2020 Jeep Wrangler EcoDiesel - Brutally Honest 2 Year Review by Owner

[@UnwindingRoads]

As a former owner of a deleted ecodiesel, it was absolutely awesome. 7l/100 in a full size rig. Adds about 60hp and 60 ft/lb. But, when I went to sell it, it really bit my in the butt. Dealers won't touch it. And 99 percent of the people in the market don't understand what it is. Lucky for me and the buyer they understood what they were buying. Great video casey.

[@alexanderdeburdegala4609]

How much MPG did you pick up? I wouldn't mind doing a DEF delete. Not to roll coal (hate that dumb shit), but I want better MPG, and hey extra power is a nice side effect.

[@UnwindingRoads]

@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 i saw about 5 mpg combined. More on the hwy. No more regens or def purchases. And it's great to save the motor. But again, literally no dealership would touch it here. And some shops wouldn't work on it.

[@mattbrew11]

@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 I haven’t deleted my gladiator yet but I know a “canadian” who has. He picked up 2mpg city and 4 highway.

[@jamessnider2975]

How did you go about getting the delete done ?? I have no intention of ever selling my jeep until it's absolutely worthless and most likely worth more in a scrap yard and if I can pull the def system put and get a bigger tank for fuel I feel like it's a win win in my book

[@UnwindingRoads]

@@jamessnider2975 are you in Canada or in the states?

[@alfonsoaleu]

Hi Casey ... thanks for your videos it helps when others share theirs experience. As a truck driver and owner of a Jeep gladiator ecodiesel I’ve learned to buy my def at truck stops instead of a jug at a parts store or local retailer, it’s cheaper when you buy bulk and fresh ( at at truckstop ) just pull into the truck fuel island and fill your def up just like you would your diesel fueling. For those who are not familiar with DEF it goes bad after a certain period of time, jugs get fill at the factory then ship to a warehouse and then ship to a retailer were it might sit for a while meanwhile at at truckstop it get replenish ( bulk ) every 2 to 6 days. Well that’s providing you have a truck stop close from you’re home or usual route. Instead of paying 14 to 18 ( US dollars) per jug it would be about 8 ( US dollars ) per the same amount 2.5 gallons. My gladiator it’s to new it only has so far 8000 miles on it but I Learned so much with my 18 wheeler that I know how to prevent this emissions problems. It’s regular maintenance, clear the def doser they get plugged with carbon and that prevents the doser from injecting the proper amount and at time instead of spraying they drip.... a kind of preventive maintenance it is to remove the doser ( if you are handy with tools ) and inspect it most time they can be cleaned ( scape the carbon out of the tip ) and if you see any anomalies replace it, same thing goes for the NoX sensors. I know that 18 wheelers are bigger and different than a regular small pick up but it’s the same principle...some of the new Diesel engines even have a DEF filter and most of the times it gets neglected and that becomes a big problem latter. So far I’m super happy with my ecodiesel Gladiator. Mods that I’ve done so far: 6.5 evo lift kit stage 4 with coilover on the front, 40x13.5 R17 tires, regear to 4.88 with ARB air lockers, front and rear steel bumpers and DV8 steep/ slider. My Gladiator is the high Altitude so the interior has a lot of upgrades from factory . Hope my comments on DEF helps someone. Cheers and happy trails !

[@christopherjb274]

He clearly got a 392. Every jeep youtuber has already got or ordered one

[@evild71]

That's what I figured as well

[@Autobhnspd]

100%

[@SuperCurt1234]

I have 2021 rubicon eco-diesel. I installed the banks pedal monster. It is extremely responsive. I love my jeep especially with the price of fuel

[@rawmotors]

I have a 2021 wrangler eco diesel and have experienced limp mode numerous times when climbing grades in hot weather. I run the tazer but also monitor exhaust temps, VGT position, DPF percentage, etc with an xgauge. I determined that the cause of my limp mode was the full skid plates under the engine. when exhaust temps would get too high, the engine started dumping boost without ever changing the VGT position. I know you run metal cloak, I run the Rock Hard steel, and it traps an immense amount of heat from the exhaust. as soon as I removed the skids exhaust temps dropped I couldn't get it to go into limp mode again. running 37's as well.

[@adammfharris]

Wait…. Hahaha😅 That’s funny, and makes sense. I was like, how the heck are these guys managing to get an excellent diesel engine too hot? Literally nobody else except Jeep guys will find a way to break something.

[@gogerwi]

Good honest review Casey, very appreciated. I'm quite happy with my 2021 Gladiator diesel. DEF consumption is quite normal and no d-rating issues. Good luck with your 392 Wrangler.

[@gogerwi]

@@fredmertz3837 That's much better than going down the Bronco rabbit hole KZbinrs have been going down lately.

[@johnfrank4558]

I'm 4 years in and I luv my diesel jeep gladiator 42k on it and going strong, 24- 27 mpg on average, thing has lots of acceleration and can go almost anywhere

[@Tallnerdyguy]

I have a 2014 Grand cherokee ecodiesel. I am at almost 200k miles. I bought it as a lemon that was repurchased by jeep with a major exhaust system issue. I get 1 jug of DEF per oil change (3500 miles). I do get around 24mpg and with a 26 gallon tank.. i can get very close to 610 miles per fill up

[@explore_off_road]

I've always said, you never buy a newly designed vehicle the first year it comes out... the Eco Diesel and the Bronco for example. Everything is new, so they really don't know how it is over time. One I always use is, "the door handles are probably new and may fall apart." Get the second year after they've worked out the bugs of the first year.

