Castle Super Beast Clips: Nintendo- Am I Out Of Touch? No, it's the gamers who are wrong

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[@aidan4252]

"Friendship is weakness. I will unlock the true power of the Sharingan."-Nintendo on Mario Maker 2

[@DajuOnYoutube]

That one stuck out as wierd to me because I could almost swear they even used the word "friends" in their reveal of the multiplayer functionality. Something like "Make sure to tag your created levels with multiplayer in mind so that friends who want to duke it out can find it".

[@francescolombardi3438]

EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK

[@colingznetworkplus4618]

Meaning that they will never master the power because of how slow that multiplayer mode is

[@iannordin5250]

Nintendo is simultaneously stuck in 2034 and 2004

[@FredCracklin]

This is probably the best thing anyone has said in this comment section. I applaud you good sir.

[@SirPainsalot]

GF is on their own separate from Nintendo, they're a tiny company that's basically independent and in control of a huge franchise that they have no idea how to handle.

[@skeetersfunhouse4002]

SirPainsalot YEAH BUT THEYRE FILTHY FUCKING RICH AND HAS HAD 10 YEARS TO EXPAND

[@manadrivexl]

@@skeetersfunhouse4002 Hush, they're a small indie company, they're doing their best. Please understand.

[@thatMayvie]

I wish they had some of the people from the Mario Odyssey team or something... The environments in the new Pokémon game look like they're from a PS2 game.

[@akramirez]

That's fuckin bullshit

[@onimaxblade8988]

I can respect keeping the team small, but clearly it's too fucking small.

[@kingoftropes922]

Nintendo is the DEFINITION of the grandpa of the video game industry. Cool guy, pretty chill, self made man with wholesome values, but god damn is he living in the past with some of his shit. "Oh i can't wrap my head around this newfangled technology, I'll just stick to the way dad, the way america did, because it's worked out well so far.' You tap icons on a screen to open programs, shut up old man, get with the times.

[@vampuricknight1]

It is both their greatest strength and weakness. On the one hand they are never doing what their competition or the industry in general dictates, and this means many of their titles are extremely innovative and refreshing to play when every other major studio is chasing and failing at the current fad. On the other hand it means they are woefully out of touch with basic quality of life mechanics that have been solved for decades. It also means they need to waste development time on alternatives to these basic quality of life mechanics, most of which tend to be mediocre solutions or outright abominations that actively hurt the experience of the player.

[@Copperhell144]

And the very most important reason for their success was quality checking, the way America distinctly didn't do. Catch up already you mofos

[@zaneseibert]

Old Man Ninty: "They might cheat their saves!" Everyone: "But they might lose their saves and they'll figure out how to cheat no matter what you do." Ninty: "... But they could cheat easier though!"

[@EbonMaster]

Yeah thats a thing that made me chuckle a bit. Arent Nintendo consoles usually like the easiest to break and mod for? lol

[@bmmbooshoot]

"I lost my treasured acnh save!! guess I gotta hack my switch and use the save editor! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

[@Xwartu]

EbonMaster They weren’t aware of that when this was first a controversy. But yeah there’s a hardware malfunction that’s intrinsic to most switches

[@EbonMaster]

@@Xwartu But from what i remember, most of their recent consoles have been like that. I mean for instance smash bros mods are a thing and have been for a while lol.

[@TheTexasDice]

Do you know why the battlefrontier; a massive post game area from Pokemon Emerald didn't make it into the remakes of Ruby and Saphire? The guy said "youngsters are too attached to their phones nowadays, so they can't focus if the game is too long. So we are cutting this out because they wouldn't play it anyways". This is fucking outrageous.

[@JackOfen]

Wasn't "phones" also their excuse to never make a new Pokemon Snap?

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

"They can't focus if the game is too long." *IT'S A FUCKING* *POST-GAME* *QUEST.* How the fuck did they make that batshit crazy logic?

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Reminds me of when the devs of fire emblem warriors said they wouldn't add characters from old fire emblem games because it would be 90 percent of sword fighters Then the game came out with 90 percent of sword clones

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@ImmaLittlePip Almost none of the sword units in FEW are actually clones, but keep going. I know, kinda ironic when every bow unit and any shared unit type otherwise is a clone.

[@somethingwitty3300]

This is why I don't want a remake of Platinum anymore. Platinum probably had the most post game behind Emerald and I'd bet all that shit is getting trashed

[@Bluvoo]

the way nintendo runs their company and develops games/hardware is the textbook definition of a double-edged sword

[@madthrasher88]

lisky daisu

[@MrBda241]

For Animal Crossing, Nintendo has until March 20, 2020 to actually retract that "no Cloud Save" option, it's a game that is primarily just to have fun, it's a game that has no business not having Cloud Save. Nintendo's selling point for their online subscription is Cloud Save, but they just keep refusing to use it.

[@sousedmonk7418]

I bet dollars to donuts that they're locking saves down because of the same-console multiplayer stuff they're cramming in. I just wish I could make sense out of the logic behind it. They put Mr. Resetti out of work for this! They did my boy dirty!

[@cranktherider4302]

Hey so how did that end up panning out? (thats a genuine question, i dont play AC)

[@MrBda241]

@@cranktherider4302 Well it took them a while, but they finally put in cloud saving, and recently put in Save transfer for island. People are angry that it took so long and for Nintendo to use that as a selling point for their next update. One hand, it sucks that it wasn't on there on launch day, and people calling it an unfinished game. On the other, They are free updates that tie in with real world timing. For me, I haven't played it for a month, it doesn't keep my interest that long.

[@cranktherider4302]

@@MrBda241 That's honestly more of a concise explanation than I was expecting, and it also seems about par for the Nintendo course. Thank you for the update!

[@Boomblox5896]

@@MrBda241 I honestly quit playing this game before anything else beyond the June Update because progress for my "dream town" was very slow and I just didn't get anything I really wanted. Also I was tired of those turnip scammers that ask for a buy-in price or a cut of your profits to either buy/sell turnips at someone's island.

[@JackOfen]

Remember: GameFreak were too dumb to fit Johto into a GameBoy Color cartridge. Iwata had to show up and show them how to code properly and then there was even enough space to fit Kanto in.

[@Khotgor]

Is that why Gen 2 is one of the better gens?

[@JackOfen]

@@Khotgor Yes, Iwata was a genious when it came to programming.

[@SG-bp4lg]

"If we were out of touch upset customers would be contacting us via our telegram and complaining"

[@adams3627]

"There are no smoke signals on the horizon tellinf us we're bad, that means we're doing a great job!"

