Casing Coir Lovers, Discussion on Pros and Cons of Shoeboxes, and Preventing Blobs

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Hello Mycophiles! In today's video I go over my recent practice of casing coir lovers as a means to offset my unmodified shoeboxes from drying out. Doing this has also had the fortunate unforeseen consequence of completely eliminating side/bottom fruits. It has also greatly benefitted my flushes and yield as well.
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[@Mycophilia]

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[@shine9680]

What thew difference between the 2. YOU MENTION YOU HAVE VIDEOS EXPLAINING BUT I CANT FIND THEM.

[@Mycophilia]

Difference between what @@shine9680 ?

[@urbanyeti659]

Sage, you already know people want to see how you make/pasteurize a casing layer. Comeon widdit, man! Thanks for all the work and thought you put into your channel. Much respect. ✌️

[@Mycophilia]

Thank you 😊

[@Shunya0101]

You said my thoughts exactly.😂

[@RawTubeTV]

Yes, I would like to see a video on preparing and pasteurization of casing layer!!! Thanks, Sage!

[@Eg0sol]

you posted this at the perfect time for me I've been researching about this

[@Mycophilia]

Awesome 😎

[@bqoutdoors2334]

Another great vid brother 🍄🤙🏼👊🏼

[@huntintrailmetals9343]

Thanks for giving us this great content probably the best on the tube! Your professional technique is very important and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!!

[@Mycophilia]

Thank you! 😊

[@TheDarkArtist66]

Your content is gold. Through your trials and tribulations, wins and losses, what ever you might want to call it, others journey into this becomes much more "fruitful" lol and less of a "walking in blind" experience. Thanks man. I really enjoy your videos

[@Mycophilia]

Thank you, appreciate it! 😊

[@daviddejarnette]

Sage!!!! What's good!!! So glad and thankful to be able to tune into this and your knowledge and tune out of the day!!!! Mush appreciation!!!!

[@Mycophilia]

Hey David! Glad to see you here :) BTW check your email!

[@depraved420]

I like those tubs, I tried one out but I had a black mold situation that managed to get in everything. The fae is nice in those things, definitely gonna get more. Thanks for the video bro

[@Allaboutpie]

I ended up casing mine with cvg. Put them in fruiting conditions to early and over misted them. I let them air out but noticed a blueish color on the mycelium. Thought it was contamination but it was not. There are now an insane amount of pinning and its thanks to these videos. Thanks for all you do. It made it all possible.

[@Allaboutpie]

One question though. Do you wait till you see primortia before you introduce fruiting conditions? Mine did not have primortia when I put them into fruiting conditions and I thought I may have messed up. You should also do a video about over misting. It apparently caused the mycelium to bruise and I thought it was contamination. It was pretty hard to find that information. It would be a very helpful video considering no one has a video about this. Thanks again. Your one of the very few best out there.

[@Mycophilia]

Thank you! Glad to hear you’re having success. There’s two camps, fruiting at spawn or making a distinction between fruiting and colonizing conditions. I do both on a whim, ultimately either way you’ll get mushrooms. So you didn’t mess anything up other than over misting. But if you were going to grow in 2 phases, then you initiate fruiting conditions when the substrate is fully (or almost fully) colonized.

[@LAndOfAngelsClothing]

I did the same thing I’m seeing a lot more mycelium growth ❗️ hopefully I get a mushroom

[@deannacollins4535]

I love your videos. I had my first flush. I think I had a problem with the moisture. I’d love to see a video on making casing layers

[@vibinmycology]

Great stuff as usual!

[@Mycophilia]

Thanks 😊

[@bigbluebabyturtle]

Yes, please please please do a video on the Instapot and all the ways you CAN use it effectively!!! 🍄🙏🍄 Another great video Sage, thanks again, lots of useful information 💙🍄💙

[@Mycophilia]

Great news for you! I already have one! kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2LNe56mr8mWhK8

[@oldboots75]

Cheers Sage 🍄❤️

[@Mycophilia]

Cheers Zoots!

[@stevekallal2357]

You have a very dry home! Thanks for the help and the videos.

