COLLAPSE OF THE BUDGET CAR MARKET - YOUNG DRIVERS STRUGGLING

[@rinima858]

Car manufacturers were having a laugh with their price hike during COVID, then people starting to realised their old cars are actually not that bad.

[@UhOhUmm]

Not quite. Car manufacturers didn't properly account for how big the disruption of pandemic+Ukraine war would become on the supply lines and they sold cars during the pandemic with large discounts, that was the problem. Then they ran out of parts and production lines had to be stopped, stopped production lines = burning money. That lead to car manufacturers having to somehow make back the millions they lost after the pandemic, which lead to increased prices. Then problem #2 happened, economy stalled and their raised prices were too high. Not selling again and now they are stuck, lower prices to sell at near zero or low profit or hope that you can last long enough for the economy to bounce back.

[@Emotional_Support_Twink]

​@@UhOhUmmThis sounds like you just made it up.

[@VaxtArts]

@@Emotional_Support_Twinktbf I don’t work in the car trade but I bought a brand new BMW 2 series in 2021 so during the COVID times and they gave me nearly £8k off which was insane. You wouldn’t get even half that now so he could be right

[@thefrenchareharlequins2743]

@@Emotional_Support_Twink I mean, it's not completely unforeseeable how forcing people to not go to work is going to reduce the amount of production of goods, meaning there will be more demand to supply than otherwise and thus higher prices

[@IRVisionPrints]

It’s because cars are overpriced right now, I’m seeing 10 years old cars on 100k mikes for 10k, it’s ridiculous

[@gronki1]

Will not get any cheaper

[@talibong9518]

@@gronki1 They will, no one is paying 10k for a 10 year old car with 100k miles, I live next to a used car dealer and all the cars like that aren't selling and the price is being taken down every month. Anything under 10 years priced over 10k ain't moving, anything 10 to 15 years don't move until the sticker price goes under 7k, anything older than 15 years doesn't sell for more than 3k. There was a TEMPORARY surge in demand for small cars that are cheap to tax, insure and refuel, and that was taken advantage of by sellers. But suddenly everyone thinks their car is worth double what it actually is when they have no buyers at that price

[@coachingconfidant2785]

I got mine for 1.3K amazing condition

[@verzeda]

I got a corsa D for £1850 with 73k miles. Lovely car

[@backjarton01]

You’re absolutely right - Saw a 2013 530d touring with 178,000 miles for £9000 Offered him £3.5k - Explained that nobody is paying £9000 for a moon mileage 2003 estate in 2014, regardless of engine. Especially with partial service history 😂😂

[@volt8684]

Imagine how many scrappage cars could have been saved. We are throwaway society. My car is 17 yrs old serviced by myself and owned for 8 years. In my peer group I am the only one with an old car. I intend to keep it until I or it expires. Zero rust Citroen Berlingo petrol comfy quiet, practical and reliable. When I was young cars were tired at 60 k and expired at 100 k miles. There’s a Dutch channel on u tube featuring very ordinary cars with 300-1 million miles. To be fair Lee it’s always been heavy insurance the first year and I am 66. A lot more risk nowadays crime and traffic

[@Peterpanic-c3h]

The scrappage scheme was back in 2009, so the cars that were scrapped would have been at least ten years old by that point. These cars would be 25+ years old now, I doubt many would still be roadworthy. However, they sold tons and tons of Hyundai i10s at the time as I seem to recall they were £5,995 with the £2K scrappage discount. I bet lots of these cars are still going.

[@dcarbs2979]

@@Peterpanic-c3h Why would you doubt they are still roadworthy? Once they get over 15 years towards 25 is when any survivors start get appreciated as classic and looked after better than your typical 'old car' (10-15 years). From the stats I've read, many real classics (over 25 in 2009) were used in the scrappage scheme. I suspect many they were scrapped for are scrap themselves now.

[@matthewv4170]

I have a Citroen ds4 1.6 it's a workhorse

[@testingtimes7924]

Banning new petrol engined vehicles by 2030 is just insane. The country is on it's knees already, financially. There is no way the infrastructure is going to be there to support all these new electric vehicles. Motor manufacturers are being forced to produce electric cars that the majority do not want and probably won't be able to afford even if they did. All of this nonsense, so that some politicians can decieve the public about how virtuous they are. The madness continues.

[@reececollison5101]

No matter what they say, the 2030 deadline is just not going to happen

[@Ian-ei6ut]

Thought they'd pushed this back up to 2035 again to match European deadline

[@reececollison5101]

@@Ian-ei6ut even 2035 still won’t happen 😂

[@testingtimes7924]

@@Ian-ei6ut new "Laws" seem to change regularly as politicians try to save their political souls or push some agenda. Who knows what labour will do once in power?

[@RikkiWilson-r5n]

Manufacturers are turning away from Electric cars, what will the government do then🤔 Add in Electric cars are about to start paying road tax so won't be as cheap as they say they are. We need to push back on this madness, unfortunately not everyone will agree. Governed by people who have own agenda rather than supporting people who vote them (or as per last couple of PMs) don't vote them in😡😡

[@tonyhodgkinson4586]

The long term trend is fewer cars on the roads, those in power are playing the long game, trickle, trickle to eventually only wealthy will have their own car.

[@MrDirkles]

It's always about the long game

[@cr4yv3n]

it is all about control. Control your MOVEMENTS. You can't go far on a fucking bicycle. You can with a car. 15 minute prisons too errr i mean "cities"

[@mechaishida7588]

This is precisely it. Gradually phasing out fossil fuel cars is the indicator of the real intention; it has very little to do with net zero. Owning a car or even having g access to a car, will become gradually more impossible. Like you said, only the rich will be able to afford the luxury EV’s of 2030 onwards.