[@ShyRanger]

And like less than 10 minutes after this discussion, they talk about how cool it is that Nintnedo is hard-pushing Platinum. The duality of this company is strong.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

They make these great products so you can forget how shitty they are.

[@Nu1ax]

Atleast the pay is good... Atleast...

[@ghostfear2011]

I suspect this is why they’re partnering with Microsoft more. Might as well partner with a company who did online services right the first time back during the Xbox era.

[@heckingfurre863]

They also killed it forever not too long after.

[@Copperhell144]

Oh you mean by charging money for it?

[@PanmasterAtArms]

@@Copperhell144 Xbox Live didn't have dogshit connectivity in comparison to Nintendo's online. At least they can justify making you pay for it by having good connectivity.

[@Copperhell144]

@@PanmasterAtArms I don't pay my PC itself any extra subscriptions to have good connectivity, so they can't justify jack shit.

[@TitanSix]

I legitimately think their aversion to online is basically them saying "Our business rivals do these things, thus we will not." They're suuuuuch a Japanese company, they refuse to change because that will mean their rivals win because those companies came up with it before them. Just an idea, anyway. Their hatred of Sony goes back to the early 90s (and that is Nintendo's fault in the first place), y'know.

[@GoStReKoN]

Pat's comment about swimming in Tri was so on-point it hurt. I love 3 Ultimate, it really made me binge the series. But jesus, I don't miss swimming.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

3U was my first MH game and the swimming sections nearly killed the game for me (making the end boss of low-rank a pure underwater fight was such a dick move).

[@IShadowStrykerI]

I would like to point out that pokemon actually changes pretty significantly mechanically between games, and whats worse is that any pokemon fan can tell you hey usually add one or two cool things while removing 4 or 5 that were amazing tldr: pokemon is the definition of one step forward and two back

[@makoncrayley]

It's like they're actively trying to find out the right method to get people to stop liking the series so they can escape from it. "People like following pokemon? Better take that out. They think the PSS is good? Better change it to something more tedious. Dex nav got big love? Never having that again"

[@IShadowStrykerI]

@@makoncrayley "join avenue and super training are great for saving time for casual and veteran players alike scrap em"

[@bluefighter4612]

I just want my pokemon to follow me in the workd

[@coreylemon]

@@bluefighter4612 And I want to pet and feed the little fuckers. Let me beat up my dumb PvE enemies and play with my adorable digital animals.

[@tonlito22]

Let's not forget the gradual design changes from more animalistic Pokemon to more doll like or mascot like designs.

[@CaptainSamsquanch]

Random notes of interest I want to make in case woolie or pat actually read comments. -Double battle triple battle AND the never talked about but really fantastic rotation battle all made it into xy. -triple battle and rotation battle did not make it to sunmoon however. not sure why. -Pat mentions needing to create overworld animations for pokemon in swordshield, sunmoon had walking AND running animations for all 803 pokemon (PLUS their mega forms plus any alternate forms some pokemon might have) that went unused in the game. -these walking and running animations were used in lets go pikachu and eevee. but since those games only feature 151 pokemon, a good 750 or so have still gone unused (give or take a few specific moments + megas and all that). -that's mostly unrelated but it does tell you that needing to create new animations for the wild area in swordshield is mostly a non issue, and something they'd be wasting their time on with the exception of winged pokemon looking goofy. -Pokemon fans want nothing more than quality of life changes, we want the best without it becoming different, not everything to stay identical. A lot of pokemon fans during the DS era agreed that HeartGoldSoulSilver had the best use of the bottom screen. there was no watch bullshit or infrared stuff. it was menu buttons and item toggles, everything that it needed to be. -This was until the PSS (player search system) came to xy. it was like a consistent update on which of your friends was online, what they were doing, who around you locally was playing pokemon, as well as a feed of random strangers on the internet you can ask to battle or trade with at any moment. it was fucking fantastic. -Sun and moon replaced this with a plaza system that was clunky and really confusing initially (and still sort of is I have no idea the fucks going on with it) and was agreed upon to be a downgrade. -Imagine my last few points about the bottom screen, with the applications going from ok to great to weird and not so useful to perfect to shitty again. apply this to every single aspect of the series. not necessarily in the same order, but this whole series is a roller coaster of nonsense is mainly what I'm getting at. -This happens every generation. it's ridiculous. I'm gonna be spewing some made up numbers but it pretty much reads like this just as an example of how it feels. each gen introduces 25 new ideas some good some bad. then in gen following gen, about 5 of those are brought back as they were. 5 are improved, 5 will become infinitely worse and ruin what made them enjoyable, and the other 10 will just not exist anymore. -Every new generation has some genuinely great ideas on how to improve the world of pokemon and if they were to build on these ideas instead of whateverthefuck it feels like they actually do, then swordshield would be gearing up to be the best games to ever exist, as opposed to people having panic attacks over it. -Every Pokemon is someones favorite.

[@LeonStephan]

They don't. They barely acknowledge chat in Twitch. Whenever they stream stuff they assume no one is watching. Unless you pay. If you pay money THEN they'll read you.

[@CaptainSamsquanch]

@@CynicalZielony that's not fair, phione isn't a pokemon it's an accident.

[@Kermthefrog]

Pretty sure rotation battles didn't return in Sun and Moon due to technical issues. The game would run really sluggish in double battles, rotation battles probably would've been unbearably slow.

[@mrmwm5446]

Essence Wolf Add double battles to that, I dont think they were dropped since their conception in Gen 3.

[@Twotwentytwoproductions]

Will Woolie ever learn that DeNA is pronounced "D-N-A"?

[@madtownluthier3325]

D-En-A? DeNA seems like a dumb way to try to get that emphasis across.

[@sneakman9873]

@@madtownluthier3325 it's more like De-N-A.

[@madtownluthier3325]

@@sneakman9873 We should just double down to Deena Studios

[@agoodboy1404]

@@sneakman9873 it should De-NA

[@francescolombardi3438]

Dina

[@FrozenOver0]

The fans saying they don't want Pokemon to change usually AREN'T talking about QOL stuff. They're talking about stuff like changing it to real time battles, things that would effectively be a total genre shift.

[@SceptileDude254]

If they want real time battles: we have Pokemon Masters now. It's basically that's plus my dream of Triple Tag multi battles.

[@MrDjWalnut]

Pokemon is such a weird case of wanting so badly to keep the game the same but also reinvent the wheel every time. Every game is basically the same structure with minor variations on the story and flow, but starting with X&Y they keep pushing some new gimmick that attempts to cannibalize the battle system and gets replaced with a new gimmick by the next gen. The fact that we've reached a point where I've seen people say "I wonder what the new gimmick for this gen will be" is absolutely disgusting.

