Caught doing the 'California roll' can get you fined

Getting a ticket from the Mountain Recreation and Conservation Authority is not the same as a ticket issued by a cop or a Highway Patrol officer. It doesn’t count against your driving record or your insurance rates. But failure to pay can impact your credit score and possibly result in debt collectors coming after you. KTLA's David Lazarus reports on May 13, 2024. Details: ktla.com
KTLA 5 News - Keeping Southern Californians informed since 1947.

[@rafimontoya8452]

Sound like robbery disguised as safety 😂

[@Jonathaneve5]

If you make a full stop which you supposed to. What’s there to worry about?

[@reversalmushroom]

@@Jonathaneve5 This is such a non-issue the park shouldn't care about. Greed on the part of the government.

[@I1ght961]

@@Jonathaneve5you’re already at about 5 mph and can stop on a dime if theres another car, i dont see the problem?

[@AwkwardYet]

@@I1ght961 Not hard to you know just stop like youre supposed to

[@YodatheHobbit]

IT LITERALLY SAYS FULL STOP. IT"S NEVER BEEN LEGAL TO NOT. YOUR FRIEND TELLING IT IS WAS WAS LYING.

[@187-v5q]

they have nothing better to do I swear.

[@CALILIFE8251]

They just love finding ideas to get money out of peoples pockets

[@charliecarter1878]

@@CALILIFE8251yup

[@unkono]

It's a money maker.

[@itsmepappiepaper9704]

It isn't hard to be safe on the road. Just be smart lmao. Are people incapable of stopping for 3 seconds so that they dont hit and potentially kill someone?

[@Kaybtoyz1968]

At 1 mi an hour 😂​@@itsmepappiepaper9704

[@mrtee3477]

take them to court.

[@BlueRice]

actually the court would like to favor the drivers since the court and their associates then get paid. just like the traffic camera, the court are against it as it doesnt bring revenue to them but third party people makes the money

[@TradingTheta89]

Who has time and money for court?

[@woodriver648]

Jesus, they don't take shoplifters, drug dealers, and a myriad of other FELONS to court. Ain't Commiefornia GREAT!

[@bambur1]

let them take me to court. Let them send it to debt collectors. They have zero authority and are overstepping their bounds

[@woodriver648]

You ignore a simple law like stopping completely at a stop sign. What does it save you? Three freaking seconds, There absolutely no reason NOT to stop.@@bambur1

[@olivrrrr]

Those cameras will get vandalized soon! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TinkletitsMcGee]

🤞

[@mikeydude750]

some good Samarian is gonna come with some spray paint

[@dushooter]

Spray paint and crazy glue for keylocks

[@ChrisPatrick-q6k]

Felony

[@BajatheChickenMan]

Let's hope. this is scummy.

[@TnTHedo]

Go ahead and shoplift $999 without any consequence. "Roll" through a stop sign and suddenly you are held liable.

[@creepingalien9055]

It's crazy bro, they really try taking your money at any opportunity

[@debbiepreciado1956]

😂

[@nnbadboy]

​@bellinghamfpv no it's illegal just not a felony.

[@michellehawkins1027]

Both are wrong,I wish there were harsher punishments for both. Not this pay a fine and you can keep on endangering others BS.

[@cerebrumexcrement]

@bellinghamfpv theres the death sentence. why waste our time making an arrest.

[@teejaybee8222]

Got one of these. Didn't pay. They put these in the most random places to trick people into rolling the stop. For example, I got mine at the Top of Topanga area on Topanga Cyn Road. They put the stop sign about 25-50ft behind where you actually merge onto the road so you end up going a bit further beyond the camera sensor and they "catch" you in the act. With the stop sign so far back, you are unable to see if cars are coming safely, so any (safe) driver will pull out further than the stop sign so they can see over the crest of the hill before merging. It's deceptive and not in the interest in safety (no pedestrian crossings or other hazards nearby) and all to generate revenue for MRCA. I can understand wanting to get some revenue to keep up the park, but this is the wrong way to do it. Do it like any other park and charge parking fees.

