Cavour | The multi-purpose aircraft carrier of the Italian Navy

[@WeaponDetective]

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[@dannyzero692]

Italy has a very strong navy for its size, their shipbuilding infrastructure is very famous for constructing many cruise ships, if you see a cruise ship there’s a good chance it is built in Italy. They also manufacture naval components and aircrafts through OTO Melara and AgustaWestland which explains why they can operate carriers despite being in the middle of the Mediterranean.

[@lucaiervasi8515]

in reality italy produces practically everything a ship needs internally. yes, it is true, many cruise ships are built here, but offshore ships and warships are also built here. fincantieri is the largest shipbuilding company in europe and the fourth in the world. returning to warships, they are entirely designed and built in italy or in shipyards around the world owned by fincantieri. as for weapons and sensors, these are also developed in italy by leonardo or by european companies formed by leonardo with other large european defense companies, such as mbda etc. fincantieri has also designed and is building the new constellation class frigates for the united states. contrary to popular belief, the italian fleet does not operate only in the mediterranean, but italy has several national interests outside the mediterranean, and being one of the most powerful fleets available to the european union and nato, it operates everywhere. The fleet is currently deployed in South Africa, the Horn of Africa, the Red Sea, the North Sea and the Indo-Pacific. For example, the ship Cavour is currently stationed in Guam. From there the unit operates throughout the Indo-Pacific, ranging from Australia to Japan and moves escorted by Italian and American units. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpacgnqjos98jtU

[@stefanomaurizi7528]

E fra pochi anni avranno una portaerei come quelle americane una catobar per intenderci

[@stefanomaurizi7528]

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[@piter6076]

​@stefanomaurizi7528 altre stronzate?

[@minotaurus91]

@@stefanomaurizi7528 E questa dove l'hai sentita? Io non so di nessuna portaerei attualmente in progettazione da parte della nostra marina...

[@drscopeify]

36 fighter jets (if needed) is pretty amazing for such a small carrier, very good design.

[@sibbolo9204]

plus they are F-35 stealth F/A, it's a great asset for a small country like italy have such weapon

[@sibbolo9204]

@@valerianocuomo996 and did you believe we are a super military power? Especially our Aeronautica Militare lack heavily in number of effective and operative jets, better don't talk about army MBT, only the Marina militare makes a good job to stay updated and high in number.

[@a.b.6233]

@@valerianocuomo996 La Francia non è sul Mediterraneo?

[@valerianocuomo996]

@@a.b.6233 perché fate di tutto per sminuire l,Italia? La Francia ha la nostra stessa merda ma per loro è profumato. BooH

[@andreasankara]

@@valerianocuomo996Come no!....solo l'economia Francese è una volta e mezza la nostra.

[@zhint9355]

Glory to the Italian Navy! Love and respect from Switzerland. Europe Strong!

[@squirepraggerstope3591]

Cavour is a beautiful ship as well as a very effective design. Hopefully, before too long we'll see her and/or the new "Trieste" operating with HMS Prince Of Wales while the latter transits through the Med. during her projected 2025 eastern deployment.

[@VectorGhost]

idk about effective

[@Crissy_the_wonder]

A very good looking ship

[@wiktorberski9272]

Interesting and quite versatile design. And looks really nice

[@joshflugel]

One of the very elite carriers that flies F35Bs.

[@hydrophobicです]

In 2010 my father left for Haiti for the White Crane humanitarian mission, as an anesthetist. I had the opportunity to visit the ship with him at the age of 5 but I still remember, truly an amazing ship

[@dayros2023]

Very interesting ship, thanks for the video.

[@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P]

Again..... 'Weap Detective'.... You did a Great Job in showing this posting of the Italian A/C Cavour!! I am glad you explained ALL Aspects of why and what they use this ship for, not all non-military people understand that A/C CAN perform in "humanitarian assistance". It is too bad that they don't have a second carrier of similar design, but I guess that is what Trieste is for. Do you have a video/posting of Trieste??