[@gamerguy6990]

It also seems like the gimmicks get somewhat lazier every generation we got mega evolutions brand new design for Pokemon that have them z moves cutscenes for Pokemon that have them and now we just become big for whatever reason

[@TheOneAboveACoupleOfPeople]

And like a other comments have stated, removing amazing previous mechanics from the games for no reason whatsoever. The biggest one for me was the ability to rematch trainers. I don't know who thought that was a good idea.

[@JackOfen]

Honestly I didn't mind the games being the same. That's why I buy Pokemon, to get Pokemon and not to get Kaiju battles. A new region with new Pokemon means a new adventure and the new Pokemon are enough to completely change the meta. That's all I needed and I tgought the complains of Pokemon being always the same were stupid as hell

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@Essence Wolf The difference is only Double Battles were actually effectively used, and even then only on Colosseum being the only type of battles. Triple, Rotation and Inverse were like a *single* battle in the entire game they were in just as a distraction.

[@balrogdahomie]

A lot of people (including me, at least til now) buy at least one game in each and every new Pokémon generation, transferring their teams to the newest one. This has been an option for 17 years and 21 games. Think of it this way: imagine the new WoW expansion came out. And said “alright, if your character is one of these 3 combinations of races and classes, they can’t be in this expansion. You might be able to play them in the next one, but not this one. Also, we’re gonna keep doing this, so in each new expansion, some of your accounts/characters you just won’t be able to use. Sorry!” That’s what it feels like

[@machine1685]

The way I like to look at it is as if the next Smash decides to cut its roster down to 20 for no good reason.

[@meteor22]

I find it hilarious that the general populace never lined up the dots that Pokemon was basically Nintendo's version of CoD.

[@RippahRooJizah]

I already realized that years ago. Although not everyone can bring themselves to agree with that.

[@JayceCH.]

I mean do you see people reacting to Smash? Its fanaticism.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

They never did because Game Freak never *back-tracked* to this extent with such awful excuses. Even Sun and Moon or Ultra or whatever not having a National Dex, you can still bring over the other Pokes, they just don't have some extra Dex entries. I don't see Call of Duty removing Shotguns because "their animations are hard" when it's the same crap since Modern Warfare 1 by comparison. So it's now even worse than CoD.

[@CyberShadowX8]

For Sun and Moon, there exists fully animated 3D models with walk animations of all the Pokemon, and the Switch has been out for 2 1/2 years right now, so they have models and everything, it seems that they want to upscale everything and are just grossly incompetent at it, I have every mainline Pokemon game except for Ruby, Sapphire, and FireRed , and I am just really confused at what Nintendo and GameFreak are doing right now.

[@FredCracklin]

So you want three year old 3DS quality models and animations?

[@someguy9181]

@@FredCracklin Have you seen those things running on Citra? They look fucking great.

[@IronicHavoc]

Bringing in models from another game doesn't mean just upscaling them. There's usually specific quirks to animation/implementation to work out in a new environment, plus translation/creation of data for the pokemon to fit whatever new or altered systems might be in place in that game. Even if it might not be as big of an undertaking as it could be, it's still not trivial - and there's a lot of Pokemon. I don't think it's impossible or anything but I can see it being a time/resource investment that might not be their first priority.

[@DarkestHarvest]

@@FredCracklin That's the thing. Those aren't 3ds quality models. Battles in Gen 7 run like crap because the 3ds can barely handle them.

[@IronicHavoc]

Also, I believe they cited balancing as an issue, not just model implementation?

[@TheStrxggler]

Nintendo is so out of touch that they are leagues ahead of their competitors.

[@EbonMaster]

in what way?

[@egg2520]

I disagree

[@TheStrxggler]

@@EbonMaster I mean its profits and sometimes ideas. Nintendo has been playing their own game for a long time now with disregard to whoever else. It has mostly worked in their favor. I say mostly because online still remains a mystery to them.

[@EbonMaster]

@@TheStrxggler Nintendo console sales havent been ahead of the competition since the Wii so I doubt that their game sales are profiting more than them. Nintendo has its niche of hardcore fans that it will likely never lose (in addition to having the Japanese market on lock) but its not exactly an industry leader more so than the other two major consoles devs.

[@CaliberStone]

The Switch is literally the fastest selling console in history, ahead of even the Wii. That's why every third party company is jumping to the Switch. Nintendo may be antiquated in some of their thinking, but they're absolutely industry leaders at this point.@@EbonMaster

[@zandobando2064]

Yo Shoutout to the Double Kick animation from Scorbunny that looks terrible. If the animations were super detailed and high quality id agree with their statement, but that is sooooo not the case.

[@dirtyox6862]

Nice Profile Love it

[@willrtubin]

dont forget game freak develops pokemon, not nintendo while nintendo's got their share of problems game freak really are not good developers

[@217adaptiveperspective]

Meanwhile I'm still waiting for the next Mystery Dungeon game, it's nearly been 5 years

[@Yal_Rathol]

pokemon is the biggest IP to have ever existed, according to wikipedia. it's the highest grossing media franchise, with an estimated revenue of 90 billion dollars. gamefreak could buy several african countries and have every person in those countries work to produce pokemon on a better salary than their people have ever seen and have money to spare. so, if they came out and said "we can't find enough quality animators to fix pokemon", i might buy that. but "this takes too long"? gamefreak, you can throw TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT THE PROBLEM AND MAKE THAT GO AWAY!

[@Copperhell144]

I've commented about this on another site, but if they base their decisions about video games on the revenue of the video games only, then it makes sense - Gen 4 through now has about exactly the same revenue each. Don't wanna expand expenses when the income is not going up? Maybe makes sense. We'll see if they end up regretting this decision.

[@Yal_Rathol]

@@Copperhell144 that's why they should have future proofed, so they could lower expenses.

[@Copperhell144]

@@Yal_Rathol ...I don't get what you mean. They are lowering expenses with the NatDex removal already?

[@Yal_Rathol]

@@Copperhell144 lowering expenses at the cost of chasing away swaths of your fanbase also lowers profits. had they future proofed and built a library of animations and skeletons for their pokemon, like monster hunter does, they could have lowered their costs in the long run without alienating old fans by preventing their favourite pokemon from being transferred. that would have the same effect, lowering costs, without the side effect of lowering profits. and yes, it would be an expensive investment. but pokemon is worth 90 billion USD. they have the money to spare on improving their games.

