CATL Battery Shenxing Plus Is LFP On Steroids!

[@perperers2502]

After driving an Ioniq5 for one and a half year I can say I don't need 1000 km range. I got caught up in the range discussions a lot before eventually turning BEV for real. But the range problem disappeared with the first long travel I did. My experience is a stop after three hours is what I need at my age (66), to get some walk and refreshment. Yesterday when I stopped at Ionity in Karlstad, Sweden, I noticed a fabulous charging speed in ideal conditions (+23C) topping at 235 kW, charging 35 kWh in 12 minutes, wich means an average power of 175 kW. My conclusion and the recommendation to other contemplating going electric is to look more fore charging speed than range. It's more pleasant to do a few more short stops than waiting 30 or 40 minutes for one charging session to finish.

[@jedics1]

Sounds like wise words to me. Huge batteries isn't the most efficient way to go.

[@MalawisLilleKanal]

Yes. Fast charging is possibly even more important, and makes the need for larger batteries less important. Yet this battery seem do do both. My Skoda Enyaq charges at less than half your speed, and have made me realize that my next car will be one with an 800V charging system(like yours) instead of 400V.

[@AmpedAuto]

Agree! This is more or less my personal opinion as well. My two EV's has decent range and for any long trips I plan for charging stops which is good for your body after 2-3 hours drive. It's clear that fast charging and shorter stops contribute to a more enjoyable driving experience and for your passengers too :) . Your recommendation is valuable for those considering electric vehicles. Thanks for your input!

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

do you drive in 20 below Fahrenheit temperature?

[@Not123Or]

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 Can't recommend that with Ioniq, better get Tesla instead with proper battery pre-heating/conditioning.

[@ElDuderino999]

I strongly fancy electric cars, yet there have been so many similarly bombastic announcements over the past decade that I stopped counting. Once they can prove that a large scale industrial production and usage in actual EV‘s is possible, it’s a different thing.

[@jaaklucas1329]

Battery tech has been the game of the century so far. China has been way ahead of everyone in this field. But like you lets see the end result before we get too excited.

[@ElDuderino999]

@@jaaklucas1329 yep… once they manage to allow for equivalent energy density and safety compared to a common diesel vehicle… AND manage to produce it in large quantities, it would be a total blast… but material research takes decades to perfection, unfortunately

[@TheCDM1971]

I can’t wait for this technology to reach Canada!

[@MiguelEstornino]

I would like to have half of that battery in car, ideally with option to get second one for those two weeks in year when I need more range.

[@wrpaulw2063]

Let me guess. It was announced on April 1st ? All the images show a charging cable the thickness of my thumb so maybe charging at 30kw? If you were really fast charging a 1000km range battery the cable would be at least as thick as my calf with active cooling. Very convenient. And a multi vehicle charging site would need its own power station.

[@AmpedAuto]

April fool you mean :D? The Shenxing Plus battery tech is promising. While fast charging infrastructure is a consideration, advancements are continually being made to address these challenges. The focus is on improving charging speed, efficiency, and infrastructure to support the growing demand for electric vehicles.

[@CristiCroicu]

comparing EPA range to CLTC range is like you are trying to compare apples to melons. The truth is that the Shenxing plus LFP has an energy density of around 200 wh/kg. Compared to the first gen LFP from CATL/BYD that was/is used in Tesla model y RWD, which had/has around160 wh/kg, it means that this battery would have a 20% increase in energy density, and thus, ideally 20% increase in range. That is the ideal scenario. So. from around 225 miles on EPA (the newest version of the EPA testing cycle) range to around 275 miles.

[@xXxM4nuxXx]

The charging capabilities are impressive! But 1000km are non-sense and obtainable just in Chinese labs. Is not feasible to have 1000km range on NMC batteries with 250W/kg how will they do it with LFP at 205W/kg?

[@AmpedAuto]

The 1000km range claim for the Shenxing Plus LFP battery is indeed based on extensive testing and innovation by CATL labs. While ambitious, it think it showcases the potential of LFP technology. Advancements in materials and structure optimization contribute to this achievement. Further real-world testing will provide more insights.

[@xXxM4nuxXx]

@@AmpedAuto I’m not negating the importance and the innovation of CATL. I’m sure will be a great battery, just that Chinese companies and many youtubers create a false expectation that a 15-20% (which is a lot) battery storage improvement will give you 200-300% gain in range on highway! This statements are most of the time believed because most of the people don’t understand how a battery works. For 1000km real world range, no matter the storage density of the battery, you will need at least a 170kW battery pack (with at least 150kW usable) on a car that can achieve a consumption of 150Wh/Km. At that size an LFP battery will not fit in most of passenger cars (due to high volume requirements) and at 205W/Kg you will have just the battery at ~1 ton which will make impossible to achieve that consumption.

