode since season 9

@patricklauer4452 3 ай бұрын

Same

@AuraOfANobody 4 ай бұрын

I think a lot about how a lot of production in animation is outsourced, typically to overseas companies, and rarely if ever are any of the staff there actually Named in the credits - So often there's only a credit to the overseas studio(s) as a whole. That's gotta suck, right? You work your ass off on some show or movie and you can't even point to your name in the credits and say "Look, see, I worked on this." Imagine you lose your job in that environment, your studio goes out of business or something, and then you gotta try to find a new one without your prospective employers being able to verify you specifically worked on a project or not, or what you specifically did on it, because it's just attributed to the studio as a whole. You're not in the credits, they don't know if you were on a given project, that could have been a different chunk of the staff and you're just saying you worked on it because you were at the same studio working on something else that was critically and commercially panned or something. Unless you're keeping meticulous track and copies of the stuff you did to verify your involvement (if you even Can), you just kinda gotta hope they believe you when you say, "Yeah, I did cleanup on these episodes of this show" or whatever. That's gotta fuck some people over through no fault of their own, yknow?

@dev-ig9di 4 ай бұрын

i’ve wondered about this aswell

@wuvumgywgy 4 ай бұрын

4:33 ik my dad didn't invent the saying, but I've only ever heard him say "starvin like marvin," so hearing this while drawing, i was like, "STOP THE PRESS"

@starvinmarvin1200 3 ай бұрын

You not gonna belive this...

@wuvumgywgy 3 ай бұрын

@@starvinmarvin1200 I am dumbfounded yet not surprised

@takeshitatnall5496 4 ай бұрын

I really appreciate this video. I always hate when the entire success or failure of a cartoon was placed entirely on its creator especially shows like spongebob and family guy. Its such an inherently collaborative industry that doing so is reductive

@xxdiamond_godxx5012 3 ай бұрын

CN sadly caused this to happen with Rebecca Sugar.

@cetrata1993 4 ай бұрын

I also notice people tend to villianize some people for the perceived decline of the show without giving them credit for the good contributions. For example, mike scully contributed to a lot of the golden era simpson episodes yet is only known by many to have steered the show into decline.

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

Mike Scully's run of the Simpsons is fantastic. I would take that over the current run. Much more consistently funny.

@mrpiccionedivino5598 4 ай бұрын

i mean if you count the golden era as S1-8 he wrote 3 episodes

@cryforhelp7270 4 ай бұрын

Praise the Creator when things go right, blame the writers when things go wrong

@RyanMcKennaGosling 3 ай бұрын

@@icecreamhero2375 Mike Scully also co-created with Amy Poehler on an adult animated cartoon for Fox called "Duncanville" (which ran for 3 seasons).

@tomhanson4008 3 ай бұрын

The main reason The Simpsons declined (Imo) was because a lot of the writers and directors left to work on The Critic, Futurama, and Mission Hill.

@fyrewatermelons 4 ай бұрын

Animation is a team sport. That being said, it's only natural that people are going to blame the poor performance of said team on the team captains and team leaders. That's why Mindy got the treatment she did Tariq. Not just because she was framed as the creator, but because she framed as one of *the* producers of the show. She gets critiqued while Penny from the Big Bang Theory got praised for Harley Quinn. That's the double sided sword of being an executive producer.

@ToonrificTariq 4 ай бұрын

An executive producer is not a team lead, a showrunner is!

@DDarkestKnight 4 ай бұрын

Executive producer is more like the team owner who says hi to the team and goes back to doing whatever they do to make money. People are acting like Mindy wrote the jokes they get mad at, act like she drew Velma while calling an self-insert when the only thing they have in common is being Indian-American (and most people still don't know that), and they claim she "killed the Scooby-Doo franchise." When at best she just promoted it and voice Velma. I've never seen Kaley Cuoco get praised for being executive producer on Harley Quinn, especially when the developers are always out promoting the show. I've seen the arguments on her accent, I've seen the show get accused of antisemitism but I haven't seen her get love for it.

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

@@DDarkestKnight Not always. Executive producer is a title but some are more involved than others. Mindy probably could have gotten more involved if she wanted to but I don't know if that would have made it better.

@inovakovsky 4 ай бұрын

@@ToonrificTariq the first end credited "Executive Producer" has heen the go-to term for showrunner for several years. The person meant showrunner.

@ToonrificTariq 4 ай бұрын

@@inovakovsky If that’s what they meant, they shouldn’t have brought up Mindy, who clearly isn’t one lol.

