CATL’s New Sodium/LFP Hybrid Battery solves the 2 biggest PHEV problems

[@John-p7i5g]

Hybrid batteries like this is the way to go. One for short term frequent use and direct delivery, the other for longer storage. The battery then shuffles charge between the two systems.

[@jfbaro2]

In Brazil, going fully electric is challenging due to the lack of fast chargers. The best option for now is hybrid vehicles, especially flex hybrids that run on ethanol or gasoline in any proportion. Personally, I only use ethanol because it’s better for the environment and cheaper.

[@Bio33-lg2bh]

Brazil gets 60% of their electricity from hydro and 20% from wind and solar. Hopefully BYD will set up a factory in Brazil and build affordable EV's. Electric cars are better than ethanol made from sugar cane. Brazil needs to adopt electric cars and have a mass build out of EV charging stations as soon as possible.

[@yohannessulistyo4025]

Unless you are compulsive road trippers, fast chargers are not really a solution - it is an aid tool, a temporary patch for people not used to EV usage pattern. Over 4 months of owning EV, I only use them 3 times, and all of that time is because I still haven't got chargers at home. My daily commute is 13-16 km back and forth (an average total of 30 km per day). Fast chargers ruins your battery for not so much gain or time savings. Not to mention that they impose premium 50-100% more expensive rate per kW than home electricity usage. You better off plugging into slow 7 kW chargers at work (if they have any), start from 8 AM, plug it in while your battery is at 25% and return home at 5 PM with full 100% 60 kW battery that should give you 320 km range at worst, 360 km on average, and 510 km on constant coasting / cruising traffic. The best way to own EV is to install your own home chargers and totally enjoy that off-peak electricity discount, where in Indonesia you can enjoy up 30% more savings on top of 400% typical savings you already get with EV. Bombastic savings number, I know, but the expensive EV price will take up all those savings in addition to the less maintenance cost and tax bonus - you ended up with the same number as you did if you buy normal gasoline car. You just waste less time taking a detour and queue at gas stations. Going hybrid in 2020 is like 15-20 years too late isn't it? Not good enough being ICE car, not good enough for EV. Unless you live really far (like 40-50 km away from work), it doesn't make any sense to force that overburdened gasoline engine to carry along heavy batteries. The hybrid compromise would cost you 40% more than a pure EV setup (in case of BYD Qin Plus PHEV vs BYD Atto 3 BEV).

[@John-p7i5g]

If you can charge a 30kWh PHEV battery as you get in the Shark 6 at 150kW, then you could recharge in about 12 minutes. That's not much longer than filling up with fuel. Which means you could fill up your charge on the road.

[@protagonist9716]

Correct

[@CatsMeowPaw]

With so many breakthroughs on an almost weekly basis, we're going to see these new batteries in EVs in a couple of months, right?

[@JoeyBlogs007]

However in very cold climates it might actually offer better range.

[@richpalmisano1740]

The issue with sodium Ion batteries is the voltage range during the discharge cycle. It's a wide range...very wide, whereas Lifepo4 chemistries are dead on 3 volts for 80% of the cycle.

[@daviddunmore8415]

Hybrids are an unfortunate half-way house originally (I believe) intended to be viable until battery tech could deliver 300+miles of range. But guess what? they do right now. Unless you live somewhere where the charging infrastrucure is not good, then Hybrids are redundant.

[@ytyaroon]

A good, efficient PHEV with an empty battery can still be an excellent hybrid and can, in the mountains for instance, still benefit from the bigger buffer AND the greater regen power compared to a normal hybrid. Toyota RAV4 and Ford Escape are very good at this sort of thing. Thing is, this works until a certain battery size...like say 15-20KWh....bigger than that gives you faster charging but also the weight penalty with an empty battery really starts to take its toll. If you want facts, look up the ecodriver youtube channel, he has done quite a bit of testing with these kind of scenario's.

[@MrArtist7777]

The need for sodium is quickly depleting as MASSIVE reserves of lithium are being found, almost every day, which will drastically reduce costs of lithium, which is superior to sodium, in every way. CATL should be focusing ALL efforts of making batteries solid state and highest capacity.