[@dupton8000]

Gen 1 and 2 EcoDiesel In the Ram pick up trucks have their fair share of problems, in fact many. The GEN 3 EcoDiesel currently in the Wrangler was introduced introduced into the ram 1500 pick up truck several years before being introduced into the Wrangler so it was proven. That's why I didn't hesitate in 2020 to purchase mine. 0 issues to date. 28k miles.

[@1nastysrt]

Another excellent video and definitely appreciate your perspective. I have a 2021 JL Rubicon Eco Diesel (with 23,000 miles on it so far) and I live in Arizona so I have lots of experience with heat. I also tow a 3000lbs camper. My Wrangler has 37’s and a 2” lift and it pulls my camper like it’s not even there. The oil temperature climbing grades can be difficult but my Tazer lets me run the radiator fan continuously which definitely helps. I’ve never had the Jeep de-rate but I don’t let the oil temps go over 255 degrees. When climbing grades (like 7% or more) I just slow down to 50mph and I have no issues with heat. Steep Mtn climbs are usually 65 or 55mph max anyway. Without a trailer I never have issues with oil temps and again I’m in ambient temps of 100 degrees in the summer. I am getting about 700 miles to 1 gallon of Def which I think is a bit much but have not been to the dealer to update. Def can be purchased at truck stops here in the States for around $4 a gallon so lots cheaper than what you pay. I’m also seeing 25mpg on the freeway (my Jeep weights 5650lbs with no passenger) so I’ve added a lot of weight. Love my diesel and would buy again. Only downside is diesel fuel is much more expensive currently and as you mentioned repairs can be very expensive outside of the warranty (which is why I added an extended warranty). Very curious to see what powertrain you ended up choosing. Guessing a 4XE or 392 which are definitely two ends of the spectrum 😂

[@ThomasLazio]

Not sure if you’ll see this because it’s a year later but how has the diesel been? I currently have a deposit down on a 2023 gladiator Rubicon diesel I’m just waiting for the recalled fuel pump to come in before I can take delivery so while I’m waiting, I would love to hear your perspective on how the diesel has been and how many miles you have now.

[@1nastysrt]

@@ThomasLazio Hi, so I am still very happy with the diesel. I’ve done lots of off roading and still think this is the best powertrain for off roading. I’m actually in St George Utah now wheeling. I’m close to 40,000 miles and have had zero issues. There is a new fuel pump available now but I will wait a little longer to have mine replaced as I will let everyone else be the Guinea pig 😂. In reality I add Hot Shots diesel treatment at every fill up so I’m pretty confident in the original pump function. I will get it replaced in the next 6 months tho. I would absolutely buy the diesel again. Hope this helps

[@ThomasLazio]

@@1nastysrt that’s awesome. I’m so glad to hear. Can’t wait for the recall fuel pump to come in so I can finally take delivery. Thank you for your input I appreciate it.

[@joejimenez8068]

I have a 2021 Echo diesel Wrangler never had any problems with it so far have 40,000 miles on it. They are trying to sell me an extended warranty for $3700 125,000 mile six years wondering if that covers everything like glow plugs and engine failure what kind of warranty did you purchase?

[@1nastysrt]

@@joejimenez8068 I bought the Mopar maxcare warranty (actually it’s a service contract) so you have to be cautious as they try to get out of everything. However I bought the 8 year 125K extended warranty. It’s suppose to cover everything except wearable items (tires, brakes, belts, hoses, etc). I paid $2K for it when my Jeep was only a couple months old and has a $200 deductible. Hope that helps.

[@akbooman]

I got a 21 Ecodiesel Gladiator exactly a year ago. Up here in Alaska- I had a couple of episodes with the DEF fluid when it got cold. DEF fluid freezes at about 12f. We can go a couple of weeks (or more) below that. Had to take it to the dealer a couple of times for computer updates. However in the summers up here the Ecodiesel shines. Traveling through mountain passes I get 24 mpg plus going to the cabin.

[@gateofdivine582]

Hey. Are you still enjoying your diesel Gladiator? Thinking of one for myself

[@akbooman]

@@gateofdivine582 - still have my Ecodiesel Gladiator. No troubles with the DEF system this past winter. I tow a camper trailer up through a mountain pass. With the added torque it’s like I have nothing behind me going up through the pass. Still get almost 20 mpg with the trailer behind me.

[@jimak4947]

Another Alaskan with an Ecodiesel. I live on the Kenai Peninsula and regularly get 28+ MPG going to Los Anchorage. Not using much DEF and no issues other than two factory recalls

[@officialmallcrawler]

You can't say Ecodiesel Wrangler without saying Casey250.. you've helped alot of people decide if they should purchase a gas/diesel Wrangler.. Ecodiesel is the way to go imo.. Great content as always.

