Why They Changed Sunday (Honkai: Star Rail Lore)

[@krazy167]

Sunday and Robin are so well written, they are essentially two side of the same coin. I also really love the portrayal of his childhood trauma and how it affected his mindset...absolute PEAK 😭

[@Cadmun]

Robin is an annoying little twat.

[@Bubbleflute]

Sunday had an overly protective motherly vibe towards humans, like he's watching over children who cant quite fend for themselves. He probably saw humans as fragile which made him step into that role of protecting everyone in a dream. His intention to keep humans in the dream was not born out of malice, but out of an overwhelming desire to shield humanity from pain and suffering. Like a parent who shelters a child too much. Because of the charminey dove incident, he like a guardian didn't believe that letting go of the hand is the only way for someoen to learn how to stand. In a way, sunday's actions can be seen as a tragic misinterpretation of love. He thought he was saving humanity from their own fragility, but in doing so, he stripped them of what made them human. This is a crux of his motherly nature, an overwhelming need to nurture and protect, even if it meant making decisions on behalf of others. Sunday wasn't evil, he was a guardian who loved humanity so fiercely that he sought to shield them from pain, creating a dream meant to be their sanctuary, yet in his devotion, he unknowingly sacrificed their freedom. It's a tragic reminder that even the purest intentions can cast the darkest shadows.

[@kyuutatsu]

Harpy hare where have you buried all your children… Is what comes to mind when thinking about Sunday. He buries his children out of a desire to protect them, but doesn’t realize it’s suffocating them.

[@migsrebsaber]

A splendid analysis on Sunday there. At the end, this old saying also applied to Sunday's intentions: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

[@SillySali]

What if Sunday’s motherly instincts to protect humans came from his mother who protected him and Robin even until her death.

[@migsrebsaber]

@@SillySali That would be done in a more positive light for him, and that will serve him well as he journeys into reality.

[@no_title0w0]

A certain galaxy ranger did say in his voicelines that 'To road to hell is paved with good intentions'

[@mith1783]

Sunday grew up in Penacony, spending awfully lot time in the dream. At some point he seemed to really lost contact with "reality". He didn't travel much outside, he was constantly surrounded by the same people, problems arising in Penacony and him in the end becoming the head of the family and shouldering everything by himself. I don't think he had any space to reflect on what he was doing. He really needed that wake-up call and a way to get out from that place. He never really truly lived. Hopefully his travel with the nameless won't stop soon. I want to see his growth as a character. He is the best written character in the whole game.

[@Mixtrelle]

unlike Robin, his whole life was trapped in a cage called penacony and gopher wood's ideal took roots deep within him. because of that, his noble goal lacked in means to achieve it, leaving him in contradictions and confusion. I'm glad he goes with the crew, not the IPC, so he can have a clearer view of the worlds and maybe clear his tainted name. sadly Jade is not the type of person who let things go without a gain on her end

[@LadyLunaNini88]

Sunday is just so well written, it's really hard to not love this man. I feel like in my opinion, Sunday is a character that developed the most out of all the Penacony characters; aside from Aventurine (Who's also had great character development). Sunday went from being the one trying to create a paradise that actually worked for a time, to one that lost everything by being rammed by a train and by the Astral Express and also being in prison. Now, he's trying to renew and start all over again while also trying to repent for all he's done til now. Sunday can learn to grow now and honestly, it feels like he's on a journey of healing and inspiration of finding his true paradise. I may have said too much, but I really can't help but talk about it, cause I love Sunday way too much.

[@Rose-bb4ze]

being rammed by a train 😭😭 pompom drunk driving

[@Jarubimba]

@@Rose-bb4ze Drunk? He was doing that shit on purpose

[@Mercenary_Contractor28383]

I'm convinced that Sunday and Aventurine are actually fragments of Otto Apocalypse😂

[@LuminescentQuarter]

Sunday looks like Ayato, had the role of Raiden in the story and the character development of Scara. They really put so much into this character. Such a masterpiece.