[@Copperhell144]

@@Yal_Rathol But their reuse of models has also been a complaint which means they did future proof? Unless you mean like a different kind of future proofing.

[@RichardBlaziken]

It is to the point that Game Freak has proven either incompetence or indifference toward the Pokemon series. There was an interview with them recently where they stated that they're shifting focus away from Pokemon because they're burnt out on it, and that's understandable. Give the license to someone else.

[@N00BSYBORG]

No cloud saves for the game where it'd matter most? Still no native voice chat? Aw that's too bad. Now pay up for that online service that is literally just a paywall for basic features you don't even get to use.

[@bearandthebull2372]

*removed features Putting something that was free,ON THE SAME CONSOLE AND YEAR,as a paywall is still the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

[@Z50nemesis]

theres native voice chat... but it depends on the game. Usually western games have it , my guess is that japanese developers dont care about what muricans want

[@felixdaniels37]

At this point the online service is just an excuse for me to play Tetris 99.

[@N00BSYBORG]

@@Z50nemesis That just makes it dumber if some games have it.

[@Z50nemesis]

@@N00BSYBORG yup , as i said before japanese devs probably dont care about the rest of the world

[@DualEdgest]

Just wait for Shining Sword and Shining Shield where they finish the plot and add every Pokemon back because the game sold shit

[@Z50nemesis]

the game its like the second most preordered shit.... that being said they will more pokemon to the updated version..... because thats what the updated version does

[@MrSeyker]

The most ridiculous thing is that just a generation ago, not only they had coded walking animation for most of the existing pokemon, people could hack animations into other models, so you could even make a human model use pokemon animations (or have pokemons play human animations). The infrastructure was there. Just develop sets of animation that can be shared by pokemon of similar builds. Gamefreak are just incompetent.

[@djdexcat]

Something I've been saying ever since the Wii era: Nintendo never could figure out the Internet.

[@FredCracklin]

They actually had online services before most anyone else, it was just only in Japan for the most part. Part of their issue is that they are isolated to Japan where the culture and infrastructure is so different and people are lumped so close together. People could say that Sony is a Japanese company, but Sony has also has a strong American side of their company for a long time that isn't just super subservient to the Japanese wing and actually holds quite a bit of power.

[@FunkBastid]

They made walking/flying for every Pokémon in XY-USUM if I remember correctly.

[@BootyjuiceJenkins]

Anybody got a link to the whole Network Engineer/ Nintendo spheel Pat talked about? Or is it just Crazy Talk acting up again? @ 2:06.

[@Chachi97]

Here it is: www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-secret-developers-wii-u-the-inside-story The exact quote: "At some point in this conversation we were informed that it was no good referencing Live and PSN as nobody in their development teams used those systems (!) so could we provide more detailed explanations for them? My only thought after this call was that they were struggling - badly - with the networking side as it was far more complicated than they anticipated".

[@BootyjuiceJenkins]

@@Chachi97 Fascinating read. While I'm not as upset about Nintendo's online as others are, I do hope they can improve upon certain aspects.

[@samzilla567]

I'd rather Nintendo remain as the Old man of the gaming industry as it's out of touch with how things work today. I'm okay with Grandpa Nintendo being too old to understand loot boxes and microtransactions like the cool kids like to do.

[@GELTONZ]

And THAT is indeed the silver lining.

[@INSOMNIACification]

I’d rather they weren’t incompetent

[@JackOfen]

Next Pokemon game will have Lootballs. For just 2 bucks you can get a random Pokemon. Want a higher chance for rarer Pokemon? Buy our Great Lootball for only 6 bucks or the Ultra Lootball for only 12 bucks.

[@ultimatehamsandwich734]

Big N started to add DLC stuff to their games awhile after the other big AAA guys did it. So give it another 5 or so years before they start to add lootboxes in and get to watch as the Big N diehards eat it up.

[@johnbuscher]

So two things: the Pokemon Company is a three-way between Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures, who have worked together since the first games. The second is about the model duplication. I'm reasonably certain that it's done for seek time optimization on slow disc media, where sequential reading is adequately fast but random seek times to obtain the needed data would hurt load times so they include duplicate models for various scenes to make loading much easier. My theory for this is based on what I've seen of dissassembled ISOs for Persona 3 and 4. You would be surprised how many models there are of the player character or a team member holding just a cellphone. Same textures, same general model, holding the same cellphone, but duplicated a lot. Now, since they've moved back to flash storage, I assume the seek times are better than discs but it does get to be a problem when you have high quality models and animations duplicated multiple times, especially if they're handling it that inefficiently.

[@Winter0263]

Pkm company has been making money with low effort since the 90s. Now people are finally seeing how bad gamefreak is at programming

[@BloodRedFox2008]

And thing is they've sorta been that way for a long ass time. Pokemon Red, Green, and Blue were very buggy, and they needed Iwata's help to fix their poor programming in Pokemon Gold and Silver (and at the time he still worked for HAL Labs, plus I think he did it pro bono).

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@E1V1A Because don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product.

[@tychoazrephet3794]

In the words of the late great Satoru Iwata, "Please understand."

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Iwata wouldn't even use that, *he saved Pokemon Stadium and Gen 2 from being utter garbage.* He'd be annoyed at them for disrespecting their fans like that.

[@GervilEtnad]

As I said in a previous comment Nintendo is like a beautiful city. It's really nice except for one thing. All the plumbing is above ground.

[@aganaom1712]

7:33 lol it's not even safe in your own house, especially if you live in a area where break ins and the like are more common

[@MajoraZ]

It's not even that the animations are bad, it's that the animations ALREADY EXIST: Every animation other then the Dynamax animations ALREADY EXISTED IN SUN AND MOON. They are LITTERALLY REUSING THEM.

[@pokehybridtrainer]

I have a sinking feeling that Pokémon Company is gonna say "Sword + Shield 2: Now with all Pokémon being transferable!"

[@coreylemon]

Ultra Sword and Ultra Shield more like.

[@GunpowderCoffee]

And they are going to take 80 dollars for it and you know it.

[@giantmonkey]

Just wanna say that X/Y actually did manage to squeeze in triple battles. They were removed in Sun/Moon so the trainer could stand in the background doing nothing...

[@diminishdom2319]

Ive said it once ill say it again. Pokemon is the biggest moneymaker in media in GENERAL. And pokemon games 10 years ago implemented more than this. AND I SURE WASNT PAYING AAA PRICES FOR THE GAMES 10 YEARS AGO. But now we are supposedly on better hardware. Paying more money. And the pokemon company and gamefreak is saying its too hard to implement every pokemon. Its BULLSHIT. Delay the game to avoid crunching. Do whatever. But dont you dare tell me its too hard or too expensive to do because its FUCKIN POKEMON.