[@pablohassan6897]

If they have moved the signs back without the relevant approval from the department of transport and infrastructure, and someone is killed in an accident as a result, I'd imagine a HUGE lawsuit would follow.

[@andrewli1519]

It's the city's job to manage the parks and the roads, and also, u do give me the thought if they (this real or fake organization), just randomly installing stop signs at places were there wasn't one or shouldn't be there, just scare people out of their money. And another thing to, how do they have access to ur credit info? That's a bit strange...

[@noseboop4354]

@@andrewli1519 Anybody can have access to your credit info by paying for the service at one of the credit bureau (eg TransUnion or Equifax).

[@frankthetank4101]

Just stop at the stop sign and then creep forward it really not that hard.

[@stainlesssteellemming3885]

How do you get "tricked into rolling the stop sign"? You CHOOSE not to stop.

[@rafael82x]

Sounds more like a scam

[@mikeswanson6145]

The conservation of their own pocket books

[@tommydong8070]

How is it a scam?

[@Kenny49ERS]

It def is

[@Kenny49ERS]

@@tommydong8070 because you don’t have to pay it 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@choleluvstoshop8134]

it is unnecessary policing at a stop sign where there is NO other cars!

[@Trollemharder]

Send me a FAKE ticket, I'll be seeing you in court.

[@Jonathaneve5]

Waste a week of your work…

[@Trollemharder]

@@Jonathaneve5 I'm retired, It would be entertaining, hope it's you....

[@Jonathaneve5]

@@Trollemharder me what??? Go enjoy your time at court, lol.

[@Trollemharder]

@@Jonathaneve5 It's "in", not "at", I smell a foreign troll.

[@Jonathaneve5]

@@Trollemharder I’m not an American because I misused a word? Have a good day, sir!

[@tfustudios]

But participating in a sideshow, shooting off guns will not.

[@ivandragomiloff2356]

You forgot Crossing the international border and demanding free stuff

[@Robgeee]

Shooting off guns? I didn’t know they did that at sideshows lol

[@lauralarrabee7870]

Different agencies have different responsibilities, MRCA will do backup on occasion but they mostly police the homes around the mountains. They are state funded and are a legit organization. Mostly at beck and call of the homeowners around the mountains.

[@gofar12345]

Don't forget the super loud, unnecessary vehicle mufflers!

[@mrtopcat2]

@@gofar12345 I recently wrote to my representative about that. It seems over the years exhausts are just getting louder and louder AND on more and more vehicles. On weekends it is difficult to enjoy some popular recreational areas any more because of all the noise of loud piped cruisers.

[@minlou4639]

Tough times when your local park officials have to become scammers. But they think it’s ok because they put signs up letting you know.

[@arthouston7361]

The irony is that stopping and then accelerating causes more emissions than a roll.

[@JoeMama-xu8sb]

exactly😂

[@weskelly4538]

This is the one time I think emissions are not the concern

[@mist2498]

​@@weskelly4538 it aint.. but thats just something that "rolling" helps out with.. aint much but hey its something! And something is ALWAYS better than nothing

[@arcadion448]

Many things are more efficient when you break the law. Cheat on your taxes for example.

[@anon2414]

Full stop is not stated for emissions. Never was.

[@insaneworld8477]

This is what you call extortion and a scam.

[@Jonathaneve5]

How is it a scam?

[@ValiantPixel]

@@Jonathaneve5Because most people who get these notices will think that they are related to their driving record when they are not. It’s an abuse of public perception of these types of fines.

[@logantopper908]

I'm surprised nobody destroyed the cameras yet

[@weeblordgaming6062]

Give it some time

[@michellehawkins1027]

Yeah someone who doesn't care about endangering others by just rolling threw a stop sign,won't care about destroying property.

[@theultimatetroll2852]

This is a straight up scam you shouldn't have to pay a dime bro

[@elfm2717]

Maybe you should come to a complete stop and get off the phone with ur boyfriend,bro.

[@tommydong8070]

How is it a scam munkei? That is a stop sign. Would you like to get a point put on your driving record and your insurance cost goes up? Yes, I misspelled that word.