[@my3corvettes]

Ditto , thanks Casey for all of the humorous insight , guidance and knowledge on the Eco Diesel . Mine was one of the first 2021JLURD off the line and I love it with very minimal issues towing a off-road trailer in Arizona . Thanks again

[@alexmills1329]

A water methanol system is around $500 and you can drastically lower intake temps on turbo engines, just need to find room for the pump and tank

[@Autobhnspd]

I got an ecodiesel after seeing your videos. Loved it but had an oil leak after my first oil change. I also spent months waiting on parts. The ecodiesel is too complex and not many techs know how to work on it. I have a 392 and love it and you’re going to love yours too.

[@cowelk]

Casey, I own a 2021 Wrangler Sport with ecodiesel. I bought it new in February 21 and now have about 26,000 miles on it. My first need for DEF was at 3,400 miles after driving from Phoenix to Portland and down to Death Valley. I was surprised because the book said I should get 10,000 miles on a full tank of DEF. I love it but you really got me there with the $5,000 price for the emissions system and I don't have the skid plate. I have not experienced any derating so I am glad you talked about that so I will know what is going on if I experience it. My temperature gauge stays right in the middle regardless of the temps here in Arizona and on mountain roads. I pulled a 5x8 Uhaul trailer, loaded but not too heavy, from Arizona to Virginia back. I experienced 21 mpg driving at 65 mph. I could have gone faster but knew that my fuel economy would go down as you also noted. My overall fuel economy for the 26,000 miles which includes highway, some city, and of course off road is 26 mpg. I do not have a noticeable lag on acceleration. In fact, I think it is rather good and this comes from a guy that bought the first Plymouth Roadrunner in Springfield, Missouri in September 1967. Of course, that had much better acceleration but the diesel Wrangler is pretty good. Oil changes for the diesel are really high. Jeep Wave paid for the first couple but my last one was $325, ouch. I bought a package from Jeep that includes 4 oil changes for about $160 each. That is still an ouch. Overall, I really like the diesel but may change my mind if I have to pay for an emissions system after warranty runs out. Great job with you videos. I will miss you talking about your diesel Wrangler but look forward to more videos from you. You are very thorough.

[@Casey250]

Thanks! The def consumption is waaaay higher then stated. Its crazy.

[@jackham2549]

Good video I have a 2021 ecodiesel and tow every trip (3 kids) w/ an offroad trailer on 35in MTs. In UT, SoCal, CO mtn passes, etc I do not get derating. I think people don't slow down when the engine is getting warm; it is part of driving a vehicle. I did have one trip in SoCal that I had to slow down climbing passes because my engine was getting warm (up to 250F) and slowed down and engine cooled and no issues. as far as DEF I'm surprised at how much I use, more than a tank per 5000miles, and the update did not seem to help much; only a slight increase in miles per DEF tank. I am usually towing, rarely driving any distance w/o a trailer and maybe that is why I haven't seen much change. In diesel I get 23mpg w/o towing and 18-19mpg towing, both include offroading miles as well. I don't have a roofrack and my jeep is definitely lighter.

[@alexanderdeburdegala4609]

Weird, I had zero issues with de-rating, and I've towed a good bit over the "5, 500" tow rating (heat restricted) and I've towed up into the mountains. Zero issues, temperatures nor pressures moved. It's an excellent tow vehicle.

[@mattbrew11]

Me either. My gladiator has never been over 240* oil or water and that includes towing around the max up grades in arizona (on 39” tires)

[@michaelsantosuosso7284]

240 is fricking high man, that would freak me out.......I don't like running over 210

[@mattbrew11]

@@michaelsantosuosso7284 modern diesels are completely find there. I sit a 215-220 just cruising around town 260 is danger 265 is derate

[@kevinthiele4532]

Got a new 2021 wrangler sport last year with the diesel and loved it. Got a call earlier this year from the dealership saying they wanted to buy it back. Put 20k miles on it and the resell value was a couple hundred less than the price we purchased at. Ordered a different ecodiesel wrangler and I'm still super happy with both purchases. Never heard of the d rating issue before and living in las vegas have only had throttle issue pulling into traffic once with each wrangler I've had then no problems. Nerve racking as fuck though when you're pulling into traffic with cars coming up quick and there's no throttle response for a second. It becomes a long second

[@quintanadevin]