[@drillingig2368]

Just choose the wealth game, be a power player. Being for the people is for your own detriment.

[@AmazingDuckmeister]

Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if it weren't for the fact that public transport and other infrastructure is dire in this country.

[@charliecoco2115]

People are hanging onto their cars and not buying overpriced new, hence new car dealers are not getting any PX to pass to auction. Same thing is happening in USA.

[@ianmontgomery7534]

and Australia but we tend to hang on to cars longer as we don't have Englands rust problem. My car is a 1999 Ford and has no rust and i live in suburban Melbourne

[@MookMineola]

@@ianmontgomery7534 Melbourne's climate is identical to London, UK climate . Basically they both have a maritime climate with Melbourne a few degrees warmer in the summer, but with identical dew points and humidity .

[@ianmontgomery7534]

@@MookMineolaYes you are right but the main difference is that we don't have anywhere close that has salt on the road except if surf spray comes over the occasional road.

[@LynGriffiths70]

It's criminal that Car manufacturers can get away with making such shitty engines like the ecoboost, the puretech, also the Ingeniums which are letting go in so many Land Rovers at 5 yrs old leaving customers with huge bills. They should be forced to give a minimun lifespan of 10 yrs or 100,000 miles minimum.

[@VisorView]

Look at the designed to fail DCT and DSG's, Ecoboost, and all the rest. Electronics, DPF's, etc all fail eventually. Stricter MOT's, scrappage? Sub £500 and they are gone.

[@dartermark680]

Absolutely agree. Also, I think they should be forced into providing free vehicle software updates if needed, diagnostics and free replacement parts for obvious design flaw failures. Oh and be forced into designing vehicles so that owners themselves can easily replace basic parts like bulbs/batteries/drive belts etc just like it used to be.

[@ConorDoesItAll]

Agreed, but people keep buying them, thank god for companies like Mazda who are still making old school 2.0 naturally aspirated engines.

[@bermudarailway]

My Peugeot 205 diesel finally died at 278,000 miles.

[@Nick-io9uk]

Ive been looking for a tow car...probably end up with an antara - wanted a cheap Dacia, but despite being of the same age, same miles & half the price when new, there seems a lot of demand for people wanting cheap, uncomplicated low tax dacias. Not so much Vauxhalls, and Dacia Dusters/Logans are pricier than Antaras! Was briefly tempted to spend a bit more, get rid of daily car, & get an earlier Discovery Sport as sole vehicle, till I noticed half the ones in the auctions seemed to be selling with 'engine malfunction' & it sometimes seems more are on auction with copart (again, with engine malfunctions, no accident damages) than the regular auction sites!

[@tentacletester1861]

Live on the Wirral at 31 passed my test about 10 month ago because I’m a clown. Vw polo 2.5k insurance, Vauxhall corsa 2.5k, Ford fiesta 2.5k. Driving my mums t rok 3.3k. Got my Ford focus for 7k. My insurance was 1700 quid. How the bloody hell do they expect 18 year olds to turn into well rounded individuals if they’ve nothing to fecking work toward. Price them out of houses price them out of cars

[@tentacletester1861]

I don’t get why we’re making life impossible for them in there teens and twenties

[@bobshee]

All just symptoms of turning everyone back into highly dependant serfs. It's the new way ahead. 15 minute Cities Etc. Watch the movie "The hunger games". Very prophetic!! Glad I'm old

[@jungleboy1]

jeez? i passed my test at 19 and my first year insurance was £1.4k 1 litre hyundai i10. After 10 years full NCD it now cost me £300 for a sports car.

[@Mrmallet777]

Because I'm a clown 😂 could have been worse I just passed mines 6 months ago at 37 mostly due to heavy drinking

[@macky4074]

I passed my test in 2000 and bought an 11 year old (G reg) sierra sapphire classic 1.6, cost me £1600 a year to insure a car I bought for £175. Extortionate insurance premiums isn't a new phenomenon. Minimum wage was less than £4 an hour back then

[@bighes100]

Cos prices are still ridiculously high and don't reflect the current financial situation. The prices I've seen for 12yr old+ cars is total robbery!

[@markgt894]

The market is the market. The prices will stay as long as people are willing to pay them. Your personal financial situation may not reflect the winder one

[@austintomkewitz3981]

​@@markgt894 I'm willing to pay up for a Honda or Toyota they're actually not pieces of crap like everything else 😂

[@alecxpro2071]

I'm driving a BMW E39 from 2001 and it still looks and sounds better than all the new crap on the market . I'm keeping up with the maintenance and it has never given me any headaches

[@markpaul1154]

The amount of stock thats been held by major auction companies and car buying companies like cazzo and we buy any car. Thats where they all are, they are sitting on them and throttling the sales. Up goes the price if you control the flow.

[@reececollison5101]

Cheap small cars like Aygo’s and Peugeot 107’s do seem cheaper than last year now, maybe Cazoo going under has had an effect on it

[@Nick-io9uk]

I was hoping that the higher interest rates of the last few years would have meant dealers seem to be a little more enthusiastic about shifting them...some are held in stock literally for years. With interest rates at over 5% (presumably higher for this kind of trade) it surely cant be cheap to be sitting on tens or hundreds of thousands in stock just paying interest on it. Then again & sure most dealers milked all Sunaks covid bonanza for all its worth & so werent short of a bob or two.

