Octavia HATES Stolas? How Andrealphus Will Hurt Octavia Theory!

[@mx9226]

I wouldn’t put it past Stella and Andrealphus to manipulate and lie to Octavia to turn her against Stolas.

[@joeldean2706]

Same. But I feel that she'll eventually turn against her mum and Andrealphus.

[@andrewsung3965]

Yeah if bad batch taught me anything, is that octavia wouldn't believe andrlaphis and Stella's lies the moment she discovered the truth and realizing they are worst than stolas.

[@leonre3677]

While tragic, this will probably lead to Stolas doing the Self Revaluation he needs to do, cause his actions has consequences.

[@Blue_Justice_12]

And once it happens Andrealphus and Stella will kill Octavia when the time is right

[@tobsonasanya4765]

Eh no​@@Blue_Justice_12

[@Moonlight.Howlings.666]

I have a feeling Andrealphus and Stella will use Octavia as a bargaining chip of sorts, either by threatening to kill her or offering sole custody of her in exchange for his position in the Ars Goetia and money. I wouldn’t be surprised though if they perform a kidnapping scenario with Octavia and Blitzo either to make Stolas suffer even more/make it more likely he’d give up everything to save them.

[@Derpy-fun125]

I agree with your theory. I wouldnt put it above the Ars Goetia dudes (mostly Andrelphus and Stella).

[@fallenking578]

It could also be yet another manipulation. Telling Octavia "go along with this and if daddy comes running you'll see he loves you over some imp. We won't REALLY be taking everything, it's just to prove a point" when a) they do in fact plan to take everything and b) have some things in place to keep Stolas from showing up to make Octavia think he didn't even bother to come save her. Thus turning her against him

[@purple__squad1578]

I always believed that striker will try to hurt both via and blitz as stolas expressly threatened striker if he tried to hurt her. So striker wanting to "kill 2 birds with 1 stone" could be very interesting

[@nil981]

​​@@Derpy-fun125except that Stella would end up being betrayed by andrealphus. Andrealphus would probably let Stella have his position in the ars goetia if he takes stolas' place. And Octavia, having fulfilled her purpose would more than likely end up killed to remove any loose ends. Which would require blitz and stolas to effectively team up to rescue Octavia and help Stolas and Octavia go into hiding. Stolas and Octavia would essentially both lose their place in the ars goetia royalty and be forced to live among the lower classes of hell all the while resenting the whole situation. Blitz would be in an incredibly tough position as now he, Stolas, and Octavia must dodge assassination attempts from the ars goetia whilst dealing with their bitter resentment of him. Moxie and Millie would abandon blitz for their own self preservation and because they'd get sick and tired of blitz and the consequences of his actions. Loona would likely leave blitz as well because the situation blitz put himself and her in would prove too much for her to deal with. Where the story goes from there, I have no idea *Edit: I don't think Paimon would care that Stolas was overthrown by Andrealphus and Stella as he always viewed Stolas as a means to an end and an annoying liability that he doesn't have to deal with anymore. But would probably come to regret accepting the change of positions as it becomes clear that Octavia is still alive. The discovery that andrealphus claimed Stolas' position illegitimately at the behest of Stella would make for some awkward conversations with the other goetia kings.

[@Derpy-fun125]

@@nil981 that'd be a fun plot point

[@NightoftheLivingcookies10]

There's something more tragic the implications of Octavia's dialogue refer too To me, it seems Octavia has been kept from all Goetia politics, traditions, and other relatives her whole life. I think it's gonna be revealed she's completely unaware of her parents marriage having been arranged and that she only was made to exist as a "backup". She's probably spent her life thinking her parents were together because they MUST have loved each other at some point or cared enough to birth her Imagine how devastating it would be for her if someone like Stella or Paimon told her the truth. She would immediately think her dad NEVER WANTED HER and that her birth ruined his life! To her it would "all make sense" why Stolas seems "so eager" run off with Blitz because she was never wanted and never will be. That's probably gonna be the breaking point and what the dialogue in the trailer refers to

[@zoechapman8375]

Me to also since octavia is coming of age and stolas is temporary not royalty and it would be logical by that time she would be 17+100=117 years old that since she was birthed as a procortionary person to the thrown it would be logical she will also then be put with a suiter to also be married of by her mother and sus uncle and it wont be long for them to drag her to family royal events to talk about arranged marriage and pollitics and her new expectations while her father is gone and i think octavia will go trying to find answers maybe using the book and takes it behind the drhelphhus back to use a spell to probably seek the truth.

[@-Kalamity]

Octavia said: "You never loved mother, and you don't love me. You love him!"

[@UltimateGamerCC]

that line frustrates me so much, has ever since i saw the trailer. of course he loves her, the first part of that line IS true though, he never loved Stella. it was an arranged marriage and she was TERRIBLE to him, she knows not of what he went through for 16 or so years to give her a NORMAL childhood and if she did know, she'd feel incredibly guilty.