[@meghankanotz5589]

My only problem with Penacony is that the dialogue for me, and others, failed to get this story across. Even as I watched this video I had to re-word some things in my head to understand it better. Either way this video cleared up a lot of things for me so thanks! Hopefully the dialogue in Amphoreus will be much more clearer.

[@raline46]

ahaha glad i'm not the only one, especially since english is not my first language😭

[@sadamiamani]

Yeah it was real hard to understand

[@Asteria_Studio]

REAL

[@midnight.blue42]

same especially in 2.1 quest

[@kylone1]

Philosophy is a key part of Hoyoverse's works. It's worth thinking about the philosophies behind the story of Amphoreus.

[@silverjuly9339]

Reminds me of Buzz Lightyear quote : "This isn't flying, this is falling with style"

[@dorowoj4765]

I seriously suspect that these things that happened to Sunday and Robin were somehow planned by Wood. The dove wasn't a local bird for example. And somehow GW is always somewhere there in the shadows. I wouldn't be surprised if shooting Robin wasn't his doing as well. Maybe not direct but still. He used the more sensitive child as his pawn, playing with his honest feelings. Its an absolute tragedy that left Sunday scarred for life. I hope he can regain his true self on the express and start healing.

[@SillySali]

I also think gopher wood planned a lot of it and messed with Sunday’s perspective and himself in general, especially when you realise gopher wood is always there when something bad happens, which would affect Sunday since he overthinks a lot.

[@dorowoj4765]

@@SillySali Exactly. GW had his own plans and agenda. He wanted revenge. Sunday wasn't his successor or student. He was his tool to achieve it ;((

[@ChibitaMaora]

I completely agree with you. Sunday was just a pawn used by GW and that's so sad

[@Crunch-s8w]

Of course Groomer Wood planned all of this out

[@bluechicken8626]

01:44 One day after dinner

[@en_ye1112]

One ☝️ day ☀️, after ⏱️ dinner 🍽, while ⌛️ my 🫵 younger 🧒 sister 🦢 and I 📆 were lounging 🥱 about in Mr. Gopher 🦫 Wood’s 🪵 yard 📏, we 🦢📆 spotted 🐆 a fledgling 🐣 Charmony 🎶 Dove 🕊 all 🕵️‍♂️ on its own 😔. That baby 👶 bird 🕊 was tiny 🐥, it didn’t even ❌ have all 🔄 of its feathers 🪶, and it couldn’t sing 🎶. When we found 🧐 it, it was already ⚠️ on its last 😢 breath 💨, having fallen ⬇️ into a shrub 🌳- probably 🤔 abandoned 🏃‍♂️ by its parents 👨‍👩‍👧. We decided 💡 to build 🏗 a nest 🪺 for it right 🕰 there and then ⌚️. However 🛑, thinking 💭 back 🕰, that winter ❄️ was unusually ⛔️ cold 🥶, with fierce 🐯 winds 🌬 at night 🌙 in the yard 🏡, not to mention 🗣 the many 🍀 poisonous ☠️ bugs 🦟 and wild 🐗 beasts 🐻 in the vicinity 📍... It was clear 🧐 that if we left 🚶‍♂️ the fledgling 🐣 in the yard 🌳, it stood 🚫 no chance 🎰 of surviving 💀 until spring 🌼. So 🌐, I suggested 💬 we take 🛐 it inside 🏠, place 🛋 it on the shelf 🗄 by the window 🪟, and asked 🫵 the adults 👨‍👩‍👧 to fashion 🧵 a cage 🦜 for it. We decided 🧠 that when it regained 💪 its strength 🦾 enough to spread 👐 its wings 🪽, we would release 🏃 it back 🔙 into the wild 🌳. The tragic 😢 part - something 🧠 that we’d never ❌ considered 🤔- was that this bird 🕊’s fate 🎭 had already ⚠️ been determined 📝 long 🕰 before 🕛 this moment 🔴... Its destiny 🔮 was determined 🗣 by our momentary ⏳ whim 🌬. Now 🕰, I pass 🎁 the power 💪 of choice ⚖️ to you all 🫵. Faced with this situation 🚨, what choice ⚖️ would you make 🤔? Stick to 🖇 the original 🏁 plan 🗺, and build 🛠 a nest 🪺 with soft 💫 net 🎣 where the Charmony 🎶 Dove 🕊 fell ⬇️? Or build 🏗 a cage 🦜 for it, and feed 🍽 it, giving 👐 it the utmost 🏆 care 🫂 from within 🔄 the warmth 🔥 of a home 🏠? I eagerly ⏳ await ⏱️ your answer 🗣