[@simonh870]

The cheap cars are still there, it is just that people are no longer selling them at cheap prices. Instead we have a load of bangers that people want too much for.

[@bighes100]

Yep. Dealers charging at least double the value just cos it's had a good clean & 'service'. Still a sh!t box with issues.

[@philliplarson3623]

@@bighes100yeah sooo much of this happening. I’ve looked at tons of cars . They all have something wrong , British people Chopin them in because it has issues that need a bit of money spending. £4000 often needed for an older car past its prime , that usually needs cambelt service and or suspension bushes due to crap uk roads.

[@davidlewis4399]

I want 2K for my pristine 2.0 Petrol Ford Focus a dealer will wash it and flip for 3.5K

[@simonh870]

@@davidlewis4399 In a lot of cases you also have private sellers asking the same prices as a dealer.

[@MookMineola]

For Sale : BMW 520, 2002 , one owner . 406000 miles Silver. No service history but reliable . Asking £1,000,000 million quids .

[@edmundblackaddercoc8522]

'You will own nothing and be happy' he was right we will have to rent everything.

[@barrybarry6592]

In much of Catalonia people are well off and change cars after their life is done probably 20 years. Image is not an issue

[@lolitapitpong3826]

I was desperate to pass test when I was 17 but quickly realised it’s better to just spend your money on other stuff at that age.

[@joebryant5722]

Very wise decision. A life of expensive, stress.

[@samathanwataguan]

It definitely is still a good idea to pass your test at 17 and get it out the way while you have more time and less responsibility (unlike me who waited until 29!). You can worry about getting cars another year.

[@A-se2ur]

Nope disagree, get it done at your earliest convenience, pass it once and you’re set for life. You’re better looking at it than looking for it.

[@peaksaren4717]

The issue is most driving schools won't bother giving you lessons unless ​you have your own car for practice between lessons and for the test itself, driving schools are far too busy and don't want to waste time on giving people "more practice" in the school's car. @@A-se2ur

[@gamelias87]

3 years ago i paid £900 for a Merc A150 75k miles. MOT fail owner didn't bother to fix. As i do my own work,i got it fixed and MOT'ed. Sold it last month for £1995 after 3 years and 35k miles put on . Cheap cars are valuable and easy to repair.

[@johngregory5580]

So we're pricing our kids out of home ownership and now out of car ownership as well. On top of that they can't even travel freely around our closest neighbour. We really have done a number on them...

[@wokelefty]

Sounds about right, unfortunately.

[@siloPIRATE]

Why can’t they travel to their closest neighbour?

[@KeyBrosUK]

@@siloPIRATEthink he means EU

[@macky4074]

​@@siloPIRATEBrexit

[@mattylamb9194]

@@KeyBrosUK - no, I think he's talking about proposed neighbourhood zones

[@mdog2501]

I had a 2009 1.6 Mégane. Never missed a beat. Apparently the Honda Jazz can be reasonable to insure for younger drivers as not many young people own them, making it less risk (in terms of crashes/claims made against them).

[@snbala]

As a car trader myself, I am finding the cheap end of the car market which was once booming has slowed down, not sure why but I think the car market in general is still in recovery mode. It doesn’t help when people are made to be careful about their money due to increase costs in practically everything. It also doesn’t help when young car drivers have high driving lessons to pay and the insurance to boot. The cheap end of the cars which took a few days to sell are now lingering a few weeks with not much interest, waiting to see if this improves but just got to keep going.

[@Kennynwten]

There has been so vololtility since the pandemic

[@philliplarson3623]

The powers that be (globalists) don’t want the car market to recover! It’s in their grand plan of ultimate control.

[@davidlewis4399]

I could afford a new car but EV's are overpriced crap that depreciate and new cars they are taking the piss to offset the loss they make on their EV's. Also I want a car with buttons and none of this driver assist crap and tablets wedged in the dash. Going to keep my 14 year old Ford with a handbrake and buttons as long as economically viable.

[@robt2151]

@@davidlewis4399 I wanted a runabout for a couple of months - I bought a 12 yo Focus expecting to be its last owner. Ten years later my wife is still using it as her daily driver.

[@yeswaycommunications]

Been looking at getting a cheap runabout, but dealers round here seem to be asking £3000 for some ordinary 15+ year old low spec fiesta with 150,000 miles on the clock, and no service history mentioned. I'll pass.

[@Maddpunx]

I've sold 3 cars to new drivers recently, A Citigo, Aygo and ibiza, the common denominator is they are all really tidy and low milage, and all under 3k, the problem i have is finding them, currently have a New shape KA and a nice 1.4 Corsa but they are getting hard to find.

[@Kennynwten]

yes hard to find is an understatement

[@Kennynwten]

Are those new shape K A s OK MECHANICALLY?

[@Maddpunx]

@@Kennynwten Absolutely they use the 1.2 engine not the ecoboom and they don't rot like the old ka, based on the Fiat 500, well specced with aircon etc etc.

[@CharlieHarper-d4x]

Im planning on keeping my super low mileage 2010 punto 1.4 evo forever . Il spend whatever is needed to keep it going for the next 10 years.

[@lolitapitpong3826]

Same with my 320d, it’ll probably do 300k miles if I look after it

[@KeyBrosUK]

@@lolitapitpong3826it’ll do more than that we had one we used for work at 320k miles when we sold it it was still perfect, service it every 5k you’ll be golden

[@michaelc821]

I am doing the same with my Vauxhall Corsa VXR.