[@shadowfox2730]

​​@UltimateGamerCC I agree with you, but a 16 year old with uncontrollable emotions and people telling you lies. I won't be surprised she'll believe some of the lies they tell her. And as much as I like Stolas, he's a bad written character. Stolas was just a side character that Blitzo was messing with, but he's now one of the mine characters with a complicated story. A vague and rushed complicated story. I think Stolas needed more screen time before we gotten to this plot.

[@Zelink108]

@@shadowfox2730 how is he badly written? Also “side character”? You mean in the frigging pilot that clearly has some things retconned and rewritten?

[@shadowfox2730]

@Zelink108 I have said why I think he's was written badly, and just because they reconnected and rewritten it does not mean it can be done poorly.

[@Zelink108]

@@shadowfox2730 No you didn’t, you gave a weak answer.

[@Gothckstar697]

I really hope nothing bad happens to Octavia she's really my all-time favorite character, even though we see only a little of her.

[@paleoberd]

We will definitely be seeing more of her :] Don't worry

[@Вики-ю1ш]

I hate that according to Vivienne Helluva Boss this is a men's show... I'd like to see more of Octavia.

[@cobracorporal6738]

Same

[@albatross4920]

Poor Octavia keeps getting left on the back burner, even though she has fear of getting left behind and forgotten by her dad. I can imagine either Stella and Andrealphous either manipulating and use Via, or maybe she's so sick of Stolas' shenanigans that she decides to side with her mom and uncle on her own accord.

[@dragonking1097]

We can only hope Via starts to see things differently, especially once her dad is out of the picture for a while. When stories may seem two sided, it’s easier to focus on one side over another. But when one side is off the books, that’s where we start seeing the other side a bit more clearly.

[@zeelovesu172]

THANK YOU for acknowledging Stolas' detrimental flaws as a parent! He 1000% needs to be held accountable for continuously neglecting Via!

[@viriyananda]

He just say that but not do something like spending time with his daughter like a loona and blitz but acting like a whiny cry baby just because blitz just roleplay with all sex just for that book but he should be mature and move one and realized he has daughter to take care but he chooses to isolated himself and acting like a victimized for a love he doesn't know what love meaning Meaning about parenting love he never have because of paimon neglected he do same to Oktavia without realizing that it hurts her trusted

[@sammcfarlane2494]

I think that the court scene that’s gonna happen in the next episode is probably gonna be about custody of Octavia.

[@wordsmith6154]

Honestly, with Octavia's story, I think you're right on the money. Getting her on her mother’s side would be the smartest way that they can get her away from her father and if her father dies, they either have a way for Octavia to give everything to them or they have an easy way, as you said, to kill Octavia before they kill Stolas. I'm hoping the latter doesn't happen. I love Octavia! However, it's obvious her mother doesn't as, at the party they hosted (which wasn't that long ago in-universe), Octavia is referenced by Stella to her friends as "his egg that dropped put of her." We've also never seen her communicate with Octavia, only told that she has mother-daughter days with her off screen. Honestly, I want to see one of those as a short, to see how Stella interacts with her daughter. Even if it ends up being an Octavia-Loona short instead, I want to see how Stella interacts with her daughter.

[@thesourpatchkid69]

I wouldn’t actually necessarily say it’s “obvious” considering that when you’re forced to have a kid with someone you don’t love, you’re not going to love the experience. also, Stella only referred to her pregnancy as “the egg”, it’s like how one calls a baby. I would see taking what Stella said as the equivalent of, “I had a baby” since some birds don’t really go through labor, their eggs would literally just pop out. maybe this was stella’s experience, her egg’s initial birth just felt like another tuesday. AND, Octavia’s actual birth wasn’t when the egg first popped, it was when she pipped and hatched. therefore, we don’t actually know how stella felt when Octavia was born. I would also like to point out that Andrealphus calls Octavia by her nickname, “Via”, which implicates that there may be some level of relationship, not necessarily Stella, but maybe just with her uncle.

[@DoubleKay31]

I think Octavia could tell the difference between truths and lies. No matter how Stella and Andrealphus will try to manipulate her, I think she’ll know that they’re dishonest.

[@chelonianmobile]

They don't have to lie. Stolas already barely acknowledges that she has any thoughts different from his.

[@lightjones9894]

At least it seems that Stella didn't mind that all of Stolas's stuff goes to Octavia.

[@asasdad1041]

we really have no clue what thier realtion ship is all fotage we have is with stollas nit them alone with each other

[@LadyLeomon]

Dude, during Stolas’s kidnapping by Striker it was only Andrelphus pointing out that _Octavia_ would be the heir to Stolas’s ‘everything’ that made her delay his death, I can only guess she wanted to either pressure him into giving it all to her or pressure Octavia the same way. But we still have no clue what sort of mother Stella is to Octavia, like is she an attentive mother or an absent one? With what we know so far I can only assume she wanted to pressure Stolas into changing his will to be in her favour 🤔🤔🤔

[@desireeloveros1055]

I think she genuinely forgets she has a kid

[@richardphilpott1013]

I’ve spoken at length previously about my theory that Andrealphus is plotting to move up the Ars Goetia ladder by getting Stolas to surrender his royal title, or killing him if he refuses. I expect he and Stella will attempt to influence Octavia against him, however I can see this failing as Via is far from stupid. Naive maybe, as her father was in his youth, but not stupid. Whatever goes down she will become a bargaining chip, potentially Blitz too. What’s crucial, and lacking, is the context behind Via’s line in the trailer. Let’s not be under any illusions: she clearly says “you never loved mother” meaning she was saying this to Stolas. We just need to know why, and I pray it happens during birdy boy’s character arc where he realises how he was belittling Blitz and imps in general through his treatment of them, even though he wasn’t doing it intentionally. And while he was busy thirsting after Blitz, he was neglecting his own daughter.