[@WeaponDetective]

We will make a video about Trieste.

[@ninodhoylehermosura9815]

Ave SPQR! Greetings From Caesar! AND he Would Be Proud of This Genereation.. 😎👍🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@danielloustaunau467]

Cavour is a beast💪

[@cesarvidelac]

Like the design philosophy, it's a Swiss army knife of carriers. Great video, thanks for sharing!

[@TURKOPOL46]

Beauty italian ship

[@captaindouchebag1703]

Once again, I admire the Italian Navy for going their own way. They produce excellent ships for their own needs, that might one day maybe be exported for other Navies with similar needs. Good on Italy for creating their own pathway.

[@JasonWolfeYT]

The RoRo is the best part. That has the quarter the sortie preparation time in port.

[@massimobernardo-]

LHD Trieste is bigger, and it's coming...

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Pretty close to being done with sea trials right? It has a well deck as well right?

[@admiralmallard7500]

​@deanfirnatine7814 Had some issues last year but should be commissioning this year I presume? Also yes its bigger but it's hangar capacity is similar to that of Cavours because obviously it also needs the facilities for its amphibious role

[@alessandrocolombero-6920]

La trieste non entrerà la regaliamo a qualche altra marina

[@nicowrathz2243]

Ti regaliamo volentieri a te

[@minotaurus91]

@@alessandrocolombero-6920 Scusa, dicevi?

[@fargneta]

Good work..!!!

[@Crimerenegade]

8:34 This comfort does not apply to the Marines... As everywhere in the world the "Crayon Chewers" are getting the short end of the stick

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

Another wonderful introducing video about Italian multipurpose aircraft's carrier( cavour) .it's characteristics and historical backgrounds...video shared by an amazing (weapon detective 🕵️‍♂️ )channel....thanks for sharing

[@BritishFreedom]

A Carrier is only as good as the Jets it harbours. The Cavour carriers the F35s and we know from Isreals srtrikes against Iran back in October they can beat the Radar on the best Russian Anti-Air systems. I don't know how good the accompanying fleet is that would sail with the Cavour, but if the Italians get that right then this is a very strong setup.

[@ChloeKruegerSenpai]

I like how Italy starts building Carriers after WWII and start on Post War (before Cold War). Meanwhile in Germany, Never learns to build at least one Carrier for its Support, cause Submarines are enough for them juat like Russia.

[@erosgritti5171]

In fact, Germany and Italy cannot build aircraft carriers, according to international treaties, because of the Second World War. In fact, that is not classified as an aircraft carrier but as a helicopter carrier. The difference is that we Italians know how to get around the rules, while the Germans are rigorous in this.

[@fury4539]

This is what the royal navy should have done, maybe make 4 of them... Instead of 2 average-big lumbering malfunctioning tug boats... Edit: the UK imho shouldn't have gone for two huge ships, but for a more significant number of ships like the Italian TRIESTE carrier... Now it's too late and most importantly, what do I know... I'm just a teenager...

[@admiralmallard7500]

Why are they average? The Qnlz class exceeds in carrier capability compared to the Cavour class. And Trieste is an LHD, that is not what the CVF program was aiming to procure so that was never going to happen. Also there is no point in have more capital vessels when escort numbers decrease, means you're deploying expensive vessels without escort.

[@snowyowl7413]

Please name a new design of ship that hasn’t had issues in its first few years. The QE class is expected to stay for at least 50 years plenty of time to fix any issues.

[@denismugerin]

@@snowyowl7413 Exactly: Ford and Charles de Gaulle carriers have had their own mechanical issues too.

[@andrewcombe8907]

One would think that a multi functional ship like this is the way to go for mid - smaller navies. The QE class of carriers for the RN seem to be a boondoggle with limited capacity. A combination LHD, aircraft carrier and marine amphibious assault ship is expected.

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

🤣 Are you a UK citizen? Just what issue do you have with the QE's?