[@darrensummer3117]

I'm getting really tired of all of these cool new features that only last exactly one generation. Mega Evolution? Gone. Z-Moves? Gone. Sky Battles? Gone. Triple Battles? Gone. Regional Forms? Gone. So they the hell should anyone get excited about DYNAMAX BATTLES when they'll be gone by the next gen?

[@LPO_Puru]

Time to grow up and play on a console that wasn't made for kids. The Ouya (probably) doesn't have any of these problems. RISE UP.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Ouya Bois Rise Up!

[@night1952]

Gotta catch a few!

[@Dmartan]

Pat's stupid! Lol😆😆😆

[@ChaoGuy2006]

I applaud Pat focusing on the graphical issue rather than purely the dex issue, and his extended knowledge of the franchise and company. A lot of the issues also apply to Animal Crossing to a lesser extent. Lots of money coming in, little overhead in comparison, getting real tempted by mobile for micro-transactions.

[@Ike_of_pyke]

They are a privately traded company, the people who hold the stocks aren't caring about anything but the general bottom line and even with ALL of the out of touch things they still make hand over fist profit and 80+% of their games and systems.

[@Pasteldqueijo]

I can buy nintendo stocks right now dude... its not private trade.

[@dantr14]

Lex_Ka game freak is a private commission believe they aren’t owned by Nintendo

[@Ike_of_pyke]

@@Pasteldqueijo I apologize for misspeaking, however the price to get into a nintnedo stock is ridiculously high for a video game company to the point: most people can buy a 4th of a share for the same price as many other's stock per 1 share currently of a lot of other game devs. The guys who own the hundreds and thousands of shares (jp Morgan chase is the leader with over 111,000 shares, which is only 7%) might as well in some ways be private trading but understand its not

[@TrueDarkAce]

I had my Playstation saves wiped out.... TWICE in a span of couple of months. No power outages or anything so yeah I trust Nintendo's service a whole lot more than Sony's right now.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

How often do power outages happen? What are the odds you just *drop* something you're holding in your hands? Compare those for a second. If you're using a phone for your daily activities, be sure to add how often you drop the thing and imagine doing that to the Switch and losing everything.

[@ryanoleynik5041]

On one hand, 800+ pokemon is definitely a lot to model and implement, so it makes sense they would run into these issues. On the other hand, this is a problem they should have seen coming due to how fast they crank out these games and how each one introduces another 100+ monsters. In a franchise whose sole purpose and goal is collection, it is a little late to start cutting out a chunk of them and telling people that things will never be whole again. Because if "Gotta Catch Some of Them" is the future of this franchise, what is the point of it anymore? Ya know, besides making a crap ton of money regardless.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

and as Pat pointed out, they already made all the existing pokemon as 3d models, and even if those models don't hold up when displayed on a TV/Switch compared to being on the 3DS, surely they can update those up to a futureproof quality now? even if Sword and Shield wont have them all, the next one should. also, maybe they can reduce the number new mons per Gen? we don't need another obvious Piggy or Rattata analog to fill the new game's Route 1 every single time, just reuse Piggy and Rattata, and if you need to spice things up just bring back regional forms like Sun and Moon had.

[@Z50nemesis]

Woolie is right about something pokemom should be given to nintendo instead of gamefreak. Also you have to take into account that The Pokemon Company clearly doesnt care abiut traditional games anymore , they make waaayyy more money with GO (google it) and thats why they are making a gatcha game too they want the cellphone money

[@BloodRedFox2008]

I think Nintendo should just buy Game Freak already. It's weird to me how Nintendo bought up Monolith Soft in 2007, a company whose best known franchise (Xeno) was a PlayStation exclusive at the time, but Game Freak's stayed a third party since the 90s despite their best known IP being only on Nintendo's hardware. Similar deal with Sony and Insomniac, it still surprises me to remember every now and then "oh that's right Insomniac can make games for other consoles if they want," shit Sunset Overdrive is Xbox One and PC exclusive.

[@SergioSource]

@@BloodRedFox2008 I doubt Nintendo is willing to make an investment of that magnitude. They're the company that handles pokemon, the price that it would take is probably absurd. It would absolutely pay off in the end, but it would be a massive cut all at once.

[@BloodRedFox2008]

The Pokemon stuff is more on Game Freak and The Pokemon Company, Nintendo's input on the franchise isn't actually that high, and shit remember the story from a few years back where Nintendo's stock went up shortly after Pokemon GO came out, only for it to then go back down when Nintendo execs said "actually we didn't really have anything to do with that, that was all TCPI"? I say this because despite the Nintendo exclusivity the franchise in of itself isn't under Nintendo's control as much as you might think, plus Game Freak is actually a third party developer, Nintendo's never owned them (part of me wonders though if maybe they should buy them so they can apply the same design philosophy that lead to Animal Crossing being delayed in order to not rush it out). But on the lack of cloud saving yeah that's all Nintendo and yeah it's dumb. I've said many times over that I absolutely love Nintendo as a game and console maker but got damn do they make some ass backwards decisions regarding certain things like online features. On one hand the Mario Maker 2 situation where they listened to the backlash and said they'll change it in a patch shortly after launch gives me hope they'll do the same with AC before it comes out, but on the other shit if I know.

[@WrathfulPride]

15:04 He's right. He's so right it hurts.

[@HCSR2]

I rather this corrupt industry catch up to Nintendo than Nintendo catch up to this corrupt industry.

[@Matt913]

Four years later, we're STILL talking about this as Nintendo sues homebrew devs and patching out dupe glitches in 'Tears of the Kingdom'.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Woolie: "Whatchamacallit, Fighting Games."

[@HunterSerge]

One thing is that Double Battles were not cut in XY, they just don't exist in the campaign. The entirety of the official tournament structure uses Double Battles.

[@_Snowflame]

On the Splatoon 2 voice chat thing. It can't be emphasized enough how much portability changes things. When you're putting voice chat into a game you have to account for how much bandwidth is going to transmitting a voice signal, on top of all the packets your client needs to send and receive for gameplay. Online games on the Switch have to account for the nightmare scenario, that some of your players might be running on Starbucks wi-fi. The bandwidth necessary for usable voice chat might not be available in these public spaces. It's not the best solution, and it could never be elegant, but offloading Splatoon voice chat to a phone app makes at least a bit more sense.