[@legendno1]

more videos..all subjects Myco are welcome and appreciated🎉 patreoned up

[@Mycophilia]

Thank you 😊

[@NikkiCarwan-lh5ud]

Sage I want to see how you do coir lovers substrate!

[@MacCelium]

Your casing advice continues to rock! Best harvest yet. I was wondering about "re-casing" after a harvest? Any value? Also, if we need to cut vs. pull, any suggestion on managing the "stumps"? Just let them be or is it worth covering them? FWIW, I started using a Jiffy / CC blend and it seems to outperform either one individually. I wanted to create a different, but familiar casing for the little shroomies (who the hell knows why), kind of like in nature. That 1st couple inches is in constant flux. Thanks for all you great info!

[@Katimashi]

I dig it sage

[@Mycophilia]

🕺

[@Stargazer804]

I tried a jiffy mix casing layer that was pasteurized and so far the results have been very nice. Only a few side pins and pretty heavy

[@christianlamb2276]

Peat moss and vermiculite works well as a substrate for poo lovers. I also use perlite for casing works pretty good less chance of contamination pasteurize both for substrate

[@Shroomboy81]

I use peat moss and vermiculite for my casing layer. I have fully sterilised it, will this still be good for poo lovers?

[@Jamesim82]

Please do a video on your pasteurization and PH correction of your casing layer. I've gone the bucket tek for pasteurization and have added a little pickling lime to the boiling water to try to PH adjust it, but if there's a recipe (a certain amount of pickling lime to a gallon of distilled water that should always be the right amount for adjusting Jiffy Mix -- since both should have a pretty steady PH level prior to adjusting -- that would be way easier than trying to get accurate PH readings of a casing layer) I'd love to see a video on that.

[@Mycophilia]

I just buy jiffy mix seed starting mix to avoid that process, but if I ever decide to make my own casing I’ll make a video on it. Thanks for the suggestion 😊

[@Jamesim82]

Do you not have to pasteurize or PH correct Jiffy Mix? If not, I'll just grab some of that. If you do have to pasteurize and/or PH correct Jiffy Mix, and I misunderstood you, a video of that process would be awesome.

[@Stargazer804]

Awesome video Sage! I was wondering about your opinion on using strait verm as a casing layer and do you pasteurize your casing? I have used verm in the past and it definitely helped but I've never used anything else.

[@Mycophilia]

Verm can work in a pinch but it is pretty much the worst on the list for casing layers. It is incomparable to what I talk about here.

[@len73-]

If i lived somewhere that wasn't backward would i use a casing layer for b+ or golden teachers?

[@MacCelium]

Thanks Sage! I've completely changed my ABC fruiting / casing strategy thanks to your experience and perspectives, and I've had the better success than ever. We also have low humidity uo here in the mountains, so hydration is always a challenge. The casing (not just a pseudo-casing :) has made a significant difference. I did have a question regarding the Jiffy Casing. To date I've just used my bulk substrate, but I want to move to Jiffy. Our bags here are bone dry so I'm sure I need to add water...but how much? Q Q Q: What is the target hydration level of the Jiffy? Field cap? And yes, would love a casing layer vid.

[@Mycophilia]

Field cap 👍 just like the coir, then mist heavily after spawning, then as needed

[@TerpyTen]

So which ones are coco loving and which need a casing layer? I've grown "dung Loving" varieties in Coco and didn't have problems. Even grew PE without a casing layer. Sure i got weird slug blobs the first flush and normal mushrooms the second flush. Now i have a Martha tent and i can't get anything to fruit in there. Is it because I'm not getting 100% humidity? Like i did in monotubs

[@Genix718]

I pasteurize my subs using a sous vide it works great!

[@Mycophilia]

Sous vide is great for that purpose! :)

[@GuiltyPeanut]

Great video dude found you 2 months ago and enjoying it throughly currently have 2 monos that have possibly stalled due to cold weather we’ve been having recently but have 6 shoeboxes taking off on a heat pad in a cardboard box

[@philipholman9898]

Been looking for a list of what mushrooms like what substrate, casing. Is there such a list?