[@mhaas281]

Isn't rolling through a stop sign illegal?

[@B345T1N355Official]

@@tommydong8070Actually the reporter at 1:15 or so clarifies that it is just a fine, you don’t get points on your record and it doesn’t affect your insurance.

[@choleluvstoshop8134]

A rigid stop isn't the goal, public safety is! If its safe, people should be allowed roll.

[@devengudinas1649]

No cop no stop.

[@Jonathaneve5]

Lol

[@numlol1]

I got one of these in the mail from a car I used to lease and was turned in. What i wanna know is why does these tickets bypass insurance rates and impacts credit score? Something really shady is happening here somebody is getting rich in this gray area.

[@MerlinDaCat]

Because they aren't real tickets. Even if it goes to collections they have to prove it's your. Simply don't acknowledge them and they go away.

[@cincoosaan]

Sounds like blackmail, and now I smell a lawsuit.

[@nonyabusiness4151]

In America, at least 75% of STOP signs should actually be YIELD signs.

[@SCSC-qz7rr]

This should be illegal! They’re posing as they are som kind of law authority to basically get your money 😡 I hope a huge civil action lawsuit comes out of this!😡😡😡

[@matthew8036]

How are the accessing the DMV database for registered owner info when the are not law enforcement

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

You just connect to the DMV. I got in an accident in the 90s and not long after, I got notification from DMV stating they gave registered vehicle list to some law firm. Then, I got another that the law firm got my driving record.

[@popcorn5130]

"While MRCA Park Rangers are California Peace Officers, they also perform maintenance, interpretation, and fire rescue duties at parks throughout the Southern California region. Automated stop sign enforcement uses camera systems and sensors to detect stop sign violations. A stop sign violation consists of a vehicle not coming to a complete stop behind the limit line. The violation is detected and the camera system records a video image of the entire incident including the vehicle and its surroundings. Automated enforcement of stop signs in heavily used parks makes sense as an additional tool to keep all park users safe, while making drivers more aware of the potential hazards around them. Is this a courtesy notice? No. This is not a courtesy notice. A California Peace Officer has issued this citation after reviewing the evidence of a driving violation."

[@B1onicelbow420]

@@popcorn5130ok sap. This isn’t helping anybody but their own pockets nobody has been killed by a rolling stop

[@mikeymarriott]

Every DMV sells your information now. Standard operating procedure. That’s how carvana can access your information just by entering your tag on their website.

[@silverblue9286]

Looks like the park rangers are far and few. Im glad they cut rangers retirement benefits and employee cuts. But heres your rolling stop camera. ​@@popcorn5130

[@jeffhuggins64]

Mountain Recreation and Conservation Authority management needs to be LOCKED UP..............................................

[@Bricked_iPhone]

I was expecting Sushi

[@rachelwaln269]

Lol. I thought it was the name of the latest dance craze 😂.

[@TheFirmest]

it should be a yield not a stop sign

[@patrickh619]

then they cannot steal money from drivers now, can they?

[@disan9135]

This 🙌

[@Jonathaneve5]

@@patrickh619if you follow the “stop Sign rule…”

[@c.s.440]

Yet, they wont arrest actual criminals 🤔

[@arvurebantra7639]

The parks department is NOT the police.

[@popcorn5130]

@@arvurebantra7639 "While MRCA Park Rangers are California Peace Officers, they also perform maintenance, interpretation, and fire rescue duties at parks throughout the Southern California region. Automated stop sign enforcement uses camera systems and sensors to detect stop sign violations. A stop sign violation consists of a vehicle not coming to a complete stop behind the limit line. The violation is detected and the camera system records a video image of the entire incident including the vehicle and its surroundings. Automated enforcement of stop signs in heavily used parks makes sense as an additional tool to keep all park users safe, while making drivers more aware of the potential hazards around them. Is this a courtesy notice? No. This is not a courtesy notice. A California Peace Officer has issued this citation after reviewing the evidence of a driving violation."

[@YodatheHobbit]

To risk an innocent person's bodily injury is a crime.

[@standardarm63]

I'm a full stopper. Its about looking right. Left, right, and left.