[@FredCracklin]

There should though be multiple options, perhaps warnings about bandwidth use. Nintendo has the unenviable task of being the family friendly console maker, so they have to be able to make things work for kids and what parents may want to limit their kids to and keep things simple to understand. I do think they may be trying too hard to have their services work for everyone instead of having more customizable options, perhaps keeping some things locked behind parental modes.

[@_Snowflame]

@coinny22 I'm not 100% sure. That was my thought as I was writing this message. I guess the question is, if you're in a game with lobby voice chat -- CoD4 on XBox, as an arbitrary example -- and you mute some or all the players, does that data still get sent to you without being played? This is all speculation, and whether it works that way would depend on how the voice chat itself was programmed. EDIT: Having thought about this, this is might be a sidestep anyway. I'm not sure what it would cost to have the server identify clients with bad connectivity/portable mode and not send them voice comms, but I'm sure it's possible.

[@susanaalmeida593]

Gamefreak has been skimming on the content for a while but this is a new low and the reasons they give are completely bullshit. Yokai Watch 3, a game on a less powerful system has every single monster the series has ever had as well as over a hundred new ones, each one has fully animated 3D models with unique attack and walking animations and they provide a fuck ton of content on top of that such as a massive post-game, a dungeon crawler side game, three entire maps each with their own unique side missions etc. Gamefreak literally has NO excuse, they really are just being lazy and complacent with giving us less.

[@BrazillianCara]

Frankly, their lack of touch with parts of the industry is a fair trade for the stuff they excel above the others.

[@MortalWombatI]

I really hope Pat can get Woolie in on the Iceborne Beta this weekend. I’m still waiting anxiously for the continuation of Woolie’s Monster Hunter adventure tbh...

[@Ponch_ITK]

At this point nintendo takes three steps forward and then three steps back it's a never-ending vicious cycle of "yeah you do something" great to "you fucked up really bad"

[@fien111]

Gamefreak couldn't fit the Kanto region into Gold/Silver. So Iwata came in and PERSONALLY DID SO. I don't think these guys have EVER been good devs, they just got handed the world's most fool-proof IP that can't not make millions. If they're seriously switching out models instead of animating changes on them, that shows they're completely incompetent animators. Or rather, it shows they they simply can't animate at all, because that's what you do when you don't know how to change a model.....which is basic, starter-tier shit.

[@swagtasticpanda]

It's pretty fucked that smogon's pokemon showdown has smoother graphics on your cellphone by virtue of pokemon model rips being easy to to edge up and polish with some button clicks. The poverty-pirate product providing better service than Nintendo. The clock can't be reset any further.

[@SinShady.]

As a hardcore Pokémon fan since I was like 5 I can say.. If GAMEFREAK is really considering never putting all Pokémon in a game again I will never buy another game. I’ve spoken with my friends who adore Pokémon and they all feel the same. This is 100% a rush job, and we are so passionate about Pokémon that we will deprive ourselves of a product that we wanted otherwise to make a stance demanding better for the games we’ve been indulging for years. Why buy Sword and Shield if it cost more and gives us less in return? Pokémon has been getting away with murder, having bland NPCs, a lackluster story since Gen 5, no interesting dialogue.. and the inability to skip basic tutorial cutscenes that last forever. Now we can’t even have our previous teams, or “catch em all.” Japan has also been very vocal about the laziness of GAMEFREAK. There is no excuse aside from them wanting to rush the product out for immediate profit. One of the cool things about Pokémon is that both adults and kids play it, and it’s further symbolized by the fact you could bring previous generations forward. This marks, quite literally, the end of an era. GAMEFREAK is not just leaving old generations of Pokémon behind, but all the old fans who have bothered to stuck with them throughout the years. This is a slap in the face towards their fan base, all in the name of getting a game out by the deadline. They had a choice, pick profit or the fans that support your products. They chose the money.

[@Charredasperity]

I'd believe the thing about keeping the pokemon roster small for better animations if the animations actually looked any better than Sun/Moon. Stadium still has better animation than any 1st party pokemon game and that came out 20 years ago! If they could make the animation as lively as that I'd accept the cutbacks, but nothing I've seen thus far impresses me, especially not for the most profitable franchise in history.

[@XxxXMylordXxxX]

The Negativity cast continues

[@EbonMaster]

Because theyre hard on Nintendo? lol

[@superakman14]

Good, i feed on negative emotions.

[@vivena9]

Nintendo deserves every bit of it.

[@arbyw.1889]

Negativity that Nintendo earned

[@Yasahiro1011]

Pokemon Battle Revolution for Wii had more animations, way more for every single attack, block or such for all 4th gen pokemon and let you transfer them in from DS. And Digimon Cyber Sleuth was a game made for Vita originally, made by company with less budget for that and all and still has way more stuff or done it better than Sword and Shield pokemons are gonna do. IN FACT. Digimon for their 20th anniversary did whole digimon line with lore based on Shield and Sword each. Like a year or two before Pokemon Sword and Shield reveal.

[@GELTONZ]

To be fair though, Battle Revolution was recycling models and animations from the N64 too...you know...like Game Freak should be doing right now with Sword and Shield?

[@johnbuscher]

@@GELTONZ BR was certainly not reusing models from N64 era, those models needed to be redone and have new rigging and textures done from N64 to GCN, and then you could upgrade from GCN to Wii and not lose as much. But I assume the extra 400 mons that hadn't gotten that work take time to upscale.

[@Yasahiro1011]

@@GELTONZ XD was recycling from Colosseum, but as for Battle Revolution... They still did it for new console, better quality models, animations might have been recycled but they still added on that. And they also did it for all 4th gen pokemon that didn't exist in N64 games. Or 3rd gen, in fact only XD had the 3rd gen pokemon out of them I believe. Turns out, the company responsible for Colloseum games, XD, battle revolution is same company and most of its employees worked on Dragon Quest games. Bonus: They only have and ever had at most 22 employees. Game Freak has 143. XD has a fucking overworld too. There is literally no excuse for gamefreak now

[@Hyper_Drud]

Maroko4 correction: Colosseum and XD had gen 3 mons in them. Colosseum did reuse models from Stadium and Stadium 2. Colosseum had an overworld, XD is a direct sequel to Colosseum.

[@Yasahiro1011]

Fair. But revolution though. Game freak, for sun and moon, has copy of a ground texture for every time it appears rather than referencing it again. For every character model such as Lillie they copied her files for every single area she’s in. That Lillie on route 1? Her files are stored separately on route 1. That Lillie at school? Stored separately at school area folder. Entire model, animations and textures without any change just being copied into each area’s folder rather than referencing her, ever

[@cthulhuhoops]

Nothing Nintendo has ever released has held my interest so bits like this intrigue me.