[@darladawn1111]

I love your channel and really appreciate that you answer questions. I follow you now more than others for that reason. That being said, I have another question for you, lol. This last run of oats I did, I allowed to dry for too long. It was 3 days ago that I sterilized them. What should I do to rehydrate? I'm going to use pint jars this time instead of quart. Have been having good results with my quart jars but would really like to speed up my colonization time. So far, the jars with spores colonized just as fast as agar, and my LC is only colonizing slightly faster (think the oats may have been too wet in that instance but not entirely sure).

[@Mycophilia]

This video will help :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmqTp5mEa86Dga8

[@Mycophilia]

After I posted this video I added an extra 20cc in total as 10cc was not enough.

[@darladawn1111]

@@Mycophilia excellent, thank you for the update and reply!

[@kienkien6127]

I put three coir lovers shoe boxes into FC last week and was getting myc piss. I was trying to give it more FAE but it keeps drying out even though I was misting it. Your other video on fruiting conditions made me realize they were drying out because of my central air. The mycelium looks like it stalled for a few days. I applied another pseudo casing layer and put it in my martha tent. The humidifier is on 6 times a day and fan on 4 times a day. Hopefully, I did it right. It looks like the mycelium is colonizing the new casing layer.

[@Mycophilia]

Yeah any type of fan can quickly dry out those tubs! Hope it goes well for you in the tent 🍀

[@mikeinnj4424]

Central air is a bit of a unique problem in that a lot of growers don’t have it. It definitely dries things out and add a lot of FAE. Put it up high and out of air flow, should be better results. Again, each environment is a little different at best so find what works for you. My central air in winter is great for drying but summer is tough all around. 👍🤷‍♂️ Wish you all the success in the world!

[@kienkien6127]

@@mikeinnj4424 thanks! I actually kept the lid on the shoe boxes with it cracked a little bit inside the Martha tent. Hopefully, the humidifier can keep it from drying and the fan can still give it FAE. I don’t plan to take those lids off full time. Maybe this will give it a better environment than leaving it out side the tent.

[@mikeinnj4424]

I always look forward to your vids, thank you! Question, after the flush and rehydration, is it ok to put more coir to fill in the gaps and subsequently add more moisture?

[@Mycophilia]

No, I would not do that as it will require energy to recolonize, and simply wholly unnecessary. I would recommend getting out of the mindset of trying to make a grow last as long as possible, and into a mindset of doing more shorter grows, as you will ultimately make better use of your time and get many more mushrooms that way. The vast majority of your nutrition is already gone after the second flush.

[@mikeinnj4424]

@@Mycophilia thanks, I WAS focused on getting several flushes as I saw the greatest chance of error in the steps leading up to colonization and didn’t think of the energy being consumed by the organisms. Thanks for helping me refocus!

[@Mycophilia]

@@mikeinnj4424 glad I could help 😊

[@ScottWConvid19]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and passion

[@TerpyTen]

Also what kind of casing is best for what mushrooms? I just did a 50/50 peat/vermiculite gypsum casing today on coco, vermiculite, gypsum substrate .It's been a month and they're just not fruiting.... I've grown there's varieties many times and never had issues in monotub. I really hope I didn't invest all this money into this stupid Martha tent for no reason

[@thecocktailoasis1849]

By Jiffy Mix, do you mean the “seed starting” mix sold in bags? In response to your question, yes I would appreciate a vid on how to prepare a casing layer. Cheers!

[@Mycophilia]

Yes that's the one :)

[@ScottWConvid19]

​@@MycophiliaMan, it's not Jiffy Corn Bread mix?😂

[@Shroomboy81]

Hey Sage what's up.... I have poo lovers finishing up colonising the bulk at the moment. I have made a 50/50 mix of peat moss and fine vermiculite and Ph adjusted it and fully sterilised it. Have I screwed up by fully sterilising it? Do poo lovers need the microbes you mention in the video, or is my casing layer good to go? Cheers man

[@Mycophilia]

I would definitely pasteurize rather than sterilize. I would personally remake the casing

[@user-xx8hp1sp3p]

how do you know which species like which substrate you say coir lovers or poo but how do you know

[@Gutheck]

Coir lovers like cococoir, vermiculite, gypsum. Poo lovers like manure. If you're wondering on a specific strain, try looking it up, and you should be able to find if it's a coir or poo lover. If you're a beginner, I highly recommend coir. It's easier to start out with. Good luck!