[@Not123Or]

First of all, it is Wh/kg not W/kg, secondly CATL has already presented batteries featuring 500 Wh/kg in 2023 ....

[@xXxM4nuxXx]

@@Not123Or Yes, my bad, I missed the h on Wh/kg. But the 500Wh/kg is still not ready for mass production and at the beginning will be too expensive for automotive and are targeted for light passenger aviation.

[@rickrys2729]

Some great specifications. If cost and lifetime charging cycles are favorable the demand for this will be huge.

[@myrdalelucas8142]

I guess we just need to when it will arrive in vehicles in the USA

[@kirkjohnson6638]

If the battery can be charged with 400 miles of range in 10 minutes, then there is no need to have a 600 mile range (unless charger stations are that far apart). Also, if the battery charge rates are super high, then the chargers have to be supplied with vast power, so they need some incredible infrastructure to support the charging of many such batteries at the same time.

[@perperers2502]

I don't think it's fake. CATL have delivered what they have promised before. I guess they use 800V and therefore smaller cables. Regarding power supply to charging facilities it's mostly a planning problem. I guess it will be charging hubs for heavy transport that will need megawatt charging that will require most power, but they will probably be located near power lines with high capacity. It's not a new thing to demand high power. For example a normal electric arc furnace used in steel manufacturing is demanding between 60 and 100 MW during operation.

[@kirkjohnson6638]

@@perperers2502 With EVs, it's all about valuing the owner's time. If they can just quickly plug in at home and fo about their business, that's a minimal imposition. If they are on the road and have to charge, then the important things are how much time do they have to spend finding a charging location, how much time and distance does it take to get to that location, do they know in advance what power ratings the chargers at that location have, do they know if all the chargers there are working, do they have whatever app they need to pay or do they have to download a new app, does their phone carrier have a good signal at that location, is there a queue for the chargers, and the time it will take in the queue and charging. The nice thing about driving an ICE vehicle on a long trip is knowing that there are almost always multiple gas stations within a mile of any freeway exit ramp, that there are almost never lines, that you can always pay with either a credit card or cash, and that you can fuel your car in less time than it takes to make a restroom stop. You can almost always be back on the highway in less than 10 minutes from the time you exited unless you are dilly-dallying at the station or there's a line for the restroom.

[@kirkjohnson6638]

@@perperers2502 Oops I forgot about the power thing. Sure, you can operate at high voltages to minimize current and size of the required transmission lines and charging cables, but you still have to have the generating capacity and transmission capacity. If you install a big charging station for 18 wheelers, the power plants and transmission equipment all has to have the dynamic range to accommodate the fluctuations in electrical loading caused by the charging of trucks which might arrive in herds at breakfast, dinner, or lunch times or at other times like rush hours near major cities when truckers would prefer not to be sitting in stop and go traffic. The system also has to accommodate small towns and rural areas where the trucking traffic may be sporadic. Similarly, the charging of cars can be very dynamic. You might find that everyone who can do so tends to charge at home in the evening as soon as they get home from work and that will put a tremendous strain on the grid which has to be managed by giving the power transmission company control to add or shed loads to smooth out demand. But when Thanksgiving or Labor day rolls around and millions hit the road and have to super charge while the family waits in the car, the power company can't smooth the loading in any practical way without making people wait a long time UNLESS the system is designed for that peak loading. But that means the system is way oversized for the typical daily loads and is far more expensive to build, maintain, and operate than a system sized for the average daily loading. So, it has to incorporate peaker plants that run on natural gas or coal or massive battery storage and the transmission system still has to be oversized and costly. Alternatively, the system could have centralized charging locations with their own power plants or near power plants, but this then requires drivers to go out of their way to get there and wastes a lot of their time. It's just a tough problem to solve. Gasoline on the other hand is analogous to having a huge electrical storage battery at every charging station and having charging stations on practically every corner. But an in ground gasoline storage tank cost nothing compared to a huge battery storage system.

[@kirkjohnson6638]

@@rw6262 The longer the range, the bigger and heavier the battery pack is, the less interior room there is, the faster tires wear, the greater the battery fire risk, and the higher the costs of collision, liability, and comprehensive insurance on the vehicle. So, you want the battery to be as small as practical which depends on how long you can stand driving without a rest stop AND how far apart chargers are located. If chargers are everywhere, then your desired range just depends on how long you want to drive without stopping. I drove from the LA area to the mid Atlantic Coast of Florida and stopped about every 250 to 275 miles because that's the approximate range of my car between fill ups with some margin since my gas gauge is a bit sketchy. For me, that was about the perfect stopping distance anyway as I'd generally need to stretch my legs and take a bathroom break anyway. The problem with EVs is that charging generally takes a fairly long time AND chargers are not plentiful and all over the place. For those reasons, a longer range helps alleviate concerns and allows you to better schedule charging sessions so they don't drag out your trip more than necessary. But that longer range comes with quite a price tag.

