Owner's $32K into this '88 Alfa Romeo Scam Car! No Regrets!

[@lotusespritdecorps]

This is actually my second Milano and my 4th Alfa. I had a red 164 Q I sold on BaT back in 2016.

[@tiagobelo4965]

you've got great taste mate

[@paulbugoni2846]

yes he does!@@tiagobelo4965

[@MyWillypilly]

I liked the look of these. I've only seen a couple in the flesh.

[@eelcoengelaar798]

Thank you for putting this amazing car back on the road again! I have owned two 164 12-valve v6's myself as well, amazing cars. And a 75 (Milano) Twin-Spark. Currently I'm on my second 75 3.0 v6. Love them and can't imagine a life without a 75 :)

[@mikefleissner4415]

Kickass

[@pulaski1]

I used to have an '89 Alfa 164 (this was not in the US). I owned it from '98 to 2001, and until recently (20 years later), it was the nicest car I ever owned. I regretted selling it from the moment the new owner drove it away.

[@cmartin_ok]

Sympathies. If you got a good 164, it was worth holding on to

[@pulaski1]

@@cmartin_ok It was nice - 3.0l V6, 12-valve, 193hp (not the 24-valve engine that was imported into the US for '92 and '93), and with a manual transmission, because I was in the UK, and putting an auto box behind that engine would have been criminal! 😀

[@Notfiveo0]

I had a 60 Alfa, the frame was filled with spray foam to fill in the rust holes. 🤣😂🤣😂

[@pulaski1]

@@Notfiveo0 Mine was galvanized, and the _only_ rust was where a wheel arch had been scraped and repaired.

[@AnnatarTheMaia]

I really wanted to buy a 2012 Alfa Romeo 159 JTDM Sportwagon. It had a manual, it was gorgeous, always had my eye on them. Took it for a test drive; that diesel drove like a dream, it was powerful, quiet, super smooth. The manual transmission - super smooth. I come back to the dealership, pop the hood, and start inspecting the engine; and then I saw that it was leaking oil. The engine only had 89,000 km! I walked away from that deal. Gorgeous cars, but it wasn't meant to be. I don't buy anything which leaks, and a diesel engine should have barely started to break in at 89,000 km, let alone leak!

[@perryjwill]

I have $50K in a GTV6 that I brought back to top level. These cars are labors of love that you have to know you will never get your money back. There is only one way to do it...the right way, so glad to see Bill treat this Milano properly!

[@Grayhook1]

A friend of mine had a GTV6 who upon discovering the lack of parts availability, bought a Milano (I believe) as a parts car. Turned out to be well worth it. He did all the work on it himself and when he found out getting a crankshaft from Italy cost more than the parts car (which had the same engine), he just made more room for the parts car. I’m sure Bill enjoys the Milano and I understand his attachment.

[@charlesbridgford254]

The headlights for these things were unavailable from the dealer like 2 years after the end of production. What a mess.

[@marklawton5753]

I owned Alfa Romeo 75 (Milano) 1988 here in the UK, what an astounding car. I loved every minute of ownership. Yes it had its problems a steering rack that sheared coming down a parking lot ramp and central propshaft donut that gave out under hard acceleration not to mention brake rotors and calipers all uber expensive. But with every drive you forgive it and fall in love all over again. My car had the 3.0 V6 busso a fantastic engine and the handling is just something else. Mine was taken out by a bus that did not see the closed lane in front of it until the last minute and took the side off of my car. I would have another in a heartbeat the problem ! finding one. "Bill" im so jealous and it's worth every penny you have spent on it.

[@davidsherrick898]

I have had 17 Alfa Romeo's. I currently have a 1988 Milano Gold Automatic!! Yes it runs and drives. It needs brakes! I hope i don't spend $$$ that much on repairs! Beautiful example, great video!

[@johnjanota7724]

wizard is absolutely correct on assessing older cars. i recently purchased a 1996 Rolls Royce with 21000 actual miles on it. beautiful car. no scratches and interior like new. i already have $7500 in the car and i approximate another $7500 to spend getting it being "as new" as it looks. making old cars like new can happen. frame off restos happen all the time. but not for the faint of heart nor faint of pocket book. better know EXACTLY what you are getting into before you pull the trigger. when you showed the money he spent i came up in my head with around $16000 grand when the list was scrolling. i may be off. but buying the car, taxes, uber rides are not costs of getting the car going. still a lot of money but not nearly $32000.

[@marial8235]

At the end you have a Rolls. This guy has an Alfa and one of the not so desirable models.

[@simonbone]

@@marial8235 It's what the owner wanted and as the Wizard says, he isn't bothered by the money, even if it ends up possibly being somewhat more than the value of the fully restored car. It may not be a Rolls but it has rarity value, in the US at least.

[@doraexplora9046]

The only thing more expensive than a car restoration is a boat restoration. Restoring an old boat costs almost x5 more than a car resto and I've done two boat resto's and three car resto's.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

You never just “cruise” in an old Italian car...

[@JeepCherokeeful]

You know what’s cheap to get on the road? A 30 year old American vehicle

[@MarcoMenozziPro]

Anyone who has driven a car with a v6 Busso engine knows that this is a priceless experience.

[@artoodiitoo]

It has a price tho, very high :D (maintenance) I had a GTV with the 24V 3.0 V6

[@MarcoMenozziPro]

@@artoodiitoo I agree, and maintenance is very important in Italian cars. Yes it is expensive but when compared to German cars of similar performance, it is not.

[@alfa7561]

Come on. 32k - 12 K Purchase - 2k wheels and tires is arround 8k for a more or less sorted car. Thats not too bad if you outsource the majority of the work. And the prices for the parts seem a little high in the US. Cheaper over here. These Milanos/ 75s are really no space shuttles and actually pretty reliable if treated correctly. I own 2 of these, a V6 and a TwinSpark.

[@autosnob]

I've owned a Milano Verde since 2014 and it averages about $1,200 / year in maintenance, repair and consumables and I have since accumulated 20K miles since purchase. It's not unreliable - far from it, it's never left me stranded - it's just that you're dealing with a 30+ year old car that's going to have needs. Show me a classic that doesn't cost AT LEAST $1K / year to keep and I will say bullshit. Milanos are incredibly underrated and just fantastic to drive. I would happily increase my annual budget 3 fold to keep mine on the road.