[@Awesome_Aasim]

Stop signs suck. Replace them with yield triangles and priority diamonds in 90% of cases. The only time a stop sign should be used is when visibility is so low so as to compromise safety at the junction.

[@clippertalk]

If it’s for public safety, they shouldn’t hide the cameras

[@aftertheheadlines]

Private Citizen video of an infraction vs municipal money making video. I have turned in to police and animal control dozens of videos of the pitbull next door jumping the fence at the sidewalk and charging people walking by, jumping the fence and attacking a dog being walked, charging my property where I had to install a gate to stop it from running to our rear cottage. Tolerating at least five different men running in my backyard to retrieve the pit. Both animal control and police saying nothing can be done until the pitbull bites someone. I was told by multiple officers they cannot issue a loose leash violation because it is an infraction and must be witnessed by an officer. I asked how my video doesn’t suffice as evidence and was told by one officer he was an expert in Constitutional Law and then he schooled me about the infractions. Of course if the pit bites someone they will ask for the same videos. My point, video from the public for public safety video doesn’t suffice for an infraction citation, yet for traffic cameras making money for the City or County they do suffice.

[@collinsmuerte]

Giant sign says "Photo Enforced" soooo, you know camera are in the area LMAOO

[@mhaas281]

Camera is not hidden. It's in a enclosed case for it's protection and there is a big yellow sign telling you about it

[@gofar12345]

California is something else 😂

[@justhere4721]

It's a moving violation which they're not allowed to give and collect on. Thats why they can only send it to your credit report as an unpaid debt in hopes that you will just pay it.

[@1000ranch]

You don't get caught on stealing up to $900 but got fined to roll a Stop sign. That is CALIFORNIA!

[@stratfordbaby8572]

If it's not a ticket then they can't do anything against your credit score. That's a scam. They don't have the power to fine you.

[@Slyfox1775]

But you can walk into a store and steal less then 900$ of goods !

[@MauriceOrtiz-ut8yi]

I did that once, when I was a younsterin front of a police squad car waiting for similar violators and I noticed him as I was engaged in the roll so I immediately pulled over, had my license and registration ready and waited for my citation. When he got to my window I told him I stopped because I broke the law. He let me go saying, " next Stop sign stop twice." I couldn't believe my good fortune and his kindness. I imagine he's been long retired and I hope he's in good health.

[@Akaedyson]

Hahaha. What an adorable story.

[@MauriceOrtiz-ut8yi]

@@Akaedyson ain't it though'

[@juliangarcia2010]

👎THIS IS RIDICULOUS. For example I remember when I first moved to L.A. parking to the Griffith Observatory was always free now you have to pay for parking. This is what this “Conservationist Group” should do. Charge a small fee for parking. This is beyond shady and deceptive.

[@hattag3399]

There doing the same thing at etiwanda falls the parking used to be free now you have to pay for it people just need money so bad they be finding ways to make it

[@jameschan9634]

Parking isn't cheap any where. I was at Highland and Hollywood, parking was $20! Heck, Las Vegas casinos charge for parking,! That's nuts, as if they don't have enough cash flow! it's just turned into another cash cow.

[@Lotty126]

I went to a doctor office in Burbank and there charging for parking as well it was like 10 bucks my poor 10 dollar I could’ve used that to fix my computer.

[@tod-sm1xk]

Sometimes Mr bean’s idea does come in handy

[@Otter1746]

Now my college is starting to charging for parking as well it was free when pandemic started but there going to start charging it now people so thirsty when is comes to money

[@anonymousmc7727]

I bet those cameras have lots of copper in them😂

[@s8x.]

meanwhile crime the highest it’s ever been and they focused on this😂😂😂😂

[@stevefritz5182]

In Mexico, if you don't do this you screw up the entire flow of traffic. You are more likely to get a ticket for stopping than for not.

[@jgmgreen01]

it will get ticketed, but we won't pay the "fine" THIS IS A SCAM

[@t500010000]

OMG that ticket ain't real?! Not paying 😂😂😂

[@thefox47545]

The ticket may not be real but the collections agency is. How that works I have no idea.