[@samurexatlas7373]

Mastermind could be referring to Andrealphas' planning, setting the stage for havoc on Sinsmas where the party takes place.

[@The_Comicman]

It could also refer to the weird Demon cult we saw in the trailer Or it could be the Dhorks with Cherubs attacking again Or maybe, just maybe Crimson or Striker show up again too

[@sammcfarlane2494]

I can’t wait to see Via again.

[@connorredshaw5650]

I hope that we get more screen time of Octavia and Loona together. Maybe one of the 3 shorts being released before ghostfuckers will focus on both Octavia and Loona just hanging out with eachother and having a great time together. I feel like that would definitely strengthen their older sister and younger sister bond even more.

[@spyroJM]

I want Stolas and Octavia to have an emotional moment. For Octavia saying that you never love mom and you don't love me. I think after separating from Blitz and having the chance to love himself, I honestly think the Stolas would tell his daughter that if he didn't love her, he would've put her through the same things that his father put him through. Also, this could be a perfect opportunity for Stolas to come out to his daughter as being gay. However, he had to fulfill his duties as a member of the Goetia family. Plus, considering that it is confirmed that Octavia is Asexual she might want to come out to her father as well.

[@ajtheflame9180]

Octavia is my biggest problem with the series, not because of her, but because she doesn’t get enough screen time, and her just waking up one day and “now I’m angry at my dad” feels so repetitive without filler in between

[@tobsonasanya4765]

Stolas has his flaws so it makes sense

[@ajtheflame9180]

@@tobsonasanya4765 yes, but its the only thing that ever happens with her. I want maybe a short where its just her life outside of stolas, like living with Stella or having to deal with other royals, (or maybe go outside if she is allowed to) all we know about her is from her problems with stolas.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

I guess. Then again she ain't a main character so. Plus we have 2 more seasons

[@ajtheflame9180]

@@tobsonasanya4765 The next season's trailer also indicates its gonna happen again, and she's more of a main character than sally may and the weeb girl

[@halomoon_]

In the final episode andrealphus is ready to participate in a battle or in some sort way to fight Stolas but from what others are saying it’s to be believed that Stolas has no powers or abilities to keep him from getting harmed which is where imp comes in to help him but Octavia might see all of it and when the battle is over because maybe she intervene in some way but not to stop the fight more like to be mad at her dad because it appears he left her and chose to stay with blitz because if it’s true that Stolas lost his title and everything else then it might make her believe that he didn’t bat an eye at her when he left

[@kaijunasan4497]

This I've actually been wondering Stolas needs to FOCUS ON HIMSELF AND OCTAVIA 👏👏 not be so hell bent on hunting for a relationship. He's a dad at the end of the day still

[@phoenixwright2420]

Exactly

[@CartoonUniverse]

its hard to be a dad when you've been starved for 25 years.

[@Клеверок-м4н]

@@CartoonUniverse its not an excuse. Stolas must learn to set his priorities. Especially since he claims Octavia as "the best thing in his life".

[@Goikuchan]

​@@Клеверок-м4н You're not seeing the long term picture. Children eventually leave the nest. What then? Goetia live for an eternity. Live by your lonesome self? Stolas was forced into fatherhood in his late teens and loved Octavia unconditionally regardless. This man's whole life was built on obligations and pleasing others. Any semblance of childhood and choice was taken from him the moment his duties were dumped on him. Eventually one needs to break free and choose for themselves to make a change. Like said above. Stolas is starved of love. He's been treated like Stella's footrug way too long and it has made him a broken depressed man. Why wouldn't he be allowed to pursue a romantic relationship beside paternal love at this point? Octavia needs to realize she will have to share her dad's affection to see him truly happy. Parents aren't perfect. There's no manual for parenting or to prepare you for it. They have their own struggles and feelings. Its like Loona said, everybody's got issues. And Stolas is truly trying to be the best he can. He just has a lot going on, just like any adult.

[@maxfreeman818]

I believe once Octavia learns her own mother or brother-in-law is trying to kill her, she will be even more confused cause Stella wants her ex-husband to look like the bad guy, pushing her away so she is manipulative. I imagine Stolas will involve Blitz in his situation. Octavia bring only a teenager will most likely take Stella's side. I don't know where Striker will fit in this since Stella called him off.