[@deanfirnatine7814]

I seriously doubt they will go through with the retirement of the Garibaldi considering the world's situation on the edge of WW3, better to have three carriers than two when Trieste is commissioned.

[@admiralmallard7500]

Its already confirmed. Its becoming a mobile space launch platform. Italy doesn't have the escorts or aircraft to make use of a third carrier

[@valerianocuomo996]

​@@admiralmallard7500apart from America and China, no one has the means for three aircraft carriers, the UK is having many logistical and manpower difficulties for 2 aircraft carriers, not to mention their presumption, too large for a medium-high power, Italy, France and the UK HAVE more or less the same GDP and the same international interests, the USA DOESN'T NEED THE BRITISH TO FOLLOW THEM LIKE DOGS IN THE BOMBING OF THE HOUTI, Afghanistan, Iraq, they got their hands dirty in blood just for prestige...pathetic BRITISH

[@67claudius]

The Garibaldi is not able to embark the new F35Bs so it does not seem to make sense to keep an aircraft carrier that will be without embarked aircraft

[@67claudius]

@@admiralmallard7500 It is not at all confirmed that Garibaldi will become a mobile space launch platform. The only certain thing is that the Garibaldi will be decommissioned in october

[@admiralmallard7500]

@@67claudius Fair enough, it's just the one thing I've heard that might be done with it after decom

[@HansPeters1234]

Aster 15 Range is not 13 km. Thats its flight altitude.

[@valerianocuomo996]

30km range

[@rossorlandi5173]

Thought that! Wouldn't give you much time to respond to a threat!

[@jizimain9822]

How with Girabaldi??

[@hawkertyphoon4537]

36 top notch jets and ramps to roll on roll off. Not bad, Italy, Not bad!

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

Top notch? Only if they're all F-35B's. Which they aren't.

[@thehunter6321]

Actually they are ​@@Rjsjrjsjrjsj

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

@@thehunter6321 Actually, they aren't. Italy doesn't even have 36 F35B's. 🙄

[@thehunter6321]

@@Rjsjrjsjrjsj Italy currently has 30 F-35B's plus 10 more are being bought in the next year. They also have 60 F-35A's plus another 15 coming soon, raising the fleet to 115 F-35's

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

@@thehunter6321 Thanks for confirming EXACTLY what I wrote. 🙄

[@guillaumefigarella1704]

Why is there Aster missiles on both Cavour and De Gaulle but not on the Queen and Prince? I totally understand that the escort fleet is supposed to take care of missile defense but why fit the Aster on the comparatively smaller ships but not on the newer bigger QE class? The Trieste which is much bigger kinda Charles de Gaulle sized and the current PANG plan which is huge will also have VLS so it seem to be a british thing? But it does have pretty good CIWS too, is it because the French and Italian are a bit short on total VLS count so they put a few here and there? Thank you

[@trotamarmorata2673]

But ???..Is Better You have missiles ???...or dont'have missiles???

[@admiralmallard7500]

Well its partly a cost thing. Theres also side effects of vls on carriers like delaying flight ops due to the debris from a launch but to field 2 larger carriers there were some cost compromises. France chooses to go all in on 1 carrier so alot more is spent on it, and Italy is procuring 1 carrier after another with more than a decade between them so costs are spread out. Equally the new Italian carrier doesnt have VLS installed due to cost, though it has the option.

[@guillaumefigarella1704]

@@admiralmallard7500 Thank you for your answer, what seems weird is that we french seems to skimp on VLS a lot which is infuriating, the lafayette class never did get its vls, same for the mistral class lhd, FDI, brand new entirely french design, 16 vls for the french units, 32 for the greek ones, but they still decided to fit some to CDG which just like the Mistral probably doesnt really need it? Anyway thank you

[@admiralmallard7500]

@guillaumefigarella1704 Didn't know the mistral had the option, intresting.