Good review and definitely will help diesel owners watch out for potential issues. Thx Casey. Curious if you looked at installing a Banks Derringer and Pedal Monster. It is the first thing I did to mine from the get-go (2021 JLURD) and it’s a totally different animal vs stock; it’s extremely fun to drive and still getting 25 mpg combined(almost 30mpg hwy keeping it under 70mph), no issues on transmission and it shifts extremely fast off the line. Mine is one of the fastest of the line and plenty of highway power if you add more fuel. Pedal lag is due to electronics and nothing to do with turbo. I have zero perceived “lag” and it’s quicker than my buddy’s 392 (he’s got stock gearing and 37s) 0-60 running 37s and stock diesel gearing (3.73). I took care of the DEF recall shortly after buying it (under 2K miles) but even before and for the first 10k miles, I consumed less than 5gal/1 tank of DEF and only one regen. That said I live in AZ in PHX and the O2 and climate is very different and might contribute to better efficiency than BC. The other things I don’t deal with is the elements during winter and salt/sand/etc that will effect the emissions system without constant care (I used to live in northern WI and have had to replace emissions several times). Living in AZ I’ve never had De rating and summers are well over 100 degrees on the summer averaging 110+ from end of June-Aug. thinking the lack getting into the dealer caused your issues plus think about all skid plates retaining heat. You don’t need it around exhaust and likely cause some overheating. Never cover exhaust. They can take a beating and if you are bashing them, get some off roaring lessons (being sarcastic of course). After 2 years of owning mine, I’d definitely consider another eco diesel unless they do a Cummins. The Jeep rides way better and steering is better than gassers thanks to heavier diesel and lower center of gravity; stock comparison of course (I have 3.7 and 2.0 in my work fleet and plenty of miles comparing on and off road btw). Diesel isn’t for everyone, there are other costs associated including the 8-9k for motor transmission option, but you do get better performance and it’s till cheaper than a 392 and 4XE and those option have their own drawbacks. Thanks for the opinion and feedback and happy trails all!

[@JohnEngelhardt-gr1ov]

Good response! I also live in Arizona and didn’t know what he was talking about regarding loss of power/ de-rating, has never happened to me. FYI, i own a 2021 diesel wrangler” unlimited

[@FixRepairDaily]

Have you reprogrammed so that the vehicle knows you’re running 37’s. That will make a difference with the transmission lag. As for power, I would get the AFE cold air intake you will gain about 39 pounds of torque I believe🤘🏼 Yeah, it seems like the only problems with a Diesel Jeeps are emissions related in the exhaust. The second my warranty runs out I am straight piping my jeep.🤙🏼

[@tm8747]

the main problem with ALL diesel cars / truck is the manufacture straves the engine for outside air, i have a 2500 dodge diesel, 6.7 l had heating problems in the past, i went with a aftermarket scoop tube mounted on the outside of the fender, . most people hate these scoops because of when traveling in rain, or behind someone blowing dust, or snow, or hail etc, i installed a re-position scoop, , that means in the condition above, i can turn it facing backwards and still maintaining good air flow,. AIR IN THE ENGINE OF A DIESEL IS VERY IMPROTANT, THE MORE AIR , BETTER THE CONDITIONS OF A SMOOTH RUNNING ENGINE, . IN THE MILITARY, WE MADE A SUCKER FAN IT SUCKED MORE AIR INTO THE OUTSIDE TUBE TO COOL THE ENGINE DOWN AND IT WORKED GREAT,. THE SGT. WASNT HAPPY , BUT LATER MADE US BLILD ONE FOR ALL THE TRUCK,S. USED A 4" FAN IN THE BOTTOM OF THE TUBE . ONE MORE THING I WANT YOU O DO IS, PLACE A NYLON STOCKING OVER YOUR AIR FLITER, WHEN YOUR TRAVELING DOWN A DUSTY ROAD OR DUST FROM THE TRUCK IN FRONT OF YOU IT WILL BLOCK ALL THE FINE DUST FROM ENTERING INTO YOUR AIR BOX OR INSIDE THE ENGINE, DUST IS THE WORST THINK ON CYLINDER WALLS OF THE DIESEL ENGINE. in my dodge diesel also i installed 2 12" blower fans to push air through the front of the radiator and the intercooler

[@toddkelly75]

Here comes the 392.

[@DM-yy1mc]

Diesel is the way to go. Sad they are discontinuing it.

[@JohnSmith-bq7gz]

I live in Phoenix which is often referred to as the face of the sun and one the hottest areas on the planet and I’ve never had a derate even towing my trailer. The DEF is such a low expense per miles driven that I don’t even factor it in the cost per mile. I am in a gladiator so there may be some big differences between that and a wrangler.

[@deahelkcunklaer2180]

I'm sorry to hear about your DEF and overheating issues. I'm in SW Florida where it's really hot and have never had any reduced performance issues due to heat. I wonder if your additional skid plating and dirt in your radiator are a problem. I get 21 mpg on 35's city/highway combined and as far as DEF use has been 3 jugs over 20,000 miles. My Jeep isn't as heavy though and I think your rig is laboring with all the additional weight and aero drag.

[@bigbrownmab189]

You forgot about the million dollar oil changes haha lol

[@mattbrew11]

I change my own for about $75.

[@MrSpccdavid]

Imagine that the EGR had an issue. The same problem every single diesel vehicle has across the board now, from Dodge to Peterbilt to John Deere. Thanks governments for making our very expensive vehicles less reliable than necessary.

[@keithbaker1951]

Yep almost like a bunch of unelected people in a massive centralized alphabet agency don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. Almost like they extort wealth thru forced taxation and their only job is to make our lives more difficult. 😉 nothing can ever not be made worse by adding government.

[@nathanklemm179]

I’m sure the new Jeep will be awesome! I’ve heard really good things about the pedal monster with diesel jeeps though. You should try it

[@justinfannon8159]

My ecodiesel went to florida and back from texas, about a 15 hour drive, didn’t even use 1/2 a tank of def

[@MuddyRuttzz]

I’m a diesel lover. Mostly owned all diesels since 1999. Heard VW is bringing back the Scout and it will be electric. I’ll be first in line for that.