[@harleyhart1497]

To me, Octavia is smart enough to see Andrealphus and Stella's plots against Stolas and herself. Her being so strongly affected by Stolas and Stella arguing and eventually divorcing is actually pretty normal for people her age in similar situations (I think). I feel like, at some point (hopefully soon) Octavia will find out the truth behind her Stolas and Stella's relationship.

[@tanishamuntslag6369]

considering Octavia's line in the trailer it is clear that she feels neglected and unloved by her father even if he is doing it unintentionally he has a habit of thinking more about Blitz than her .Stolas loves her dearly but from how he has been acting lately she does not see it that way and Stolas fails to notice how Octavia has been feeling about the divorce

[@CartoonUniverse]

BY THE WAY what are your favorite Anime's you'd like to see Deepcut discuss? Don't worry its on the side channel, this channel will stay western.

[@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982]

Can you discuss the anime called Sonic X? It's one of my favorite animes ever and I love Sonic the Hedgehog!🤩

[@victoryangel29]

Jigoku Shojo and Mushishi

[@OliverReynolds123]

Hi Deepcut, this video was badass keep up the amazing work.😎👍🏻 The Dinosaur King is an amazing anime that would be cool to discuss.🦖🦕

[@DARTHBROSKAS]

Your my favorite twink

[@hannahmabbott7370]

Can you talk about the old kinnikuman anime? This is only because of the new kinnikuman anime coming out which is based on the first arc of the 2011 manga.

[@ultima1594]

I think them tackling the realization all kids have that parents are people outside of being parents and having that for Via would be very cool.

[@LauraM96829]

I’m still waiting to see Stella and Octavia interact, since we still have no idea what their relationship is or how Stella actually feels about her daughter. Maybe that line from the season 2 part 2 trailer where Octavia says that Stolas doesn’t love her is a result of Stella or Andrealphus’ manipulation like you said. Maybe they’ll tell her how her birth was arranged by her grandfather to secure a family heir. And they’re able to spin this in a way to make her think that Stolas never actually wanted her, and is going to leave her now that she’s almost an adult. She’s not going to realize how Stolas sacrificed years of his own happiness to give his daughter a stable childhood.

[@tatyonnacox7167]

we do know what Stella thinks of Octavia in season 2 ep 1 (I think), when she mentions Octavia as only the egg she laid. and in seasons 1 ep 2, when Octavia was a little owlet, she had a nightmare and then called for both Stella and Stolas. Stella ignores her, while Stolas comforts her. So while we may not have any interactions between Stella and Octavia, we can already tell how Stella thinks of her.

[@LauraM96829]

@@tatyonnacox7167 There was also season 2, episode 2, when Stella and Stolas are fighting over the phone and Stolas says, “No, I’m not turning her against you”. Implying they do have a relationship she’s afraid he’s jeopardizing. Or she only wants control over Octavia to make sure she becomes a proper heir the Goetia want.

[@tatyonnacox7167]

@@LauraM96829 guessed I'd miss that line. also, I'm gonna go with the second option, because Stella acts like Octavia doesn't exist to her or is just an egg she laid, so I can see her only wanting control over Via just because she wants to and because of Royal Ars Goetia traditions.

[@thesourpatchkid69]

@@tatyonnacox7167I don’t think Stella was referring to Via, I think she was just referring to her as a ‘baby’, since Octavia wasn’t actually born yet when the “egg” popped out. Stella could literally just be referring to the egg…

[@thesourpatchkid69]

@@tatyonnacox7167Stella has the spoiled princess attitude, hence why she didn’t tend to Octavia, she was too lazy.. we aren’t sure AT ALL what Stella thinks of Octavia. My theory is that she doesn’t love her like Stolas does, but I do certainly think there is some existent connection, since Andrealphus refers to her as ‘Via’ and not by her full name. Indicating some bond since he calls her by her nickname..

[@thehugeilmemerdiyoutube2518]

I think Via will be shocked in seeing her father with the guy with the shirt "Better than blitzø" instead of blitzø

[@robgraham5320]

There is also the issue of Octavia 'Coming of Age' as a member of the Ars Goetia, and turning eighteen. From Via's first appearance in 'Loo Loo Land' through the latest episode released, 'Apology Tour' there has been over half a year worth of time passed. This encompasses from Spring Break in March (Spring Broken) to Halloween (Apology Tour). Via was already 17 in her first appearance, and is going to turn 18, which is legal age in North America where the show is made. This is likely to happen in the next few episodes, either late Season 2 or early in Season 3, depending on when she was born/laid/hatched I don't know what the standard is for the Ars Goetia. Since Via hasn't celebrated a birthday in the course of the show it falls to reason that her 'birthday' is somewhere between November and February. Via's time as a minor is running out, and will most likely do so in the course of the show in the not so far future. Here's a connection for you all to consider with regard to the Ars Goetia. If Stolas is in his mid 30's (going to guess 35, to keep the math on the 'legal' side) and Octavia is now 17, that means she was functionally 'born' when Stolas, and likely Stella, were just 18, and already married by that point. Given that Stolas and Stella were roughly 10-12 when they were 'engaged to be wed', is there a hidden 'marriage bomb', that we have not been told of yet in the show, waiting for Octavia on her 18th Birthday? Discuss at your leisure.