[@AnnatarTheMaia]

I drive a 2004 mazda6 diesel wagon, first owner, and it costs me around 1,300 bucks per year in maintenance, so yeah, you're spot on. The upside of that is that I've cruised in it all over Europe and it's never, ever left me stranded, not even when it had a check engine light because of the clogged up EGR. Drove it 3,000 km that Summer; it just took it. I maintain the hell out of that car, and it still goes 220 km/h like the first day I drove her.

[@mihaisirbu1]

Classic that needs under 1k? Golf 1-3! (I am talking about Europe). Especially the diesels

[@Roberto-de8xv]

You're an outlier those are not reliable vehicles for most owners.

[@mihaisirbu1]

@@Roberto-de8xv elaborate why Golfs are not reliable. Mine has 270k km, zero oil consumption (on a 1.4 8v 54hp TBI engine), I changed parts worth of 2500-3000e because they were old and I did it preventively, any car that reaches this age and mileage needs a bit of love. It was stupidly easy to work on and for that sum I changed everything (yes I went overkill) except for the fuel pump, blower motor and alternator. Even if I decided not to do anything but oil and filters it would still run although badly since the suspension was too soft and beat and the clutch had max 20k km left. The sum of 3000-3500e (500 were the wheels, that was not mandatory that's why above I said lower) during a period of 4 years of ownership doesn't sound bad, under 1k per year but now for the next 5 years I'll change the fluids, 1-2 bushings when they crack so its gonna be even lower since its sorted. Ah also you in the US always got far worse built VWs than eurospec, that's why they are bad in your opinion

[@David-lr2vi]

Driving only 2000 miles a year probably has a lot to do with why you perceive it to be reliable. It doesn’t get much chance to play up if you’re barely driving it.

[@Barbarapape]

Having only ever owned on Alfa Romeo in my life that was similar to this one in that despite a full service history, it had never seen a spanner. So i know how it feels to be scammed! I was told by an independant Alfa expert that the one thing that these cars can't tollerate is neglected servicing, i found out the expensive way!

[@PSB-900]

In 1985 I began a 35 year relationship with the Saab brand. Before purchasing my first one of four that I owned, I searched to find an auto shop that could work on them. I did find an independent Saab specialist practically in my back yard. For all those years we had a great relationship because I knew they were professional, trustworthy and the prices were fair for work done. Nice video Wizard!

[@lando0861]

In 2021 I really fell in love with the Saab brand aswell and haven’t been the same since 😅

[@adrianotero7963]

Had a similar experience with a 76 EMS....dad had one when I was a kid.....finally found one .....unfortunately for me....the Saab dealer close to me was only good at repairing modern Saabs and were no help at all.....

[@lando0861]

@@adrianotero7963 it started back in 2011 when my dad had a rental 9-3 2.0t and I found out later on that we had a Saab dealer because I was a toddler when he rented it and haven’t been the same since haha

[@PSB-900]

Shame, my shop even worked on two-stroke ones.@@adrianotero7963

[@donswier]

Clutch in front of engine. Timing belt at the back of engine. Ignition switch on floor. At least they can't be called 'copycats'☺️

[@lgude]

Just a side note from Australia needing to replace the headliner. I found a local service here in Perth that came to me with 2 guys and big van with everything needed including a compressor to run the glue spray gun. They stripped it out in about 5 minutes and the new one installed in an hour. I opted for black to contrast with the grey visors and other trim. It cost A$350- a bit over US$ 200. So this is probably an example of a super efficient business that sometimes crops up.

[@nikolanikola8543]

My father bought Alfa just like this one shortly before I was born, I have so many beautiful childhood memories in this car, I just love it!

[@johngaither9263]

I knew an independent Alfa mechanic years ago in Oklahoma City. C.H. was the only factory trained Alfa fuel injection technician between the Rockies and Appalachian Mountains for a long time. He could really make them sing mechanically. He could do everything on them and built the first VW trike I ever saw.

[@PaulAlexander-v6h]

Good information. Years ago I looked ay buying a Mercedes SL55 circa 2004. Did a pre purchase inspection. Ended up being at same independent Mercedes specialist that the vendor used. Most of the issues had already been advised to him but he chose to ignore them. Told me he disagreed with their opinion, suffice to say I walked away form that deal. Always do a Pre Purchase Inspection, think it cost me like $150 which was nothing compare to purchase price. People lie and just want to sell stuff with issues. Car wizard is on the money here.

[@giovannibez9509]

One of these, in really good condition, is between 35-40k euro here in Italy. 32k dollars is very expensive but it's not that bad.

[@godchi1dvonsteuben770]

Yeah, but you factor in the initial 12k, now it's $44,000, plus Wizard says it's not done yet... and it's going to break again in just a few thousand miles after complete. It really IS that bad...

[@stamkaly]

@@godchi1dvonsteuben770 initial 12k is included in the 32k...

[@kallekas8551]

Had one…1990 Twin Spark. I miss it…

[@micheskillz]

@@godchi1dvonsteuben770 32k is with the 12k of the car included. For that price of the car, one should not expect everything working perfectly, so its not that bad at all.

[@davidturgeon2087]

@@godchi1dvonsteuben770 And you would know.

[@71ala]

Writing from Switzerland: this was a good market for the 3.0 V6 back in the day, so there are quite a lot for sale. Prices vary wildly from the low teens up to 50,000 dollars for fully restored cars with documented evidence of all the work done. This video explains why they can cost so much - and it may be worth it rather than going for a low-end car and “hoping”’it will be ok

[@jeffwoods9816]

I have an '82 Chevy S10 that my Dad bought me to drive to college in 1994. I drove it to college, then my brother drove it to college. It got passed some more around the family. Then sat for 15 years until I got it back. I've rebuilt the transmission and been working on other items. A little money into it but I've enjoyed working on it and driving it again. ❤

[@annahopp]

$250 for a serious pre-purchase inspection is a steal.

[@oldrrocr]

only problem I've had is that the inspector came back and said "Don't buy this car." then I'm out $300 and have to keep looking Join the car club first, THEN start looking.

[@SkaiiV]

@@oldrrocr weird. normally they wont tell you whether or not you should buy it.

[@motleydude73]

Considering all they're doing is running their eyes over things, checking fluid levels, jemmy barring ball joints, $250 is a rip. We just charge our normal charge out rate which is half that. Takes 30 minutes.