[@jedics1]

While 1000km sounds good what we need more is lower cost packs in cheaper Ev's with smaller batteries that can practically be charged with the average home solar system. Then we will see mass adoption and a meaningful shift away from burning stuff to make it go. The byd seagul is a good example, 250/300km from a 30kw pack for about 12 grand practical to more than just rich twats.

[@jaaklucas1329]

The irony is China is leading the world in affordable Ecars but the CCP has made alot of enemies in the west.

[@donfarrell2359]

Let's talk about something more important like my cell phone battery.

[@AmpedAuto]

Yes, agree! The Shenxing Plus LFP battery is groundbreaking for electric vehicles, but cell phone batteries are probably more crucial in our daily lives. Maybe we can see this battery in smaller scale in the future :)

[@ngana8755]

I downvoted this video because it uses the term "LFP battery" without explaining what the acronym LFP stands for. The video also sounds like it was generated by AI.

[@jaaklucas1329]

LFP is lithium iron phosphate which is used alot now in Ecars. More stable than the lithium ion but not as energy dense. But this CATL version sounds like a big improvement so lets see..

[@nasirghaffar4408]

If you keep your eyes and ears open, you’ll see the acronym at 0:29 of the video. And if it was Ai generated, then you can generate it yourself right? Non-sense!

[@ФёдорЛукин-у1о]

Welcome to 2024

[@rabin_john]

How about the charging cycles before it hits 80% ?

[@AmpedAuto]

While exact figures may vary, the Shenxing Plus LFP battery is designed for longevity, maintaining performance over many charging cycles. CATL's rigorous testing ensures durability and optimal performance :)

[@lucasdruma100]

How can an LFP with 205wh/kg have a higher range then an NCM 811 battery with 300wh/kg. The battery size would have to be 200kw which would weigh an insane amount.

[@Not123Or]

CATL has publically announced 500 Wh/kg batteries in 2023. Google it.

[@KGopidas]

Commands a Nobel prize?

[@chualcvn9832]

Lithiun battery: Safe Charging time 2(fast)/8 hours Low/high temperature not fine or even stop working

[@AmpedAuto]

Lithium batteries have their considerations, like charging time and sensitivity to temperature fluctuations. However, advancements like the Shenxing Plus battery are addressing these issues with fast charging and improved performance in extreme temperatures.

[@jdr22web]

Does Shenxing Plus battery contain nickel ?

[@AmpedAuto]

No. It is a lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery, which means it utilizes iron phosphate as the cathode material instead of nickel. This choice of materials contributes to the battery's durability, safety, and environmental friendliness.

[@MuhammadAli-ki8lz]

what would be the price of it

[@AmpedAuto]

The exact price of this LFP battery isn't available yet. Pricing can vary based on market factors and subsidies. We need to stay tuned for updates from CATL :)

[@dyeace]

Downvoted because you invented rules to push on those who wish to comment

[@chualcvn9832]

Sodium battery: Safest Charging time - 15 minutes Low/high temperature, fine

[@AmpedAuto]

Sodium batteries do offer some advantages. However, they also have their own limitations and trade-offs. It's exciting to see how different battery technologies are evolving. What's your perspective on the future of battery technology?

[@advancedbodydesign]

Tesla is finishing its CATL Battery 🔋 Plant.... tik tok 💃 🕺

[@AmpedAuto]

Any collaboration between Tesla and CATL could lead to significant advancements in battery technology and production. Such partnership highlights the importance of innovation and collaboration in the electric vehicle industry. Good for the consumers.

[@billysmiley-j9f]

@@AmpedAuto CATL has supplied TESLA batteries forever. not new. The Model Y uses this very battery

[@Aedriaen]

I still believe in fairytales, but this is what I don't believe!

[@Parture]

This battery doesn't compare to QS

[@AmpedAuto]

QS batteries may excel in certain aspects, the Shenxing Plus battery brings its unique set of features and innovations to the table. It's all about finding the right balance of performance, safety, and efficiency for different applications. What specific features of QS batteries do you find most compelling?

[@Parture]

@@AmpedAuto Nothing compares to QS. What's also neat is QS can adjust its battery to the needs of the customer. For example, QS supports LFP and NMC.

[@billysmiley-j9f]

Will be a treat when QS solid state battery gets out there. 2025 maybe

[@Amaloyz]