@timtam1386 4 ай бұрын

Mindy Kahling also admitted to kissing a crew member without consent on the Tonight Show but passed off like "it's just a prank, bro"

@DDarkestKnight 4 ай бұрын

Something that had nothing to do with the overblown hate Velma gets. And was overblown as the sickle cell people suddenly got mad about

@Belisonte-dl4gd 4 ай бұрын

I've noticed people like to weaponize valid reasons of criticism to hide behind their unreasonable weird invalid criticism

@tape-6 4 ай бұрын

like...while recording for the velma show? im confused how is this related

@DDarkestKnight 4 ай бұрын

@@tape-6 it's not

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

This might be a hot take but it's just a kiss and nobody got hurt. Hopefully she respected boundaries later in life.

@apparentlyasun 4 ай бұрын

As a recent art school grad: thank you so much for standing with iatse and emphasizing that not just the showrunners are responsible for cartoons 💖

@mathieuleader8601 4 ай бұрын

I knew that the Simpsons got their iconic yellow colour to make them stand out when flicking through the channels on the TV I never knew there was more to the story you learn something new everyday.

@EnigmaticGentleman 4 ай бұрын

I just find it funny how American cartoons always give the creator top billing, but anime almost never does that even though many of them are based on the work of 1 person.

@jonathanlevin2239 4 ай бұрын

Well many manga authors have a whole team of editors and background artists there so the comparison still stands

@inovakovsky 4 ай бұрын

@@jonathanlevin2239 Do not forget ghost writers.

@joshuagregoire9504 3 ай бұрын

@@jonathanlevin2239 I mean I think it's a little different. Mangas creators basically drew they entire story mostly by themselves. The animators just animate the drawing and manga. Plus mangakas create the story. So I can see the argument for them being paid more. But I'm still glad it's fair for everyone when working on the anime

@jeffsmith3747 3 ай бұрын

Man you just decided to lie uh, it’s the exact same for anime

@mozardthebest 3 ай бұрын

@@jonathanlevin2239Mangaka don’t have a team of editors, they have an editor, that comes from the company that publishes their manga. The assistants of mangaka are generally not credited or well-known by the general public, they are people hired by the mangaka themselves so that they can do redundant tasks and make producing the manga more efficient. Tasks like drawing backgrounds or inking. They are not responsible for the manga, they don’t write the story or are even the primary artist, they are just there to give the mangaka an easier job.

@didymus3348 4 ай бұрын

Walt Disney was most certainly creatively involved in the cartoons early on but over time he had more interest in over things and was less and less involved in the animation.

@GrayD_Fox 4 ай бұрын

Why is this not more talked about.

@Jakeneutron 4 ай бұрын

Thank GOD, Walt Disney slander

@ToonrificTariq 4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@eddiejoewalt7746 4 ай бұрын

@@ToonrificTariq yeah @ToonrificTariq Stop making DUMBED-DOWN VIDEO that nobody care and some that already knew the behind the scenes! PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE JUST RIPPING OFF OTHER PEOPLE WORK/VIDEO ESSAY YOU LORD OF

@RodrigoGarcia-ze5em 4 ай бұрын

@@ToonrificTariq Although a problem in the video is that it's kinda unfair towards Walt. Even though Iwerks was the sole animator, Walt was the director and as such he not only supervised, but was the one who dictated Iwerks how he wanted the shorts to be. There's also the fact that he was extremely important to the production and development of films like Snow White, Fantasia and Sleeping Beauty. Besides, animators like Floyd Norman, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnson, Marc Davis and Ward Kimball all consider Walt to be their drill sargeant and that without his creative guide the movies wouldn't have succeeded.

@ToonrificTariq 4 ай бұрын

@@RodrigoGarcia-ze5em Walt told people he invented Mickey Mouse alone on the train and he lied lol that’s pretty much all I say tbh.

@RodrigoGarcia-ze5em 4 ай бұрын

@@ToonrificTariq the problem is that the way the video presents it, it makes it seem like he did nothing when that's not the case, after all an animator without an animstion director is as bad as an animation director without an animator.

@Pleebus 4 ай бұрын

This video is unironically super validating to me lol, as a Simpsons nut it pisses me off so much when I see Matt Groening getting credit for everything when so much of the show is owed to that collaborative writer’s room and all the artists that went along with it.🙏 I get why cuz he’s one of the biggest faces in interviews and like but regardless that type of stuff when it comes to cartoons has been a major pet peeve of mine for a whiiiiile so major props for talking about that situation on a bigger scale echoing of a lot of what I’ve wanted to say.🙏

@LowellLucasJr. 4 ай бұрын

This gives me a lot of respect to creators who continue to work on their creations or have strong involvement with it after it starts. Such as Charles Schulz with Bill Melendez for the entire run of Charlie Brown and Snoopy when he was alive, to even kazuki Takahashi with Yu-Gi-Oh as he was able to create and design future main characters, monsters, and concepts. He even animated one of the scenes for the last movie he was involved with.❤

@jrr2480 3 ай бұрын

The thing about Walt Disney is, he was the producer and boss of the creative side of the Disney Company, his brother Roy was the accountant. Walt had some creative input into the creation of a lot of the company, and he both cheerlead and promoted the products so that the company could succeed.