[@Roberto-de8xv]

Are private parties going to let a stranger take their vehicle get inspected?

[@motleydude73]

@@Roberto-de8xv Most have no problems with it if it helps secure a sale. Only a dodgy seller would refuse it.

[@LilYeshua]

Years ago I purchased a used RX7 which unknown to me at the time had combustion gases leaking into the coolant system. I realized that there was an issue when the the top radiator hose would swell up from the combustion gas leaking into it. Someone had drilled a hole in the radiator cap shaft and inserted a bolt into it to keep the radiator from blowing out coolant. I took it back to the used car dealer I bought the RX 7 from and traded it for a different car at no extra expense.

[@helmuthhaass3631]

I live in Tasmania and have owned at least a dozen Alfas since 1977, including a V8 Montreal, several 33s, an Alfetta, a GTV, a couple of Alfa Sprints and five Alfa 75s with 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0 liter engines. These 3ltr 75s are becoming very collectible and are a delight to drive The 2ltr Twin Sparks are the niftiest (easiest handling) but the 2.5 and 3.0 liter V6 engines have the sweetest sound. My Alfa 75s have all been reliable and have not given me grief. These days 3ltr Alfa Milanos or Americas are hard to find in Australia in good condition. They're not cheap either..A$30.000 (US $20K is not uncommon. I totally share your client's enthusiasm for the Alfa 75 and wish him many enjoyable trips in his America.

[@davidturgeon2087]

Ah, the Montreal! What a stunning car, and such a rare one.

[@EdwardJamesCrockford]

Coolest car I ever owned - I had a dark blue 75 (2.0 Twin Spark) 30 years ago. Funnily enough, I paid the same amount back then, and the A/C had also self-destructed. I remember getring it fixed all the time, but I still loved that car - great engine, huge character and beautiful looks, at least in my eyes. Well done Bill and Wizard!

[@davewitthaus1445]

I can relate. I bought a Milano in 1988. Although it was a 2.5, and I’ve had many, many cars after I sold it in 1994, it is the car I miss the most. Kudos to the owner for spending the money to keep it alive.

[@jameslewis8227]

I owned and drove the 2.0 Twin Spark version of that car for about three years back in the ‘90s (in Italy, where it’s called the model 75). Everything about it was awesome, except the FIAT (Fix It Again Tony) electrics, which still were relatively reliable. That said, due to its great suspension and drivetrain, it was a very satisfying car to drive.

[@izno73]

what do you mean by "Fiat"-electrics? There´s nothing "fiat" in it. The injected 75 come with Bosch injection and parts.

[@jameslewis8227]

@@izno73 What I mean is the choice of components made by industrial engineers who work for the FIAT group, and by electrics, I mean wiring harnesses, lighting fixtures, relays, etc.. The Bosch components you mention are the electronics systems, not the electrical systems.

[@eelcoengelaar798]

​@@jameslewis8227the 75 was developed before Fiat took over Alfa Romeo. And it is the Bosch components that always fail on Italian cars...

[@jameslewis8227]

@@eelcoengelaar798 While the 75 was in no small part based on an older Alfa Romeo design, specifically the Giulietta, the vast majority of the vehicles produced were built AFTER FIAT acquired Alfa Romeo in 1986. The 75 was put on the market in 1985. Consequently, I blame FIAT for not choosing to use higher quality/reliability electrical components. My Alfa 75 had absolutely no problems with its engine, engine management electronics or drivetrain while I owned it. It only had the electrical problems common to just about all FIAT group cars of the time. That said, you people need give your trolling fingers a rest, because your comments aren’t even relevant to the points I made in my own comments, and consequently you are not adding any useful input to this exchange of comments. I freely admit it’s little unfair to blame FIAT for electrical problems with slightly older Alfa Romeos, but that’s beside the point, because under FIAT’s control, neither Lancia, nor Alfa Romeo exhibited any particularly notable increases in build quality and reliability.

[@eelcoengelaar798]

​@@jameslewis8227 hold your horses and start thinking about your heart man. And quit calling people trolls. I have owned several 75's, have daily driven a few of them and still.own an '88 3.0. And nothing wrong with their electronics. They are pretty reliable cars, very tough and well maintained they are able to do many, many miles. They most of all need to be driven. And when that is the case, their electronics aren't any worse than your average German car from that age

[@rosschamberlain1823]

I owned an '82 GTV6 and much more recently an '89 Milano Verde, which was close to a basket case, but I knew that going into it. I did a performance rebuild on the engine and got a lot of neglect taken care of too. Both Alfas after sorting and maintaining them properly were some of the most reliable cars I've ever owned. Whether new or old, do the maintenace and do it by the book. Italian cars especially are more highly strung and they will bite you hard if you dump magic stop-leak into them and hope for the best. My Verde had over 2" of rock hard stop leak at the bottoms of the cooling jackets around the cylinder liners. I had to use a hammer & chisel to clean it out. The cams were flat because somebody used whatever oil was the cheapest. I could go on and on, but the moral of the story is, do it right the first time! It's cheaper that way!

[@joshuaagassi2874]

I own a 164 and put the same amount of money... and there is still work. glad this 75 owner almost finished his project. it looks really cool!

[@johnthreefifteen]

Years ago I had a MGB that I got tired of fixing and decided to sell it. A guy saw it where I had it beside the road and called me. He said if I would drive it to him, he would take it. I drove it from Knoxville, TN to Jellico, TN over a mountain. I stopped on the mountain and made sure the oil was full. The guy met me and gave me the money and I gave him the title. As I turned to go, he asked me what gear I usually used. I told him to start in first and when the engine got loud, then go to the next gear. I jumped in with my wife in our other car and was back on the interstate before he got in the MG.

[@kevinshort3943]

What gear? That sounds like the poor MG didn't live long. You Sir, are responsible for it's death!

[@billhe372]

I have a friend with 3 MGB’s and I have worked on all of them. He said he is leaving the 1969 MGB to me in his will. I asked him what did I do to make him mad at me 😊.

[@stephenkutney9626]

I have a 1980 MGB. I have over 20k into it. Expensive paint job,, SU carbs, rubber bumpers replaced with chrome.

[@Fevebblefester]

Amateurs, I had a 1969 MGC-GT. More breakdowns per mile than any other car I ever owned.