[@80s_kid.]

My son is 22, just passed his test 4 months ago, i bought him a 2012 Corsa for £2k, his insurance for it is £400 a Month, we live in Manchester. Crazy that the Insurance is costing him more than twice of the value of the car.

[@carukchannel]

Wow ! that's shocking, I know Manchester is expensive to insure a car but that's another level at 22 years old as well

[@chrishart8548]

So £4800 just for insurance then mine is £159 for the year on a 2litre automatic diesel mondeo titanium-x estate 2011

[@pavlospanteliadis6868]

The first car I bought when moved to the UK was a 08 clio for £500…my insurance was £1300..mental

[@bobshee]

Sadly he is insuring his risk of hitting a very expensive car.😮

[@johnny20510]

Corsa's get crashed a lot so the insurance is high. Buy a car that doesn't end up in a ditch as much for lower insurance

[@naheemhaneef123]

Love your knowledge and passion cars, your expertise on cars is second to none…

[@jlrguy2702]

Couldn't agree more, just got my daughter a 63-plate Nissan juke N-Tec Diesel, first car, 1 week after passing her test, 3k from a garage, but the amount of junk I had to look at was crazy, then the insurance was £3100 with a black box that's now stuck in the window. She got the Juke because she's done well, scholarship from school and then an apprenticeship in engineering, I said she could have the car she wanted rather than just a cheap car with cheap insurance, saying that I couldn't find insurance cheaper than £2400. She's happy at least, but a far cry from my older daughter who we got a car for £800 and insurance for £700, 7 years ago. I think in general, there's a squeeze to get more people off the road, get the cheaper car's off the road, increase the insurance costs = less people driving. Only thing is less people driving the less income the governments gets, the same with less people working.

[@KeyBrosUK]

My condolences to her for the juke😅

[@jlrguy2702]

@@KeyBrosUK knob lol Mrs already has one, has done for 3 years with no issue, I will agree before I drove one I always thought what an odd car, why would any one need one. But since owning one I think there pretty cool, drive well, we’ll equipped and reliable. So don’t need condolences save them for your own demise.

[@Sleeporacle]

Daughter gets a Juke and the son will probably get a bus pass....

[@robt2151]

As a teenager my first car was a Series 1 Land Rover - cost me 50 quid and the insurance was 50% more. I learnt to maintain it myself, as I have done with all my vehicles in the past 50+ years.

[@chrishart8548]

When was that 1960 ?

[@brianjohnson5789]

even police land rovers get stolen from outside police stations, they are a massive theft risk now, so a completely different ball game

[@jdb47games]

The problem is that modern cars don't lend themselves to home maintenance other than the simple stuff.

[@icks83]

Past 50+ years lol. Cars and insurance have significantly increased unfortunately. Car thefts, values and the push to EV is crippling people.

[@robt2151]

The main point of my comment was to show that insurance has always been disproportionate for young drivers. It's not a matter of damage to your vehicle but rather the damage that you could cause to someone else. With new vehicles in general and EVs in particular being so expensive to repair or replace the potential insurance liability has little relationship to the value of the policy vehicle. Incidentally, that 75 pounds for my first cover represented almost two months' pay so that might put today's prices into perspective.

[@Kiinell]

The cost of living crisis has forced me to hold onto my 08 plate car for 2 years longer than I would have. Fewer under 5k cars are reaching the market, as a lot of us cannot afford to PX and upgrade. I feel sorry for the young first time buyers.

[@twiz1084]

Hey Lee, followed you from day one and great to see how not only your KZbin channel has worked out but also your business. Great info as per. Cheers Gary. 👍

[@carukchannel]

Thanks gary appreciate it 👍👍

[@mrwindowcleaner1000]

hii lee I have a Vauxhall agila 1.2 94 bhp what do you think of them. I paid nearly £5000 ayear last April it only had 28000 now I've got 36000 miles on the clock thanks shaun

[@cliveprocter3698]

Autocar has done 2 articles on interesting older cars that are being scrapped because they are in the £400 to £735 annual VED. Most are not prob cars that new drivers would buy but there are 100,000s of these being scrapped and removed from the market and their potential owners being driven into the sort of car that new drivers would be buying. Friend recently was offered a really tidy LR Freelander Diesel Auto, he was very keen living in pennine Yorkshire hills. VED £710 made him decline the deal and I think the Freelander was then broken for parts.

[@Nick-io9uk]

Its cruel, all out of sync with emissions. of course no bearing to actual miles driven either I saw a 32,000 mile 2002 Omega on Autotrader last week for £1k. Tax on that, £710 a year. (is currently being flipped by someone & reappeared on gumtree for £2k) Unless you are a wealthy farmer/landowner who can store such a low mileage vehicle until its 40 years old, who'd buy such a car to use?

[@roboliver9980]

I reckon put the feelers out amongst friends and family that you’re looking to buy. You can then offer a better option to px for anyone going to a dealer anytime soon. Vehicle wise this ugly suv craze is literally killing off first car staples like fiestas etc. it’ll be about 15 years till my son wants a car and I wonder if he’ll even have the option.

[@argonautsuk]

Hello from Manchester. As a student back in the end of 90s I bought 500 to 1000 pounds cars. These are the cars I even drive now my late 40s. You can find low mileage vehicles for up to 1500 pounds. Stupid to buy a vehicle over 2000 pounds just to impress the girls.