[@MrCanadianbacon73]

All your vids have come so far from the beginning keep up the great work buddy

[@Casey250]

Thanks buddy!! Get another Jeep!

[@JendellOverland]

haha PSYCH. I know what you bought, but some of the viewers do not. I thought this was the official announcement especially by the opening. Great video Casey, and thanks for the great revue. I tested out a Gladiator Eco Diesel and was not sold on it, to me it felt gutless at take off, just like you said. I honestly thought these were supposed to be Torque monsters, but that is sadly not the case. I can't wait to see your new ride!

[@seanlee4ty]

I pay $24 usd per tank of def about every 4000 miles but I’m a 2” lift with 33s still

[@Casey250]

I seem to go through alot not def on free way drives at 80mph

[@privateer9181]

deleteign a disel is a 10k per day fine.. or 300k per month

[@alexkaa6351]

Ohoh, Casey is getting a V8! :))

[@mattbrew11]

Ive owned my diesel gladiator for over a year and 24000 miles with all but 21 of those being on 39” tires. Lifetime MPG is over 20 and theres over 1000 offroad miles mixed in. Been absolutely flawless and I would only consider trading it for a 100% ev real convertible offroader.

[@sportscardude]

I’ll bet his new Jeep will have the hemi in it. Unless one of the new new ones with a turbo in-line six. Upon consideration, the lesser gas mileage in the hemi is offset by the increased price of diesel and def, so you will get about the same torque with twice the horsepower for about the same cost per mile with a hemi, and no turbo lag. (Unless the I6 has some serious lag.)

[@Brandon-om5wx]

You should buy a pedal commander if they make one for your vehicle, I drive a diesel truck and the throttle response is so much better, an no lag or not enough to notice.

[@DanielLee-tg3xd]

Gladiator Rubicon... I just got my 4xe...it suits my need in the city, but if i were to order another one purely for adventure, it would definitely be a Gladiator Rubicon... so much more space..

[@mikechadwick57]

Banks would fix the response issue

[@jr23kid]

It’s weird how a lot of places you have to buy bs def for high prices. I live in dc and a 2.5 gallon is around 18 to 21 bucks. But when I went to Florida to see my parents I noticed that bucceyes gas station had def on tap just like diesel or gas. Shit was dirt ass cheap. More states and places should do this for diesel owners.

[@tll2012]

The Derating thing is really concerning the whole point of the Diesel is supposed to be the ability to tow and add more weight. With that said I was able pull my 3500 lb trailer with my JLU Diesel thru Palm Springs in 105 degree heat with no derating. Not much in the way of hills and climbing tho.

[@jesusglopez8430]

Thanks for sharing.

[@Casey250]

Thanks for watching!

[@MuddyRuttzz]

Have 2020 Wrangler Willys Ecodiesel about 23,000 miles on it. 2022 Gladiator Rubicon Ecodiesel 3000miles on that. No problems with either just smiles when I’m crawling up hills pulling my Xventure XV3 trailer. Wife got 26mpg in here Gladiator round trip San Jose to Lake Tahoe.

[@glenludwig9676]

Way to go Casey. You only went through and loved the comments that agreed with you. Nothing to the guy that figured out it was maybe a skid plate issue. Or the guy that has had no issues with eco diesel

[@Casey250]

Hey man, thanks for dropping comments. You ok? I seem to of offended you some how. Ive been on the road for nearly three weeks straight and had multiple videos drop and all my comments come into one spot on an app on my phone. I try to check comments when a video goes up but the rest get buried and I'm off grid a lot. I flip through try to read lots and when I have time respond. Theres nothing else to it. Hope your doing alright and you keep enjoying my vids. Ill be back home in a few days with lots more exciting videos. Cheers

[@glenludwig9676]

You never offended me. Where did you get that from? I feel your reviews on the eco-diesel are unfair considering your mods. Your last update never showed engine light and squiggly little line on dash you spoke of. Why was that ? I enjoy your vids but let’s not lose perspective. I don’t feel you have been totally honest.

[@russiaKGB]

21mpg thas very good fuel economy

[@seankelly8857]

You can probably save money buying your def at a pump at your local truck stop. It’s typically $5/gal where I live vs $25-30 for a 2.5 gal box

[@Casey250]

There are rarely def pumps where we are fueling up unless we are on an interstate on a road trip.

[@onthegasapparel7717]

I'm on 40s Dana 60 axles front and rear 4:88 gears. I've never had the D rating issue and I live in Texas heat. I did experience an oil leak due to the timing chain cover. I drive 85 mph all the time. I plan to drive this motor into the ground and do an engine swap down the road.

[@willrector9716]

Well like I said a long time ago...... put a banks tuner on it..... I live in cali pull trailers in hot heat in 4 lo...... no issues with anything ever... tranny shifts perfect uses hardly any def........ maybe a diesel is just not for you...... some people don't like tons of power and great gas mileage....... you should probably get a 4cyl and all your problems will go away......

[@DirksDiggler]

Hi Casey! Thank you for your update! I sold my ecodiesel jeep wrangler just a few months back and am starting to miss it lol. My question for you and the debate im having is if you were to shop a gladiator, would you go eco diesel or the 3.6. Part of me is leaning towards the 3.6 for it being so reliable, and with fuel costs right now, it might be the better option....also dont have to worry about DEF.