[@timhancock6626]

If you are a careful buyer you can still get a very nice MGB in the UK for reasonable money. Spares are pretty available, you just need to be sure you don't buy somebody else's failed project car unless you really know what you are doing. Nobody ever makes money restoring cars.

[@maxwellbricks7632]

My Father used to say, you can buy something but can you afford it. I have 2 six foot bookcases filled with car & motorcycle books. Porsche, Ferrari, Bugatti, Lotus, & Miller engine design and history books. I cannot afford the nice toys but I can afford the books. Neat part, none of the books leak oil.

[@davidturgeon2087]

I'll bet none of them make great noises, either.

[@CaptainCrunkXL]

This is a mirror image of me getting my 2005 Dodge Magnum RT up to snuff in Germany. Completely ignored and mistreated by the previous owner. Having to replace and repair parts front to back for thousands of Euros as so many parts are Chrysler specific or rare OEM items. I totally understand the guy loving this car. Been there, done that 😅

[@roberts1677]

32 grand into a project car sounds fine to me. The trouble I'm having with mine is finding a shop in the Reno area that will work on an XJS and do it in anything resembling a timely manner.

[@dddevildogg]

No trustworthy mechanic/tech shop owner will give a time to do anything on a European brand.Unlike the popular makes,where parts dealers are everywhere,even on line-that does not mean the tech can get the part you need,after he diagnoses, and takes the car apart where it either eats up a bay or has to be pushed in/out Take your car for an estimate ,note the parts you'll need and look them up (their availability) Remember Jaguar sold to Tata Motors of India...and if you have a pre-Ford XJ-S there's probably a Jag Club in that area with experienced members XJ-S very complicated and aged parts very hard to get OEM quality, Look for yourself if the underside has some serious problems that will take many part $$$$ and labor time $$$$

[@davidhollenshead4892]

The Jaguar Owners Groups will know who to take it to in Reno...

[@porsche928s4]

I'm working on 2000s jags I can't even imagine your pain of the XJS

[@Sha-Ayo]

Have you had any experience with X350 Jag XJ? I'm thinking of buying one ​@@porsche928s4

[@briangibbs3774]

Your $250.00 pre-inspection fee is a very reasonable price for peace-of-miond insurance. My grandmother had a good expression: "Don't be penny-wise and pound-foolish".

[@bobnovaes9363]

I always wanted an AMG model. I found a CLK55 around 250 miles away from me. I paid $200 to the Lemon Squad. The dealer had said everything but the top was in great condition. Once the inspection was finished, had I bought the car sight unseen, I would have been holding 3 maybe 4 times the market price bill. Everything was broken. Best $200 I’ve ever spent.

[@Flies2FLL]

It's like he said. A car is worth what someone will pay for it. Since he truly likes this car, the $32k spent is a good deal. Great video!

[@pfsantos007]

I don't consider body work and wear items like brakes and tires as 'repairs' per say. And definitely not the wheels. More like upkeep and bling items. And then you also have maintenance items. But they definitely add up. Edit: Always make sure the check engine light comes on with the bulb check (ignition on, engine off) before starting, when buying a car.

[@tiagobelo4965]

that's genuinely great advice, the sorta thing most wouldn't even remember to do

[@gman1003]

I had a Platinum and a Verde version. Loved them.

[@davidsherrick898]

Two Golds and a Verde. Still have a Gold Automatic! And 14 other Alfas over the years!

[@nicoibzschalin-hr4bj]

My dad had 2 alfa 75 which is what they were called in europe. First the 2.5 V6 and then later the 3.0 V6. No major issues over more than 20 years between them both. The few things that showed up were not expensive but we are swedish so parts were easy to com by. Later in life i owned a 155 twin spark. Loved the car. Sadly a mecanic didnt put the nutt back right after a oil filter change and the engine blew. Its very similar to the 75 in the way it feels but is front weel drive and usually cheaper.

[@shedtime_au]

Yeah, I've had one with a 2.5L V6. A Japanese tourist bought it new and toured around Australia. I bought it at 80,000km with a blown right bank head gasket. Replaced gasket, fanged it for a couple of days and sold it for AU$1000 profit. Noisy but nice to drive. Not my favourite Alfa (I once had a 2600) but enjoyable. A 1978 GTV would be my choice if I could find one these days, but 147's are far cheaper and my second one is being delivered today. Gotta love that 2.0L twin spark engine. 🙂

[@tedburnard841]

The 78 GTVs had very bad rust issues. I bought an Alfetta 1.8 brand new In Adelaide in 1976 and had it faithfully serviced and it was very reliable but it rusted like crazy around the windscreen and back window. Sold it in 1980 with 96000km. In 1984 I bought my GTV 2.0 late 81 model with the plastic bumpers and the old crazy dash. Loved it like I loved the Alfetta. Lost interest in Alfas after they switched to fwd.

[@georgebettiol8338]

The suggestion of checking the condensate water to establish whether a car's AC evaporator is leaking is a fantastic tip - thank you. However, in your video you also mentioned that the Alfa Milano 3.0 litre is fitted with a torque tube that is similar to the C5 Corvette. The aforesaid is not correct as the Alfa Milano is equipped with a two-piece prop shaft incorporating three shock absorbing donuts known as Guibos.

[@TheRedgtv2000]

I had same color Verde I flew to Denver in 2006 bought it and drove back to Boston. The Busso 3.0L with a long gear ratio has amazing power and with ANSA exhaust the V6 Busso sound no like other V6. Kept it until 2017, I miss it but have other Alfa’s to enjoy!

[@martinclapton2724]

Great car , some say , including myself , the last of the “Real “ Alfa Romeos . Had two , first 75 was the 2 litre Twin Spark , then later the 3.0 litre V6 . It all comes down to the example you buy . How it’s been cared for , looked after, and maintained correctly.

[@tylerkeenan4390]

I understand why he does it. I’ve got an 88 spider and there’s something different about driving an Alfa that makes it so special

[@Chuck59ish]

You are a totally trustworthy professional, last time I dealt with a garage like yours was the Mercedes- Benz dealership in Lahr, West Germany back in the late 70s when I was posted overseas with the Canadian NATO Forces.

[@kevinshort3943]

What?! The Wizards one of the few trust worthy Septics.

[@Chuck59ish]

@@kevinshort3943Well I was talking about 50 years ago and in Germany.