[@KittyNatiquinha]

Noooooo

[@King_Vavos]

Oh hell nah

[@simpleweeb2257]

​@@King_Vavos what is this i dont understand

[@Jarubimba]

@@simpleweeb2257 One day, after dinner, while my younger sister and I were lounging about in Mr. Gopher Wood's yard, we spotted a fledgling Charmony Dove all on its own. That baby bird was tiny, it didn't even have all of its feathers, and it couldn't sing. When we found it, it was already on its last breath, having fallen into a shrub - probably abandoned by its parents. We decided to build a nest for it right there and then. However, thinking back, that winter was unusually cold, with fierce winds at night in the yard, not to mention the many poisonous bugs and wild beasts in the vicinity... It was clear that if we left the fledgling in the yard, it stood no chance of surviving until spring. So, I suggested we take it inside, place it on the shelf by the window, and asked the adults to fashion a cage for it. We decided that when it regained its strength enough to spread its wings, we would release it back into the wild. The tragic part - something that we'd never considered - was that this bird's fate had already been determined long before this moment... Its destiny was determined by our momentary whim.

[@RazeluxeMeitzen7]

Sunday is basically victim of years and years of grooming

[@CyraltSamuel]

One can say if you want to truly to be healed from the wound it is a journey of vulnerability and opening oneself to infinite possibilities 😊

[@vanta789]

1:46 One day, after dinner...

[@altherna2999]

An earth shattering realisation that they are twins 😭 also im trying to figure out if sunday ever had lower wings or not ;;

[@jinnah6524]

the twin thing was just metaphorical, i think. sunday and robin refer to each other as brother and sister in english, but in chinese, japanese, and korean, they refer to each other as older brother and younger sister (or younger sibling) respectively

[@mith1783]

Sunday is an older brother. The twins part is a metaphor

[@trollcreativestudios1084]

they are not twins, sunday is older

[@capella5733]

They are twins???? Look at Robin and Sunday’s myriad celestia, most of the time they have the same heights. Calling your twin older sibling is also normal.

[@trollcreativestudios1084]

@@capella5733 sunday literally says multiple times that robin is his younger sister... pay some attention to the dialogues please...

[@idixal1836]

I really appreciate this video. I’ve enjoyed and understood most of Sunday’s arc, but failed to piece together that the Watchmaker’s question was actually just a personal challenge to Sunday (and Gopher Wood before him, presumably). It felt strange to me that in a story arc that was such a brilliant commentary on nihilism, they echoed the question “Why do people slumber”, which bluntly, seems really obvious to most people. But it wasn’t to Sunday, groomed to see the world in a specific light from a very young age. So that question was less important for the story arc as a whole, and more for Sunday’s character arc.

[@themidnightotaku22]

Seeing Sunday’s character on full display it actually isn’t too far off from mine. I’ve even… always dreamed of having a sister growing up to. Pipe organs have always been one of my favorite instruments as well, either conveying grand bliss or terrifying tragedy in my tastes… Penacony’s very concept freaks me out though so Sunday just ends up feeling like a superficial version of me in the end. Mmm, creepy.

[@Crunch-s8w]

Are you alright 😢

[@wantsomeoreos3467]

Send this to Molly lol she'd be amazed by this tbh

[@maninanikittycat4238]

Gopher Wood was the real villain all along.

[@migsrebsaber]

And he won. The trope "The Bad Guy Wins" apply in the Penacony arc sadly. Having achieved his missions, that is when GW committed suicide so that Sunday can take the fall for him.

[@Kenvious7]

I Love this character so much ! Thank you !