@ToonrificTariq 3 ай бұрын

I say this two minutes into the video!

@maxresdefault_ 4 ай бұрын

Kinda wild that Matt Groening's signature is on basically every piece of Simpsons promo art, even those that aren't drawn by him

@jeffsmith3747 3 ай бұрын

Is it really? He’s the creator the most known

@samp.8099 3 ай бұрын

Disney did the same

@davieswatts1 3 ай бұрын

Disney is the most overrated and underrated man, at the same time, of all time. And as a genius or ideologist of a whole new empire, he has the chance to be unjustifiably hated (as well as loved). In the essential book "The art of Walt Disney" by Christopher Finch, the entire history and process of Disney is told, and the capital importance of Disney as a producer is explained, how he was involved in his projects, how he acted as an active part, the main ideas to create his projects began with him, feature films, Disney sound, etc. He was a genius as a businessman, and without Disney it would have been nothing. He delegated the art to good animators, because he was more of an executive than a good artist, and Disney always gave credit to its artistic directors and animators, many of them world-renowned in the world of animation (the 9 old men for example). Even in many interviews he never gave credit to himself as an artist but rather as a producer of his project. The figure of Disney cannot be understood in such a simplistic way as today, which works in a more individualistic way (creator-animator) and on a smaller scale. I recommend that anyone who has a bad criticism against Disney read about him or the production company, and like me, who also thought that Disney was just a man making money, you will be surprised at how important he was and his exciting life.

@TheJjcczz 4 ай бұрын

I never once thought Walt Disney created Mickey Mouse himself because that’s not the type of person he was. Animation like any tv or film media is a collaborative effort I don’t think people are unaware of that even if they only know the creators name

@strawberrylily5867 4 ай бұрын

as someone who is slowly learning more about the animation pipeline and looking more into the people behind my favorite cartoons this is something i definitely need to do a better job of remembering. so many people are behind animated films or shows and they all deserve more love then they get.

@darthcass1210 4 ай бұрын

So there's a manga that's never been officially translated into english called Billy Bat that is about comics/art/historical conspiracies (it's a wild read but well worth it, there's a good fan translation easily found online) and there's a plot point in Billy Bat about a character named "Chuck Culkin" (who looks/acts A LOT LIKE A CERTAIN WALT DISNEY) who is a villain that literally steal the character of Billy Bat from the protagonist Kevin Yamagata and in fact has the real Chuck Culkin hidden away drawing the actual art/comics of Billy Bat. And I think it's the most fascinating fictionalized take on the Ub Iwerks story since its version of Walt is so explicitly a villain. Anyway great video as always, there's so many different artistic mediums that really can't be attributed to just one person (video games is a big one, there are so many writers and programmers and people working on them but the average just knows a game creator's name or the company behind them which is sad I think) and it's nice to see that be discussed for animation

@Bighomie39 4 ай бұрын

Culkin is definitely meant to be Walt Disney, although the most insane part of Billy Bat to me was probably the part where Lee Harvey Oswald became a major character

@Gummiistics 4 ай бұрын

That Icons: Unearthed documentary series is so good!! And yes, it's wild to me that so many people don't get the idea that EVERY animated production is so layered! There's not any ONE person that's responsible for the way a show is or how it's written. It's a team effort! Another great video, Tariq!

@salmoncakesremix 3 ай бұрын

If anything, Walt was an amazing producer. He knew exactly what and who he needed in order to get a project done, and he almost always met the goal. His history as a good boss or manager may be a bit more debatable however. Either way, whether you love him or hate him, his legacy in entertainment is significant.

@areakastudios6704 4 ай бұрын

Walt disney was about presentation. He saw what people were doing and decided if it fit the brand or not. There's a reason so many disney classics have the vibe that they do.

@KevinTRod 3 ай бұрын

This is the Steve Jobs complex: man wasn't responsible for anywhere near the amount of stuff he took credit for, but people still worship him as a genius.

@draphking 4 ай бұрын

People like to paint Walt as some kind of monster but the simple fact is that he was just a very sad man who wanted to ride his trains around. He had become the media face of a corporation that sprung up its success almost over night and he probably had no idea what to do from there.

@RakoonCD 4 ай бұрын

I mean, he definitely wanted to innovative too. He wanted to make a CITY, (now Walt Disney World Resort due to his death from cancer). Unironically the Disney parks are the most Walt has really put himself into a project.