[@calebsutton6798]

Oh boy, well folks looks like it's time for more drama and also a lot of tissue price increase

[@chadwolfius3620]

Prediction-wise, I like to think that Octavia will find out that Stella and Andrealphus are manipulating her, only to come to conclusion that she can't trust anyone anymore, and starts doing things her own way, including practicing magic in self-taught, behind their backs or after running away. Another alternative is where she stays with Loona in the end; and Stolas, after reconciling with her possibly, willingly allows her to live on her own, knowing she still loves him.

[@nickroy8387]

One of my big theories is that Stolas and Octavia will lose their standing in the Goetia family, with them both moving in with Blitzo and having to accept a new station in life.

[@wolfythyalphapiratewolf2015]

I hope we get some more of Stolas trying to be a good dad for Octavia. But I also kinda want the show to focus on I.M.P. again. Though I would like amends to be made between Blitzo and Stolas when Stolas isn't drunk.

[@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982]

I just hope Stella and Andrealphus doesn't manipulate Octavia to get her to hate Stolas just because he loves Blitz. Stolas is a caring father to Octavia and I'm worried Octavia will think Stolas doesn't care about her. If Stella and Andrealphus would interact with Octavia then it can't be good.😨😬

[@rainbowquartz9513]

Oh sweetie! You’re dad does love you!! 🥺🥺🥺🥺💖💖💖💖

[@CastOfCharacters13]

I assumed Stolas would’ve told Octavia that he’s not seeing blitz anymore right when he came back to Verosika’s blitzo hate party or I wonder if she knows if she was listening her room was on the second floor when Blitz and Stolas were arguing

[@goddessbettyd5614]

She totally should and she most potentially will in upcoming Episodes. Right now we are completely at a place, where Blitzø's and Stolas' relationship is in a questionable condition. The Next Episode (2x08) is a major one and will have a lot of consequences on it, and that's more than likely where we will learn where we stand. Once the "lovebirds" figure their stuff out, we may see more of Octavia and Loona interacting with each other. Not to mention Octavia interacting with Stolas and maybe even the IMP overall (she will probably still feel somewhat weird with Blitzø, but that's completely normal).

[@Rainbowsyoungersister]

Imagine Stolas introducing Octavia to the Better than Blitzo guy as her second dad.

[@treblazer]

What if Andrelphus has to challenge Stolas for his title and position and that’s the clip we see of him powering up.

[@geardog24]

I feel like all of this is going to lead to Octavia running away from home again. Maybe for good.

[@calebsutton6798]

At least there may be time for her to reflect and meditate on the situation or even see a family on earth like hers but sees all the problems they have and octavia may have a revelation on her family

[@scamrasc]

I wish we had more development on the relationship between via and Stella to give us a better understanding of these characters but right now it's such a blank slate. Also, what does stolas do when not with Blitz? Why is he not with octaves then, considering that's the MAJORITY of his time???

[@silentmuse6660]

The one thing I hate about there possibly being another 'fight' between Octavia and Stolas is that it's already happened twice in the story already. We have to separate 'fights' that had Via running away to get her emotions out, with Stolas going after her because he wants to make sure she's okay and to correct whatever mistake he made. Now obviously the resolutions of these fight didn't fix things, more so just putting a temporary bandage over the gaping wound that is Stola putting his money where his mouth is and actually really showing that he loves these people outside of his fantastical view on life, but I really hope that this next upcoming fight between these two character isn't just more of what we already have seen. I truly wish that we will see some actual growth in the resolution of this next 'fight.' I want Stolas to realize he hasn't been much of a good father as he wanted to be, and I want Octavia to realize that her parents marriage wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. And I also want to her to realize that her parent's marriage has nothing to do with how much her dad loves her. But I will say one thing though, Via did kinda inherit Stolas's romanticized view on life, hasn't she? She seems to have really thought that her parents loved each other, even if we as the audience have only seen Stolas and Stella fighting or just barely tolerating each other. Especially since how the show makes out that Stella was always meant to be an antagonist in Stolas's life.

[@biobennie-kk9hu]

Don’t think stolas has a hard time talking to Octavia. It’s just the fact that it’s hard to bring up why stolas and Stella marriage is failing without bringing up the abuse and arrange marriage

[@allisonleksutin357]

I'm happy people are finally talking about the fact that stolas is kind of a shitty father

[@shadowfox2730]

No one never said he's a good father. And I honestly don't know why people expect him or anyone to be a father, when they themselves don't what it takes to be one. He was forced to have a kid when he shouldn't have had and not have a good example of what it is to be a father. Of course, he's gonna be a crappy father. For Blitzo, he may not had a good father but he at least had a good mother. How I see it, Blitzo has good people around him, while Stolas actually has no one. Yes, he has Octavia but he has no one his age like friends or family.