[@guillaumefigarella1704]

@@admiralmallard7500 they are fitting the Rapid Fire turret on the 16 VLS emplacement, it's a navalized 40mm CTC for CIWS use, basically what's on the Jaguar and Ajax

[@habahan4257]

Very informative video. Thanks. The motto of some armed forces in NATO is "assurance in friends, fear in foes". Even though the Italians have good equipment, a common joke for the Italian Armed Forces is "concern in friends, joy in foes".

[@AlbertoZge]

@habahan4257 Hai confermato che la madre degli imbecilli è sempre incinta

[@flaviozandiri5660]

Sono italiano e questa battuta non l'ho mai sentita

[@lokibau]

i though that nato motto was america in, russia out, germany under

[@3pleblow]

This ship aged like fine wine.

[@kaiwei9901]

Lol

[@lars4953]

"The first cold war" Never heard that expression before.

[@gawkthimm6030]

its a modern term most used in geopolitical videos, with regards to western vs Russia-China trade wars, US companies pulling out of China due to tarifs, sanctions, etc and the Ukraine conflict 2014 to 2022 and now invasion being the beginning of a new cold-war, western Democracies + japan and south korea vs Authoritarian regimens

[@lars4953]

@@gawkthimm6030 u mean western authoritarian regimes... Oh no, they all just puppets on this big show...

[@lars4953]

@@gawkthimm6030 Oh, my answer got blocked...

[@frederickj.pereira3591]

Suitable for the Malaysian Navy

[@yassenmahmoud3379]

I recommend making a video on some Egyptian weapons like Fahd APC and HA-300 the first Egyptian fighter jet

[@LeonardoUgoliniSANDSCULPTOR]

👍

[@thomasg4324]

*Designing a carrier with "humanitarian missions" in mind is a symptom of a dying country.*

[@danieleborsari6394]

He...go fire...

[@kurtwicklund8901]

This sounds like the Swiss Army Knife of aircraft carriers. Is she really a covert Swiss Navy vessel?

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

🙄 The US LHD/LHA's are much more capable.

[@joash480]

cool

[@dondouglass6415]

Very well thought through concept... UK should have gone for 4 or even three similar ships.. Huzzah!!! 😊

[@admiralmallard7500]

Why? It's not what we needed or wanted. And CVF was well under way by the time cavour was in build.

[@SnakePliskin762]

A version more akin to trieste would've been more cost effective than our carriers.

[@admiralmallard7500]

@SnakePliskin762 In what world does that happen though. Its fantasy fleets because it was never even in the though process. Also, Trieste is and LHD, is loses speed and fuel capacity because of that as well as being smaller. So that doesn't really make it "cost effective", it makes it cheaper because its doing a different role and its doing less of what we need it to

[@SnakePliskin762]

@@admiralmallard7500 A larger version of the trieste aroubd 45k tons would've been very effective and cheaper to the tax payer rather than two 65k we struggle to keep manned,working and with enough aircraft to deploy plus cheaper to build and enable the possible retirement of the Albion class when that comes round. Hence why i said 'wish'.

[@admiralmallard7500]

@SnakePliskin762 Very effective for what? Certainly not for carrier power projection with their small air wing and smaller storage And yes, we don't have enough aircraft currently, but it's better to have room to expand than none at all. Also that would be even worse if we retired the Albions without replacement and then expected out carriers to do double duty as amphibs as well

[@DavidOlver]

Australia should build two of them

[@admiralmallard7500]

They already have the canberra class

[@DavidOlver]

@@admiralmallard7500 and

[@DavidOlver]

@@admiralmallard7500 the Canberras could be carriers but there not. two of them would and could be a cheep way for us to have carriers

[@admiralmallard7500]

@DavidOlver Austrlia has the Canberras, they don't have the funds for 2 carriers (they would not be cheap) on top of that or the manpower. Let alone the aircraft

[@DavidOlver]