[@lifedeather]

Rip ur credit score

[@ribstogo12]

However, the stop sign is very real.

[@Reezy884]

There are more important things to worry about than people stopping at stop signs

[@popcorn5130]

This is a dipsh*t comment.The system is primarily automated, so there aren't many people "worrying about" it... and it's lucrative (i.e., lots of "entitled" drivers who think they can disobey), so they can afford to have a few people handle the non-automated parts without detrimentally affecting all their other "worries."

[@JohnSmith-xx9th]

Very good point

[@TheHuskyK9]

If you aren’t authorized by state government to hand out citations, then you shouldn’t be handing out citations.

[@NightSociety]

Looks like better suited for a 'Yield' than a stop sign

[@Jonathaneve5]

Obey the stop sign…

[@dylan132]

I would never pay any fine that a police department didn't issue me.

[@efeG24]

Thats extortion wtf😂

[@courtneyscott6857]

Don't do the California roll. Complete stop

[@ronbelanger4113]

Rolling through a stop area has always been illegal.

[@choleluvstoshop8134]

If we care about the environment as we say we do; we don't want cars sitting, idling at a stop sign when its safe ti go forward slowly.

[@thefox47545]

Sure, so is going 1 mph over the speed limit. But you have never done that, ever, right? If you have you should turn yourself in because you're a criminal according to the letter of the law.

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

Stopping at a stop sign barely affects the environment… What about traffic jams? Those pollute WAY more.

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

You almost have a fair argument, but you fail to consider that not stopping at an all way when somebody else has the right of way before you is an EASY way to end up causing an accident, where even going 5 mph over isn’t dangerous, especially if you’re actually a good driver.

[@therichtershow]

this is normal in other countries... you slow down near a stop sign, if you see there's no cars coming, then proceed, no need to make a full stop for nothing.

[@Leonard_MT]

This just proves that most stop signs in North America should be yield signs.

[@JohnSmith-xx9th]

Does that include Mexico?

[@Leonard_MT]

@@JohnSmith-xx9th I'm not 100% sure on stop sign usage in Mexico but considering that they basically also adopted the MUTCD, I think it is likely that Mexico overuses stop signs as well.

[@WolfDShadow]

​@JohnSmith-xx9th based on how those who have illegally crossed the border drive clearly stop signs are a unknown concept to them.

[@YodatheHobbit]

If you were in charge of anything millions would die.

[@Leonard_MT]

@@YodatheHobbit Oh, I guess Europe is a barren wasteland then. Apparently everyone died there because of yield signs.

[@dwoodinnyc]

Where are those cameras again? Can someone please post the location so we can all go take a look for ourselves.

[@edwarddickson7731]

MRCAs truck will get ticketed so MRCA will have to pay $100 to MRCA😂. What a deterrent!!

[@2ification]

Mrca’s acting like they above the law

[@hattag3399]

I hope they have employee discount

[@cnc-maker]

1) They have no legal authority to issue traffic citations in CA. 2) Stop light cameras are illegal in CA, and it could be argued that this is an extension of that.

[@michellehawkins1027]

Love how this guy's holding his kid accountable. Probably thinks speeding is just fine as well. My kid would not be driving for a while if I found out they rolled through a stop sign, and they would have paid the park for doing so as well.

[@kevrolld]

California drivers are this bad?! Yikes

[@jasonmichaelshipp2978]

The California Roll is sushi

[@riceball777]

This happen to me as well as red light tickets all send via mail and I have learned that there are no consequences if you just ignore and don’t pay these tickets. There are only consequences for moving violations when they are given to you in person when you are pulled over by a police officer.

[@AccountInactive]

Except when they're issued by an officer later and put a lein/suspension on your registration.

[@WolfDShadow]

They were talking about red light cameras the other day on the radio, turns out the cities who actually upgraded their cameras to be compliant with the requirements to have the tickets be enforceable if you even challenge the ticket you already lost the case because they have high quality photos of both your places on the car and a photo of the driver you could use as a head shot when trying to get modeling and acting gigs so their is no question who was driving or if you ran the light. They also only cam issue tickets to cars going straight through a red light not turning even if there is no right turn on red signs around.