[@allisonleksutin357]

@@shadowfox2730 I've heard a lot of people try to say he's an amazing father. Btw you make a great point

[@shadowfox2730]

@@allisonleksutin357 oh god, who ever is saying that is delusional. And thanks.

[@anticarrrot]

We know from the preview that Andy fights Stolas and Blitz0 outside his house during Sinsmas. I'm guessing that fight ends when Octavia intervenes, and delivers her awful line - and tells Stolas to leave and never return. Because she's a thoughtless child, who's been raised by racist people, in a racist society - and she's absolutely not going to understand why Stolas put his life on the line for an imp - as opposed to kicking him aside and coming back to people who matter - like her and mommy. And I'm betting that lack of insight isn't fixed by the end of the episode. And possibly not by the end of the season.

[@unclekarma1855]

Honestly I hope Octavia goes off on Stolas cause she really was a casualty in the downward spiral of her father's life and relationships

[@Lunarcreeper]

a Theory i have is Stolas potentially trying to force himself into loving stella, because without Blitzø, he has nobody else. causing octavia to lash out on stolas.

[@TheBorb...]

Yesss was waiting for this! Great vid. One question. Does Octavia know that Stolas and Stella were an arranged marriage?

[@CartoonUniverse]

We don't know, but its probably 'vague' to her, like she understands arranged marriages but still believed there was love, largely because of the way stolas acts.

[@thegoodwitchluzura]

I want to see a ballad sung by Octavia all about her grief over feeling like she lost Stolas, the dad she once knew, to Blitz.

[@thegoodwitchluzura]

We got it! We got the song! And it's SO GOOD!

[@bahesb2419]

I like the idea of andrealphus becoming the new main antagonist of the series. He whould make for a better main villain then Stella(though part of me still hopes Stricker becomes the main villain)

[@SoniaInnes]

I would love if Octavia was going to get killed but Loona saves her. It would build the friendship between them.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

Yeah I’m going to guess Stolas taking Octavia to Loolooland has less to do with her actually liking it than it does with the fact that Blitz was working there as we can see in the freeze frame at 2:39 where he’s in the background wearing clown makeup leaning against a snack cart. Suggesting Stolas has probably been stalking Blitz for years using his young daughter as an excuse. If Stella and Andraelphus drop that on her I could see her really breaking down since the bond she had with her father was the only thing she had. Especially if the truth is she wanted to go somewhere else, like the official LuLu World theme park and her father was ignoring that.

[@silvereaglestudios]

I pray to god that Octavia doesn't end up hating Stolas, I don't think my heart can take it. 😢

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

It sucks when you love somebody but they don’t love you back

[@manuelalopez9638]

Well Striker did say to make an amazing surprise for Octavia, I think that Andre meeting up w/ Striker to make it is the 1st thing that's happening but where is it at exactly, and when does it happen? Not to mention could making Via super scared wherever they put her be one of them if Stella likes the idea of child endangering her?

[@glitchcat21]

it's sad that this happens in real life i feel bad for the children who have to go threw this😞

[@l0rdapophis]

HONEY!! IMPCUT UPLOADED!!!

[@lulufan100]

I really want to see how Stella tries to spin things. She didn't appear very bright, more like a spoiled little girl, so I'm curious to see if she could pull it off. I'm sure Andrealphus will coach her but I don't know if she could really convince Octavia that Stolas never cared. She openly spoke ill of him, even hired a hitman at the dinner table, it's hard to imagine her putting up appearances before the events of the show

[@sagrawolf]

I think what’s likely to happen is stolas will lose his title and have his powers stripped away from him making him a sitting duck for Andrealphus to take him out without any fear of punishment from the Ars Goetia then blitz will show up to save him leading to Octavia missing the whole fight and seeing her father with blitz right after learning that he lost his title and blames him for ruining everything all for blitz

[@FlashCameraStudio]

i knew, i knew it fucking knew i've had this gut feeling since western energy that Octavia would be in danger with Stella and Andrepelous with the two scheming in that episode. and that feeling's paid off. also that vid about Andreaplues being Blitz's ex got me thinking it does make sense considering his mindset with Veroskia and Stolas before he met the latter.

[@lunamelody2025]

My theory is Andrealphus wants Stolas alive is because Stolas might hold the key to Paimon's crown. Paimon's crown in the lesser key of solomon is supposed to be some "big treasure," so maybe it holds a lot of power to whoever wears it. Maybe Andrealphus realized only the direct son might have the knowledge or secret the crown's whereabouts, and Stella killing Stolas would complicate things. That, and maybe Stolas locked it away somewhere, fearing its power. I think at first Octavia will side with Stella, but I think she'll learn the real truth and realize she got duped by Stella. I also think Andrealphus might not want to kill her, as she is only 17 and I think Andrealphus might be one of the few villain characters to actually be merciful, and have some respect and honor amongst foes. Maybe Stella would want to kill her, as Stella seems to be the kind of character to do that because of how senile she is and she's very impulsive. But I think Andrealphus would hear that plan and not allow it to happen, and probably he'd try to send Octavia back to Stolas before Stella gets her hands on Octavia.