@@admiralmallard7500 i understand what you are saying the world is going through the same thing ship builders are solving this problem with AI and so on. most personnel who have left is cos of no jab no work. and being sick of the hive mind set if the .gov gave up on the woke and the jab and respect would return to our government then more people would join

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

the Italian Navy should convert the Cavour (R550) from a STOVL to a CATOBAR aircraft carrier . . . all they've to do is replace the existing flight deck with a new 100% straight & flat flight deck, from bow-to-stern & port-to-starboard . . . integration of the electro-magnetic catapult launch system in the forward bow section flight deck & arrestor wires at the aft stern section flight deck . . . besides NATOs tactical inter-operability guidelines warrants commonality among NATO member country's defense capabilities . . . a straight & flat CATOBAR flight deck will enable the Cavour (R550) to operate the navalized carrier borne F-35C Lightning II (Block IV) multi role fighter interceptor of the U.S. Navy in addition to the existing carrier borne F-35B VTOL Lightning II maritime multi role fighter interceptor . . . the carrier borne F-35B Lightning II VTOL maritime multi role fighter interceptor doesn't necessarily need a ski-jump to take off with a full fuel & weapons load . . . a fully armed & fuelled carrier borne F-35B Lightning II VTOL maritime multi role fighter interceptor operating from straight & flat flight decks of the new America class 46,320 ton non-amphibious (STOL) LHA can take off & land to & from the flight deck without any assist whatsoever . . . a straight & flat CATOBAR flight deck will render the Cavour (R550) with additional capabilities otherwise not possible in a STOVL carrier . . . plain & simple . . .

[@admiralmallard7500]

Its way too small for Catobar, and Italy cannot afford F35C as well as the F35s its already getting so it would be pointless.

[@AaaBbb-ff1pn]

what people underestimate is the group number that a catobar system should sustain. at least 40/50 jet are needed to take full advantage of catobar system. on plus ship should run in fast dash to keep launching and recovery plane. that takes its toll on fuel reserve and you need to keep constantly top the fuel. catobar high cost is not only related to the system cost,but share on the "eco-system" that it sustain. on plus an angle deck is needed for safely operate the aircraft. that gonna change infrastructure of the ship while worsening her performance. you need a heavier class and more costly

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

@@AaaBbb-ff1pn on close observation the Cavour (R550) doesn't need to replace it's entire flight deck if converting to CATOBAR . . . because Cavour (R550) already has a straight & flat flight deck . . . just need to remove the 12.0° deg angled ski-jump in the forward most bow section of the flight deck & replace it with a straight & flat flight deck section . . . the 12.0° deg ski-jump was a retrofit but a provision for the retrofitted ski-jump was already there in the design . . . by the way a CATOBAR aircraft carrier doesn't need to have an angled flight deck just bcos it's a CATOBAR aircraft carrier . . . the need for an angled deck is something that is determined by the operator of the carrier strike group . . . based on sortie rates, type of carrier borne fixed-wing fighter jets & helos being operated on a CATOBAR aircraft carrier & virtues of naval aviation (necessity) . . .

[@AaaBbb-ff1pn]

@@chandrachurniyogi8394 angle deck is mandatory for safe operation of catobar and for ensure takeoff and landing at the same time. you can have catovl if catapult improve payload on takeoff, but then you have to be sure that aircraft can land vertically with unused payload,otherwise they have to jettinson weight everytime they have to land. as you can see there's a reason for stovl.