[@dustinewing6767]

I never use a casing layer. I ALWAY "SEND BULK STRAIGHT TO FRUITING CONDITIONS" no matter if it's a DUBB or Mono Tubs running "ZOMBIE TEK aka SIT & FORGET TEK." NOW when it comes to "PE VARIETIES" I DO USE A CASING LAYER If I'm using a "MANURE BASED SUB" to stop "BLOBING", NOW if I'm using CVG or 50/50, I will drop a casing layer if I feel the cake is a little on the dry side. But thanks for letting me chime in with my two cents.

[@philipholman9898]

Can we get a list of grass/coir/ poo lovers? Which ones thrive in what substrate

[@whitefordpipeshandmadebymi7238]

Yes I would also like this as I get confused about what is what when it comes to coir , grass , or poo lol

[@ItsCheechFool]

If I don’t have sterilize or pasteurize my case layer I will use peat moss then and ph it

[@Mycophilia]

I recommend doing that, but pasteurizing it also for 1.5 hours.

[@kailicht3885]

Hey Mycophilia, how do I know if a truffle is a coir or a Grass lover? I want to start to clone some and want to have the Right grain🤔

[@Mycophilia]

Species reference key on the description

[@christianlamb2276]

I also grow galidos ,trying to get them to fruit. Was wandering what temp range. I have been watching your vids for information

[@Mycophilia]

A little more sensitive to cold ime to coir lovers, I’ve had a few cold winds at night cause them to abort. But really not that different.

[@Mycophilia]

Btw Galindoi is actually Florida grasslovers

[@sativaburns6705]

I've been looking for this info. I recently visited a myco shop here in Denver. I wanted a full kit but they sent me away with some popcorn bags and a syringe. Said I could fruit from the bag as is. But I should at least do a pseudo casing?

[@Mycophilia]

are the bags just purely popcorn and nothing else? AKA no substrate? If that's the case then I would just buy some coir and a tub (size depending on how much grain you have), and spawn to bulk lol. It would be an absolute waste to fruit with just popcorn.

[@sativaburns6705]

@@Mycophilia thanks for the reply! Yeah just popcorn with a PE variant. I think it's a 3 lb bag. I have a little Martha set up and for a first run I wanted to fruit in bag, hoodie tek. One bag is nearly fully colonized after a break and shake about a week ago. I'm a little disappointed in the advice from the shop.

[@slimgrows]

Listen to Sage spawn to bulk dun fruit from the block like they are instructing

[@stricnine69]

I would like to see a video on the substrate pasteurization. I am completely new to mycology and have my first shoebox colonizing as i type this. I think it will be ready to go to fruiting tomorrow. I notice your shoe boxes have no holes drilled in them and im seeing mixed advice on this. Do you think its required to fruit or will just fanning work to fruit?

[@Mycophilia]

No fanning or modifications necessary with shoeboxes! Fanning is very outdated for tubs, it’s really only done still for SGFC grows (basically don’t worry about it)

[@ScottWConvid19]

​@@MycophiliaSGFC?

[@stricnine69]

@@Mycophilia awesome, then to introduce fruiting conditions i just need to mist the tub and allow 12 hours of light?

[@Mycophilia]

@@ScottWConvid19 shotgun fruiting chamber

[@Mycophilia]

@@stricnine69 don’t worry too much about light, they’ll grow fine with minimal light (don’t want to grow in a closet but ambient room light is fine). Doesn’t have to be 12 on 12 off like clockwork, they’re in the dark while I’m asleep and in the light while I’m awake (or the sun’s up). Mist also only when necessary, I only have to mist a lot because I live in a dry environment. Some people don’t have to mist at all until the first flush is done.

[@gabrielsowder9597]

What are the best coir loving strains?

[@notme1345]

Jedi mind fuck

[@crapisnice]

why not clay ceramic

[@jhenry7406]

Question,are you doing everything at room temperature?

[@Mycophilia]

Yes

[@Mycophilia]

I might turn up the heat if it’s cold, and open the window when it’s hot. No AC though. If it’s comfortable for you, it’s comfortable for the mushrooms.

[@D0CT0R420]

Automatic thumbs 👍

[@Mycophilia]

thanks Doctor!