[@emmanuelmartin7609]

1. Part of me wants Adraophis to take Stolas' position just to watch him suffer when he bites off more than he could chew. 2. Octavia I sympathize with because I had a happy family. Yet, I couldn't understand the conflict between my parents after their divorce. I got older and learned the hard truths about my family. 3. I'd like to believe Stella does love Octavia, but there's reason enough to believe she'd kill her own daughter out of pettiness.

[@joeldean2706]

I hope we get a short or an episode around Octavia soon.

[@soltheunusual]

i have a feeling that may be why an episode is called "mastermind" i think that andrealphus and stella are gonna somehow manipulate her into disliking stolas

[@gaidencastro9706]

Question: Can Charlie enter the other rings?

[@samuelbanta4279]

I heard “father” when the trailer happened. As in “You never loved father, you don’t love me, you love him.” Maybe it’s just me but that’s just what it sounded like to me.

[@tatalsaba]

Some very interesting point in this vid, got to admit, I never thought about Andrealphus being married with an heir, but the idea holds up with cold Goetia's A Song of Ice and Firesque logic. I'm not entirely sold on Andrealphus planning to kill Octavia though, admittedly solely based on him calling her by her affectionate nickname Via and what I percieve as a worried tone when he realises who'd get the inheritance. Plus, I don't think Stella will resort to love bombing Octavia, since Via calls her mother (formal and factually cald) in the sound clip, as opposed to mom (informal, but affectionate, especially notable since she's always called Stolas dad). That "a plot point being resolved this season" stuff is interesting, though I don't think it'll be Stolitz (even if it'd make me happy, it's taken up too much space), but rather something else related to him, likely his divorce and his ranking within the goetia. If he's stripped of his wealth and position, and assuming he's not executed or imprisoned, his subsequent fate might've been hinted at during "The Circus" where Blitz offered him a job, but that'd very likely lead to Stolas fatigue for the fans, way more than what some fans are currently feeling.

[@ExponsiatoDonego]

I get the feeling that Octavia’s gonna snap at both of her parents and say something along the lines of “I’d rather be anything that isn’t a Goetia!”

[@SukunaIsHim]

The you love him line honestly makes me think that one of these episodes is basically an apology tour type episode but for stolas

[@Red-shrimps]

Bro why do they keep changing the colour of Octavia’s neck is like an animation error…or is it I could have sworn it was gray.

[@areakastudios6704]

Wait it happened multiple times? I thought it was just that one time in episode 5

[@toy1106392]

I figured it was a choker 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Red-shrimps]

@@areakastudios6704 ikr they keep changing it from white to gray idk why

[@MooreThanCosplay]

Octavia is my personal favourite character, I'm telling you whenever she's up again with that line we heard in the trailer, it's going to be tough to watch for me.

[@brianahawkins8124]

Octavia, your father loves & cares for you no matter what. You don't know the whole story of what happened during his childhood life including the abuse. You were the one thing that brought him joy, even though your growing up you will always be his daughter.

[@tron-a-con3700]

If Andreaphus did try to kill Octavia remember she is a processionary heir providing protection in its own right, if he did kill her I doubt the Goetia family would be happy with him dare I say Piamon would have a final word with the trouble he caused. To be fair despite the scandal Stolas has caused he still technically does his job and doesn't compromise anything he's tasked with doing

[@ikaikakaahanui2457]

Interesting and nice theory I also thought that maybe there will be a future episode where Stolas will tell Octavia that she could live a normal life and not take on the royal duties?

[@gracehartsock61684]

From one of the brief clips of Andrealphus it looks like he’s occupied Stolas’s palace. The architecture from Andrealphus’s palace doesn’t match up with the clip. Compare the clips 4:47 and 9:26 and you’ll see what I mean.

[@billcipher119]

I hope her and loona stay step siblings/sisters

[@kennyalwaysdies1]

I think Stolas is gonna have everything taken away from him by the court

[@Yuri-rr1el]

My honest opinion on this entire thing is I completely agree with Stolas when it comes keeping his past a secret it's not that he doesn't want his daughter to know is that he doesn't want her to get in the middle of everything because if she does she's going to be in the line of fire so he's trying to keep her on the side not because he doesn't love her but because as a father your daughter or son is the most important thing in losing them would probably be the worst thing a father could ever experience so he's trying to keep her safe so she doesn't get hurt it's not that he doesn't love her it's that he wants her to be okay in the end because he loves her too much to let her suffer

[@travisgrenier8357]

I had a few theories and I assume it confirms Octavia truly never knew her parents were an arranged marriage and she only exists because her grandfather ordered it

[@Allthingsasian]

Honestly Stolas does need to be called out for his behaviour. He does try but he's not the best parent imo. Sure he loves Octavia but sometimes love isn't enough. So far the show has characterized the breakup of Stolitz as ‘Blitz’s fault’ when Stolas is equally as accountable and with his own daughter calling him out I imagine Stolas will get a real wake-up call.