[@Casey250]

Stay tuned 😎

[@DirksDiggler]

@@Casey250 I already know you going with the 392 :)! But out of the 2 options I’m going with, what’s your thoughts?

[@dupton8000]

My strong advice is go jump in a 3.6 Gladiator with the 33S then picture a payload. With 35 to 37 and then picture Pull on that payload and Gladiator up a steep grade and you climbing that. It is absolutely gutless you will be recaring in my opinion gladiators only look good with the minimal 38" tire. I'm sure Casey got the 392 and that is an awesome Set up but most of the guys with only 35 are claiming 13 to 14 miles a gallon gallon def or no def you are gonna you're gonna suffer with these gas prices.

[@DirksDiggler]

@@dupton8000 yeah that’s true. I’ve driven both a 3.6 and the diesel. But like Casey said in previous videos, he would not go back with a diesel and obviously he is getting something different because something about the diesel he doesn’t like. I know the exhaust system is super annoying to have to deal with like he had to. That’s also part of the reason leaning toward the 3.6. I don’t plan to do any real hardcore overlanding, just weekend trips at best, camping, etc. I had 37’s on my gladiator and it looked awesome on the 3.6. It was fairly gutless on the stock 410’s but you can say that with any jeep with the 3.6 lol.

[@gen1c8rs88]

@@Casey250 What about a higher capacity 4 row engine coolant radiator. Also what about a air/oil separator catch can for the EGR system?

[@Alex-tx7dw]

I’ve got a 2021 eco diesel wrangler with 7000km on it. I got the update you spoke of done at the dealer. I did my first oil change on my Jeep at 5000 km and my DEF tank was about half full. If it doubles that like you claim, I would be annoyed too with the extra costs.

[@kent426]

The transmission and engine lag along with DEF fluid is a function of fuel quality. My Ram, MB and Jeep Diesel are very finicky about diesel so i won't buy no name to save a few bucks. I did swap to the KN intake on the jeep and have the AFE boots tubes to make the turbo spool freer. It made a huge difference on my RAM. Too bad you are giving up before installing those things and the Banks tuner. The tranny needs a tow haul mode, I manual shift on long grades, its a common diesel thing. It will pull at low RPM, you add more pedal and add more fuel but your EGT's climb. Turbo Diesel Register has some good articles about dropping to a lower gear to keep your EGT's lower.

[@kent426]

funny enough, here someone covered the how the particulate filter get gummed up at higher turbo temps, which goes back to more throttle at lower RPM's leads to hight EGT's and soot versus dropping to a lower gear to reduce temps should prevent derating. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qne8oJWGbZiGrqM

[@johnkraft5640]

I have the eco diesel Jeep gladiator and wrangler. Modded with 37 inch tires on the gladiator and 40 inch on the wrangler. There is no choice in a power plant if you plan to mod the Jeep with weight of any kind. Gear, tires etc. A diesel electric is the only power plant that will beat what is actually available and this is not an option. When shit hits the fan with mud, sand, and or water. My diesels Jeeps save the day. I have a search and rescue business. The 4XE is a cool machine. If they pair this with the what I heard in the future there will be a 3.0 twin turbo gas engine maybe. Want the ultimate power plant? Diesel electric. Government won’t allow this because it will get too great of fuel mileage.

[@MuddyRuttzz]

Worked for freight trains last 100 years.

[@mattbrew11]

I absolutely love my 3.0JT on 39s

[@sspence65]

never had the derating issue.

[@thatmar1neguy]

Hey Casey, just saw this video which is rather ironic considering the last comment I asked you about your diesel. When you first got it, I did mention that the DEF was a pain in the butt. Keep in mind driving an 18 wheeler I typically do about 4023 km a week if I was to get a diesel JEEP I would try to get an engine sourced from Europe where they’ve been selling the diesel for decades or if I got a new one I would definitely do the DEF delete and it probably do the EGR delete as well great video. Good review though. I can tell you I would never get any EV as long as I can hold out, I’m never getting an EV currently the battery packs are supplied through slave and child’s slave labor in Africa. Granted, you could say the same about a smart phone and laptop and everything else that uses lithium batteries however, the amount of cobalt nickel and lithium is a lot smaller than what’s needed in EV.

[@richardguse3410]

Is the new inline 6 available ? I'm not a Jeep or Chrysler guy but that engine looks like the answer for any longitudinal installations.

[@Casey250]

Not yet it isn't

[@uncommonsense5876]

Have had 2 Jeeps, they both had notorious overheating tendencies. One of them I got brand spankin New. Discovered its a Jeep thing, overheating. Btw, 7:00 welcome to FCA automobile products.

[@jjtjjt3442]

I have a 2020 JLUR D and always love driving it. Very smooth on the highway and has been amazing off-road. Running a 3.5 lift with 37’s and haven’t felt the need to regear. I have taken it on many long road trips through Moab, Colorado, Sand Hollow hitting many level 7-8 trails. The jeep has always performed well in many difficult situations. With my experience the engine has been solid it’s just all the surrounding small parts I had issues with. I would say it’s been in service 3-4 times but there was always a delay getting the parts. They can be on back order for a few month. My only issue was downtime and getting parts in todays world. With my jk that was never down for a week because parts everywhere and easy to fix but love driving the diesel more and will stick with it. Our gladiator with a 3.6 we haven’t had any issues.