[@oriontaylor]

Sometimes logic goes out the window when sentiment is involved, and I completely understand that. My parents have my grandfather’s beloved 99 SL600; it sat for a year before they got it and that took its toll, but there’s zero question about keeping up with repairs and keeping it in original condition. I’ll do the same with it one day.

[@KrautHammer_S62]

That thing is awesome. Anybody who has dealt with rare European cars would not be shocked by this price tag at all.

[@tomfaires1700]

That’s why these are supposed to be DIY weekend projects. As a 30 year owner of a GTV6, yep that’s what it costs. People use to not send this stuff out, no matter how difficult. They were not buy and drive cars new, although mine has never left me stranded, they fall apart and you have to chase the gremlins always.

[@delahayenator]

Dont agree on the not buy and drive cars while new. My dad had a Giulietta 1.8, Alfetta 2.0 and a very nice GTV6 all new. These cars just had the regular maintenance at a good dealer (thats where usually the problems came from. Sloppy maintenance by the dealer while charging a lot of money)He drove them quite hard and did 60 to 70.000 km per year. No rust or mechanical problems at all. Before these he had 2 Giulia 1600 Supers and a Sud 1.3 TI, same story there. All bought new, and traded in on a new Alfa usually after 3 years. Older second hand Alfas can be tricky when not knowing these cars. If you know the model and things to check it should not be a big risk. Agree on the work yourself on these older cars. Theyre fun to work on, I like the engineering on the 116 series. Had a 81 2.0 Alfetta and a Giulietta an a 75TS, these were a bit rusty here and there but not terrible. Driveshaft revision on such old car is a good idea as the hardy/guibos tend to dry out and shear. Can be done on jackstands on the street if neccesary haha. Even did a rearaxle&gearbox/clutch swap like that :) Love these cars.

[@martinboelter1401]

Yeah, that brings back memories. I tried to buy one of these in the States for several years, couldn't find one which wasn't beyond repair. But I had a 2.5 l V6 version, apparently s Swiss model for years and loved every moment of it. You know, I can't really say what it is with these cars. They are weird. They have this huge handbrake, they have the power window switches on the ceiling, the interior quality isnt even great, I mean, it is an eighties Alfa, what do you expect, right? And this weird shape, what is up with that? It's just one of these misteries. This car just puts a smile on your face every time you drive it. It's magic, Italian car building magic. So I totally get Bill, or whatever his name was again. And I appreciate his dedication. What he goes for is not some ultra elusive, exclusive and expensive man toy to show off with. What he goes for is going about his life, which makes it necessary to go from A to B sometimes, except he wants to do it with a tremendous fun factor. And I know from my own experience, this car will provide it. And sometimes, it is all you need in life. Sit in a great vehicle where you know, the people who designed and built it, had fun doing it, too. And that is, I think, what makes this car so special. It's a typical, Italian product. Make something everybody can use, thus don't make it too expensive or unattainable, but pick some people who can feel something, infuse their own emotional connection into the product. I totally get Bill or whatever his name was. Good job keeping your dream alive. And keep enjoying it, I envy you, I really do.

[@AmerigoVespucci-ss5kf]

Nice looking car. Have a 1991 Alfa Romeo Spider. Love it. Its worth it. Great work Wizard, thanks for bringing this back to its former glory.

[@weofnjieofing]

Milano will appreciate in value. Busso V6 in 3Litre, rear transaxle in manual. 4 door saloon for rs for a lot of unique features thet make it appealing and interesting. The fact this one is up to date maintenance wise means he can command good money if he sells and in 20 years time this will be a collector

[@davidturgeon2087]

Just what I was thinking.

[@m.p.509]

This has been one of my favorite cars since the first time I saw one in the early ‘90’s. Beautiful car. Those wheels are perfect. Awesome video.

[@Torsee]

It is a handsome ride! This has the trans on the rear axle right? Super balanced! Glad it found an owner with deep pockets!

[@timhancock6626]

To be fair to the car. If it had been properly maintained through it's life many of those items would have been done. I had a 2 litre version of this car from new. I did 90,000 miles in two years. The total faults were, wiper motor failed, one rear wheel bearing, Diff needed a re-shim. Other than that electrical problems were confined to relays that needed their contacts cleaning or reseating. Annoying, but no more than that. It's truly a lovely car to drive and I can understand easily why it's Bill's favourite. Good luck to you and long may you enjoy the car.

[@Eddie-yc5yd]

An honest mechanic is hard to find. In Pennsylvania, we have yearly inspections. I was told both of my rear axles were leaking. To the point it almost failed inspection. The next da, I pulled the wheels and found the seals to be dry.

[@billholemo2518]

I lived in Maryland for 25 yrs. Annual inspection st. Money Grab for Mechanics.

[@jonb77]

I don't think there's anything wrong with spending money in this way on a car. Always when you're looking for a specific model and year there's going to be a certain price to pay, but after that, you have a car for life. And compared with the 'piano down a lift shaft' rate of depreciation on a new car, money spent on a car like this is like buying gold bars.

[@altergreenhorn]

Alfa 75 as known in Europe is consider as last real Alfa before Fiat really took over. Parts are expensive because it is exotic car in the US in Italy you can get parts for a decent prices.

[@tiagobelo4965]

really depends on who you ask, some say the 164 was the last one as it was the final car built at arese

[@altergreenhorn]

@@tiagobelo4965 164 was all ready on multicar platform not on Alfa platform, also it is FWD, which doesnt mean it was/is a bad car

[@martinssmits3170]

​@@tiagobelo4965 164 is Fiat Croma / 1st gen Saab 9000. Not a real Alfa. Sorry.

[@davidturgeon2087]

@@tiagobelo4965 Except the 164 was a shared chassis design so not entirely Alfa, like the 75/Milano.

[@karacop78]

The 75 was our first Alfa and the last RWD. 164 followed and the 916 GTV was next. We still have the GTV and next year is going to be 30 yo with classic car plates. My brother has the 159 and I drive a Giulietta. Great cars but not stupid proof. They need love.

[@froggy0162]

Dunno, my Giulietta has been bulletproof. Well, this one has been. The last one I let the dealer work on and they messed it up so badly I had to get consumer laws invoked to make them replace the whole car… I decided the warranty wasn’t worth much so do my own work and it’s been great 😂

[@karacop78]

@@froggy0162 You're right, I should mention that this goes for the older models mostly. Indeed, the Giulietta as well as my brother's 159 haven't given us any serious problems. In addition, my G (2016 170hp DCT) is my first Alfa with completely silent cabin.