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

@@AaaBbb-ff1pn ur right in some aspects, totally agree with you . . . STOVL aircraft carrier are operated by navies for whom ship borne naval aviation primarily revolves around providing very specific air support . . . for e.g. the Royal Navy shifted from fully capable CATOBAR to STOVL carrier in the early 1980s & regrets that decision till date . . . one main reason for the switch to STOVL by the RN was Great Britain's dwindling economy . . . if possible I'd strongly recommend that you read about the 1983 Falklands War with Argentina & how the RN deployed it's STOVL carrier strike group in the South Atlantic . . . the challenges it faced due to a STOVL carrier's severely limited capabilities . . . to make matters worse the naval carrier borne Sea Harrier GR2 VTOL multi role all weather fighter had limited range & was subsonic . . . it couldn't take off with a full tank of gas & 100% weapons load even with the help of the ski-jump in the forward flight deck . . . India's very first carrier INS Vikrant (R11) was a CATOBAR aircraft carrier & it's naval air arm operated carrier borne Sea Hawk Mk 102 (FGA6) multi role ground attack fighter . . . in the 1980s Indian Navy retrofitted INS Vikrant (R11) with a ski-jump in the forward most bow section of the flight deck thus converting it into a STOVL carrier . . . as a result the steam catapult launch system had to be removed . . . this was done in order to operate the new navalized carrier borne Sea Harrier FRS.1 VTOL multi role all weather fighter that required a ski-jump for take off . . . in 1983 the carrier borne Sea Harrier FRS.51 VTOL multi role all weather fighter replaced the aging carrier borne Sea Hawk Mk 102 (FGA6) multi role ground attack fighter of the Indian Navy from the early 1960s . . .

[@Dragonman1OOO]

Why does Italy not build a large conventional carrier? It's borders are like what, 70% of seashore. Even if it would be not as big as an American carrier, but defending such a large shoreline would need at least 1 conventional carrier, just like how France is doing it.

[@AlFreeman-xy4jy]

Geography makes Italy a huge aircraft carrier. Its aircraft can arrive in all the Mediterranean states and return without any problems, so there is no need for CATOBAR. Furthermore, F35 Cs are not exported, navalised Rafale aircraft would also have to be bought.

[@Dragonman1OOO]

@@AlFreeman-xy4jy But it would give Italy a big prestige capable of building such a vessel! And a message to anyone that they could send a large strike force anywhere if needed!

[@AlFreeman-xy4jy]

@@Dragonman1OOO Danno un sacco di problemi, e chi li ha si lamenta che passano più tempo in bacino in avaria che sul mare, specialmente la catapulta che diminuisce la vita utile di costosissimi aerei. Con il Cavour e il Trieste con 15 F35B ciascuno per il Mediterraneo siamo a posto. E' prevista una LHD in futuro con propulsione nucleare, ma non credo che la costruiranno. Attualmente il Cavour è in viaggio verso il Giappone con il suo gruppo.

[@panterone1769]

La portaerei francese è rimasta ferma per tre anni! Essendo l'unica per gli enormi costi, è una cosa inammissibile per una marina moderna.

[@solinvictus1234]

Due politics and Constitution. Italy based on his constitution and the post WWII restrictions of the allies, couldn't have builded huge carriers.

[@DimasFajar-ns4vb]

squid fishing boat is amazing sir

[@danielefabbro822]

It's possible that Cavour will be sold to foreign countries after being decommissioned. Something tells me that it will become an Ukrainian ship sometimes in the near future... 😑 I mean it's a good thing but also sad. This ship served the Republic rrally well. I hoped they would have kept it as museum ship. But good ships have no time to rest.

[@admiralmallard7500]

You're thinking of Gabraldi, also Ukraine doesn't need a carrier

[@danielefabbro822]

@@admiralmallard7500 well technically it's not a carrier my friend. You know Ukrainians needs weapons, especially after this war. We Italians already supports them with tons of weaponry. But sure, a carrier maybe will be too much. And there could be others interested. We will see the demands.

[@admiralmallard7500]

@@danielefabbro822 I more mean they don't need a carrier as their main naval frontier of the Black sea is far too small to require one, land based aircraft can reach any part of it, and a carrier in such an enclosed environment is likely to be destroyed

[@danielefabbro822]

@@admiralmallard7500 oh, it will be the same error we Italians did during ww2. "We don't need a carrier, Italy is a carrier per sé"... then Air Force and Navy didn't cooperated at all and our Navy was screwed by British air superiority based on carriers. No, even if limited, you must have at least a minimum amount of naval-based air power or you just admit a submissive role against other powers like Russia or Turkey.