[@DanielleMartinPlays]

YOOO EARLY ALSO LOVE YOUR VIDSS!!!!

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, I see, very interesting, i could see this be the case, I wonder what we could expect from Octavia in the end?

[@HTFWSFWWE]

In Georgia Dow's videos on Stolas' parenting she said he was actually pretty good to Octavia, and Stolas not telling Octavia about his loveless arranged marriage was actually more healthy for Octavia and made Stolas the bigger person as he knew Octavia might love her mother all the same and he didn't want to project his own feelings for Stella onto Octavia. Also, I sincerely hope that Octavia's quote was a hallucination of some sort on Stolas' part, cuz so far in every single Octavia episode, Octavia gets upset at Stolas and believes he doesn't love her, Stolas clears up the misunderstanding and Octavia is reassured of her father's love for her. It happened in Loo Loo Land and in Counting Stars, just how many more times are we going to have to watch Octavia go through the exact same character progression?

[@RomanRogaOficial]

Stolas doesn't know Blitz since childhood, they met as kids once. That's completely different.

[@Elimichaelvillavicencio-yn1uw]

I hope andrealphus and octiva has a good relationship with each other

[@bear-7020]

nice video keep up the good work hope to see more like it

[@genquin]

I don’t think Octavia was saying that to her dad but I think it might be directed towards her mom, her mom might be trying to convince her that she’s an ally to get the inheritance by saying stuff like “I loved your father but he betrayed me and you” considering we seen Octavia forgive her dad and they’re trying to get along 🤔🤔

[@milkflavored]

Feels like Stolas and Blitzø are going to get together right before Imp/Nobility romance (Fizz x Ozzie) comes into question. That or Octavia gets kidnapped and I.M.P. are going to help Stolas get her back. Either way there’s no doubt in my mind by the end of the series, Stolas works at I.M.P. ❤

[@mercymcgee735]

Hey cartoon universe this is the first time me commenting on your channel.But I don’t know what to think about octavia and stolas? But I just want to say I love your videos there great.👍❤️

[@Skibidi.Cookie]

Well obviously Andrealphus and Stella grew up together so probably in Season 3 we’ll get a backstory of Andrealphus and Stella. 7:41

[@collinkeyser6827]

We Just Found Out Octavia Is Asexual, So I Wonder If That'll Play A Role.

[@danielclaw]

Honestly, I can imagine Stella & Andrealphus trying to turn Octavia against Stolas to have her give any (if not, all) her inheritance to Stella and/or Andrealphus so they can use them.

[@MrWarners14]

I feel like Stella and Andrealphus are up to no good. Octavia is in very real danger of being murdered by her mother and Andrea. Worse, she doesn’t even realise it. As far as I know, Stolas really does need to get her away from them.

[@yesikanarvaez5027]

I really hope she doesn't hate him and gets the whole story from both parties

[@SueWehkingPresents]

I would love an Octavia short to get her perspective.

[@Birdsflight44]

Thoughts on if Blitzø with a sword is a dream sequence? Stolas looks tiny, and it could be him imagining some romance novel, in his own parallel to the Truthseekers drug trip

[@demonprincess9680]

I imagine we'll have to wait until December when the episode Sinsmas comes out before we see what Andrealphus is doing with Octavia. Also, you have to wonder, how is Stolas supposed to tell her he only married Stella and had her because his father told him to. That revelation would also probably traumatize Octavia, knowing she only exists because her grandfather was thinking about the possibility of Stolas' death

[@cleotiger13]

Its more that I think Stella and her brother puts doubt in Via's mind and odds are when Adrealphus attacks Blitzo will be there to save Stolas and Via will see it as confirming her worst nightmare cause Stolas might have to leave since he was either dethroned or is no longer being protected by the Goatia. It will trigger her into thinking her father is leaving her which is just so fucked cause we know Stolas loved her so much that he was in an abusive relationship and tried for years to work it out with Stella who never tried unless it benefited her. Stolas is a great dad but he wants to spare Via instead of telling her the truth we also don't know how life was before Blitz in terms of how the relationship of Stolas and Via was during her teen years. Via resents Stolas because Stella was the one she expected to be selfish since she knew she had Stolas but now that Stolas wants to live for himself she thinks she is going to be left alone.

[@SonicrailinX]

And the fact that Blitz and Stolas haven't shared their past with others they care about, is one of the major reasons said others can't full understand why they are they way they are and so on

[@kay-jay1581]

I’m guessing season 4 is the finale of the series? I know making high quality indie animation is difficult. Funding is limited and I don’t think they accept sponsorships

[@spookyanimecatloving101]

I hardly doubt they would commence Octavia to turn against her father but that’s just me!.

[@Simply_cake2]

Could someon explain what "why does he hate her more than he loves me" mean. I never understood that sentence.

[@CartoonUniverse]

Stolas hates stella so much that he ends up ignoring Octavia. she sees this as his hate for stella being more important than the love he should be showing octavia.

[@Simply_cake2]

@@CartoonUniverse thank you.