@SpidermanandhisAmazingFriends 4 ай бұрын

I mean, he was literally a Nazi.

@maybe8985 4 ай бұрын

He collabed with nazis.

@maybe8985 4 ай бұрын

He collabed with the bad guys around 38 and 41, let’s not pity him too much.

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

I don't see him as a monster. I see him as a complex man of his time who has done a lot for animation, films and theme parks.

@jameshayes-barber9340 3 ай бұрын

The Great Man idea is harmrul to art and history. The idea that a single heroic visionary genius is responsible for an invenriy, social movement, country or work of art is almost always false .

@DaltonLunday2103 4 ай бұрын

So for the few Sonic fans that are here, Ub Iwerks is the Naoto Ohshima to Walt Disneys Yuji Naka.

@chrisrockett5897 4 ай бұрын

This makes the most sense.

@micjimster4845 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it sucks seeing yuji get all the credit when he was bearly involved post classic era.

@daelen.cclark 4 ай бұрын

Rebecca Sugar is one of those creators that are the driving force, but aren’t the sole person behind your favourite scenes!

@xxdiamond_godxx5012 3 ай бұрын

And she'll tell anyone who'll listen that she couldn't have made Steven Universe a big hit by herself. Rebecca always gives her team props.

@shinji2898 3 ай бұрын

Same should go towards anyone who dislikes the show, bc some people act as if she wrote and draw every single thing they hate lol

@xar3244 3 ай бұрын

Supposedly the Flaming Moe episode of The Simpsons was about this very topic. Matt Groening got most of credit for the show when in reality Sam Simon was the show runner. Simon wrote for Cheers & Taxi, and along with James Brooks, brought the show to life. Simon got little credit and left the show in the early 90s but still received an executive producer credit. He died of cancer in 2015 at the age of 59.

@Arkholt2 3 ай бұрын

I knew about Ub Iwerks from reading an old interview with Floyd Gottfredson, who drew the Mickey Mouse newspaper comic for decades. He knew who the real creator was, and corrected the interviewer on multiple occasions. I imagine everybody who worked at Disney in those early years knew, too, and would say as much. Walt was just the only one anybody listened to, and he never mentioned Iwerks. But the same thing happens with long running TV shows, too. Like everybody "knows" that J.J. Abrams created Lost, but how many episodes did he actually work on? How much of Buffy did Joss Whedon actually work on? We attach these names to these properties, but they have much less of an impact on them than anybody thinks.

@SociallDrinkerr 4 ай бұрын

Glad to see the animation side of creators getting screwed, a lot of what I see as a comic book fan are the stories of Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko getting screwed while Stan Lee took credit his entire life. It’s a wild world and I’m glad there’s a big drive in crediting everyone these days for the work they all did

@ozharms 3 ай бұрын

Alex Hirsch is one of the most hands-on and genuine cartoon creators I know of. He was very involved in the writing and direction of the show, but he is very quick to give credit to his team.

@daivambrosia6647 4 ай бұрын

2:22 - 2:35 might genuinely be one of the funniest bits across all of The Simpsons 😂 Why corn muffins? Why did Abe need the chicken coop painted so badly? Abe's rambling voice and cadence par excellence. The corn muffins taste lousy. The "make me". The fact that they start literally attacking the shit out of each other across the dinner table. 👌Perfection👌

@KatZEdition 3 ай бұрын

I was writing an entire essay on Ub's story and Disney's own short comings and seeing this video honestly did a great job explaining it

@ossiejon-nwakalo8644 3 ай бұрын

Just like how Steve Jobs didn’t make make the IPod/Iphone. He owned Apple but didn’t make the inventions.

@irregulargamer1352 4 ай бұрын

I don't blame Seth for the good times cartoon, I blame him for putting money behind it. he had to have seen a test run or something beyond a basic pitch before opening his wallet to fund that abomination.

@jamalwalker04 4 ай бұрын

I mean watching the Cleland show it's not hard to guess set thinks that type of humor is funny

@LetterNumber 4 ай бұрын

I blame everyone involved with the Good Times cartoon.

@Attmay 3 ай бұрын

@@LetterNumberThat pretty much guaranteed Norman Lear a place in Hell.

@Santoryu90 3 ай бұрын

@@jamalwalker04I really wouldn’t say The Cleveland Show is comparable to the Good Times cartoon.

@SunAndMirror 4 ай бұрын

Seth MacFarline has a lot of vocal talent and does like 3+ voices for the show, can sing, and writes most of the showtunes

@PseudonymsAreGovnoYaEbalGoogle 3 ай бұрын

Seth is pretty awesome, though, IMHO, he should stop writing anything. He is kind of tired of this, obviously.