[@John-p7i5g]

Yep, the only case for a PHEV is if you can fast charge the battery on the road. Otherwise lugging around a battery you can't recharge is fairly pointless.

[@chris-t-4569]

Didn't CATL's battery plant just burn down? I give this comment about 30 seconds before it gets pulled. Lmao

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

Whatever pushes production of battery cells forward. I don't think hybrids is a great idea, but it seems like an ok entry point for those who scared of EVs.

[@lunatik9696]

Hybrids have generally been wrongly engineered from the git go. For the masses, the engine should run a generator powering electric wheel motors and have batteries for 50 miles range. The other use of hybrids would be have electric motors powering the A/C and/ or a super/ turbo charger providing a brief boost in power. Edison motors has the right idea.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Sodium is the future of EV and power grid batteries. Ubiquty of super charging networks will ensure that EV takeup is massive.

[@JSM-bb80u]

Sodium is the future of grid storage. And Aluminum will be the future of EVs.

[@BGS_123]

God, I watched the video and I got nothing. How is this battery any different compared to run-of-the-mill LiFePO4? Cheaper? Better low temperature performance. Why did they add sodium? What voltages will it run at? Sam winged about the articles, but I'm none the wiser after seeing the video

[@i6power30]

How is this battery different for PHEV vs regular EV? EXplain. I don't get it.

[@ISuperTed]

1st (after the bots!)

[@terryholton2829]

Holly hell???

[@markpark5550]

What about fire?

[@Tony-cs5hq]

LFP, no fire. Add salt, no fire

[@demokraatti]

PHEV Fast charging is mostly nonsense. The range is just not enough to justify charging in the middle of a long distance trip. You recharge your PHEV slowly at home and drive your average daily distance on electricity.

[@xlaylaylayx]

It does make sense for countries with expensive petrol and cheap electricity

[@demokraatti]

@@xlaylaylayx We have both of those but I still am not willing to stop every 50-100 km to charge my car. That short distance just doesn’t justify to time it takes to stop and charge.

[@dougsheldon5560]

Maybe the articles were AI generated.

[@arthurkirsch8188]

I have a 2024 rav4 prime we get up early in the morning 5 am that’s when we charge it up. Full charge take 2 and a half hours it’s done at 7 30 am. We live in a small town in mn. Only 2 miles from town we go in a couple of times a day so we only have to charge up every 3 or 4 days. We always switch over to gas when we get on the hyway over 30 mpg at 70 mph. Why would we want to use electric on the highway. We will wait until 2026 when Toyota puts an lfp battery in the rav4 electric before we use electric on the highway. Convenience we only waist time at the gas station never charging the rav4.

[@Car-crazy]

Yet another break through game changing battery, that never becomes reality, because it doesn't exist. If I received 1 dollar for every time I hear about these so called improved batteries I would have become a millionaire by now, lol. Batteries have platued in both power output and range. You can not beat physics!!! There is only so much density and power that a battery can store for any given cell size. You can't squeeze more out of a cell then the physical properties of the materials used allow. The only way to improve this anymore is by either inventing or the discovery of a totally new material. After 20 plus years battery tech has not improved hardly at all. Batteries have become bigger to handle the bigger useage required. With current tech unless you make the batteries even bigger you will not be able to get more power or range. 20 plus years and no one has made a break through battery, no one. It is just a fantasy and pipedream. Better to stick to making better and cleaner fuels for ice cars. The tech is already well developed and engines can be converted easily to run on a variety of fuels.

[@rogerthat2538]

Thank you, a factual statement. The EV fanboys live in fantasy world. Remember though, the eviking needs content so these videos will never end. If any of these so-called breakthroughs ever materialize, they're like 20 years down the road.

[@mabehall7667]

What is pointless is worrying about charging rates on a Phev! The whole Phev concept is based on taking it on a trip and not worry about the chargers while taking advantage of EV drive and savings around town. You certainly won’t save money charging on the road. A “pointless” video.

[@VickyBobbieie]

I bought a book on aphrodisiac foods to spice up our love life. Now my husband insists on eating oysters for every meal. I think he misunderstood the concept🧡