[@riceball777]

@@WolfDShadow bases on my research I personally have choose to ignored these types of tickets and there are no negative consequences. Meaning there is nothing happens to the owners of the cars driving history or credit or insurance. No points on record. The tickets are just a scare tactic to get people to pay with no real consequences when you just ignore the tickets. You only loose when you pay the ticket or show up to court to try to fight the ticket.

[@ricktbdgc]

I heard, a random man once setup a booth to collect parking fees at a local zoo, and for 25 years made millions on fees. The zoo staff thought it was the city collecting fees so they never stopped him. The parking was free the whole time he was not working for the city. When he was ready to retire, he took down the booth and disappeared.

[@jtpalooki7757]

Just another HOA toe power grab!

[@Killyang]

Instead of worrying about people committing minor traffic violations why don’t the police focus on arresting shoplifters and DAs focus on PROSECUTING them!!

[@GustavoRodriguez-bh1un]

What a shame of abusing a system that is not even regulated by the CALTRANS or DMV. Both sides are wrong.Because it is a federal, state, and public land, it should have put it into a vote to post those traffic cameras. Now, driving is a privilege. therefore, we are supposed to be driving correctly and the right way, whether someone is watching us or not. These cameras should be taken down and seized by proper authorities until lawful applications and permition are given. Should this be a fraud or scam ?. "Private property " is NOT a reason.

[@stevepettersen3283]

Instead of complaining about it, like red light cameras, etc. maybe people should obey the law?

[@HermesTrismegistes369]

If you completely stop people will HONK at you! 😂

[@hansonel]

I read the title as "doing the 'California Roll' can get you fired" 😂

[@emmanuelpichay1808]

I wonder how they’re giving citation to local law enforcement😂

[@Dixie_Normiz]

Those cameras are like robo karens.

[@20alphabet]

Oh, you mean the kind of stops cops do?

[@fabicorona13]

Cops just turn on their lights to blow through lights and then turn them off after.

[@ZynyakTheMartian]

Stop means stop. Imagine that. Definitely not Californians who cant function without breaking the law. The whole state needs to be given back to Mexico.

[@itsrandolphbischhh6592]

"Adult kid" wtf is that 😂

[@JebusHypocristosX]

A child that is over 18 years in age, try to keep up.

[@charkswitlazers]

How is it hurting your credit rating when your social isnt exposed? How are they getting this information?

[@ivandragomiloff2356]

Doing a California roll will get you fined…ok Stealing from stores, rioting, burning stuff down, looting, taking and selling drugs, squatting, blocking traffic to protests…will yield no consequences Gotcha

[@benbazy9238]

You have the right to go to court on this. If you do, MRCA will not go and the case will be dismissed because in this civil statute they are not entitled to legal fees even if they win so they will not spend $900 to get $100.

[@pattilemonhouse7911]

Friend of mine contested an actual ticket for not coming to a complete stop. She had no lawyer, just another friend/witness who was in the passenger seat. On the stand the LEO said her stop wasn't long enough. Judge threw it out. The law doesn't state how long you are supposed to be stopped. Folks should contest tickets more often.

[@letmein218]

rookie cop? didn't stop vs stop wasn't long enough...

[@WolfDShadow]

Except the tickets this scam is issuing never are registered to the courts so no way to fight them infront of a judge unless you file a lawsuit against the company since they instead send collection agencies after to to damage your credit score in order to make sure you pay them the bogus tickets.

[@randomcommenter395]

@@letmein218more like corrupt money hungry cop hoping they wouldn’t contest the ticket

[@thumperjdm]

Demand a court trial.

[@highenergyonlyyy]

i thought they was talking about sushi

[@laserbeamdaddy]

They can keep on hoping, hold your breath. Even the perpetrators of the scam aren't even following their won rules with that truck rolling rolling rolling

[@SeeBS2]

Install front and rear cameras, come to complete stops at all stop signs, and REMOVE their authority over you. You'll also become a better and safer driver.

[@thegreenpickel]

I've been rear ended doing this.

