Case 124: Hinterkaifeck

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At 9:00 am on Tuesday, April 4, a mechanic arrived for a scheduled appointment to repair a diesel engine. His knocks to the front door went unanswered and there was no smoke coming from the chimney...
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How bizarre that you would mention the book, The Man From the Train. I literally just received this book today after ordering it a few days ago. When I sat down to listen to this podcast, I had no idea that it would end up being (possibly) connected to the book I just bought.

[@annalisette5897]

I also own "The Man From the Train". It is a great book but I don't agree with all of their conclusions. I have done some research in old archives about other axe murders in the U.S. around the time of the Villisca, Iowa tragedy. Check out the 'Mulatto Axe Murders' -- such were they called at the time -- which began in Louisiana and eastern Texas. Don't necessarily accept the supposed guilt of Clementine Barnabet.

[@Flanneryschickens]

@@annalisette5897 in the book, the man from the train, I think they also disputed her guilt, no?

[@annalisette5897]

@@Flanneryschickens I do not recall specifically. Because the premise of "The Man From the Train" is that one, specific man did a number of axe murders listed in the book, it would remove Clementine Barnabet from the lineup of suspects. If one digs into the story of Clementine and her family in old newspaper articles, it appears that they originated in Haiti and had their own version of voodoo which made them suspect among others in Louisiana. Plus, though considered guilty, she only got 10 years and after than nothing more is known. In those days when capital punishment was frequently and swiftly used, I have to wonder why she only got 10 years. It must not have been conclusive that she was a major killer.

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[@lilooc.7057]

I highly recommend the Rotten Raven documentary in which Schlittenbauer's 2nd wife is presented the main suspect, which makes perfect sense considering Lorenz Schlittenbauer's reaction upon the discovery of the murders. I believe his wife admitted the murders to him eventually. Lorenz himself is said to be physically and mentally not strong enough to have committed the 6 time murders himself.

[@pain-killeryates5448]

I looked for that documentary, couldn't find it anywhere. I sont see how a woman could overpower 3 adults wielding a mattox.

[@lilooc.7057]

@@pain-killeryates5448 in the documentary which indeed seems to be gone from YT, the theory is that the wife's brother was her accomplice and helped. A woman alone can hardly kill the old Gruber who was described to be massive. But a woman can have killed little 2 year old Joseph in the buggy and the maid. Many believe that the wife and that brother killed Victoria in the barn first and together.

[@pain-killeryates5448]

@@lilooc.7057 Oh I see. Yes a lone woman could have killed the maid by creeping up on her, and smacking her over the head with the mattox. Then, kill the baby. No way could she have done old man Gruber on his own, another persons would have been needed. I've always known there were 2 or more people involved in this, as there is no way 4 adults could have been overpowered by a lone perpetrator. I think that the killer was hiding in the house the whole time, watching them carefully. I find it really shocking that the perpetrators killed the sleeping baby though...Someone mustve seriously hated the family really badly to eradicate them

[@lilooc.7057]

@@pain-killeryates5448 not the whole family, but Victoria and little Joseph and Lorenz being the father or made the father by Victoria. It is said that Lorenz' new wife lost a baby herself just few weeks before this crime happened. The burial of this baby is said to have happened even few days before. It looks like a crime out of rage and anger that summed up over some time and bursted in the moment of the loss of the baby. The farm was not far away from the Hinterkaifeck farm, so scouting etc. was more then probable.

[@takohamoolsen2432]

I'd agree with you that it could've been the 2nd wife, but how did her husband not miss her during the night and stay up in the Gruber's attic all the time. During the day, when she had chores, yes, but night and especially if she and her husband had little children that need to be tended to. Lorenz Schlittenbauer had to be in on it if his wife was the killer. I agree she could've been perfectly capable of killing the adults by luring them in the barn and killing them. If she was p***ed at Viktoria Gabriel asking for Child support for Josef from her husband, then just kill Viktoria and bury the body with her husband's help. But otherwise both of them had to be in on it.

[@carnage2681]

If you understand german, i recomment the 8 Part Podcast "Dunkle Heimat - Hinterkaifeck" to you in addition. it gives a ton of new information about this case. it is also on YT

[@susanhooper6431]

the reaction of the dog to the 3 men means it was one of them,Schlittenbauer did it,

[@shouldawouldacoulda]

Great show! Keep it up!

[@SheolAbaddonus666]

Hark, Lorenz, I believe there are knave rogues in my dwelling!

[@OOoKarmaoOO]

This is messed up in so many ways

[@naomiledger1374]

Fascinating, creepy and frustrating case.

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Great shows keep going

[@Flanneryschickens]

I have never felt sorry for Andreas Gruber, he was a monster. But his family didn't deserve that. I enjoyed "The Man from the Train" as a book, although it's probably a stretch to say that it was the same perpetrator as the Hinterkaifect murders. I do agree with their assessment that whoever did it targeted Victoria and Ceely

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The host's house must be full of stuffs w all these partnerships

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[@tyman2168]

God heard their cries and didn’t give 2 shits. 1:00:20

[@Irunwithscissors63]

Really? Funny how those that complain that ‘God doesn’t give two shits’ are always the ones that never ‘give two shits’ about Him.

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Those that cry out for God usually are the ones that only call him when they need something and forget him during daily life.

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I'm still convinced god quit this reality when Jesus got back and told god what we did.

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1,000,000.00 Marks=50 bucks due to inflation at that time.

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Runaway inflation of that magnitude is impossible to sign a nominal value of todays currency like that. -(PhD in economics)

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I agree with the beginning I do want to use natural products but it’s difficult for me to always find them

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And they usually cost more 😢

[@FknNefFy]

Seems obvious it was the sons

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It was Lorens

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The father probably pissed off the wrong person.

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