[@mayamoon9207]

Ngl I hated Sunday at first. To me he felt arrogant and controlling and like he was trying to prove that his view was the only right view. But with the latest Trailblaze mission I've come to respect him a lot. He's doing his best to right his wrongs and he's not expecting people to just forgive him. He's an amazingly well written character and I really like him now

[@mith1783]

I don't think I have ever seen such well written character in gatcha game. I am glad you started to like him more :)

[@UltimateMixing]

Will you make a video where you compile everything that happned in Penacony from start to finish? Cause tbh I've forgotten a lot haha

[@hermanda_nugas]

Remind me of scaramouche, even the blue-white outfit. But scramouche’s act is more about selfishness, which was rooted from him not being created with a heart + being tricked by dottore. I’ve seen many anime tropes about good guy being a baddie after their innocent self got broken that hard (Nagato, Obito) so I can relate to scaramouche. While ini sunday’s case, well, he never be that evil guy to begin with. In contrast, he is a good guy from the start, just being blinded by his perspectives towards his people

[@chichichai_]

11:09 in hindsight, this line shows us that sunday joining the astral express isn't as drastic as it might seem. this desire is pretty much what it means to trailblaze, it's just also contradictory because he intends to use the order still

[@kevinsh91]

One ☝ day ☀, after ⏱ dinner 🍽 , while ⌛ my 🫵 younger 🧒 sister 🦢 and I 📆 were lounging 🥱 about in Mr. Gopher 🦫 Wood’s 🪵 yard 📏, we 🦢📆 spotted 🐆 a fledgling 🐣 Charmony 🎶 Dove 🕊 all on its own 🫵. That baby👶 bird 🐦 was tiny 🧈, it didn’t even have all of its feathers 🪶 , and it couldn’t sing 🎶 . When we 📆🦢 found 🔍 it, it was already on its last breath 💨, having fallen 🍃 into a shrub 🪴- probably abandoned 🏚 by its parents 🧑‍🧑‍🧒. We 🦢📆 decided to build 🔨 a nest 🪹 for it 🕊 right there👇 and then ⏰. However, thinking back, that winter ❄ was unusually cold 🥶 , with fierce 🐅winds💨 at night🌘 in the yard 📏, not to mention the many poisonous ☠ bugs 🐛 and wild 😡beasts 🦁 in the vicinity... It was clear 🪟that if we left the fledgling 🕊in the yard📏, it stood no chance of surviving 💀until spring 🌹. So, I suggested we take it inside🏠, place it on the shelf by the window 🪟, and asked the adults 👨 to fashion 👗 a cage 🩻 for it. We decided that when it regained 🏋 its strength 💪 enough to spread 🧈 its wings 🪽, we🦢📆 would release 🪽 it 🕊back into the wild 🌳. The tragic 😱 part - something that we’d 📆🦢 never considered - was that this bird’s 🕊fate ☸ had already been determined 🎯 long before this moment ⏰... Its destiny 🕸 was determined 🎯by our momentary whim. Now⏱, I 📆pass the power of choice to you🫵 all. Faced 🤔with this situation, what choice 🎰would you 🫵 make? Stick 🦯 to the original plan, and build a nest 🪹 with soft 🥎net 🥅where the Charmony 🎶Dove 🕊fell🍂? Or build 🔨a cage 🩻 for it, and feed 🥪 it, giving it the utmost care ❤ from within the warmth 🔥of a home 🏠 ? I📆 eagerly await your answer🗣

[@noinam24]

Ph god no

[@midnight.blue42]

Very good video now I undestand Sunday more

[@phrinus]

1:21. Where did you even het this info? He wasn't "not good" at singing, it's just one time he ate an egg tart before his singing lesson, and that made his voice sound hoarse. There is simply no indication he was particularly worse than her at singing.

[@renflare2570]

On an unrelated note: Will you be doing a summary for the Simulated universe: Unknowable domain?just like with the other 2 other SU expansions summary you did?

[@doveangelolacuesta7819]

Sundya story is Peak!!!! as a human that has flaws, realizing that he needs to change. MAY YOU REGAIN YOUR BROKEN WINGS Sunday.

[@ioannishussein8038]

That was a wonderful moment for Sunday to have a massive story.