[@SeeBS2]

@@thegreenpickel A rear camera would be a true asset in that case.

[@Darknesssleeps]

Illegal and cannot be enforced. This opens up a huge problem with private companies being able to issue tickets on their lots. They need to be sued.

[@bobbymoss6160]

Yes, you can get a traffic ticket for not stopping at a stop sign.

[@Squawking_Squatcher]

Agreed, but they don't seem to legitimately have the authority to fine people. Turn the info over to the cops and let them handle it.

[@mhaas281]

​@@Squawking_Squatcherwho says they don't have the authority?

[@Squawking_Squatcher]

@@mhaas281 If they had the authority there would be legitimate penalties resulting in more than mere credit issues. There would be legal penalties. Points against their driver's licenses, citations by police organizations, etc.

[@mhaas281]

@@Squawking_Squatcher how do you figure there would be legal penalties? Who is to say? Let the courts decide.

[@Squawking_Squatcher]

@@mhaas281 But, that's the whole point. The courts are not involved in this. If people don't pay the fines after receiving notifications in the mail, their credit is impacted. They are not given the opportunity to fight it in court because these are not legal authorities issuing the fines. The recipients of these tickets must sue in court over the fines. Ergo, it's a money-making scam. If they had the authority to issue fines then those being ticketed would have the option of fighting the ticket in court. They do not. They are forced to wait until after their credit has been impacted.

[@VNtheOnly]

A lot of people are mad not following the law

[@alS900]

The ppl who create the laws don’t even follow them

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

Safety concerns with a stop sign that has virtually no pedestrian traffic and very little traffic.

[@ribstogo12]

There's a sidewalk there.. and the video even shows a pedestrian walking their dog

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

@@ribstogo12 I said virtually no pedestrian traffic. The definition literally means “nearly/ almost.” Usually such exercises are conducted on busy streets where heavy foot traffic and road traffic is present.

[@ribstogo12]

@@timothya.olmeda7299 I guess everyone rolling the stop will just have to get lucky then? If there's ANY chance of pedestrians, you better stop!

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

@@ribstogo12 When did I claim that no one should stop at a stop sign? I’ve been driving a motor vehicle for 38 years now, I know traffic laws and obey them, with no infractions. My op was directed towards the fact that they chose a place where nothing happens anyways, instead of a place that has more traffic incidents and is more dangerous to pedestrians and motorists. This isn’t rocket science here.

[@YodatheHobbit]

That's the ENTIRE POINT of having it there. So that the rare instance when a person DOES CROSS happens, they don't end up dead.

[@shawnquinn9534]

I wrote a blog post about this back in 2013... I can't believe the MRCA is still at it. Honestly, most stop signs in the US should likely be replaced with yield signs, even in places like this, like they do in e.g. most of Europe. It's so obvious to me this is for revenue, not safety, and I'm glad the laws in Texas were changed to ban photographic enforcement of traffic laws.

[@JL-rd5gn]

... or they could just come to a full stop

[@collinsmuerte]

Right? Nobody knows how to drive safe & properly anymore.

[@windowbreezes]

yeah, its not a cool trend. just a bad habit “busy” Cali folks do.

[@thefox47545]

And drive under the maximum speed limit 100% of the time. I'm SO SURE you do that. I'm sure you've never been not even a fraction of a mph over the speed limit, ever, right? Right? Of course, because if you have you'd be a criminal according to the letter of the law and you would have turned yourself in since you're such a perfect citizen.

[@WolfDShadow]

​@@thefox47545you are spamming that reply yet do you realize if you are driving under the speed limit you can also be ticketed for obstructing the flow of traffic?

[@ytr3488]

​@@collinsmuertelol projecting much?

[@VrkPeru-nw2uv]

What a scam! Go make a honest living instead of scamming people like this.

[@popeyesailorman911]

Enforcing CA roll but what about Homeless camps, RVs, etc

[@popcorn5130]

Aaaah, you're a "but what about..." type of Karen, I see.

[@js83]

Let's hope the Supreme Court makes the right decision(look it up on Google) regarding homeless so all that crap can finally be cleaned.