[@doolar]

I have had several of these both V6 and 2.0 TS,, in Europe it was named "75" not "Milano", the Milano designation was for US-cars only. I did buy a Milano that never made it to the US, loved it. It was quite the challenge to keep in good shape when it was five years old, can't imagine it now... :) I prided myself in having a fully functioning A.R.C. in the center dash for instance, those who know, know. The corrosion willingness of the -80's Alfas are just from another world too, just horrendous.

[@brianshorey]

Somebody on the AlfaBB reverse engineered the ARC and discovered that a simple transistor was under sized. For a couple of bucks you can solder in a proper transistor and the ARC disco light show is a thing of the past!

[@davidturgeon2087]

The trick is to have them rust sprayed from the get go, and repeated on a yearly basis. When I sold my Milano after six years of daily use in Canada where the roads are salted in winter, there was no rust at all, anywhere. A good spray = no rust.

[@davidturgeon2087]

I was about to add the same comment when I read yours.

[@wertGR]

Great video for a car that really has a soul. My dad had one from 91 to 94, Alfa 75 1.8 trofeo european standard. Quirky car that i remember vividly, he sold it after 3 years for 2 main reasons, 1) Error lights started to come on after only 80.000km and 2) it was a dangerous car for a family man, it could go fast but rear wheel drive posed some challenges. It was replaced by a SAAB 9000.

[@djdev3077]

He must be a single car guy,it isn't to many wives would allow this.

[@powertothesheeple5422]

Nah, just a rich one. I bet his wife has 30K worth of Louis Vuitton to make up for it.

[@adotintheshark4848]

Bill should have taken it on a test drive first. I've a feeling he knew what he was getting into.

[@dinispaulino7512]

@@jimihendrix731 I think it's pretty obvious he's an enthusiast, he doesn't buy old cars because that's all he can afford... And I'd rather spend 50k or more on 3 cool old cars than just one new one.

[@sreilly]

@@jimihendrix731newer cars aren’t even well sorted when new 😂

[@sreilly]

My wife allows me two classic cars, along with my work truck and my everyday runaround Honda. If I want something else, I have to sell one. We set a monthly budget when I restored my two classics. But I knew going into it that whatever number I had in my head…double it. Luckily I do all the work myself. My old thunderbird cost me $5,000 in parts to restore in 5 months, and my old c10 cost me $9,000 in parts to restore in a year and a half. The thunderbird I thought was going to cost me $2,500 and the c10 I thought was going to cost me $5,000. But I knew I should budget more money because like the Wizard said, as I dug more into these vehicles, I found way more wrong with both vehicles. Luckily I love restoring old cars, without ever expecting my money back when I sell them.

[@The66680]

Here in South Africa during the 70's, Alfa had its second biggest market outside of Italy. However due to sanctions they had to pull out. When they left they dug a hole in the ground, and dumped all its new parts etc etc. I currently have a 1998 Spider with the 2.0 Twin Spark. Very solid engines and had been very reliable. I previously had the 147 Selespeed. So sad I sold it but the automated manual gearbox was giving issues.

[@martinda7446]

I'd have that over many an exotic... But I'd get 'another' early 156 because those go and handle like a true pedigree. They look lovely too. Edit: Though, thinking about it for just a little, it would be a tough choice as these are so full of character too.. My fave is almost any 50s or 60s Alfa and when I was a kid the 1600 GT Junior was affordable!.. Those and original Minis (I've had 3) are 10x more fun than any new Lambo or Ferrari. Yes, they are. And they look better too. Call me crazy.

[@xyz-md2mv]

You are not crazy. I stand with you😉

[@tiagobelo4965]

as someone who daily drives a 156 (1.9jtd, not very exciting for a 156, but still goes more than enough), I can definitely confirm that the handling is superb, especially for a FWD sedan, and whilst the BMW guys might scream at me for saying this, it was definitely the best looking option in the segment at the time. those 60s alfas are works of art though, those "letterbox"/scalino GTs are something else

[@martinssmits3170]

155 handles somehow better imo

[@sid-a794]

was driving Alfas for 20 years, almost all problems came from bad mechanic or improper use of car.

[@Tripp426]

Considering a $250 pre-purchase inspection can save you thousands of dollars, there's no reason not to do it.

[@romulus_]

and if the seller balks, walk!

[@jasonh.8754]

In my humble experience, a 'project car' is never finished. They usually get offloaded to the next owner who hopes to work on it, but usually runs out of time and/or money also. Even the lucky owner who manages to get it back on the road, will be working on it on and off for the rest of its life. I learned to buy a car that is actually fully completed, if you want a car to drive for fun, versus one that often sits in a shed under a car cover waiting for some major repair.

[@jujuUK68]

I had one of these, and eeven 20 years ago, the parts prices were pretty spicy! I recall a break caliper seized on the rear - and that was £500, then, and I couldn't afford to do both sides. That would have been £1k just for a couple of brake calipers. Oh, and then the head gasket went. That was £1200. I still have the bills. I wasn't even earning £1200 a month, I virtually gave it away. It was only worth £1k at the time, and I spent £2k on it before realising the futility of owning an Alfa on a budget.... It was in parts an amazing car, and amazingly, often a car in parts.

[@startingtech3900]

Tried to stunt while broke 😅

[@davidturgeon2087]

Moral: don't buy a car you can't afford to maintain.

[@jujuUK68]

@@davidturgeon2087 But then I wouldn't be able to say I'd owned 4 Alfa's! Including a lovely Sud Sprint, a GTV2000 and the 75 3l Veloce......

[@johanbjork1650]

Can relate. A. Had a predessor, a 1982 Alfa Alfetta 2 litre with the same transaxel layout. One of the best balanced front engine rwd cars I have driven. B. Have a had Porsche 964 for 20 years. Nearest official Porsche dealership clearly showed moderate intrest in doing repairs or sourcing parts, except for one of the older mechanics.