[@Unfinished_Thoughts]

The 3rd gen ecodiesel design is actually quite awesome. Very quite yet still has that awesome diesel rumble, incredibly fuel efficient on its segment, and great in emissions since still an option on the gladiator. Diesel comes down to accurate maintenance and overall vehicle care. Use & Abuse will always yield bad results no matter what you own

[@canyonoverland5003]

7:30 The garbage company I work for had a whole bunch of particulate filters plug up. Under normal operation, the DEF will clear the diesel particulates in a process called regeneration. But as you say, this system will eventually fail - usually out of warranty - and it's going to cost the owner tons of money. Stage 1 - 3 the engine becomes derated, but when the DPF is totally plugged up the system goes into Stage 4 which is limp mode - meaning 5 kph max. Major pain in the neck and the wallet. Diesel engine technology is terrific - it's the emissions control that's the problem. Hoping the manufacturers can get this issue sorted out one day. Edit and trivia note: the work truck I drive burns through about 2 litres of DEF per 240 kms per day.

[@joejimenez8068]

Always thanks for your video. Do you have any problem with low plugs and how hard are they to change? Are they covered under warranty by any chance do you know this?

[@Casey250]

I haven't had any issue with them at 60k km. Not sure about the other answers.

[@operation4wheelz]

Owned my 2.2 eco diesel for 1.5 years down under in Australia. Much hotter conditions generally. It seems The 2.2 is such a better fit for the wrangler. More then enough performance and it certainly seems to deal with heat better. It’s a shame it got ditched. It also uses significantly less DEF. 14 litres = 10 - 12000kms. Fuel range 700 - 900kms from 81 litres of diesel

[@johnburnett1974]

Hmmm is it the 4xe ,v6 or the 392. Right now those are the only 3 engine options. Trail recon traded in his 4xe so I don’t think you would chose that one.

[@Casey250]

Ill let you guys know soon.

[@bkdrcn6962]

Don’t forget the 2.0T

[@Dave-vy8wg]

If your vehicle is overheating and it's a diesel clean your air filter

[@Dave-vy8wg]

I towed from Florida to Texas in heat at 70+ mph no problem at all

[@Thexkidd]

Excited to see your new jeep.

[@cjv6186]

What have you heard about the company’s that produce the DEF fluid no longer making it? A friend of mine who is a truck driver said DEF fluid is about to get very expensive and hard to get because these main companies are stopping production of it.

[@Krystof.Veritae]

I bet it’s 392 considering all specs and the fact you drove it already Trail Recon 392 :) can’t go back lol hope you get it considering Jeep is possibly cutting it out in place of the new 3.0 turbo in the near future \_/

[@oklahomaterrain]

I'm guessing the 392, the way your drove Brads 392, something in your head clicked and you paused.

[@billwaterhouse5894]

Love diesels, always have but with todays after treatment systems and low sulfur diesel…no more. Cost here in the US doesn’t help much either. I’m sure you ordered the 392. We have a 2022 4xe rubi which is pretty neat as well

[@Casey250]

Don't be so sure 🙂

[@billwaterhouse5894]

@@Casey250 AMW 707 👍😁

[@billwaterhouse5894]

Ok, so my wife figured it out (😆). If not 392, and not a diesel (it's possible we agree), doubt you would go V6 as its kinda anemic, you said 4xe not ideal for your use...must be turbo 4 banger. Better power than V6, turbo for altitude, better than 4xe mpg/ltr/100 wise as it weighs less.

[@Casey250]

I don't care about getting good fuel economy

[@billwaterhouse5894]

@@Casey250 you're killing me 🤣

[@donmontalvo1]

I'm going to guess you went with a 3.6L JLUR. I don't see much value beyond "cool" for either the Diesel or the 4xe. Especially considering how much offroading you do. :)

[@PeakDecline]

It's a 392. Only logical choice, I don't think he'd trade the EcoDiesel for the 3.6L.

[@davidcarrico3385]

Probably a 392, even though he talked about tank size and range being an issue with the 4xe. But the gas mileage of the 392 effectively makes it a wash with the 4xe range wise for any tank that isn’t 100% highway (and even then, it’s pretty close). The 3.6 or the 4.0 turbo are more practical. By the way, I have a 4xe Rubicon with a steel bumper, winch, lift and 35’s and I get 20 to 21 mpg on the highway on long trips (but not comparable to Casey’s experience with the diesel as I don’t have 37’s or a loaded rack up top which would cut off a couple+ mpg).

[@johnmclean7852]

Thank you for the honesty

[@thepalerider]

What’s the engine temp when it starts derating?

[@masic1st]

My eco-diesel JGC set itself on fire, I drive a Toyota now.

[@mattbrew11]

Toyotas burn too. My 2017 4 runner got lemon law’d for ignition problems (not fire but maybe would have led to that)

[@plattner01]

392 hemi model!!!!