[@admiralmallard7500]

@danielefabbro822 Ukraine doesn't operate outside the Black sea, they can use their airbases to strike any ship within the black sea meanwhile

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

🤣 Italian Aircraft Carrier That's funny. 😉👍

[@erdiakarsu4945]

Why build different LHDs, just build new Cavour class ships to lower average maintenance cost. Then use them as LHDs. It's like Italy didn't like Cavour that much. C1 Ariete of carriers I guess.

[@admiralmallard7500]

Well Cavour isnt really an LHD, Trieste will act both as a carrier and amphibious assualt ship as it has a well dock.

[@tommasogubiani3768]

They built Trieste because is faster, bigger and can complement Cavour in the LHD missions whilr still beeing capable of performing ais operations.

[@lucaiervasi8515]

ITS Cavour is not a LHD, but a CVH, the ship does not have a floodable dock and its role is focused on the air component. the cargo area was inserted only to make the ship multi-role so as to circumvent the restrictions present in the constitution. ITS Trieste is a LHD V/STOL. the unit has a floodable dock and its target is focused on the amphibious assault, the ship has air capabilities, but they are inferior to those of the Cavour ship. in essence, the two classes of ships have nothing to do with each other.

[@lokibau]

@@lucaiervasi8515 ma quali "restrictions present in the constitution"? Ma che stai a di?

[@lucaiervasi8515]

@@lokibau io so benissimo di cosa parlo, sei tu che molto porobabbilmente cadi dal pero. l'italia non ha armi di attacco a lungo raggio, la marina militare non dispone di missili da crocera a lungo raggio e non può costruire armi puramente d'offesa. articolo 11 della costituzione. quando e stata varata la Garibaldi e stata registrata come incrociatore tuttoponte e non come portaerei leggera ( cosa che di fatto è) il Cavour e stato impostato come unità multiruolo, le nuove PPA ( pattugliatori polivalenti d'altura) hai mai visto un pattugliatore di 143 metri e 6200 tonnellate di dislocamento? no, non lo hai mai visto, perchè non esiste. anche in altri campi come l'esercito vengono adottate questi criteri, ad esempio, l'italia dispone di un elicottero d'attacco, ma e l'unico elicottero d'attacco al mondo a non essere registrato come tale, infatto e registrato come elicottero di ricerca ed esplorazione. perchè registrare equipaggiamenti per quello che in realtà non sono? per il semplice motivo che in parlamento basta che un solo deputato presenti formale opposizione dicendo che quel determinato equipaggiamento viola la costituzione e questo viene subito rigettato anche se i restati 399 parlamentari votano a favore. io so benissimo cosa dico

[@glenjohnson9302]

Its so funny that Italy can do a better job at this then Russia. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@matovicmmilan]

Making ice cream?

[@kurtwicklund8901]

That is a pretty low bar to clear.

[@solinvictus1234]

@@matovicmmilan Also that, but mostly Italy will not have his fleet entirely destroyed by some sea drones, as Russia did.

[@matovicmmilan]

@@solinvictus1234 Check again how many ships claimed by Ukraine to be destroyed are fully functional and whether even the number of the allegedly destroyed ones come anything close to "the entire fleet". On the other hand I have seen Italy taking part in anything resembling a war let alone winning in one for quite a long time.

[@solinvictus1234]

@@matovicmmilan "I have seen Italy taking part in anything resembling a war" yeah right? First Iraq war, second Iraq war, Afghanistan, Sahel, Niger, Balkan wars etc etc etc. You're a little bit confused, little Sasha.

[@carliguercia9328]

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[@Dioporco-r3c]

Poveretto...manca quella arcobaleno 🌈

[@yarmud]

Q: does it worth all that debt over allready enormous debt

[@asganaway]

been shipbulding one of the most prolific industry in Italy and been that except the F35 almost all the major systems are made in Italy, I would assume that of the money spent there meny came back as taxes, gpt and technology progresses, while the other options is to close the shipyard and pay unemployment to the workers.. that potentially cost more than the ship.. so I'm not an expert.. but give it a thought..