[@karlos1060]

Having owned a lot of Alfa Romeo's and still driving one i can say the Alfa 164 from end 80's is one of the best and most reliable Alfa''s build in that time. Also the 166 later in the and 90's is a very solid car. Owned both of them and had a 166 3.0 V6 24V Busso engine and they are special if you have a good one! The one i miss the most is the infamous Alfa ROmeo Sud 1.5 TI QV! That car was special in every way. I wish i would still have one now! After is think both 164 and 166 were great. And now still enjoying my 156 Alfa. I drove 100.000's of miles with Alfa's. Bot search all of them, tested and cheked them before buying and left more of them standing then i bought. My 5th 166 was the one i bought and my brother still drives this car today.

[@davidsherrick898]

On number 17! I currently have a 1988 Milano Gold Automatic!

[@andrewlorenz3139]

My fellow Brit Clarkson said to be a true petrol head you need to have owned an Alfa. I have never owned one and only drove a 155 with its offset pedals. I do respect you guys who do own and run an Alfa or have done so. It is an iconic marque.

[@tiagobelo4965]

they're definitely great cars, but definitely not a requirement for a petrolhead, they require a certain level of insanity to own that not everyone is inclined to

[@andrewlorenz3139]

@@tiagobelo4965 That's a generous response. I do enjoy my cars. Have a good day/ evening/ night whether you are in the world 🌎

[@charlesclement383]

As an Alfa Romeo fan,I'd spend any amount to get it right.

[@gregedmand9939]

If you've ever watch episodes of Ian Tyrrell's exotic car renovations, you will have seen the extreme expense that owners will endure for certain collector cars like Lamborghini Miura or Dino. On any common car they would have been written off years ago due to horrendous rust or unobtainable parts by normal means. But then spending $100K on a car worth ten times that at auction makes sense if you have the funds available. People who want to restore common cars on a beer budget, defies any form of logic. These cars were designed to time-expire... NOT be collector items. Because in the end, you can never recover what you've put into your project. It boils down to "If you have to ask the price, you likely can't afford it."

[@stuffhappens5681]

You are exactly right. Italian cars aren’t build to last which is why owning one is a challenge but if you can keep one in nice shape in spite of itself it is a treat mainly because most have long since expired.

[@tiagobelo4965]

I mean, this is an alfa 75 3L, if an E30 M3 or a Cosworth 190E is worth looking after then so is this.

[@Ralph2]

What a great car, always admired them back in the day. I'll bet when Bill finds some more loose change all the front lights will be replaced, and that will make a huge difference to the look of the car. Nice one Bill you have my deepest respect for getting her back to snuff.

[@georgebettiol8338]

The front lights are glass - i.e. not plastic. They just require a simple clean.

[@Ralph2]

@@georgebettiol8338 Of course, and that's even better! I think the indicators are plastic though, hope they can still be sourced. 🤞

[@LekkerDops]

It's an Alfa 75 3 litre v6. I had one in Australia for years, loved it.

[@jmorris023]

It's an amazing looking car though, and he'll have the nicest one in the country. Any chance Tyler can do a review on it? This is right up his alley (or at least before you guys fixed it up).

[@volvo09]

Yeah, that's a nice car. Really cool!

[@bofat6978]

My brother-in-law had an ‘87 Milano. Cool car! That V6 engine was smooth and the inboard rear brakes were cool, but the car was very finicky and always needed some work and was expensive to repair. That car made me an Alfa fan and convinced me never to own one. 😂

[@b.snoodleman5864]

3 liter Alfa V6 one of the best engines ever

[@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΧΡΗΣΤΟΥ-λ5φ]

Some of my best childhood memories inside an alfa romeo just like this one.. Hello from Greece

[@bmwloco]

Used to sell BMW Motorcycles. Owner had a Alpha dealership across the street. Saw a lot of 164's. Fantastic cars when new. BMW eaters.

[@bobbyread]

I considered buying a Milano Verde when it was new, but decided I didn't want to deal with the reliability issues. I considered buying one a few years ago, but didn't want to deal with reliability issues. Two rare occasions when I made sensible car decisions.

[@davidturgeon2087]

Sometimes sensible decisions are the worst ones to make. There's more to a car than reliability.

[@cbca6567]

This Alfa Romeo does "not" have a torque tube as mentioned in the video but an open prop running at engine speed linked to the rear clutch/gearbox in one unit, so unlike the C5 Corvette, and saying it will break again is also nonsense if properly maintained. A third of that cost list was the purchase price (which was cheap compared to Europe) and the rest of the items should have been taken care of with regular servicing , because the Milano/75 was very reliable in Europe with regular maintenance. The same costs would apply with other foreign motors that were not serviced for many years, including German cars. The Milano/75 was more reliable than any Ferrari of the time and one that is pre Fiat, the last fully Alfa Romeo engineered car; when I was in italy in the 80s/ early 90s it was very common and very reliable which is why people used them. I maintain my fathers transaxle Alfa from new which was an earlier car with the same platform and it has given "zero" major issues and zero rust either since it was always garaged, but it has been maintained and maintenance cost is akin to exotic car prices because of the transaxle platform. Important also to buy NOS parts and go to an Alfa Specialist also that knows the cars, preferably a mechanic that worked for dealers when the particular Alfa was current. Fully working Milano/75 v6 cars without issues are available in Europe but they are, without excessive mileage (80k), at the USD27k mark looking on autoscout24 which gives a good estimate of prices in Europe, up to USD40K for much lower mileage cars. These cars have those prices in Europe so the US has it lucky if you can get a well maintained Milano/75 for much less.

[@giuliettaevo]

Amen to that👍🏻

[@davidturgeon2087]

Agree wit all, but the driveshaft balance issues with the 75/Milano are well known, and require a lot of maintenance.

[@cbca6567]

@@davidturgeon2087 yeah that is true but "with" the regular competent maintenance a lot of issues could be avoided, which was not done in the example in the video. This is also true of many other brands that regular maintenance will stop problems, so it is unfair to judge the 75/Milano in this sense. Lots of people I spoke to implied a car of ITalian origin means it will not be as reliable., and a lot of these people never owned an ITalian car.

[@davidturgeon2087]

@@cbca6567 I totally agree with you on the maintenance issue. However, the issue with driveshaft balance in all transaxle Alfas is due to the normal wear and tear on the rubber donuts which cannot be avoided with maintenance. Ask me how I know!

[@cbca6567]

@@davidturgeon2087 by maintenance, specifically regarding the rubber donuts, they are either good or not and the maintenance is replacing them when they are not functioning any more. Transaxle owners that give their car to a non Alfa Romeo specialist risk that the wrong donouts are chosen to replace the bad ones or ones from a cheap brand that does not build to OE quality. They also have to be very carefully aligned and tightened and must also attach to a propshaft that is balanced otherwise they will not help.