[@Casey250]

🤷‍♂️

[@markim5087]

It should be Not legal to have a jeep or anything that requires diesel fluid and cuts power not allowing you to drive safely if it runs low, that’s like saying it’s legal to cut all but 1 cyl on a v6 or all but 2CyLS on a V8 if your check engine light comes on, it’s simply nuts..they should have a warning light,with a beeping sound come on, then use a exhaust bypass valve to prevent damage to the converters ,and give owners at least 100 miles to get the issue fix just incase a jeep is out in the Desert or something, and unable to get to a garage for repairs..that would also give dealers the ability to log the failure ,and then repair the issue or fill it up,and turn off the light for free..

[@keither7731]

Hi Casey : How about a 392 ?

[@rodgood]

How come Jeep can keep a 392 cool and not a 3 litre ? is it the wonders of DEF?

[@malimusic5533]

What's the camera you're using?

[@pismo6111]

Im guessing your going with the 3.6 for simplicity.Second maybe the 392,mpg is pretty low.

[@richardjones990]

A 392?

[@icare7151]

Now that the eco diesel has been canceled getting parts will be next to impossible.

[@richardnoggen1674]

Love your channel from Nanaimo! ❤

[@Casey250]

Thanks so much. Hi from Victoria

[@euroamericabusiness]

I don't know why you make it such a mystery when we all know you ordered a 392....🤷‍♂️

[@y40ll]

Diesel vehicles are driven much more in Europe, so we learned how to solve problems. That EGR repair, which requires replacing the entire system is pure nonsense, especially on a car with low miles, because they don't want to go through the hassle of replacing parts. Replacing the EGR is not complicated at all. Often, simple removal and cleaning of the EGR can solve the problem, because particles of unburnt diesel cause it to get stuck and remain open, or closed, which is the better solution. And the used EGR itself costs about $150 for that engine, new is about $500.

[@SurvivaLust]

At around 13:40 you mention which motor to get if you want the best fuel economy.....I won't dispute what you say but I have a 2019 Jeep Rubicon completely modified with a Thule Roof Top Tent and replaced both bumpers and bigger wheels and tires.....I get on average 18 MPG in town and about close to 20 mpg on Hwy. I have the 2.0 Turbo gas model. I don't understand why your diesel motor is not getting upwards of 20 and above? I had a diesel once brand new chevy truck in 06 that got less than the gas motor and I was totally bummed out....the Dealership told me that it was because I didn't have enough miles on the motor and it was not broke in yet.....I asked how long does that take to get the full advantage of a diesel motor? They said at least 50k. For me unless we are talking about torque I have not reason to even look at them with all of the problems you have mentioned.....not to mention that diesel fuel is more as well. Thanks for this video.

[@aleksandaarr]

I just got this disel wrangler and I’m wondering how to check and how will know when I have to fill up with DEF liquid?

[@Casey250]

The def gauge

[@vdub5818]

The trans is awesome but for sure the tuning is softened hardcore. Love the 8hp75 in our ecodiesel but I just drove my buddy's new M3 competition with the 8hp76. Incredible how good the trans is in said platform. Shift aggressiveness is selectable withe the most aggressive being quite violent for a torque converter auto. It is no wonder why BMW changed from their DCT to the ZF 8hp.

[@justinfoy7514]

As a guy who has watched you a while now, I have to ask, where is the JK and are you going to thrash it on the island trails again anytime soon?

[@grizzlycountry1030]

That's not really hot when translated to Fahrenheit especially if you spend alot of time in desert.

[@johnfrank4558]

Love my Willy'$ diesel Gladiator... Having no issues n live in Florida.. It's. A boss and hauls ass

[@joshuarayborn]

Delete kit

[@shotamamukashvili4763]

Would you consider a manual transmission?

[@2023startingCA]

it was said that not endurable... is it true?

[@maryumlee9892]

Are u de-rating with your air conditioner running?

[@bryanstaten5585]

I guess i missed, are you still stock or have any flash/tune?

[@Casey250]

Stock tune

[@mabelpup8502]

These fellas aren’t mall crawling these Jeeps. They are driven hard. That may be some of their big issues. Most people will mall crawl these without issues

[@SuperSilence23]

Let me guess, a 392. That wasn’t to hard

[@Legend869]

delete emissions and tune Bam! no more overheating

[@dhawthorne2972]

not sure why no one is mentioning changing out the thermostat

[@markim5087]

That’s dumb battery location, fused box is just asking for water..and worrying about a 3.0 eco diesel DRATING as they call it, guess it means it’s pulling power in certain conditions..ok to get rid of what ys calling D RATING..install all the air cooling you can, IE intercooler , pipes DP’s ,larger radiator, larger oil cooler , additional cooler for the turbo, add a coating for the exhaust and turbo housings , install a tune,CAT BACK, add vents for air in ,and air out of the hood compartment, relocate your pcm, and ecm to inside the cab while installing a secondary AC tube to cool the ECM,& PCM box behind glove box area..also you need to find out what conditions trigger the DRATING , and then if it’s temperature, add a resistor, to your harness to trick the ECM into thinking the temp is lower, just make sure the wiring going to the gauge and fueling isn’t effected by the resistor..problem fix..although I think the last item might be the ticket anyway..