@Fatih_M177 3 ай бұрын

@@PseudonymsAreGovnoYaEbalGoogle Oh he did stop writing stuff A LONG time ago, now he mostly just acts and sings, all the unfunny Family Guy jokes, those aren't his, he just reads the lines cause, i dunno, paycheck i guess.

@PseudonymsAreGovnoYaEbalGoogle 2 ай бұрын

@@Fatih_M177 maybe they should hire better writers. Manatees were clearly better writers than current ones.

@Fatih_M177 2 ай бұрын

@@PseudonymsAreGovnoYaEbalGoogle Ah, Manatees, they're brilliant creatures aren't they!

@petermj1098 4 ай бұрын

Walt wanted people to think he has Mickey Mouse’s personality but Walt true personality is Mortimer Mouse.

@illizcit1 3 ай бұрын

It easy to forget the many moving parts of art. For me, the voice actors and composers are always the stars. I can watch anything experly animated but the voices and sounds bring everything to life.

@ToonrificTariq 3 ай бұрын

@@illizcit1 I feel that! Composers especially are unsung heroes a lot of the time!

@illizcit1 3 ай бұрын

@ToonrificTariq playing your fave game or wat hing shows on mute hits different. Lol The irony is that I always forget the writers who pull together such a great story

@Dr.Awesome126 3 ай бұрын

I'm glad for a video like this to exist. It really highlights that just because a creator is famous and well known doesn't automatically equal to "creator did all the work and the team wouldn't be here without them" because the team responsible for said creation were the ones who carried it through struggles and hardships the most and no one creates something like animation alone. For example, people used to believe that a show like RWBY was considered a terrible show and even to the point they believe it "abandoned Monty Oum" even though it wasn't true at all, Monty wasn't responsible for everything, like the stories or most of the character designs, they were suggested by fans at one of their contests, even the story about Ruby's dead mom wasn't something he came up on his own, it was from a fan of his who suggested that the gravestone in the trailer was Ruby's mom, and he thought it was a cool idea. He had a team that helped carried the show, even during its rough moments, sure he died early on sadly, but he cared deeply with the people he worked with and knows they deserve credit because they're the ones who understand the show and himself as an individual and not just "the guy who can only animate cool action fight scenes that made the show interesting in the first place."

@maybe8985 4 ай бұрын

Idk if Trey Parker and Matt Stone actually really credit the writers they work with, but they always remain involved in any South Park episode, games or any other medium. They really care about the identity of their show.

@inovakovsky 4 ай бұрын

Trey has been the sole credited writer and director for 95% of the past couple hundred episodes.

@petermj1098 4 ай бұрын

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Trey, Matt and their animation friend/collaborator Eric Stough did do ALL the cut out animation for the first episode of South Park ALL by themselves. Eric Stough is the main animator animation director of the show and his nickname is “Butters” which of course they based the character off of.

@jiveturkey9494 3 ай бұрын

Yes as staff writers or producers but Trey writes it himself you use people for ideas and funny possible bits

@conorburke1999 3 ай бұрын

If Matt Groening was never that hands-on, what exactly has he spent most of his time doing since 1989?

@itsjdfilm 4 ай бұрын

Amazing video dude. I wish more people knew about this! I would say the first animation every created that's rarely attributed is Gertie the Dinosaur though which predates Steamboat Mickey by 14 years. It's undebatable that Walt Disney definitely industrialized it along with the rest of the film industry. Another super famous example of this is with Stan Lee and Steve Ditko; the artist and designer responsible for the unmistakable look of Spiderman. They tried pressing him on it in the last decade or so and would not acknowledge it clearly, I think he's gone on record - much like Walt Disney - as being a little too self congratulating on the concept of Spiderman. One last fact, Walt Disney was trying to invent a eutopia that would be basically a boarding school for animators and creatives that would just draw cells and design. He wanted to make it his own college and state with it's own legislations and debatably a way to house a community of animators whose only purpose was for work. There's a really good podcast called Deepcuts that talks about these topics further. I hope it inspires a part two to this!

@MidnightNautil1 3 ай бұрын

YEAH! #StandWithAnimation! This is another great video - people really seem to forget that animation in seen over by so many people and is a collaborative effort.

@TheCartoonGamer8000 4 ай бұрын

It's kinda like when people think Shigeru Miyamoto is responsible for everything good to come out of Mario and Zelda, even if he had little or no involvement in a game.

@koichidignitythief7429 3 ай бұрын

Aonuma wrote for a lot of the Zelda games. I say he was the biggest and best driving force behind the series

@TheCartoonGamer8000 3 ай бұрын

@@koichidignitythief7429 Even so, it wasn't all him either. It's all a collaborative effort.