[@davebuts1921]

Just look at it, its stunning, had a 75 many years ago, still miss it now, same car in the US, stunning car. $32k for a car you have always wished in the condition you need it to be, is it truly expensive? or is it a bargain to have what you love in the condition you love.

[@GSXRDAVE73]

I just sold a 2017 Mazda 6 to a guy in Chicago area. He flew out to Northern California. I had it smogged and ready to go. Drove all the way back home no issues with 150000 miles. I am mechanic as well.

[@ecurbsoom4211]

Thanks for being so honest Car Wizard. Mrs. Wizard as well.👍

[@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation]

ITs still better than PAYMENTs apps to start / Subscriptions / Endless Updates & overall poor designed lacking quality builts of the NEW CarTruckSUVetcs Gas or Electric .

[@melvingibson4525]

That thing is unique and has a lot of character. The wheels really really set off the look.

[@lancecooper4646]

Back in the 90's my stepfather had an Alfa 75 with the 3 lt V6 & a 5 spd manual transaxle in the rear & THEY ARE AN AWESOME DRIVERS CAR & this is worth it & he'll get his $$ back cos there are dudes out there that LOVE ALFAS 🔥👍

[@lando0861]

I went to go pick up this car with Bill and oh my gosh what a basket case this was but such a fun car to ride in. Seats keep you very blustered in and probably my favorite seats ever

[@lotusespritdecorps]

So glad I had you along with me brother! A trip to remember for sure!

[@claesfriberg2402]

most of the items on the list are just service bits and have the car followed the normal maintenance most of the lines have been erased and after 30 years things get broken... if you cant afford an Italian car - don't buy it !

[@Luraka1978]

32k is not a lot for a car you really love

[@SurfingWithTheMartian]

I very much understand the owner regretting the purchase but REALLY loving this car and always wanting it since a young age. I’m in that situation myself. My dream car has always been a 2 seat roadster convertible ever since I was a kid. Two years ago I bought a 2007 Mercedes SLK 280 black for $14k. I put another $5k in the car to “get it up to snuff” and I’m glad I did. I LOVE this car and get compliments on it all the time and offers from people to buy it and I ain’t selling. Never.

[@tiagobelo4965]

hope you're enjoying your SLK, the early ones were great looking cars with quite the friendly face!

[@therandomtester9561]

2:20 Of course they need just 2 items: 1: Bottom half 2: Top half

[@Sam-go3mb]

What I want to know is why on a video with the word 'scam' in the title Wizard read out a $32k list of repairs then immediately said, but it's actually been very reliable 😂

[@davidturgeon2087]

Yeah, anybody who thinks they are getting a well sorted Milano Verde for 12 grand is dreaming in technicolour.@@Sam-go3mb

[@schanche1965]

That V6 engine is called The Busso engine, named after the Italian engineer who designed it. In Europe that car is an Alfa Romeo 75, not a Milano (which is not pronounced Milarno)

[@acs5928]

Part of the fun of driving an alfa is the adventures you have when it breaks down.

[@tiagobelo4965]

much like a beetle its a great first car for anyone you want to have become a mechanic. you'll end up having to learn some stuff to keep it going, and also to keep it in tip top shape because you can't accept any less

[@umtozzi]

My family and I have had Italian cars, American cars, German cars, well regarded Japanese cars, mediocre Japanese branded cars, and a Korean car. We have not owned a true lemon since the x-body and Vega based crap boxes of the late 70s and early 80s. I’m convinced that any car these days can be a good car and a reliable car. If you drive it gently and maintain it religiously. With all that said, if you first and foremost view an automobile as an appliance that should reliably get you from point A to point B just buy a Toyota. If you truly value the driving experience, buy what you like, and take care of it.

[@davidturgeon2087]

A sound approach, Id say.

[@SuperSnakePlissken]

Never forget people Fiat the owner of Alpha Romero, has been ranked for nine years straight the worst vehicle manufacturer in the world.

[@wanderer7779]

It's kinda the tradition at this point 😂

[@Desertduleler_88]

All the cars produced by FIAT is crap, that includes Ferrari.

[@SombreroKnight]

Fix it again Tony

[@richardsheil5289]

Fiat had nothing to do with this car. It's based on 1974 Alfetta.

[@tiagobelo4965]

I highly doubt that, especially since they are known for being totally fine cars around these parts, so a source would certainly be appreciated

[@2steaksandwiches665]

If it makes him happy, that’s great. This is what car culture is all about. Leaving logic by the wayside and following your heart.

[@gordonmccracken1209]

Hoping a SAAB 9000 Aero comes through some day

[@lotusespritdecorps]

Me too

[@terencehawkes3933]

Despite the long list of repairs, none of those items was out of line.

[@bobgaysummerland]

Wizard I owned that exact year and model from new in 88....it spent more time at the dealer than in front of my house...fun fact the heads are a different alloy than the block...expand at different rated...can you say leaking gasket in 4k miles? I can. unload that thing

[@brianshorey]

First I've heard of different alloys with the heads and block. I know the early GTV6's had 2 piece head gaskets that were prone to leaking, but the Milano had an upgraded single piece head gasket and those weren't known for head gasket problems. I've owned many, and the only head gasket failure I have experienced to date was with a 24 Hour of LeMons raced car that we hammered the bejesus out of.

[@bobgaysummerland]

That was the story I got back then..Dumped that car first chance I got. Sure it was fun...when it wasn't dumping oil.@@brianshorey

[@davidturgeon2087]

Umm. no. The Busso V6 engine, including the heads and the sump, is all aluminum alloy. I know, having owned one.

[@MrGGPRI]

That engine bay mess was ahead of its time-- it looks like the messes we see today in "one use" throw-away cars.

[@NSW2040]

I owned an Alfa 33 wagon of similar vintage. It seduced me with its good looks, then proceeded to empty my wallet. Which is why I now drive a Toyota.

[@davidturgeon2087]

That's a really sad ending. No one should have to drive a Toyota.

[@brendanfleming6584]

Today I learned that what we (Europe) know as the Alfa 75 is the Milano stateside. I sat in a new 2.0 back in 1988; my memories are electric window switches in the roof and a parking brake wraparound handle. Quirky but lovely!