[@GMV8KSA]

@@popcorn5130 Aaaah, you're a "take my money gov., but don't help ppl in need" type of Karen, I see.

[@alfredocalderon8994]

Did she say”hoping you will pay the fine?” Meaning they can’t actually enforce it? Lol

[@nannerz1994]

I don't quite understand why states feel like they pioneered the rolling stop😂 literally all 50 states and every single country on earth does this.

[@Keith_from_LBC]

It's quite possible that it's called a "California Roll" when it occurs in the state of California. 🤔

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

I bet no states and no single country passes their driving test doing this.

[@tonyli2918]

@@foxtrotwolf6081 Most other countries have yield signs instead, aka, 'rolling stop'

[@ZENDEL-xs2lj]

I thought we called it the 'Hollywood Stop'😂😂😂😂

[@ronwade2206]

Here in Arizona we call that a New Jersey stop.

[@Bryan-od7nv]

The rest of the world knows it as a rolling stop. Not sure why it’s being named after states.

[@collinsmuerte]

Nope, people call it the California stop here

[@suhtangwong]

New law: Every driver who goes 1mph over speed limit should go to jail! Well, there goes every cop and the entire city....

[@joanndavis4843]

The rolling stoppers know they are on camera, continue to roll anyway, get park citations, and keep on doing the same thing over and over again. Why don't they just comply with the stop sign? Because they just don't want to? Well, the park just doesn't want to stop catching them on camera either. If the rollers are complaining about the money going to the park, stop at the stop signs people! Save yourself some money and get some sense. All this rolling business only causes accidents, injures pedestrians, and raises EVERYONE'S auto insurance. Seriously, reckless driving in parking lots! It's like some drivers drive good only one day in their life. And that day is just to get a license. Proof that they do know better.

[@soulassassin0g]

I find it funny how the guy said it looked a citation disguised as junk mail lol

[@benx6264]

honestly I see absolutely no problem with this. Don't want to pay the fine. don't roll through the stop sign. Pretty simple.

[@YodatheHobbit]

FINALLY, a person who actually paid attention in Drivers Ed and DESERVES their license.

[@ethernet01]

this is a textbook scam

[@johnrambo1349]

You must stop and wait 3 seconds b4 going. Rolling stop is the same as running a stop sign. Pay the price or stop at a stop sign. Smh

[@sang7349]

About time.. Cali drivers increasingly don’t even obey traffic laws these days - running through red lights, no left turn signals on crossroads, cutting on the left side from crossroads, etc. cops don’t do a damn thing

[@wendellburks6546]

Failing to stop at a stop sign is a traffic offense. No such thing as a rolling stop, you either stop or you don’t.

[@chumblesthecheese8580]

This Karen situation is getting completely out of control.

[@popcorn5130]

Yes, too many Karens whining about having to obey traffic laws.

[@sonny5982]

Californians are the best drivers in the country we deserve to be able to do our California roll

[@maryfair2500]

When I was a child growing up in California it was known as a “Boulevard Stop”.

[@garyhenderson7334]

He did know he was being filmed because it was on the stop sign. Also I love that he is more worried about his son being in trouble rather than taking him to task for being a crappy driver.

[@thefox47545]

You haven't heard of the "spirit of the law," have you? Probably not, no need to because I'm sure you are just the perfect driver, have not even gone a fraction of a mph over the speed limit, ever, right? Right?

[@garyhenderson7334]

@@thefox47545 I am 52 years old and have only had one ticket and that was because the meter ran out. Driving is a big responsibility that a lot of folks do not take seriously enough.

[@thefox47545]

@garyhenderson7334 So you've NEVER gone over the speed limit? Or just never been caught? Same concept applies here. People do the cali stop all the time, especially when there's no one around. So much so that if we got ticketed for every infraction, we'd all be poor. What MRCA is doing is cashing in on that rather than doing it for safety, that's too obvious. I'm 40 and I've only had one ticket too, but thanks to the spirit of the law it would have been much much higher, and I'm sure it would have been much higher for you too.

[@Phlegethon]

Good people who run stop signs cause serious accidents