@koichidignitythief7429 3 ай бұрын

@@TheCartoonGamer8000 I realize it was a collective effort I'm just saying her had more a vision and idea of what the series should be than Miyamoto.

@BluesM18A1 3 ай бұрын

Miyamoto may have done the first doodles for Mario, but it was (supposedly) some folks localizing Donkey Kong for the US that gave Mario his name and identity as an italian-american blue collar working man from Brooklyn. Miyamoto may have been the igniting spark for many Nintendo games, but these are always a team effort. As years went on he became far less of a hands-on game designer and more of a consultant and supervisor.

@doodelli 3 ай бұрын

Two things I want to add regarding early cartoon history because I’m a geek: 1. There was a similar dynamic between the co-creators of Felix The Cat, that being Pat Sullivan (who took most of the credit) and Otto Messmer (who did most of the work). 2. Walt Disney did not invent the wheel by having his main character be a cheeky mouse. It was a fairly common trope in the 1920s. In fact, before Mickey and Felix, the most famous cartoon animals in America were Krazy Kat and Ignatz Mouse created by French Creole cartoonist George Herriman in 1910. Herriman’s comic strip ran until 1944 when he passed away. Disney was undeniably aware of Herriman, as Alice The Peacemaker (1924) draws direct influence, both Disney and Herriman were a part of the Los Angeles social club The Uplifters in the 1930s, and Disney sent a letter to Herriman’s daughter Mabel upon her father’s passing on behalf of his grieving studio, saying that Herriman’s contributions to the cartoon medium may never be fully estimated. Edit: It should be noted that Herriman was asked in the 1930s if he thought Mickey was ”a child of Ignatz”, an accusation he waved off. The guy was notoriously unconfrontational in real life, so make of that what you will.

@ACDCisMYlyf 3 ай бұрын

I reckon people are a bit to harsh on uncle Walt. He knew what he was doing, his name was the studio, so from a business point of view, he had to create an image for the public - and it worked. Years later, there is an interview of Walt admitting that he didn’t draw anything, though it was an illusion he created as part of the brand. Majority of the animators and people who worked for him loved him and understood this. He gave plenty of support, admiration and credit where it was due! That may have been behind the scenes, though that’s no different to any other studio.

@quickpawmaud 3 ай бұрын

I think music is also underappreciated in these shows. Probably my favorite thing about Boondocks is the music. It is just so iconic to me. So much stuff nowadays just uses licensed music which can be good if used correctly but having original music for your show, music that is really memorable is definitely what makes me think about it decades after it is released.

@ToonrificTariq 3 ай бұрын

Very good point!

@wolf2912 3 ай бұрын

Even if Walt Disney did not draw Mickey he was the one who came with the idea of Mickey mouse the real story is that both Ub iwerks and Walt Disney both created Mickey

@mcbacktalk3129 4 ай бұрын

Shouts out to drunk history for going over this story back in 2010s and props to keeping his story alive T. Ub is an underrated master 👏 🙌

@BluesM18A1 3 ай бұрын

What's said here really needs to be kept in mind for anything that's a team effort by nature. Shigeru Miyamoto may have done the first doodles for Mario but it was (supposedly) the american localization team that gave him his name and identity when Donkey Kong came to the states. Ideas get bounced back and forth and added to by different people all the time. Even people who work solo on books, comics, or whatever else still have editors or at least somebody to bounce ideas on and get feedback.

@devilord3271 3 ай бұрын

There's this great manga called Billy Bat about an american cartoonist who goes to Japan because he thinks he subconsciously lifted the design for his character after seeing it somewhere during the war, and he wants to find the man who originally drew it so he can credit him and get permission, and while hes gone a business man manipulates his assistant into stealing his character and they turn it into a massively popular character overnight

@nobel11 4 ай бұрын

I remember having a similar debate with nerdy sci-fi friends about how Lucas and Roddenberry got all the credit for Star Wars and Star Trek. I don't know if there's something about our American culture that pushes this narrative of the iconic creator, but I think in pretty much any creative field you'll find examples of it.

@chrisrockett5897 4 ай бұрын

Fr. I don't remember the LAST thing that Lucas actually did for the franchise.

@MissFashionVT 3 ай бұрын

Animators deserve so much more respect than they get and more compensation and I hope one day the industry changes

@a.g.7880 3 ай бұрын

It's called being a producer.

@ToonrificTariq 3 ай бұрын

@@a.g.7880 I love how so many of these comments take me saying “give credit where credit is due” as me not understanding what a producer is lol.