[@cakefrosting6451]

I never noticed that Wonweek and child Sunday had the same voice… i wonder if it’s possible to check

[@mith1783]

They do. His VA is doing such great job voicing him

[@weeefwaff3995]

I do also think that train crashed into him many times in the boss fight is like a wake up call for sunday. Life like to experience pain and struggle which you learn to experience to learn yourself feels living but in the dream, you dont feel like ur living at all rather no pain or struggle means it feels like sleeping- (woops i ended up yapping)

[@9Tailsfan]

Let's not forget Sunday is a priest. I would have liked to see more details like. How long did he study and train to get ordained? Does the Family require their clergy members to take a vow of celebacy? Meaning NO romance or sex. Did he ever serve in the Military as a Military Chaplain? Did he ever serve on the Police force as a Police Chaplain?

[@HelloFam]

I see Sunday lore i click

[@reuby6726]

Why I can related so much to Sunday, seeing so much suffering around me and he also suffers along , YOu should do another for Aventurine cause he to somewhats shares a similar fate

[@to.ri.3]

anyone please explain to me about gopher wood: what became of him after sunday was defeated and arrested, and what is he doing now that penacony is getting back on its feet and sunday has left for the nameless? i paid close attention to the story until 2.1, missed some dialogues in 2.2, and just outright bored and skipped dialogues in 2.3 😂😂 but i still kinda want to know

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

He just died

[@to.ri.3]

@@asafesseidonsapphire huhh? really? when? ._.

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

@@to.ri.3 when the bird fall in the floor

[@KittyNatiquinha]

Holy shit why does he have do get me so depressed every single time he appears on any screen 😭

[@spymadmax584]

1:41 noo...noooooooo......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! NOT AGAIN!!!!!,

[@tenta9876]

This shit got me tearing up bro

[@Kuhyacook]

can you do a story recap of hsr ? that would be cool

[@Lucas_ssss]

6:18 whats the name of the bgm at this time

[@Selemione]

Halfway House, Dreams's Edge

[@Lucas_ssss]

@@Selemione thank you so much

[@Selemione]

@Lucas_ssss No problem!

[@Etbgbr]

K epicardo

[@hayeonkim7838]

🤍✨️🩵✨️🤍

[@shabrinaazzahra919]

wait, robin and sunday are actually twins??? 😮 how did u know that. I read the main story but, i didnt find anything about them being twins

[@symmol27]

Gopher Wood refers to them as "twins of Order"

[@insxnemxnd3127]

Didn't watch fully so here's my thoughts before video: I still don't understand how or what changed him 🗿 for me it's like he changed out of nowhere for me

[@CyraltSamuel]

@@insxnemxnd3127 welp not all things can be explained properly so for now we can just enjoy the story (even me here can only understand in simple manner; people who are corrupted base on Sunday still not fully corrupted due to everyone effort)

[@krazy167]

His defeat because of the nameless was the main reason. It made him realize that his way of attaining his dream was wrong

[@Butterscotch2319]

He had always been someone with a good heart just the wrong approach to achieve his dreams. 2.2 was basically a battle of ideals between the nameless and Sunday which is why Sunday kept asking us what we would do for the charmony dove or what we would do if we were in his shoes when Robin got injured. 2.7 just showed us that he’s on a journey of discovery of himself and of his ideals.

[@jackinuzuki2890]

It is when he got defeated, he saw humans as weak creatures and meant to be protected, even if they are trapped in a cage they can live, since most of the people he interacted with are people who want to escape from reality, prisoners of the dreams and criminals in the sweet dream, he hadn't interacted with humans who want to better themselves or not give up.

[@spacejay2677]

thank you for covering this. i find myself becoming very interested in and attached to some hsr characters, one of the recent ones being sunday. i relate to him immensely. i watch cutscenes and voice lines of the characters, but will never play the game or have the full picture. i will always be missing details about the characters and lore, and have to learn the little i can learn out of order and in a disjointed manner. sunday's story is so well written, the allegories with him and robin are just poetry!! so, thank you for putting everything in context and piecing this together. 🫡