[@craig2907]

Great video. Informative and insightful as a friend’s son’s first car (C1) is loosing power in third gear and is looking for a replacement. Also love your honesty. It’s a minefield for some of us and easy to buy into a nightmare. Just had to replace our lovely 13plate Note ntec+ after a VW transporter came charging down our very steep hill and wrote it off on the drive, all because the muppets didn’t put his handbrake on fully. Fortunately insurance paid out just £200 less than we originally paid and had it four years. Five weeks of hell looking for a replacement though. Your videos helped eliminate some quackery. Stay lucky.

[@joshwilliams0391]

I’m 33 and I think my age group was the last to get bangers aged 17. It just doesn’t happen anymore. There are some kids whose parents are well off and they get a new or nearly new car straight away but the days of kids paying for it all themselves are gone.

[@stewartbrown6869]

Great video when you put it like that and true you can see its killing the all motor trade with ins costs to cant go on this way killing peoples lively hoods .

[@johnhart6774]

Thank you very informative son 17 just about to start his driving lesson Oh and love your videos please keep them coming

[@milesfinch]

The government does not want people driving vehicles on the road. Looks at the facts, insurance through the roof, not repairing roads, car types disappearing and drying up, motorcycle prices through the roof.....it all points at wanting less people on the roads.

[@J1M1F]

The government doesn’t control insurance prices…when you adjust for inflation they’re not much higher than they were 15 years ago

[@sidsod1616]

Low emission zones, 20mph limits, low traffic neighbourhood zones, barely used bus and cycle lanes etc.

[@TrumanShow-im2ve]

You need to learn how things work fella. Government/Big Corporations/Media are all the same thing. All owned by the wall kissing psychopaths.

[@milesfinch]

@@J1M1F You keep believing that....;-)

[@ianf397]

@@milesfinch The insurance for my Smart car was £20 LOWER than last year !!

[@darrenwilson8042]

I scrapped a Picasso and two Scenics in that period - two out of the three were written off by minor body damage and one I just wanted rid of and in the Covid and post Covid times that was more attractive than meeting a wheezing coughing stranger to get just a couple of hundred quid as we were in the period of the unknown. I agree with what you are saying in that as the new ICE vehicle ban approaches if you are sat on a good petrol / diesel it will only appreciate in value. The ban applies to new sales not sale of fossil fuels and frankly if like me you get 50mpg out of a diesel car they would have to make fuel at the pump more expensive than gold to make a fifty grand EV seem a more sensible approach

[@riseandshine75]

Love this guys videos. Fascinating. Thanks

[@adamanthony7465]

C1 production ended. Fiesta ended. KA ended so where are the cars going to come from in the budget market?

[@reececollison5101]

In ten years or so there won’t be any budget cars for sale, and young drivers probably won’t be able to get insured on anything, not to sound conspiratorial but perhaps it’s part of a plan to try and phase out driving for people

[@adamjones9988]

Research Agenda 2030...that's the plan there will be no budget car market.

[@Spadunked]

I'm still running around in an old 2004 Ford Fiesta 1.4 Duratec. Not too many miles on the clock and a great full service history. I've owned it for the last 5 years. Can't really justify getting rid of it because it's been so good to me. I definitely wouldn't want to be shopping in todays market for a 'cheap runaround'. If anybody is looking, I'd say don't be put off by an older car as long as you can have a good look at it and make sure it's not got corrosion and rust issues.

[@carukchannel]

Stick with it, it owes you nothing its basically now pay as you go 👍😁

[@Spadunked]

@@carukchannel That's the way I look at it. Yes, I have to spend a few quid on it here and there but it's still only a fraction of what people in newer cars are losing every year to depreciation. Good video!

[@douglastalbot8031]

Had one of these about 15 years ago, 04 plate 1.4 Zetec five door in Pather black. Engines are bullet proof but watch out for cam cover drains getting blocked as my spark plugs corroded so bad they looked like they had done a 100,000 miles at 12 months old Lol. Great fun changing the air filter ( about 20 screws to split the airbox ). 🤣🤣🤣

[@FatHead1979]

@@Spadunked I'm doing the same with my MK2 Focus 1.8 TDCi, spend roughly £300 a year on servicing and bits and bobs. The next big bill will kill it but in the meantime I've got a car that's great to drive and costs me less over a year in maintenance than a single finance payment on something newer and 'nicer'.

[@Spadunked]

@@douglastalbot8031 Haha, I have actually had issues with my plugs. Apparently it's a common fault for the window washer jet on the bonnet to let rain water leak into the engine bay and into the plugs. Ended up sticking some sealant around it, easy fix!

[@rascal1956]

Top video, so much useful information. Thanks for the insight.

[@carukchannel]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@DanielGallivan-qt3fz]

It is expensive Lee but it was no different when I first passed 20 years ago. I had a £1500 clio that was £1600 to insure (third party with my dad as first driver). Unfortunately they just have to suck it up for first year and it soon comes down in years 2 & 3. Had someone not buy a very good Kia Rio from me recently because the insurance was 3k.

[@carukchannel]

Insurance is the killer your spot on, to many deals are lost to heavy insurance premiums for younger drivers

[@saxon-mt5by]

Yes, nothing changes. My first car (60 years ago!) was a £20 Austin Seven - insurance for my first year was £25!

[@dan44zzt231]

Yep my first car back in 2003 was a Corsa B 1.2 and that was £2300 to insure. Just gotta get through the first year problem free and it'll half the following and half again the year after.