[@docphillips3291]

🍄🍄🍄

[@psilt]

and I thought running it at 82 degrees was hot lol

[@ginabee]

How thick of a casing layer do you put on a shoebox?

[@Mycophilia]

No more than a quarter inch max

[@ginabee]

@@Mycophilia thank you. And the jiffy mix doesn’t need to be pasteurized?

[@aaronjohnson7347]

If you could help a new guy? What are Coir lovers, poo lovers, grass lovers?? Lost in space... Thanks,

[@joerok5008]

Did you just leave your tubs on the table like that?

[@Mycophilia]

For the video but sometimes I do leave them on the table, other times on a shelf.

[@InknbeansPress]

3:11

[@jwood420]

😮❤😮

[@Rolandfart]

Case those nats thick! They eat everything indiscriminately

[@Mycophilia]

💀

[@philipholman9898]

Anybody try wax paper Tek?

[@whitefordpipeshandmadebymi7238]

I'm using similar,I'm using Buble wrap , but it's for my wood lover so can't say about normal mush

[@philipholman9898]

@@whitefordpipeshandmadebymi7238 cool. I got some bubble wrap with some new monotubs im gonna try one to see the difference.

[@dustinewing6767]

Yeah I have never tried the wax paper Tek to for even pin set. As they said below I have used bubble wrap in the past. But if you get you mositure content right. And run a liner or not, it's up to you. I mean some folks say a liner prevents side pinning, and others say it don't. I like a liner for 2 reasons. (#1) I prefer a liner so when it's time to harvest I have a way to pick up the cake, and keep together. Before anyone saids you don't need a liner. Just float the cake and it rehydrates the cake. Yeah I know but I have had cakes in the past split on me, corners break off on me. I just prefer it to keep my cakes nice. Besides if your mositure content is right. You usually don't need to mist/rehydrate the cake till after second flush. And still I just give the cake a nice heavy misting or pour H20 down the corners of the cakes. (#2) As the cake shrinks it keeps the micro climate for the cake IME also prevents side pins. Focusing everything to the top of the cake for pin sets. But like I said at the beginning of this novel. LoL my bad. To each is own, some say it does prevent, and some say it does not.

[@TheStoneMan.Official]

Ooooo Nats 👀 🗿👌👍🤟

[@lukeblizzard5909]

Where is his list of what coir lovers, grass lovers, poo lovers amd what about wood lovers? Im sp.fking confused😅

[@Mycophilia]

Go to the ‘resources’ tab on mycosage :)

[@SnakeEater503]

Put the pasteurized vid out already. Jeez.

[@Mycophilia]

😂 noted!

[@D0CT0R420]

I only got 1 min to pee tho lol

[@phobia8879]

a shoebox for shoes has nothing to do with fae lol

[@Mycophilia]

… 🙃

[@elif.4199]

These are called shoebox's because we mushroom people called them that because they are the size of a shoebox.. not because they are actually made for shoes to have FAE. Dafuq

[@Mycophilia]

Derp www.amazon.com/STERILITE-6-Quart-Storage-Bin-Shoe/dp/B08DTH5NMC/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_maf_2?crid=3R75HEQC83Z7D&keywords=sterilite+shoebox&qid=1699222104&sprefix=sterilite+shoebox%2Caps%2C181&sr=8-2

[@aaronjohnson7347]

Once again. "Coir lovers" "grass lovers". Please define for newbies. For me it's pure jibberish...

[@RugMann]

I saw this dude in an Amazon review using some kind of an Orbeez-tec lol i think he was using the orbeez as a casing layer on some albino PEs to help the top of the substrate retain moisture. What are your thoughts on this? I can send you the video he posted if you're interested

[@Mycophilia]

Not a fan of orbeez, a casing layer maintained properly is much more effective. If your environment is fine, there is absolutely no need for a casing layer, let alone orbeez. Coir lovers grow fine without them, it’s just that in my situation a casing layer helps a lot.

[@RugMann]

@Mycophilia Thanks so much for the reply!! I live in a very humid climate already and have my shoeboxes in a confined space so i think a casing layer might not be that necessary for me. I might try it out with a later flush though and test the results. Personally orbeez wouldn't be my first choice either lol