[@MegaLagann]

It feels weird there's all these controversies in various Nintendo communities meanwhile the Fire Emblem community of all things is pretty happy with how Three Houses is looking. That's when you know you fucked up when Fire Emblem fans are happier than you.

[@kovulion7777]

Nintendo is basically the ultimate in making games with what they have, why follow american stuff like shooters and lootboxes when they can release what they feel like releasing, no deadlines, no rushing, just whatever game that ends up fun or not

[@intentwarrior]

This is even dumber because the main reason is they don't want people to do time shenanigans but all you have to do is change the time in your switch settings just like gamecube

[@joinsideke]

New Leaf lets you do in the game's start up menu, so you don't have to mess with your console settings at all. Why's it an issue now?

[@pathfindersavant3988]

LOW POLY N64 TREES!

[@FredCracklin]

That image is a blatant misrepresentation though. Captured from off screen gameplay, and compressed multiple times in jpeg form to make it look even worse, in a screen where textures and polys are loading, often having it compared to in game captures or up-renders of older games. Notice how they only use that one image. If things were truly that bad they would be able to give more than a single example, which people are not doing. One must also remember that games (at least most Nintendo ones) usually get their visual polish last, so even if that single low res jpeg was actually representative of the total quality of the game's visuals at this point in time (which it clearly isn't if one watches the actual trailer on Nintendo's page), there's five months to make it look better.

[@pathfindersavant3988]

@@FredCracklin Chill out dude, it's just a meme.

[@manticorephoenix]

Ok so the whole "we don't use any service other than our own" may work for Nintendo Japan, but what about Nintendo of America? Do they still have their own Old Guard that have the same attitude? It just sounds like they need some fresh blood

[@TonyJenn]

That's pretty much the exact problem.

[@ghostfear2011]

manticorephoenix NoA has the same problem except they’re talking to Microsoft at least.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Considering Reggie just gave up his position to happily retire, I think NoA is the polar opposite of their Japanese branch.

[@goblinrat6119]

Nintendo is seriously turning into the fucking personification of the phrase "Ah fuck it, they'll buy it anyway." So much of this shoddiness and being so out of touch is so easy to exlain with that mentality. Why make effort when it prints infinity dollars anyway?

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Also, holy fuck, I never thought that Nintendo's primitive and ignorant attitude towards internet and social connections was this bad.

[@ArcRay20]

from the sound of things for Pokemon, they basically need to super delay the new games. like there is so much im hearing that sounds so wrong that it sounds like they need a new game engine for their new games. like with Monster Hunter, the difference is that they wanted to make the games better. GameFreak needs to want that too instead of having their next big franchise game and NOT having the main team make it. they should have finished whatever Town is supposed to be and then get to making the next games.

[@wildwoody8324]

All I wish is that pokemon get a hard mode. The best thing about those games was finally beating lance, red or that chick with the demon miltank.

[@johnbuscher]

Whitney. Also, I miss the interaction between previous player characters.

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

Black 2 and White 2 did have Easy and Hard modes available. You got them by beating the game. One version gave you Easy Mode while the other gave you Hard Mode and you would have to connect the two versions together to unlock the version exclusive difficulty mode in the other mode.

[@li-limandragon9287]

While I feel Pat is trying to justify his boner Monster Hunter World by throwing shade on Pokemon. He is right about Game Freak keeping their head in the sand, Breath of Wild drastically changed the formula for Zelda, Pokemon should be following suit.

[@b33lze6u6]

Im big mad over pokebank/pokejail

[@LightningZerker]

The fact that no matter how many new Pokemon they add you'll always have to deal with the original 151 is absolute horseshit.

[@Hyper_Drud]

And that’s not limited to the games either. I bet you the next piece of Pokémon-themed merchandise you see will have at least one gen 1 Pokémon on it, excluding Pikachu and the gen 1 starters.

[@patricknguyen7530]

Nintendo is so out of touch in gaming they refuse to let their staff work crunch unlike other game companies

[@INSOMNIACification]

Is this the part where we say two things that have nothing to do with each other?

[@Samm815]

The founder of GameFreak (I forget his name and don't feel like looking it up) has tried multiple times to introduce new things into pokemon every single time he has been shot down by his own staff for the reason "that's not pokemon." Anytime he sees something cool in the anime or something cool in the manga, he tries to implement it into the games his staff says, "that's not pokemon." This is the founder of game freak and the creator of pokemon, not allowed to change pokemon.

[@galesturms]

Gamefreak has been doing the fucking bare minimum for years now. Just take 2 or 3 years to make a deeper and more complex titles, that have actual depth and growth. It’s kinda absurd the last real one feels like it may have been X/Y or BW2.

[@isaacargesmith8217]

From what I under the duplication thing might be related both due to possible time constraints and they also have multiples so it's easier for the game to load files quicker since it wont need to look in as many places. From what I remember the cloud model thing was believed to be that way because of how that one steelix popped in when loading. Because of the way the clouds pop in exactly with it that implies it's part of the model.Also if I recall all the pokemon models were in lets go Pikachu and eevee with high deinition textures, like they just left literally every pokemon model in that game's code so I doubt it's a memory issue. Also we know they're using the same animations for the overworld pokemon most likely due to the fact we know every pokemon had an overworld walk run and idle animation that never got used, and we can see that here they're using the same animations for the pokemon that did get in.

[@JimTrivial]

the issue most people have with monster hunter isnt the qol changes they made, its the boring armor/weapons, no monsters, general hunts are much more frustrating and not as just difficult with all the bullshit from other monsters, and the biggest problem in my opinion is the rotating dlc. They never did that before why would they start now, I dont have the time to play the game every week so why should I be forced to finish my dlc hunt for the week and then have nothing to do even though I missed the last 4 weeks. They did so much to make the game less grindy and so many weapons had their movesets made insanely better, but when theres nothing to hunt it deters people like me from playing.

[@CynicalZielony]

I think Pat was just specifically referring to people who complained about the QoL in World, not that everyone who criticizes the game is some nostalgiababy stuck in the past. Also, while I mostly agree with your criticisms of World I don't think it's fair to say World has no monsters given it's a high rank game that doesn't have the benefit of easily porting over past monsters like 4U and Gen did.

[@weirdo3116]

wait boring armors? i thought they looked good.