[@DanielGallivan-qt3fz]

@@dan44zzt231 and rightly so if we're all honest. Pretty sure I redlined every gear for at least the first 6 months 🙈

[@wokelefty]

​@@DanielGallivan-qt3fzdidn't we just 😂

[@HA05GER]

When i passed my first car was 250quid back in 2010 and everyone fronted their insurance. All my mates including myself were on their mums insurance. Companies have really cracked down on this now. So young drivers dont have a choice. If insurers could afford to do it cheaper this way then obviously they are price gouging people.

[@liamegan4303]

Hi Lee. It has to be said, but you're a wealth of information mate. Actually getting any of those cars over here in Ireland is impossible, lol. Wicked video again, Lee. 💯👏👏🇮🇪

[@robd1339]

To your list I would add the picanto. Had 3 from 2011 to 2017 all of which have been great. Solidly built and very reliable. Also good on fuel and insurance.

[@KeyBrosUK]

Why 3?😂

[@geoffreyrawlings9736]

Loads of great information. THANKS

[@peterstanford9720]

Another excellent summary of the market......thanks !

[@thelikesofus324]

This is exactly my experience, trying to find a decent 1st car for my 19yo Son to buy.

[@leegorman8322]

Mazda 2

[@chrishart8548]

​@@leegorman8322or a fiesta basically the same think

[@volt8684]

I bought my daughter newer shape 2010 a1.0 yaris 11 yrs ago 60 mpg cruise at 70 and 100% reliable. Wasn’t on hers or my radar but 35 tax and cheap insurance. Done 80 k in it since she had it now emigrated to Oz and has bought one there. No mate envy but bloody good cars. 4 new tyres lasted 40 k after rotation incredible functional car

[@tiguanman1170]

My daughter has a 1.4 Fiesta Zetec. The insurance is lower for the 1.4 than the 1.25 and the 5 door insurance is lower than the 3 door. She's had it nearly two years and the trade value on the insurance has doubled and it would cost much more now than what we paid for it.

[@TheWebstaff]

Buy them an RC car and a push bike.

[@davidgavin7280]

We were 1 of the buyers he is talking about. Looking for a Fiesta around £4K- £4.5K for my 18 year old lad. The amount of people trying to shift utter shit boxes at the £4K mark was an eye opener. We did find a mint low miler in the end so there are still some diamonds out there amongst the rough.

[@davidcheshire1074]

Spot on. as a mechanic conpletly with you 100%

[@GeoffDecorator]

As a Decorator it's the rule you never pay more than two weeks wages for a car ,first car 42 years ago was a mk3 Cortina for 80 quid ! The car I'm on today I bought 3 years ago a mk6 fiesta cost £1400 so allowing for inflation it's about the same .Been searching around the car sites out of curiosity recently and not much going for less than 1500 today ,no auctions left either near me in Bolton so a bit of a problem for anybody looking for a cheap runner.

[@jdb47games]

£80 42 years ago would equate to about £230 three years ago, not £1400!

[@chiefrocka8604]

Copart pal

[@chiefrocka8604]

Gamble on a grand worth Or there’s G3 now a auction up your way ish

[@wokelefty]

​@@jdb47games wages have risen much more than 287% in 40 odd years.

[@Aircooledflat4bug]

The early mk2 Jazz 2008-15 (auto gearbox models), in the UK only, came with the awful I shift (semi auto) instead of the CVT auto. It was rubbish and not as reliable as the CVT. Honda switched back to the CVT about a year later. Generally they are super reliable, but like all japanese cars they do like to rust.

[@davidmarshall5596]

Bang on about the no 1, have a 63 plate C1 1 litre no tax, cheap insurance, absolutely brilliant to drive,simple cheap motoring, if anyone out there is looking at these C1,107,Aygo, i DEFINITELY RECOMMEND 👍

[@alcorfield1157]

Due to the extortionate prices of newer cars, plus EV range anxiety am hanging onto my 8 year old VW Golf which has 114k on the clock, never let me down and still drives like new.

[@Darkelf7201]

Great and honest reviews there Lee. It's always best to go to someone who knows what they're talking about......Experience is the key :)

[@carukchannel]

Thanks 👍

[@martintetlow8657]

As small cars cease to be sold due to the push to SUV that won’t help either.

[@reececollison5101]

It’s only gonna get 10x worse in the coming years, in 10 years time there’ll be hardly anything young drivers can get insured on when all the small cars have disappeared

[@johnchincotta1qwdb15]

Hi Lee,a very informative video as usual.

[@MTLoveridge]

My 13 Clio 4 0.9 has been solid as a rock. Bought with a timing chain change and was serviced regularly, 124K miles. Hasn't missed a beat.

[@pedro7o7u]

This is really interesting, thank you.

[@oww6467]

I agree withEverything you said. Great advice

[@carukchannel]

Thanks

[@SP-gl4ul]

Glad you mentioned the Hyundai i10 at the end. I bought the i10 SE as my first time car at 4.8k£ before Covid, and I was looking to sell it or part exchange it for a hybrid car as my work asks me to commute more. The trade in value was 1.9k£ even though they resell the exact same model at 7k£! So yeah they won't be having my car any time soon (and I feel sorry for the First time buyers that may want it). Even the lower running costs of a hybrid doesn't justify exchanging due to the absurd price right now for getting a more efficient car. There's a reason why I still see them a lot in my town even though they've been discontinued.

[@Chris12211]

Insurance was expensive back when I passed in the early 2000’s. Had a £800 mk4 Ford Escort and that was £1500 third party fire and theft to insure.