[@giuseppedanieli7878]

Yeah...that ship, with F35 are the reason why my retirement jump from 60 to 67 age.

[@rienkhoek4169]

Our retirement age went up from 65 to 67 and we don't have a carrier... People live a lot longer than 50 years ago.

[@Kevin_Patrick001]

The second cold war you say. This never had to happen. If the US hadn't told Russia that it would make Ukraine Nato and station nuclear weapons there then there would never have been this conflict.

[@mementomori7825]

Hahahahahaha.. Oh wait, you're serious. let me laugh harder. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@Kevin_Patrick001]

@@mementomori7825 Hahahahaha

[@AlbertoZge]

@KC98561 Are you comrade, a Putrid propagandist?

[@CROM-on1bz]

Until Russian aggression there was no question of Ukraine's integration into NATO and even less of nuclear weapons on its soil. Ukraine did not even meet the standards required for entry into the European Union. We'll have to stop listening to the nonsense on Radio Moscow.

[@Kevin_Patrick001]

@@CROM-on1bz No, This was reported in the New York times before the war between Blinken and Lavrov where Blinken told Lavrov that there would be a push to make Ukraine a Nato member. Within 2 months Russia invaded Ukraine.

[@allanrichts7620]

😂What is the point🤷🏻‍♂🤦🏻

[@Xxxx-d4z]

AIRCRAFT CARRIERS ARE BECOMING OBSOLETE BECAUSE OF THE PROLIFICATION OF DRONES.

[@admiralmallard7500]

They're not though

[@CROM-on1bz]

27,000 tonnes? can we really talk about aircraft carriers? -With only 8 old Harriers and a few helicopters, it's a bit pompous to talk about an aircraft carrier. -Without wanting to offend anyone.

[@trotamarmorata2673]

First dont'liar.. Cavour Is 29800 ton. and where Is the problem??? For second have in service 16 Harriers till final 2024,now have in service 6 F35B of the marina militare and 2 F35B of aereonautica militare....what are you saying??!...what is your problem???

[@askallois]

There are also 6 F35Bs which will be 15 at the end of the programme, plus another 15 for the Trieste. With no offence to anyone, there are few countries that have the capacity to build and maintain 3 aircraft carriers with F35Bs, although the Garibaldi will be decommissioned in October, but it can be used as a drone and helicopter carrier if needed. Furthermore, we have no overseas territories to justify building conventional aircraft carriers, although a nuclear aircraft carrier is planned, but I do not think it will be built.

[@admiralmallard7500]

​@@askallois Isn't Gabraldi being used for something to do with space launches after retirement? It's being demilitarised though

[@askallois]

@ammiragliomallard7500 It's not so sure. It's currently in dock for major work, and on the Defence forums they say that at Navy Headquarters they're considering a change of use, given the current times. So they might change and a helicopter and drone carrier would come in handy.

[@solinvictus1234]

@@admiralmallard7500 That was the original plan, but i will not be shocked if the Military will decide to use it as drone carriers in a near future, seen the ukraine-russia war development on drones side.

[@steco8517]

This carrier sucks😂😂😂

[@extremathule982]

This carrier fuck(s)

[@carlobrotto7132]

Not at all, your chicken's small brain does...😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@trotamarmorata2673]

You sucks !!! .... Little Bird !!!

[@trotamarmorata2673]

This steco sucks.... Little bird !!!

[@jangofett5806]

The RAN should have bought 2 of these instead of this LHD from Spain Cavour is a far superior design, it’s too Bad the Trieste wasn’t on the drawing boards back then as that would have been the perfect ship for the RAN.

[@admiralmallard7500]

Australia wanted LHDs, will we’ll docks. Cavour doesn’t have one