@BelieveOntheLordJesusChrist836 2 ай бұрын

Learned a lot listening to this. It really makes me think more of all those end credits you see in movies, series, etc. So many more people are behind the finished product of animation than just one person. Good info man.

@Wubster649 4 ай бұрын

1 guy/girl can’t be solely responsible for every moving part in a tv show/movie/game etc.

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

Alot of the comic strip guys certainly did everything. Especially Bill Watterson and Charles Schultz Schultz never animated but he drew every strip. Aaron Mcgruder also didn't animate but he wrote every comic strip. Mangaka also usually write and draw all the manga themselves but often have assistants. Eiichiro Oda in particular is incredible. Seriously look up his work schedule. According to one magazine, he wakes up at 5 am works, then goes to sleep at 2 am.

@chrisrockett5897 4 ай бұрын

Fr. Those are the realist heroes. I especially love when they credit other people.

@CinnamonGrrlErin1 4 ай бұрын

Unlike Jim Davis who basically passed Garfield off to a team of people as soon as he possibly could

@icecreamhero2375 4 ай бұрын

@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 Not entirely true. If I recall correctly he is very involved in the business side, he still writes a lot of the gags and other people draw it. That man is a genius.

@bendu8282 4 ай бұрын

@relientlykrazie6011 4 ай бұрын

(This is a bit rambly, sorry, it is midnight and i tend to type a lot without really knowing where I'm going when tired) It wasn't until Adventure Time that I really started paying attention to the crew members of shows that weren't just the creator or voice actors, mainly because Tumblr was all abuzz with how good Rebecca Sugar's episodes in particular were, which is why I was so excited to learn she was making her own show and decided I was gonna be there day one when it aired because I was just interested to see what she would come up with. In the background, because I followed Ed Edd n Eddy superfan Kevin Lordi, I had been aware of a particular board artist on *that* show, Raven Molisee, and followed them for some time on both DeviantArt and tumblr and then they announced they were gonna be working on Rebecca Sugar's show which of course got me even more intrigued and, rather quickly, I enjoyed Raven's episodes, he and board partner Paul Villeco just give everything such fun expressions that I love to look at, (they make for great reaction images/memes) and an interesting writing style (Steven has very interesting vocabulary in their episodes). Easily my favorite board team of the show, I have rewatched their episodes in particular too many times to count, but I also acknowledge the other teams and their own unique style they bring to the show. People always bemoan the off-model thing but I don't think Steven Universe would have been as memorable/impactful as it was without that. I love looking at a random episode and going "oh, I know who boarded this scene!" based on how the characters look, which you wouldn't really have if they stuck with the style of the pilot (which is really just Rebecca's style) like some fans wished when the series designs were shown off. I love learning behind the scenes stuff, have for a long time given my love for the Invader Zim DVD commentaries. I love hearing the silly inside jokes animators have, I love learning that certain aspects of the crew were put into characters. This year has been *very* fun and interesting for me as Raven has started selling production stuff of the shows he's worked on and I love learning every new tidbit he had attached to the things he's selling (or tells me directly Twitter DMs hehe). I was rewatching the SU a few months ago and anytime I had a question about production-related things, like why a certain choice had been made or if S&P had a problem with a particular line, I would ask him and he gladly answered. Uhhh I'm rambling.... anyway, PAY ARTISTS WHAT THEY DESERVE 👏

@morganorwhatever 4 ай бұрын

Raven was so important to EEnE, namely its later years. The boards he did for Jonny’s nightmare in BPS were SO good, it’s a shame the sequence was cut. I would kill to see gum Eddy animated

@llamasarus1 4 ай бұрын

People act like having a financial and reputational stake and determining the creative direction while overseeing the allocation of resources and the division of labor even while not doing the manual labor makes one undeserving of the credit and I disagree. History shows that Ub Iwerks was replaceable and that Walt and Roy ran the show.

@MaverixWondrs 3 ай бұрын

Loved that iconic laugh at 2:55😂😂

@JRS06 3 ай бұрын

I think the reason we attribute shows to one person is a matter of convenience. It's easier to say "That guy makes this show" instead of "these 20 guys make this show". We shouldn't deny the involvement of Disney, Groening, MacFarlane, and anyone else; they do have a role in making it/did at one point, but at the end of the day there are a lot of people who make shows as good as they are. Same goes for bad ones.

@Channel-Change-Official 4 ай бұрын

I was legit refreshing KZbin till this dropped

@sogothshesblack 4 ай бұрын

I wish more people thought of animation as a collaborative effort and just did like the bare minimum of research about how their favorite shows are made, esp when the credits are Right. There. It makes me even more annoyed when I see cartoon youtubers do it cause like...is this not your shit? Don't you do this for a living??? You can't open Wikipedia, click source links, and read???