[@ChrisAyres-do4fz]

Yeah even after i got over 20 years old and 3 years of having a licence i had to pay £170 a month to insure a crap 1.1 Metro lol

[@cccenturion4480]

I've got a cheap car. I won't be selling it anytime soon as it's reliable and cheap to run. Mainly because if I sold it, what would I replace it with? 2011 Suzuki Alto, not pretty and zero street cred, but group 4 insurance, £20 tax, 55+mpg.

[@iainmacks]

Brilliant review and you have got it spot on with the Aygo, C1, and 108. Another point worth mentioning is these are great cars for the older driver re insurance costs which insurance companies see as a way to fleece Grandad.

[@S-Ltd1000]

I paid over £4k for a 2009 1.4 Corsa automatic last year. Was in good nick though, one owner with a full history and low mileage. My daughter is 18 and passed last December. Insurance down here in Devon is £1260 for the year.

[@Nick-io9uk]

My work around (for a small van) was buy a wheelchair adapted vehicle. They dont seem to be popular with the trades as they dont have a flat floor (lowered in middle) and if they are privately owned (ie, not NHS) invariably have very very low mileage. I got a 10 year old one with less than 20,000 miles on it for about 30% less than a normal van variant with three-four times that mileage. Sadly now I need a towbar & the ramp prevents me from fitting one.

[@markharnett9389]

18 months ago bought my son a 2013 Suzuki Swift 1.2. Have been really impressed. Nice drive, good mpg, cheap tax, surprisingly good for insurance and have had no mechanical issues.

[@NBAg60]

very interesting, the Toyota Aygo Mk 2 was only offered with the 1 litre engine unlike the 1.2 option in the Citroen and peugeot variants. I guess Toyota anticipated the belt-in-oil issues would arise!

[@mrthomas394]

Just watched a guy on here picking up a new ford transit van custom.... That cost an eye watering 50k. We buy any car have offered me £6800 for mine but the same spec car with the same mileage etc on a forecourt is £10995. Car prices are insane

[@tomoreilly9932]

Think there's a lot of uncertainty in the new car market,bans, no bans, extended bans, everyone is confused, so I think people will hold on to older cars until they know for sure what future car ownership will look like.

[@MrGrtx]

great video lee i got my daughter and granddaughter both a c1 mk2 1.0 they are great little cars both are cat s had all front end parts stolen off them so written off but lot cheaper to buy.Thanks

[@benmarley3086]

I’m 19 and I paid £1200 for a mk2 Clio back in 2023. Insurance was £2000 for a year, I’ve had the car for a year and then bought a mk1 mx5 for £2700, insurance was £1300 for the year. Not too bad considering the horror stories I heard. And the mx5 is tons of fun

[@dmc9487]

Maybe wrong but I believe Toyota didn't entertain the 1.2 engine in the Aygo. Just the 1.0. Interesting video. Would of never of thought that the Megane & the Note would be on that list. Great content, thanks for the videos.

[@reececollison5101]

Yup you’re absolutely right. When Toyota/Peugeot/Citroen bought out the second gen Aygo/108/C1 in 2014 Toyota refused to put that 1.2 puretech in the Toyota’s. Says it all really, avoid the early 1.2s like the plague, they’re utter garbage

[@kyleblackband2495]

Basically dealers caused the problem, as you said buying the ideal cars a couple years ago and just scrapping them instead of selling in the name of profits pulling them apart purely to make an extra £200. Dealers singlehandedly are the prime reason for the secondhand car market falling to pieces over charging for the most basic cars that could be picked up for a fraction of the price privately, scrapping the ideal first cars in the name of profit creating an overwhelming demand for used cars in which the prices of these said cars increased I feel sorry for the people who have just got there licence and are now having to pay out there arse for the most basic of cars and its all thanks to you guys the dealers, breakers, Back street traders

[@AB-qo2xq]

I’m 35 and I’m struggling in my Ford Fusion 2003. I can’t even contemplate an electric car

[@MrRedfreds]

Great informative video thanks. You should do a video regarding vans, best-junk. Thanks.

[@ahah1785]

older pre 2008 hyumdai crdi engines are great - camchain and no DPF installed. Usually driven by older peiple with low mileage. Getz matrix i30 i10 etc...

[@at0micsheep]

Just bought a C1 today. But it was like finding a rare gem. So few options here especially through dealerships who only sell £5000+ here. Insurance is a killer too, £7000 per year for an old Punto, £5000 for a Fiesta 1.0l .

[@FatHead1979]

Jesus Christ, for insurance to be that bad, where do you live, inner city Bradford? (or Birmingham)

[@stuartX11]

So nothing has changed. Myself and all of my friends from when I was seventeen, forty odd years ago, could not afford to buy or insure a car either.

[@wyllburling5124]

Not sure if what you said about the ecoboost is true. I do hate the wet cambelt but after becoming a ford tech, I've realised that the reality is that if service schedules are stuck to, problems with the engines themselves don't usually happen. Ive not seen one in 2 years working at a ford dealer.

[@desdicadoric]

I’ve noticed that, I’ve always bought a ten year old car every couple of years for maybe 1500. Until I got my Celica 5 years ago for 1350, it would be impossible to do now

[@koolzdude]

Same here in Australia, no more affordable brand new car under AU$20000 or £10000, insurance is also expensive and petrol is only slightly cheaper here, around £1.00 per litre base on the exchange rate.

[@talibong9518]

That's a fair bit cheaper for petrol, but considering the size of Australia compared to the UK and how much more spread out it is over there you probably end up spending the same.