[@JimTrivial]

@@weirdo3116 compared to the old games they are incredibly boring and plain. Also Id let the lack of monsters slide if this wasnt capcoms most popular game of all time and they werent getting a ridiculous amount of funding, only for them to be providing less content than fucking monster hunter generations. Im just very salty because its my favorite series, for me to put not less than 400, but less than 150 hours into one of the titles is just depressing to me. Like in the time that the console version released and the pc port came out, they did absolutely nothing. We got one of the most broken on release games I've played in awhile, the optimization was so poor that some people with $2k beast machines couldnt run it at more than a slideshow on the lowest settings. Its stuff like that, I wish there was as much care put into the game for what capcom is trying to make it seem like. Its a good AAA game, its a meh to almost bad monster hunter.

[@Bolomoto]

@@JimTrivial i agree with that sentiment. After high rank, I didn't feel no motivation to do the events.

[@JimTrivial]

@@Bolomoto exactly, it felt like a chore having to revolve my free time schedule around a game that I used to be able to play on the go. They did a lot to really help everything feel so much less monotonous but at the same time they took away everything that made the game fun to put time into in the first place.

[@hawk9mm]

This is why I never understood why people are so up Nintendo's ass with how "great" their products are, yet here we were talking for 27 minutes about how they have consistently done poorly and not adapted at all while the rest of the industry has evolved and changed. I get that there's probably nostalgia so the whole rose tinted glasses are in full effect but really if any other company did this kind of shit they would be swamped with complaints but Nintendo? Not a peep in the grand scheme of things. Nintendo is one of the Japanese companies who is so tribal and stuck back in the feudal empire mentality that I still do not know how they've managed to stay where they are, sure they have very creative people working for them but still so does everyone else and everyone else tends to change and learn while Nintendo stays the same. If it was good enough to get them to where they were back in the 90s with the N64 then they don't want to go anywhere beyond and improve upon it, that's how the higher ups at Nintendo seem to think.

[@FrozenOver0]

To be fair, it's more 10 minutes talking about Nintendo's incompetence in online matters, and 17 minutes talking about the general and complete incompetence of Game Freak, which is a separate company responsible for basically every non-spinoff Pokemon game. They work with Nintendo, but are not part of the company.

[@22MewDragon]

Isn't there a 3DS pokemon game that has unused walk cycles for every single pokemon? Like its in the game's files just sitting there unused.

[@TheSonicfan91]

Yeah in Sun and Moon if I remember correctly

[@AdmiralBetas]

The Animal Crossing cloud save thing is a pretty minor gripe imo. I'd care more if someone can tell me if there are other major problems caused besides "I can't manipulate/save scum the files to get everything anymore", if that should even be considered a flaw like Pat says.

[@XShadowSilverX]

The reason people are mad is because animal crossing is a game that has no ending so to speak, you are supposed to play it for a long ass time, not only that but the game encourages you to play it daily. This results in people spending hundreds of hours in play time. I'm sure you can imagine why people would want to store their saves in a cloud so they can get the save file back (and naturally everything they collected and built in those hundreds of hours) in case their switch breaks or gets stolen ( in which the probability of it happening is high since it's also a mobile console that you can take outside).

[@gamerguy6990]

From my understanding of animal crossing the games still carry on even when you're not playing them so extended amounts of time not playing increases how much progress you lose cloud saves solve this issue by holding your save and progress still and you can basically play whenever you want I would prefer if there was a feature to just turn that feature off though

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

So if you *drop your freaking system* it's not a MAJOR problem that literally every other platform will let you get your save data back but Nintendo won't let you? Also, this is for a game where if you actually care about people cheating, I don't know what to say. It's not a competitive game, why should you care? I guess if someone steals your Switch through no fault of your own you deserve to lose years worth of crap when Steam will say "oh your computer broke? Right, right, here's your Witcher 3 save you had for 300 hours!"

[@mattduncan3869]

I've been waiting for a traditional pokemon game to be graphically relevant and drop handheld limitations they made into "features" ever since the beginning. Every few years I'd check in to see if the sprites still sit there and shake to illustrate an attack or if they removed the cap on number of abilities a pokemon can have or stopped abbreviating item names unnecessarily and it's just never happened.

[@anemoiaprison]

Pokemon can't be delayed because there's millions of shitty toys and branded products that need to be sold alongside with it at christmas time

[@AfroMetalMizu]

You're out of touch! You got no powerrrrrrrr

[@ghostfear2011]

AfroMetalMizu Gotta catch some of them

[@abhinavdewan3923]

OOPS

[@Redscinti]

Having all of what would be 800 something pokemon in a single game is something I could care less about if they took the time to add them in after cleaning up and polishing the models and animations. What I care more for is why this series has been so dead set on removing every good quality of life change in each game after the 5th or 6th gen to make playing through it an absolute slog and make it so that I want to, and have, put down the game and never return to it.

[@jjrambles683]

Bruh I read the title and I thought this was a current clip

[@machine1685]

2019 has not been a kind year to Pokemon

[@Ketsuekisan]

I feel like a crazy person for not being that upset about not being able to transfer all my pokemon up. Sure, I'd love to bring my whole squad forward, but the line has been broken before, and some of my most cherished mons are stuck in the OG gen 1 and 2 games which can't trade up to gen 3.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

personally I don't care about transferring old Pokémon up from previous gens, I care about the ability to catch them new in the game, getting a full dex has never required transfers from previous games(and really I'd almost consider that "cheating" the spirit of the challenge), even if sharing with the second game in the same generation was(not to mention how starters and legendries would need to be taken from other copies of the game). while the list of Pokémon definitely has it's share of duds or redundant designs(looking at you Black and White, where the whole region was nothing but new Pokémon, thus necessitating the creation of obvious filler that should have just been old classics like Piggy and Rattata), and could use some pruning... I think the solution is that we need fewer new Pokémon each Gen; 3(technically 9) new starters, 2 or 3 new legendries, and maybe 10 others tops. I mean the futureproof models shouldn't be hard to make, especially sense Pokémon is using carton/anime style cellshading were the updates will come from the lighting engine rather then the models

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

3DS versions of Gen 1+2 can trade up into Pokemon Bank. You can just re-catch your old Mons, even if they don't have the exact stats.

[@vincenzopaollogrieco9385]

"i guess we did ok on the direct of the e3 week right? We got some credit out of that right? people like us now right? Well we like to cash in this credit on this series of fuck up" Nintendo 2019

[@kildaver]

Pokemon isn't programmed by Nintendo, it's programmed by Gamefreak. That said, though...get your act together with the Internet things, Nintendo.

[@DualEdgest]

Pokemon has had walking animations buried in the code since fucking X and Y. The "oh animation is so hard" is bullshit since most of the work is already fucking done. And speaking of dropped shit, remember all that Zygarde hype during the X/Y cycle that never materialized until Sun/Moon?