@PinkPlume 3 ай бұрын

12:00 seeing an old-timey lightbox in the background surprised me, I was sure that The Boondocks was a digitally animated show

@Fallingwithstyle1995 3 ай бұрын

“A PhD in dweebonomics” had me on the floor.

@blancobenny8242 4 ай бұрын

Low key facts, I swear i feel like a lot of creators just work on the first episode or season and then leave it to everyone else while taking all the credit.

@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 4 ай бұрын

People seem to have this bias towards thinking that one man is responsible for things. You see this in politics all the time. Lots of people seem to blame the President for everything that goes wrong, as though the President has absolute power and is the one making the laws. But the President doesn’t make laws, just like a show runner doesn’t write all the scripts. I guess people find it easier to pin everything on one person because it’s simple, and people have trouble wrapping their heads around complexity.

@yosefdemby8792 3 ай бұрын

To say that Walt Disney never directed an animated cartoon is not true.

@ToonrificTariq 3 ай бұрын

Hey dude, you’re right! That’s why I never said that! What I actually say is that Walt never directed a movie, which is very true!

@Jameskoek 4 ай бұрын

Well said, Animation has always been the ultimate collaborative art, and the shout out to the Animators Strike is nice to hear from someone with your platform. Always a treat to watch your vids.

@cherriegetison6093 3 ай бұрын

An animation professor I had shared a clip of Bill Melendez recounting working at Disney. One time, he and a group of employees saw Walt Disney struggle to draw something and toss it in the trash. When they went to the trash can to see, Melendez says it was the worst Mickey Mouse drawing he'd ever seen lmao. I wish I could find the clip online.

@ToonrificTariq 3 ай бұрын

@@cherriegetison6093 If you ever do, please let me know! That sounds hilarious lol.

@thefilthyrhombus3856 3 ай бұрын

“I am in no sense of the word a great artist, not even a great animator; I have always had men working for me whose skills were greater than my own. I am an idea man.” - Walt Disney

@mechajay3358 3 ай бұрын

@@thefilthyrhombus3856Yeah, Walt might not be artistically creative, but he had enough creative ideas that push the Disney company into a major studio.

@yoshisreal 4 ай бұрын

Not a film/animation company, but Nintendo is also guilty of stealing credit just like Disney. (Which makes sense since Nintendo and Disney have many things in common, both positive and negative.) While Miyamoto did make the blueprints and characters for the original Donkey Kong arcade game in 1981, Ikegami Tsushinki is actually the company who DID develop AND manufactured the game. When the game became a smash hit, Nintendo didn't pay Ikegami any money for their work. Nintendo doubled down on their theft by reverse engineering Donkey Kong's code to produce Donkey Kong Jr. and Ikegami eventually sued them for stealing and uncrediting their code. There's a reason why the NES version of Donkey Kong has been rerelased more than the actual arcade version, other than the fact that Nintendo loves constantly milking the NES, and even then they still don't credit Ikegami for their work. More "fun" facts: - Nintendo removed developers' names off the credits with the Metroid Prime remake and people were rightfully upset. - Some of Nintendo's earlier arcade titles are just blatantly plagiarizing other works like Space Invaders. (I know it's the 70s and most games during that time were just blatantly plagiarized versions of games like Pong, but that doesn't make Nintendo's theft any better.)

@lyokianhitchhiker 4 ай бұрын

Nintendo is the Disney of gaming.

@toolazyforadecentname8412 4 ай бұрын

The thing about Ub Iwerks is that while he was a brilliant animator (he invented the flat-plane camera just for Plane Crazy), his own cartoons didn’t really have the wit or the charm that his contemparies had. He was described as being a very unfunny man, and his own cartoons kind of prove that. They are well drawn and very well animated, but they are mostly forgetten beyond very terminally online Animation fans, and for good reason. You don't really have the heart of Disney or the humor of Fleischer. You have these cartoons that are charming, but they are very dated and very clunky in terms of humor. Hell, his own cartoons began imitating Disney after a while in an ironic twist of fate. Honestly, for as important as Iwerks was for early Disney, his departure might have been a better thing in the long run.

@CinnamonGrrlErin1 4 ай бұрын

That's true, especially if you watch his Flip the Frog cartoons. They're well animated, but who remembers Flip today?

@morganorwhatever 4 ай бұрын

Exactly! Iwerks had technical skill, but he didn’t have the creativity of Disney. They each brought their own talents to creating Mickey

@Elizabethcantsing 2 ай бұрын

absolutely loved this video, man. I'm a huge animation fan and knew some of this information before but I'm so excited to have found your channel and really enjoyed the format of this video. hope your day is going well!