[@ghost70]

love my 2011 1.4l Vtec Jazz last of the good shape. On 120k and original everything other than 1 failed brake calliper.

[@QBALL-77]

I pretty much agree with you. It’s almost the exact same advice I give..... except Peugeot 208 Diesel.

[@reececollison5101]

In 2017 I bought a 9.5 year old 57-reg Peugeot 107 with just 46k miles for £2200. Today a 9.5 year old car is a 64-reg vehicle, you’re looking at something like £4,500 minimum for a Peugeot 107 with that mileage now!

[@dietznutz1]

I got my 2014 fiat panda with 60k for 2650 in 2022

[@George-yh7or]

I’ve got a hdi peugeot and it’s brilliant for reliability

[@lucipan01]

For me. I'm on my 2nd car - I brought a 2015 Seat Mii for 4k. but if i wanted to buy a new car that is of same category. There simply is a lack of manufacturers making cars in this market

[@Cotictimmy]

I just bought a five grand diesel C-Max. The dealer gave me £300 for my old 2007 C-Max (Which had 110,000 miles and was running sweetly.) I could have sold it as a runner but simply part exchanging saved me lots of hassle. I will check after August to see if it has had its MOT renewed or been scrapped.

[@dunnockdan]

Bought a 2008 Vectra 1.8 petrol SRi, 3 years ago (saved it from scrap from a dealer, stuck around the back, dents all over it and it was looking very sorry for itself) for £1000. Stuck a cambelt on it and a pump, and a wheel bearing and its done 40,000 miles since. We live in such a throw away culture its sickening in all honesty, will keep this until it decides to depart, then look at a Insignia.... petrol of course.

[@carukchannel]

Cheap motoring 👍

[@martingaunt599]

Fantastic Now what about a top 10 Automatics. Or would it be the same these days. I loved my French cars but the Auto gear box;s were bad. The best auto box was an Astra 2006. It is still in the family and on the road. I had it for 7 years until early this month about 130K on the clock.

[@jamespn]

If I lived near honest dealers like you I’d gladly pay asking price for a sorted car with a fresh MOT and trade it back In 2 to 3 years.

[@courts6969]

I really think there needs to be a cap on insurance. Prices are too high.

[@matthewjenkins1161]

The emission zones like London's ULEZ and another dozen towns and cities around the UK, has decimated the market for cheap cars. Those living in affected areas scrapped many great cars, just because they were pre-2016 diesels. Then they looked across the UK and hoovered up compliant petrol cars. Remember for a decade or so prior to dieselgate, the majority of new cars sold were diesel.

[@Mariazellerbahn]

Failure rate on MOT's after 2 years ov Covid was high, yet old rusty bangers (known as classics) are exempt.

[@Peterpanic-c3h]

Very timely video as my daughter is 17 in two months time and I am starting to look at cars. As you say, insurance is the killer, I am looking at between £2K and £3K fir insurance for a leafy Surrey postcode. Top of the current list is the Hyundai i10/ Kia Picanto as these seem to be the cheapest for insurance. I did consider the VW UP/Skoda Citigo/Seat Mii but I am seeing lots of early cars with rust around the filler cap like the old Ford KAs. I like Renaults so the Clio is another contender, but the insurance seems to be higher than the i10/Picanto. As you say, the 1.2 is an old, reliable engine, I am steering away from the 0.9 TCE. I was also considering the Dacia Sandero, but again the 0.9 TCE is putting me off. Would love the later 2013 on Clio as these still look really modern, but they are just out of budget compared to the previous model. I think avoiding anything older with a 3 cylinder engine is the key.

[@solmariuce5303]

Nothing wrong with the 0.9 TCe, it's been tried and true already. The 1.2 aspirated (in Dacias at least) is more troublesome than the 0.9 TCe

[@ArdGeal]

I have got my mums Hyundai i10, 64 plate Mk2, it's been pretty good, easy to work on and reliable, decent on fuel and relatively nippy for a 1 litre....

[@ArdGeal]

* she surrendered her licence at 79...wise move lol

[@safdarrizvi9885]

I was at the budget car auction of Aston Barclay Wakefield on Wednesday and what should be cheap cars were going for more than they normally do.Also the cars going through looked rough.Disappointing as i was looking for a small car for myself.

[@GrahamTWC]

Honda Jazz…I recommended one to my dad, who was 80 at the time, he knocked it back, describing it as “an old man’s car” He ended up with a Corsa…1.4 SRI, because he wanted lowered suspension and a body kit 🤣🤣

[@tardeliesmagic]

Great information,thanks.

[@uclearwhale]

dunno where you are but around me the second hand car market seems to have had the arse drop out of it, got a 14 year old golf estate in good nick and can't shift it for hell or high water at 2k

[@88Xlmk]

In my home country the used car market is completely out of wack. 2010-2012 Dacia Duster with over 200k km basic trim(no A/C even) goes for more than half the price of new Dacia Logan. Used 12 year old Skoda's with 180 to 200k km go for almost half the price of brand new top trim Octavia. In 2019 I bought Dacia Sandero 1.4 LPG(very anemic car, but very reliable) that cost me 2k Euro, now after 50k km extra, 5 years and being hit at least a dozen times when parked(had to change the door after a VW Polo hit it), covered in scratches, etc. and last week I was offered 3k Euro for it...

[@mrree5409]

You missed the superb Suzuki Swift - great to look at - amazingly reliable ... just not so mainstream.